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Col Imam executed in front of Hakimullah Mehsud

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  1. shirazi

    PESHAWAR: The Pakistani Taliban claimed on Saturday they had shot dead a retired intelligence official who once mentored their Afghan brethren and sided with the US against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    The claim contradicted Pakistani government`s assertions last month that Sultan Amir Tarar died of a heart attack while being held captive by militants in northwest part of the country. “We have killed him. We shot him,” Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan told AP via phone from an undisclosed location.

    Tarar — better known as Col Imam — once trained at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and gave personal tours of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region to US congressmen interested in supporting Afghan militiamen fighting Soviet occupation in the 1980s.

    After the Soviets withdrew in 1989, he became Pakistan`s point man with the Afghan Taliban, then seen by Islamabad as allies. He provided the movement with arms and money and was known to be close to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

    He remained publicly sympathetic to the Afghan Taliban since the movement`s downfall in 2001 in the US-led invasion, but denied any operational ties.

    He and another former intelligence official, Khalid Khawaja, accompanied a British TV journalist to Pakistan`s northwest in early 2010. Tarar and Khawaja may have felt their sympathies with militant groups would shield them from any danger, but all three were kidnapped in March. Khawaja was later killed, while the journalist was set free.

    A previously unknown militant group calling itself the Asian Tigers initially said it had seized the men. But in July, Tarar appeared in a video saying he was being held by another group and that it was demanding the release of prisoners held by the government in exchange for his release.

    Taliban spokesman Ahsan said on Saturday they shot Tarar after the government failed to meet unspecified demands by the group.

    “We repeatedly tried to convince the government. It did not listen to our demands. As a result, we killed him,” he said.

    A private news TV channel briefly aired parts of what it said was a video showing Tarar being shot. The clips included footage of Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud. However, the channel did not show the actual shooting on Saturday, saying it was too graphic to air. The authenticity of the footage could not immediately be independently verified.—AP

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/20/taliban-claim-they-shot-dead-col-imam.html

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 3:04 #
  2. shirazi

    Hameed Gul can be next one.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 3:13 #
  3. Waoow, not sure what to say about this one? It's obviously a heinous act, no matter what Col Imam did in his past but he was an elderly person with no power whatsoever. Hamid Bull must have crapped his pants, when he heard this news.

    Let's see what Taliban apologists have to say about this one?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 3:33 #
  4. shirazi

    @dell

    It's poetic justice. Col. Imam threw so many young kids in the line of fire. Now same fire has burnt him.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 3:44 #
  5. That's true, you reap what you sow and Karma sure is a b!tch!!!

    Wonder what Mullah Omar thinks of this? Col. Imam I heard was his "ustad"

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 3:48 #
  6. oneUp

    sad news

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 5:32 #
  7. Salam

    سن کو دکھ ہوا، اللہ اس کی مغفرت کرے اور درجات بلند کرے آمین

    کافی عرصے سے اس کو قید کرنے والے بار بار اپنے مطالبات منوانے کی کوشش کر رہے تھے، لیکن سرحد کی کمونسٹ حکومت نے بہتر یہی جانا کے اس بزرگ کو قربان کر دیا جائے، آخر ان سرخوں کو ابھی تک سوویت شکست ہضم نہیں ہوئی

    مطالبات پورے ہونے پر ان کے ساتھی قیدی کو چھوڑ دیا گیا تھا، تو اس سے یہی لگتا ہے کہ اس کو مروانے والے سرخے اور آئی ایس آئی تھے

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 5:45 #
  8. مطالبات پورے ہونے پر ان کے ساتھی قیدی کو چھوڑ دیا گیا تھا، تو اس سے یہی لگتا ہے کہ اس کو مروانے والے سرخے اور آئی ایس آئی تھے

    BTW:
    Let's not forget the story teller's (elaborate) stories:

    LAHORE: The Pakistani authorities investigating the March 25, 2010 abduction and subsequent murder of the former ISI official Colonel Sultan Amir Tarar, commonly known as Colonel Imam believe that the little known militant group called Asian Tigers, which had demanded $10 million and the custody of some key Afghan Taliban commanders in exchange for the release of the hostage, was actually a cover name for the Lashkar-e-Zil (LeZ), a loose alliance of al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked anti-American militia, led by the North Waziristan based Commander Ilyas Kashmiri, who also heads Brigade 313 and the Azad Kashmir chapter of the Harkatul Jehadul Islami (HUJI).

