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Cousin Marriages

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  1. Cousin Marriages
    Cousin marriage is common in all Muslim countries. It is in accordance with the teaching of the Holy Quran and our Prophet had married his daughter with his uncle son. There were no defects in the children. Cousin marriage is thought to generate more stable relationship. Children are born with defects whether it is cousin marriage or not. Among migrant Muslim communities the defects are due to many factors. The pressure of moving to a different cultural environment and moving from their families, problems of racism and employment are responsible for the defects during pregnancies. The defects are nothing to do with cousin marriages. The hidden agenda is that British society does not want Muslims to bring their spouses from Muslim countries. A man/woman has the right to marry anybody from anywhere. It is a question of human right and the right given to Muslims by the Holy Quran and the sayings of the Holy Prophet.

    I would like to see each and every Pakistani parent should marry their sons and daughters in Pakistan so that their offsprings could speak, read and write Urdu language and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. The racist British education system has produced only notoriously monolingual Pakistani Brits. Pakistani parents would like their children to be well versed in Standard English, Arabic and Urdu languages and to be part of the British society as well as keeping in touch with their cultural roots.
    Marrying cousin is and has always been legal in the UK. It is not only migrant communities who have children with their cousins, rural communities have their fair share…truly… and lets not even look at the inbreeding within royalty and the aristocracy. How else do you think the aristocracy held onto 90% of the land for so long? Muslim community is an easy target to wag the fingure at. There is no hard evidence that married to cousin causes birth defects. Before picking on Pakistanis just remember that Queen and Prince Phillip are third cousins. Glass houses…stone…. I do not think fingers should be pointed at Pakistani culture; it is another witch hunt against Muslim community. Native English people marry their cousins as well and have done for centuries. British society is ignorant regarding UK law. Henry V111 changed the law so he could marry his cousin. And it still remains legal to marry your cousin in UK today. In Britain, every Pakistani is not a Muslim and neither do they all get married to their cousins. I am sick of British media and politicians like Baroness Ruth Deech and Keighly MP Ann Cryer bashing Muslim communities every day. The hatred towards Muslim communities has grown to a level that defies all logic and even affront to British values. The problem is that Britain has never made communities feel part of British identity and people lives “parallel lives”. Faith schools are part and parcel of British education system but Muslim schools are being discouraged and regarded as “Osama bib Laden Academies.
    Iftikhar Ahmad
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Apr 2010 22:47 #
  2. It was brave of you to bring up this subject of special interest to the Pakistani diaspora in UK. Muslims are the elaborate pretext in the West for any and every kind of arbitrary action they wish to take. Members of the diaspora will either throw in the towel and return to the homeland, convert or grow so used to persecution, they'll cease even to notice it any longer. The only consolation is that this too is just a passing phase. The moment will come when Westerners will have found another diversion to pass the time.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 11:19 #
  3. Reminds me of this old story I saw few years back on ABC News:
    Think your cousin's cute? Relax
    http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/07/19/think_your_cousins_cute_relax

    And this other piece:
    When Cousins Get Married
    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=2395516&page=3

    Twenty-four states forbid cousin marriages.

    The United States is the only western country in the world where these laws still exist.

    "A lot of these laws have been on the books forever, and they have just not gotten changed," Brian said.

    The laws date back hundreds of years to the time when the Catholic Church campaigned against cousin marriages because in the Bible Leviticus says, "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin."
    ...
    One of the reasons cousin marriage is taboo, is the assumption they will have kids with birth defects.

    But a new groundbreaking study funded by the National Society of Genetic Counselors revealed that some beliefs about cousin marriage were unfounded.

    Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABC News that the risks of having a child with a cousin were about "2 [percent] to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation.

    She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive.

    Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects...

    (But if you marry someone like LalBichoo, cousin or not -- well, you know the risks!!!!) :-P

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 12:24 #
  4. Thank God, nota, none of us is thinking of marrying anyone at the moment, not even good old Red, who has his charm, you might be surprised to learn, one of them being his honesty in certain contexts. Were you perhaps planning to get hitched to Red and got a compatibility test done beforehand?

