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Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 11:16 #
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جاوید شیخ مکرر
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 11:20 # -
woh gali aj bhi yad hai muje
chand lamhay jahan guzar aya
When we get rid of this Ishq Mashooqi
The ishq Mashooqi have destroyed our generation
The poet are the thing who deserve for "Ishq Mashooqi"
Why not love for Allah who is Universal truth.
Their is no concept of Ishq Mooshqi in Islam.
The Indian films have created this Ishq Mashooqi in Pakistan.
What is cause for this, why people follow peot,
why people don't follow quran
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 11:50 # -
'Woh Gali'?
Do you know that Gali?
It is a place in Lahore where once Allama Iqbal spent a part of his life.
I was very much impressed by your love for Iqbal, but this post disappointed me about your contradictory vision.Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:17 # -
toamin
memberpsycho
that is a problem with vague & exaggerated poetry, because he/she can define it as anything he/she wants it to be :)
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:19 # -
SufiSoul
MemberExaggeration is the main problem with Poets..
BUT if you go through the Sufi poets or Allama Iqbal you will never find them exaggerated things towards ALLAH..Thats why our Prophet said that poets are the worst of the planet,if not on the right path(more or less the same meaning).......
Their main asset is their exaggeration..
Like javed shaikh said that hijab and prison is the same thing..
So they lose their credability to be trusted in such basic matters for life..Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:25 # -
SufiSoul
Member(((('Woh Gali'?
Do you know that Gali?
It is a place in Lahore where once Allama Iqbal spent a part of his life.
I was very much impressed by your love for Iqbal, but this post disappointed me about your contradictory vision. ....))))javed shaikh sb tusi hun sanon saidan karaan lagy ho bashaho....
Ae gal theek nahi.Asee side karayee thy thaadi laari jehlam nehery which soot daini hy.......
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:29 # -
Poetry is always abstract, proverbial, artistic, stimulative and exciting.
The effects and side-effects of poetry depends upon the DNA of an individual.عشق کی چوٹ تو پڑتی ہے دلوں پر یکساں
ظرف کے ساتھہ ھی آواز بدل جاتی ھےPosted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:34 # -
@ SufiSoul,
I was expecting some academic, critical and literary comments from you.
But unfortunately, you also joined the band wagon wave of personal hatred.Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:42 # -
SufiSoul
MemberYour DNA is having more exaggerated jerms...
So pls try to control it in any way..
This leaves you with the feelings that "mera koi nahi suntha."
So how its possible to listen some one having that exaggerated jerms..AAP HI APNI ADAWON PE ZARA GHOR KARAIN..
Akhir Iqbal,mian muhammad bux were also having poetry but such a balance poetry they have..no exaggeration,no lie,no illiogical comparisons..
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:44 # -
javiad
dekh kar chal aik haseena ki;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
what does this mean?
why u have watched the chal of Haseena,
and u break the laws
what do u mean by haseena,
The real beauty is beyond ur measure
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:44 # -
SufiSoul
MemberThis cause i observed exagggeration at large during your previous posts...
You know i wnt you such a BALANCE POET AND PERSON...If you can FEEL A TOUCH of reality in my words.....
Have you that TYPE OF FEELINGS.....to judge my words...
I want to comment over ur poetry not just line and lenghth of it BUT also the subject the theme and ideology...
Just try to BRING UNDER LIMITS your theme.......
That will be of great Happiness to comment on...
Why you would always like to go east and west with us?????Again,
AAp HI APNI ADAWON PE ZARA GHOR KARAIN....
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:50 # -
'Haseena' symbolizes a derailed and lost Nation.
(Keep on asking, please.)
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:53 # -
toamin
memberlolzz
beautiful girl symbolizes a derailed and lost nation :)
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 12:56 # -
SufiSoul
MemberDekhain app kia kia gul khila rahain hain.....
Jab app defend nahi ker sakhthy tho kia zaroorat hy tamasha banany ki....
Seedhi tarah accpt karain k haan ye ISHQIYA SHAIRY THI....Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:00 # -
toamin
memberor may be he is referring to that famous Bangladeshi Hasina (former PM)
:)
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:06 # -
Poetry cannot be limited.
