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Conditions of Surrender

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  1. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    McCrystal Wants 'Peace' Deal in Afghanistan

    But I guess it will be acceptable by Afghan people only under these terms:

    1) Compensate Monetarily All Afghan Deaths and Apologize and Pledge that you would never try to wage terrorism against Afghan people ever again through covert(CIA,NGO's,fake aid groups etc) or overt(militarily,satellite guided missiles,through kalay angraiz) means.

    2) Compensate Monetarily All infrastructure destruction through bombings of cities towns and villages and fields.

    3) Food Compensation : Raw food or prepared food must be brought and paid for by US and Allies over the period of ten years from third party countries and also distributed by third party countries And BAN UN to enter Afghanistan cause this organization was involved in planning, aiding, abetting and murdering of innocent Afghans.

    4) Bring all war criminals of Allies to any third party court and incur justice upon them

    5) UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER

    6) Let Afghan think of this point ...

    7) Afghan can figure out this point too

    8)Give all Kala Angraiz from Pakistan Green Card and you must take them with you as they would be more happy there.

    9)Immediately Halt the Surge in troops

    10)Send 20 cheer leader groups to that region and one to me to compensate me specially the Boston club cheer leader as well for at least a week cause its my idea after all.(okay fine...:(...dont send it to me...kisi ko khush na honey dena)

    ps. You can add if I have missed something......lols

    ps1.Recent surge plan would cause too much loss of life on both sides of the border and could be disastrous but I guess on positive note it may provide more targets?

    ps2.It could be a bit early though...but I just thought to say it anyways...

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jan 2010 22:40 #

  2. toamin
    member

    After they failed militarily now they want to defeat locals politically/intellectually.

    They will fail again -INSHALLAH

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 2:41 #

  3. shimatoree
    Member

    Surrender brings forth more obligations and not any consideration.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 4:07 #

  4. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "After they failed militarily now they want to defeat locals politically/intellectually."

    Quite true!But they wont want to leave that easily cause the money and power at stake is unimaginably supereme.They are trying to leave with a compromised puppet government which would be enough to protect their interests.They are not with any concern of who rules what in Afghanistan.The Soviet estimates of Afghanistan's natural reserves were of Five trillion cubic meter of gas,Gold reserves,Uranium reserves and much more in unexplored regions and that in addition to benevolent Geo-political control.The Money we are talking about is in (hundreds of)trillions of dollars and the power that money would give is worth 500 years of Anglo-Europeans hegemony in the world and specially in this area.

    "Surrender brings forth more obligations and not any consideration."

    Well I used the word 'surrender' in general not as technical term. But whatever is the case,they need to get the heck out of there.The sooner the better and along with them they should take all their cronies and stooges.And they better compensate Afghans for it as well if they don't want any ever lasting resentment among Afghans.They should do legitimate business instead of spending trillions on covert or overt means in a hope to get it back out of those resources once things get stabilized.The Soviet thought that they would get it stabilized soon and the same thing they are thinking too.But ground realities are telling us a different story as is cleared by this recent plea !!

    ps. My post maybe two-some years early..but I think it looks like that..?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 4:38 #

  5. Beenai
    Moderator

    surrender is nothing but a power game plan by US think tank.
    thier self created Taliban first ruined Afghanistan ,created a wide range of worst effects on neighbouring Muslim countries and after gettung whole Afghnistan and Pakistan in thier control ,and created as much of destruction as they can ....
    they have easily moved towards the second part of thier strategy ,about talks with Taliban and surrender ...
    to prove that US does not believe in war only .
    it believes on talks too.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 6:04 #

  6. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Afghan's don't want anything from US/Nato, ALL of its allies untill and unless the foreign occupiers move ALL! of their men OUT! of Afghanistan.

    Everything starts AFTER each! and every! man of foreign occupation forces has left Afghanistan.

    The west is not ready to go back. Not untill it has tried ALL that it can. Usage of deceit, politics, holding international conferences for giving India a lead role in Afghanistan, military force, private contractor force, etc etc are some of the tactics it can muster.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 7:59 #

  7. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "The west is not ready to go back. Not untill it has tried ALL that it can. Usage of deceit, politics, holding international conferences"

    Of course!! But what this all points out is that they are indeed lost and frustrated by the resistance.This so called 'friendly gesture' would be reminding Afghans the second or third Anglo-Afghan wars where they used the similar techniques once they were defeated in repeated military campaigns.