    This "according to well-informed sources in the security establishment"
    :)

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 6:23 #
  9. Salam

    right, they trapped him to get their key men out, but ISI didn't budge an inch-

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 6:37 #
  10. کافی عرصے سے اس کو قید کرنے والے بار بار اپنے مطالبات منوانے کی کوشش کر رہے تھے، لیکن سرحد کی کمونسٹ حکومت نے بہتر یہی جانا کے اس بزرگ کو قربان کر دیا جائے، آخر ان سرخوں کو ابھی تک سوویت شکست ہضم نہیں ہوئی

    مطالبات پورے ہونے پر ان کے ساتھی قیدی کو چھوڑ دیا گیا تھا، تو اس سے یہی لگتا ہے کہ اس کو مروانے والے سرخے اور آئی ایس آئی تھے

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    So this is how you are going to spin this one? Surkhay had nothing to do with this. Video mein aap daikh saktay hain Mehsud kay banday nay us ko goli mari hai, is mein surkhay kahan say aa gaye!!!

    His saathi was released when his saathi's family paid ransom to the captives. And both ISI ex-agents were killed, as you know intellegince agencies seldom or almost never negotiate on their ex members. ISI could care less about Imam and Khawajah.

    This shows how pathetic and stupid TTP is and whose hands they are playing in. Don't you think public sentiment would change now based on this video. I mean to ordinary folks, they just shot a harmless Baba ji.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:33 #
  11. Salam

    Not a spin, a genuine understanding, there is history, evidence and rational behind each of the statement

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:44 #
  12. arshad41

    lol, not too long ago when first news came of asian tigers all the establishment pithus and mullah sell outs were jumping up and down that khalid khawaja and col imam, the true warriors of islam had been kidnapped by mossad/cia/hindus.

    Mullahs and establishment pithus must be really disappointed that instead of that murderous evil kaffir kalapani super spy raymond davis executing col imam on the video, it is in fact their holy khalifah hakeemullah mehsud on the video, lol!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:51 #
  13. Salam Sahab laikin surkhay tou is kay qatal k zimaydar nahi hain. ISI ka agent tha yeh aur surkhoon ka dushman, woh kuyun isay bachanay ki koshish kertay?

    ISI had no use for Imam and surkhay were his enemies anyways, Taliban nay issay aghwa kernay ki zarorat hi kya thi. They just had to kill him to not look like idiots!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:52 #
  14. arshad41

    "Not a spin, a genuine understanding, there is history, evidence and rational behind each of the statement "

    meray bhai, from your post you don't even know one tiny bit of history and have no evidence or rationale from your post.

    Sourkhay or anyone are not in charge of tribal areas. It is federal matter. Perhaps the name FATA would have clued you in?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:52 #
  15. arshad41

    This is just another case out of the dozens where jihadis who get high on bloodshed start killing their own from pure boredom. Once you get 'mazaa' of murder, normal life becomes dull.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 8:56 #
  16. Salam

    سرخے کو لگتا کہ مرچی لگ گئی، قبائلی علاقے میں کونسی چیز ہے جسے اغوا کار مانگ رہے تھے؟ وہ تو جیل اور ایجنسی کی تحویل میں ساتھی مانگ رہے تھے

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:11 #
  17. ANP has no control over who is in federal jail.

    But Salam, the issue is that why were Taliban so stupid to kidnap Khawajah and Imam who were infact more of a liability to ISI? ISI must be thankful to TTP for this? Now establishment can use to further their agenda.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:16 #
  18. Salam

    dell

    there is a long story behind khwaja's dubious role, i don't know if you have been following on that or not, but he was 'wanted' because of his alleged role in lal masjid-

    other two fellows were collateral damage, one worked as bargaining chip while other lost his life because price tag was set too high for him-

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:19 #
  19. arshad41

    Admit it bhaisahab, you are confused and dazed that your one hero hakeemullah mehsud is killing your other hero col. imam.