It is always omnidirectional.What does this mean?
تیرا امام بے حضور ، تیری نماز بے سرور
ایسی نماز سے گزر ، ایسے امام سے گزرPosted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:07 # -
It is not about poetry, it is about Javed Sheikh.
Please carry on. I feel delighted.Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:10 # -
SufiSoul
MemberPoetry is the reflection of poets ideology.....
Why Iqbal,Hazrat Ali,Mian Muhammad bux, never like to cross that limits..
BUT all these are so realistic in their opinions..
Every word you use is th reflection of ur ideology.This is one thing.Another is that you are too exaggerating,As last time i mention some corrections u may be remembered that,and now you are comming with more balanced verses..
BUT the problem of exaggeration still their...
ITS JUST A'MUSHQ' needed to get rid of short commings..So that we all can enjoy here...
Just start thinking about and some exercise of bieng less exaggeration..
You will end up with beautifull expressions..Try also impose some limits around BAYAN....
Let us enjoy all, your expressions.......Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:14 # -
SufiSoul
MemberDont take it personal pls....I hope you can feel true spirite behind my words..
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:17 # -
It is not wise to compare apples and oranges.
There are different angles and modes of expression.
The forms of Drama, poetry, painting, kept on changing according to the social reception.
Poetry from legends such as Mir Taqi Mir, Mirza Ghalib, Mirza Dagh Dehlavi, Waris Shah represent pure literary mode.
This form is mostly for intellectual delectation and entertainmentIqbal, Fiaz, Jalib, Faraz, Sahir, Mian Mohammad (Saif-ul-Maluk) blended their poetry towards philosophical and motivating mode by changing the trend towards 'poetry for a purpose.'
All the forms of Poetry, Drama and Painting has the impact to satisfy an individual with a choice.
One can pick up the form of his/her kind.
Mian Mohammad writes:بے قدران دی یاری کولوں کسے وی پھل نہ پایا
ککر تے انگور چڑھایا ، ہر گچھا کملایاThe other poet relates the same message in a different mode:
عشق کی چوٹ تو پڑتی ہے دلوں پر یکساں
ظرف کے ساتھہ ھی آواز بدل جاتی ھےPosted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:52 # -
toamin
memberactually sheikh thinks that everyone here is personally against him, he doesn't understand that it is his ideology that people love or hate, he himself is an unknown person
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:01 # -
achtung
Memberjaved sheikh bhai.
sher-o-shairi ko samajhney kay liye bhi danish kee zaroorat hoti hy. yeh zaroori nahee keh har koi iss fehm ka malik ho.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:06 # -
toamin
memberdanish kee bhi zarorat hoti hay aur hasina kee bhi :)
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:16 # -
The tone of expression of difference reflects the potency, if it is personal or academic.
This thread doesn't carry anything annoying, irritating or disturbing what has made some of the respectable members angry.
It doesn't carry any blend of Ideology.
What made them to take 'chit chat gup shup' so serious?@ Dear achutung,
Yes. Everyone is not blessed with the quality to appreciate music, poetry, painting and drama.
Every expression could not be, always, a sermon.
One can avoid to enter an auditorium, not playing the movie of his/her choice.Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:23 # -
SufiSoul
MemberThe same was from that i am not criticising the theme of this thread..
I felt strange that you started explainations like,('Haseena' symbolizes a derailed and lost Nation.
(Keep on asking, please.))))
Every one knows here that this was a romantic attempt from you but you started explaining it according to the wishes of some of the members..
Whenever you come up with any such thread your as whole IDEOLOGY comes under discussion...
So their was no problem with your this thread.
Wr were talking generally about you..Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:40 # -
SufiSoul
Member((((It doesn't carry any blend of Ideology.)))).
You should not explain like that..It does carry ideology and one can feel every verse from a particular state of mind...
It was good attempt from.But you failed to defend your effort here..
How to defend your effort is also something which needs some
"DANISH"
according to Achtung......Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:43 # -
SufiSoul
MemberWhenever it comes to defend ur IDEOLOGY you always lost your balance,This is not something strange for us,we know that about..