    It also shows that MEN's courage and determination can out-way Technology.When it comes to Real Men vs Machines-the real MEN win.Fourty European races were brought in Afghanistan in addition to the support of some local drug dealers and some corrupt Bhangis In Pakistan's Army and Politics.And those MEN have given them ALL a stalemate!

    Incredible!

    ps.Hope that Afghan resistance would realize this plot as well and would not fell for any trap.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 19:53 #

  8. aftab arif
    Member

    I see this conflict continuing because Taliban are not going to come to the table and they have already issued a statement saying that until foreign troops leave we will not talk with anyone. Which of course is the correct thing to do because as longs as the Yanks are in Afghanistan the destabilisation will continue in Pakistan also.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 20:14 #

  9. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "I see this conflict continuing"

    True!

    Well Anglo-Europeans have spent more than 250 billion dollars so far just in Afghanistan.And they have got back only few billions from stolen Gold,copper and Uranium in Afghanistan.The Gas reserves would only be available if the things get settle down because it would need lot of infrastructure which can not be built in such instability. No company would risk investing in such conditions. Mining is easier to do than extracting the gas or oil.Plus its the matter of Hundreds of trillions of dollars of reserves and geo-political power.So I guess they are in a 'don't want go but have to go' kinda situation.

    So they are not honest in this 'peace' move.

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 6:42 #

  10. toamin
    member

    Well, I don't think that Anglo-Europeans came here to make any money at all, nor they came here to deliver any development of infrastructure or civil structure.

    Also this $250 Billion is nothing for them compared with global control on trade, political affairs, economies, resources, air/land/sea routes etc.

    They are here to:

    1) Keep the potential opposition/competitor in destabilized position.

    2) Enforce and strengthen control on managing and decision making of the whole region.

    3) To preempt rise of any block that could threaten established business interests.

    After the defeat of russians, the West was keeping close eye on potential competitors and observed French/British maps fading away so they all came to refresh the 200-300 year old exercise...

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 7:17 #

  11. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "I don't think that Anglo-Europeans came here to make any money at all"

    I would tend to disagree to some extent and would agree to some extent that it maybe for ideological reason and the competition that ideology might give.But that ideology would be a reason in bigger picture!

    All the points you've given are valid in the bigger picture and in general terms.These points would be achieved through the money from these resources not through their own productive capacity.The things that I was talking about are going to happen first leading to the points you have given.

    "After the defeat of russians, the West was keeping close eye on potential competitors and observed French/British maps fading away so they all came to refresh the 200-300 year old exercise..."

    Potential competitors- ideologically you mean? Rest is a good observation.

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 8:03 #

  12. toamin
    member

    That is right, it is about money/economy but in broader perspective.

    In today's world there are not so many competitors on view point of life. Europeans evolved their view point over the course of 300 years and want to keep it as dominant order of the world.

    Communism failed in struggle against capitalism, failed in the sense that believers of communism rejected the idea -they stopped believing in its superiority that is why one can say communism failed. But as we see today even though capitalism is enforced on Muslims of the world but it is temporary imposition due to the fact that Muslims have their own view point on affairs of life which is at clash with european's view point. Muslims are suppressed, but are still today firm believer in Islam.

    That is why orientalists have been targeting this potential competition for last 200-300 years to move the believers away from it, but after all their failure can be sensed by introduction of draconian laws against Muslims such as french laws.

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 8:35 #

  13. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree, the west didn't enter Middle East, EurAsia region to give up its control as easily as they are allowing us to think.

    They are here for the long term. They won't go back willingly, untill and unless we get them out of here. The only way to get them out of here is through 'Jihad'. Jihad, not just with the sword/saber but with words, through strategic decision making, through strengthening cooperation between Muslim nation states, etc etc.

    I agree, they are here to implement their hegemony. They want control over our resources, natural assets, to make our people remain as slaves. They want to own and rule over our natural resources.

    My message to them -> 'over my dead body'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 11:39 #

  14. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "They won't go back willingly, untill and unless we get them out of here."

    Actually I guess we are already under occupation of their stooges in all important posts.From Afghanistan they would be removed by Afghans but who's gonna remove their stooges in Pakistan?

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 19:30 #

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