    I have met many jamaatis/army lovers who have a blank stare on their face when i ask them about this entire incident as their whole world view of jihadi mullah/isi bhai bhai comes crumbling down.

    Of course now Zahid Hamid of ISI will get boost from this to peddle his establishment lies. These incidents will becomes increasingly ocmmon as one jihadi groups tries to wrestle power from another jihadi group.

    I can't wait to see if "Zabiullah Mujahid" (better known as Major Saleemullah of ISI) will comment on this issue as his boss mullah Omar's trainer just got killed by Amir Hakeemulah Mehsud, an ally of Haqqanis.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:21 #
  20. Salam

    Do you have any evidence behind your claims or it is just your thinking?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:25 #
  21. arshad41

    "other two fellows were collateral damage,"

    Using the language of the invaders I see. The mullah does not fall from the American dollar tree. One fellow was released after ransom.

    Those who support taliban, will die by taliabn's own hands! There is no need to spin this obvious and basic truth.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:26 #
  22. arshad41

    "Do you have any evidence behind your claims or it is just your thinking? "

    Proof of how the new jihadis are turning on the old guard? Do you really need proof of this?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:27 #
  23. Salam

    that is what one party thinks, other may think it is raymond davis factor ;)

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:28 #
  24. arshad41

    Perhaps you were wishing Davis would be on video and Zahid Hamid's wildest fantasy would come true, but sadly it is our own "boy" Hakeemullah behind Asian Tigers from the get go. :'(

    From all the statements by "Zabiullah Mujahid", spokesmen of Afghan Taliban on behalf of Mullah Omar, he never once criticized ISI fro even one second. No need to be a genius like Munawar Hasan to figure out why an ISI agent can't say anything against his own organziation!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:36 #
  25. Salam

    لگتا ہے کہ ایک اور آئی یس آئی کے ڈسے ہوے سے پالا پر گیا ہے

    بات کو پتا نہیں کہاں سے کہاں لے گیا، پہلے کوئی ایک عنوان پسند کر لو پھر اس پہ جتنی مرضی بحث کرنی ہے کر لو

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 9:42 #
  26. Salam,

    I know Khawajah's role in Lal masjid and how he allegedly manipulated the negotiations process etc and than Hamid Mir's tape and so on.

    So you are admitting that Taliban killed an innocent man i.e. Imam.

    I think you are suffering from cognitive resonance, you liked Imam but you can't condemn TTP for this heinous act, or it something else!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 11:10 #
  27. Salam

    ڈل میاں

    میں اپنی رائے کا اظہار کر چکا ہوں، اگر کوئی اختلاف ہے تو کرو، فضول میں سڑیاں نا مارو

    اور میں قبائلی علاقے پر بھی تفصیلی تبصرے کر چکا ہوں، اگر موقع ملے تو وہ بھی پڑھ لینا، دہرانے کی عادت نہیں مجھ کو

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 11:43 #
  28. lagta hai mein nay aap ki dum pay paoon rakh diya. Challain hatta daita hoon, kaisa lagga?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 12:00 #
  29. Salam

    تو بھی بچگانہ حرکتوں سے باز نہیں آئے گا

    لگا رہ

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 12:06 #
  30. arshad41

    Now there will be a cherry on top of this desert of justice if during funeral of col imam in which mirza aslam beg, hamid gul and other top jihadi generals and mullahs will no doubt attend, if hakeemullah bhai can be so kind to send a mithai ki tokri with a "special" jakkitt.

    Hakeemullah bhai, aik meri khwaish tau puri qardo!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:01 #
  31. arshad41

    Dell bhai, aap Salaam say reason nahi karsakti abhi, quokay woh abhi apnay taliban Kommander kay qabbo mai hain.