The different ways you Adopted to defend ur WORDS telling the story behind ur weak defend line.....You just need to re-Arrange your self in very positive manner against strong Attack..
That should be logical and should have complete structure of POSITIVE VALUES to arrange the defence....Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:48 # -
SufiSoul
Yeh shair to madahoon ka bhooka hai. Zara tarif kar do to yeh tumhara hai. Tarif key liey to gahey bgahey beytuki shairi ley ata hai. Wah Wah karo takey usey who milley jo kahin per nahin mila.
DNA ka kasur hai keh is ki harza sarai main ladeeniyat sarey fahrist, mazahab sey beyzari our maderewatan say khuda wastey ka bair hamesha jahlkey ga, yeh sub kabhi chupa hai laffazi main?Ap log is ko sahi samajh chukey hain.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:51 # -
SufiSoul
MemberAchtung ne tasleem kia hy k me JHOOT BOLTHA HON.And almost all of us knows who is lier....
Such attempts damage you defence line Badly against strong attack....Aap Jhoot bol k logon ki IJTIMAEE SHAOOR KO FARAIB NAHI DE SAKTHY.......
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:53 # -
SufiSoul
Memberpariot,
Waisy ab zara achi shairi aa rahi hy.......
Pehly tho bus na pocho....Galiya theen shair nahi..
Ab zara line aur length theek hy...Lagtha hy k kuch shairi k Jerms hain......
Dekho hum reponse nahi dain gy tho kon samjhaye ga..Shairi zara STANDARD KI HOGI tho Tareef karain gy bilkul karain gy....Galiyon ki tareeef tho koi bhi nahi ker saktha na....
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:56 # -
achtung
Membersufi bhai
mein ne kaha tha keh mein kabhi kabhi jhoot bol laita hoon jo keh mujhay nahee bolna chahiye.
magar app ne yeh jhoot bol diya keh mein ney kaha keh "me JHOOT BOLTHA HON"
inn doonoo baatoon mein zameen aasman ka faraq hy. mein yeh bhi yaqeen sey keh sakta hoon keh jo yeh kehta hy keh mein jhoot nahee bolta, wo jhoot bol raha hota hy.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:06 # -
SufiSoul
MemberJavedshaikh sb,
I would like you to come up with a complete Nazam,Ghazal or whatever you wish,for this one,
DAIKHNY WAALY QAYAMAT KI NAZAR RAKHTHY............
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:07 # -
SufiSoul
MemberDaikhy baath ik hi hy....Kon jhoot ka sahara laitha hy,kis ko laina partha hy sub Janthy hain yahan.....Thora ya ziyada jhoot jhoot hi hy.Koi nahi kehtha k me aksar jhoot boltha hoon..Log janthy hain k kon kitna jhoot boltha hy defend kerny k liye....
Aap Jhoot bol k logon ki IJTIMAEE SHAOOR KO FARAIB NAHI DE SAKTHY....... Imposible..
Sub log jhoothy nahi hothy,...na thora jhoot bolthy hain aur na ziyada.....
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:10 # -
Sahi kaha hai ap nain Sufi Sahib, shairi ho to banda tareef be karey. Tukbandi ya girah bandi kuch bhi ho shairi nahin hoti.
His very own litmus test when applied to him results in accordance to your observation that habitual exaggeration of issues is inbuilt as part of his DNA. While talking about others DNA he simply cannot help his own DNA structure that controls his output. Could be anything but never on topic and always negative.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:13 # -
achtung
Membersufi bhai
baat aik hee nahee hy. aap ney jhoot ka sahara laitey hue meri baat ko ghalat rang mein pesh kiya.
bhai, allah ko hazir nazir jaan kay yeh keh dein keh aap kabhi jhoot nahee boltay, tou mein aap kee baat tasleem kar loon ga.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:14 # -
@ SufiSoul,
آپ جو چاہتے ہیں ، اس کی خبر رکھتے ہیں
دیکھنے والے قیامت کی نظر رکجھتے ہیںComplete ghazal, coming later.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:15 # -
Janab patriot paee jan,
tusi kehre paase chal paye
tuhanoon je meri shaeri tung kardi aye, te menoon pagal samajh ke maaf kar dyomen koi ghalib yan iqbal te hai nai.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:21 # -
SufiSoul
MemberThanks i am waiting...