    Aik video:

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:07 #
  32. SufiSoul

    when nami girami tajziya nigaar here is discussing the issue.i would say imam was and is working for ISI,his only love.
    he recruited or trained people fghan jihad in the afghan jihad in capacity of ISI official.
    now days are changed and u can no more go on with the same label in TTP lines.
    better would be to tell what was the mission of IMAM this time???
    i think he was on the agenda of ISI for dialogues with TTP.But they rejected and killed the ISI agent.
    enemies are always better aware of the enemy and his tactics.we common people dont have such information and can only estimate.
    but the result of killing shows that he was enemy of the TTP so got the result.....

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:19 #
  33. i think he was on the agenda of ISI for dialogues with TTP.But they rejected and killed the ISI agent.
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    یہ بلکل سچے مسلمانوں کی نشانی ہے . ویسے سنّت وغیرہ سے ثابت ہوتا ہے ایسا

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:36 #
  34. msohail83

    His case is pretty intriguing.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:40 #
  35. Taliban release video of killing of Col Imam

    http://www.liveleak.com/

    Sorry some problem to embed this video but you may watch after going to Live leak website.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:44 #
  36. Khokar vid not working!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:46 #
  37. arshad41

    Remove space between .

    http://www . liveleak . com/view?i=e01_1298199749

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:52 #
  38. After going on the website http://www.liveleak.com/

    Please drop down to:

    Taliban release video of killing of Col Imam

    Thanks

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:53 #
  39. arshad41

    Maaza nahi aya. Blur karnay ki kya zarwat thi?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:56 #
  40. Saieen;Abhi tak tou yehi video mil saki..Blur kay baghair bhi mil jaey gi

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:58 #
  41. arshad41

    SufiSoul bhai, bohot khoob. Jub Kammander Hakeemullah has said it, who are we mere mortals to question verdict of our Amir who has direct satellite phone to Allah?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 13:58 #
  42. arshad41

    Chalo theek hai. North Waziristan say aik aur khushkhabri ki video:

    http://www.atimes.com/video/saleem090211.html

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:00 #
  43. SufiSoul

    arshad.....haan na.....hehehe

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:09 #
  44. Col Imam’s body found in Mir Ali

    Former ISI official colonel Imam’s body was found in Mir Ali area of North Waziristan on Sunday morning. According to the locals, a white car dropped a body along the road on Saturday night in Karamkot village. The body was identified as that of Colonel Imam. Rumors of the killing of former ISI official were circulating for a month. But outlawed outfit Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan spokesman said that they had killed Colonel Imam on February 17.
    (The Nation)

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:11 #
  45. I am really skeptical about the authenticity of this video, they blurred his face, I think that's how it was released and also Hakeem Ullah Mehsud looks a little different!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:21 #
  46. SufiSoul

    YA ALLAH protect us of death, as a result of DOUBLE GAME,and in the hands of muslims fighting JIHAD against CRUSADERS and ALLIES....AAAMEEN

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:23 #
  47. shirazi

    I am not sure what were Talibans's goals when they killed Col. Imam this way. They could have very easily killed him in low key style. Why did Hakeemullah came in video and why did they send videos to all media outlets.

    I recall Hamid Mir said in this tape tell Hakeemullah this or that. He also said Col. Imam is loyal to Jihadis. Looking forward to his take, and even more important Hameed Gul's response on this. You can't say both were good, either say Col. Imam was sold out or Hakeemullah is Pakistan's enemy.

    I am glad Hakeemullah came in video now they won't be able to call it a conspiracy leading to America, India or Israel. But I am still baffled why Hakeemullah came in video? What were his goals?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 14:59 #
  48. arshad41

    This is more a message from Haki to Mullah Omar and the other old school Talib commanders and other ISI agents who may be slightly less bloodthirsty - "Don't tell us what to do or ignore us as we can even kill your own trainers".

    And also a recruitment tool. "Look how we can kill even Mullah Omar's right hand man, we are so powerful come join us."

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 16:51 #
  49. All,

    Lets lighten up the mood in here, that was a gruesome video

    Kaash saray Molvi aisay hotay!!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 16:51 #
  50. arshad41

    Something more to lighten the mood

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 16:55 #
  51. habibtahir

    this is very bad :@

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 18:52 #
  52. liv_2_die

    Zenith said a very imp thing .... hume sharam nahi aati keh hum kuch logon ke ghalat kamon ki waja se ISLAM ka mazaq uratey hain ... Westyehi chahta hai ... itna budnaam ker do keh log sab ko bura samjhen ... hum to jantey hain ye ye JIHAD nahi hai aur ye log is lafz ka ghalat istemaal ker rahe hain ... to phir akhir hum musalmaan ho ker inka mazaq kyun uratey hain .. jihadi lafz ko humne gali bana diya hai .. ye hai propoganda ... aab agli nasal ise ko jihad samjhey ge aur nafrat karey ge .. is sarey chaker mein asal jihaad kya hota hai wo sab bhool jayen ge ... its high time we wake up and understand what west wants ...

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:13 #
  53. Anwer Kamal

  54. Yahan Islam kahan say aa gya, kis nay mazaq uraya Islam ka. Jub bhi Mullah type laug koi ghalat kaam kertay hain tou jub unhay koi criticize kerta hai tou Mullah Islam ka rona shuru ho jatay hain...

    Mullah/Molvi doesn't equal Islam
    Taliban does not equal Islam
    ISI, Army does not equal Islam
    Global Geopolitics does not equal Islam
    Jihadis nut jobs do not equal Islam
    Khilafat cult doesn't equal Islam

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:28 #
  55. I have doubts about the authenticity of this video, look at the this video released of Col Imam a while ago, his beard is all black but the man in murder video has a completely white beard ???

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:46 #
  56. What is Zaid Hamid blabbering about!

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:48 #
  57. liv_2_die

    khilafat is an islamic term .. jihad is an important pillar of islam ... DO NOT call these ppl jihadiz .. so that is dis-respecting islam in this ... when u know this is not JIHAD ... then why u ppl (like WEST) call them jihadiz ??? ... this is the dis-respect we are talking about ... WEST do not differentiate but we as muslims know the truth .. when we label them jihadiz (and hence doing all the wrong things) what message do we give to rest of the world (jihad is an imp pillar of islam and these jihadiz they kill innocent ppl through suicide attacks ... ohh islam must be a violent religon 2 + 2 = 4)

    @ dell

    look at ur own last post ... that is exactly what i am talking about .. mullah is supposed to be an islamic term (just like father for christians) one who preaches us about islam .. we know in our part of the world these ppl are way far from islam ... does not mean the term 'mullah' is wrong .. just because we have associated wrong people with it does not give us the licence (again like west) to say 'mullahs are wrong' ... a man who preaches in mosque telling people to kill innocents might be wrong ... but he is NOT a maulvi in the first place .. we know that .. west doesnt ... but we hav so adopted their terminology that we blindly label every1 with such terms ... try and understand ... we have to distinguish between such culprits and islam ... these are NOT JIHADIZ/MAULVIZ .... we have to stop our terms to be used so losely ... only if we had understood this point .. the defnition these days in west MUSLIM = TERRORIST would not be this

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:48 #
  58. liv_2_die

    @ arshad

    "hum to jantey hain ye ye JIHAD nahi hai aur ye log is lafz ka ghalat istemaal ker rahe hain"

    How do you know what is Jihad and not? Who are you to decide?

    i did not say I KNOW AND I AM TO DECIDE ... i said hum ... translation WE ... aur mutlab WE MUSLIMS ..

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 19:52 #
  59. Duplicate ID arshad41 has been blocked.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 20:24 #
  60. Colonel Imam known as the ‘Father of Taliban’ is killed by a barbarian group of traitors from Pakistan who kidnapped him with the aim to mint money. This is cold blooded murder of an old man who happened to be there ---at a wrong place and a wrong time that they first abducted him and finding that they may not get any money for his release; they killed him... but strangely some of my friends in ignorance are attaching the religion with this act and the khilafat etc etc---- the Religion which Allah says that this He has perfected as a blessing for the mankind. (Astagh ferlllah hey Rabi min Kolou zanbenve wa atoobo allehey)

    Alas; this religion has fallen in wrong hands...!

    Kindly do not degrade... the Divine religion of Allah... this amounts to your committing a sinful act of blasphemy in respect of (Naozbillah) God Almighty

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2011 21:10 #

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