Ye bhi use ker lain.
Wo khuda mast hawaoon pe guzar rakhthy....
daikhny walyAnd yes try the ghazal with the same mood like this.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:25 # -
SufiSoul
MemberBilkul me delibratly jhoot nahi boltha.....
Ghalthi se koi missing ho jaye tho ho jaye....Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:26 # -
achtung
Membersufi bhai
aap yeh nahee keh sakay keh "mein allah ko hazir nazir jaan kay kehta hoon keh mein kabhi jhoot nahee bolta"
iss mein delibrately ya ghalti ki koi gunjaesh nahee. agar mein aap ki jagah hota tou manadja zail misleading comment karney par aap sey muafi ka talabgar hota.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:33 # -
SufiSoul
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Daikho aap IJTIMAI SHAOOR KO DHOKA DAINY KI KOSHISH KER RAHAIN HAIN.......
Me delibrate jhoot nahi boltha....sub clear hy....
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:37 # -
SufiSoul
MemberYE PEHLA KONSA LINK DIYA THA JO NAHI KHUL RAHA THA......
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:39 # -
achtung
Membersorry
pehlay ghalat link lag gaya tha. pl dobara check kar lein.
sufi bhai, ijtemai shaoor ka yahan koi masala nahee. baat sirif itni thee keh aap ney meri baat ko ghalat rang mein pesh kia.
jhoot jhoot hota hy. delibrate ho ya khud-garzi kee bina per ho ya kissi bhi aur wajah sey ho.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:42 # -
javiad
here is what i observed from above conservation,
that poets makes u to observe wrong rules
rule No.1. In the first place u said. "woh Gali" belong to Allam Iqbal
dear u r right in ur thinking but what about the rest of nation how do they understand u,here many kid are in romance mood by seeing the cursed films.
Rule No 2. "haseena mean a "Lost Nation"
can u tell how does haseena mean " Lost Nation"
if Haseena mean lost nation then which nation u r talking about
"""""dekh kar chal aik haseena ki"""""
why u place it in wrong order, to break the rule of islam, as in islam it's forbidden to do such act of evil
The real meaning of this "sher" mean
after seeing the walk of a beautiful girl
why negative, why not positive
The main reason for Fall of muslims in subcontinet is poetry, there is nothing but """" Ishq mashooqi""" in last decades of Muhgal age
The poetry of poet is nothing but to showing off to other people, So please correct ur intension,
do everything for the will of Allah
From the Amir al-Muminin Abu Hafs 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, radiya'llahu 'anhu, that he said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saying, 'Actions are only by intentions, and every man has only that which he intended. Whoever's emigration is for Allah and His Messenger then his emigration is for Allah and His Messenger. Whoever's emigration is for some worldly gain which he can acquire or a woman he will marry then his emigration is for that for which he emigrated'." The two Imams of the hadith scholars narrated it - Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Isma'il ibn Ibrahim ibn al-Mughirah ibn Bardizbah al-Bukhari and Abu'l-Husein Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj ibn Muslim al-Qushayri an-Naysaburi - in their two sahih books which are the most sahih books compiled.
Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 16:18 # -
My dear psycho,
I would request you not to disturb my peace of mind and let me do what I am doing.I am quite satisfied with my Ideology, and way of thinking.
Sorry, where I can't follow the high level of your wisdom and philosophy.
I accept my biological limits and weaknesses.
Please, live and let live.
نہ چھیڑ اے نگہت باد بھاری راہ لگ اپنی
تجھے اٹھکیلیاں سوجھی ہیں ہم بیزار بیٹھے ہیںPost something relaxing from Allama Iqbal.
Have a nice day.Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 16:46 # -
Javaid
as requested
Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 6:53 # -
toamin
memberi see some improvement in sheikh's work after sufisoul's generous coaching... keep up the good work sufisoul :)
Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 10:24 # -
A composition in Punjabi. (1983)
Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 11:47 # -
toamin
membernow try it with improvements learned through recent feedbacks -plz :)
Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 11:59 #
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