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:01 #
  5. cousin marraige koi jurm hay na gunah !
    yeh sirf west ka propaganda hay.
    we have cousin marraiges in our culture .
    and its so alright in many aspects .

    medical complications tou kisi ko bhi ho sakti hain.
    kiya jo cousin marriage nahin kartay unkay abnormal bachay nahin hotay ?
    stupid western theories .

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:11 #
  6. MG,
    One is enough for me, but if I ever get suicidal....

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:27 #
  7. choosy, spot on: "stupid western theories". But then what in the west is not stupid, I wonder.

    nota: so glad to hear you're hitched up already. You won't be tempted to go astray. Also no need of any kind to get suicidal, not even on the darkest day, but that you know yourself beyond any debate or doubt.

    To sum up then, this ban on marriage between cousins on "medical" grounds is pure Hollywood stuff, west fiction. They also keep trying it out from time to time about circumcision. But with less vigour perhaps because their masters also belong to the circumcision zone, if I may put it that way.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:38 #
  8. aftab arif
    Member

    @ Nota

    hahaha

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:38 #
  9. mein tou cousin marraige ka alambardar hoon.:):):)

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 13:45 #
  10. Me too, choosy, me too.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 17:19 #
  11. Cousin marriage ke nateejay main he dau shair iss dunya pe jalwa afroz huay...

    Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain(RAA).

    Log science se deen ke haqaniat jhaanchtay hain, but for a believer it should be the reverse of this.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 17:47 #
  12. skunkk
    Member

    @ umar, choosy etc

    The western dislike for cousin marriages is arguable but the medical complications part is not.

    People wrongly quote Holy Prophet sw's example. He married off one daughter to Hazrat Ali but three to people who were non-hashimis. Similarly none of the umhaat-ul-momineen was Holy Prophet's cousin in my knowledge.

    The problem is that Pakistanis have made it almost compulsory that cousins should inter-marry. This is not only against science but also against the spirit of Islam where you should marry amongst friends as well as family so that bonds between the society are strengthened.

    The high prevalence of baradari and zaat system, practices of Quran se nikah parhwana etc are all due to the staunch belief that you if you should marry your cousins or baradari men only. It's all a inter related which Islam tried to break but people adamantly refuse to see the bigger picture.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 20:30 #
  13. zia m
    Member

    It is not the business of any government to tell people who to marry.They should stay out of public's bedrooms.
    There is only about 2% increase in risk of genetic diseases amongst first cousin marriages.It is not significant to outlaw such marriages on medical grounds.
    But to cite religion in support of such marriages is equally stupid.These customs have more to do with tribal culture than religion.People wanted to keep their wealth in the same family.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Apr 2010 23:49 #
  14. @IftikharA
    You could have revived your previous thread with the same topic (this one) by going through archived threads that can be accessed through tabs shown at the bottom of discuss page.
    Now as this thread has been revived your recent similar thread will be closed.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 May 2010 4:02 #
  15. hkbajwa
    Member

    Well i thankfully come from a pakistani family where my great grandfather outlawed cousin marriages for all his offspring and their offspring. None of my parents' generation or my generation have married their cousins.

    As far as i'm concerned, my cousins are my brothers and sisters. I have seen them in diapers and i have seen them grow up. I have also always been their elder brother. It is beyond my capacity to understand how one can perceive and treat their cousins as brothers and sisters all their lives and then suddenly change that perception and start viewing them as spouses and sexual partners.

    But that is my personal perception. Of course i am nobody to speak against a norm that was accepted by the Prophet (pbuh) himself. That said i do not beleive that his acceptance of marriage within the family necessarily means that it is a must or that it is necessarily ALWAYS better. Because most assuredly it is not.

    it is true that the first and second generation of cousin marriages have a very small chance of genetic issues in their offspring. However by the third generation, the recessive genes that would otherwise have been bred out of the stock, become a verifiable issue. By then the chances for genetic flaws rises to 15%. is there anybody here who would risk a marriage that had a 15% chance of producing a mentally or physically impeded chilren??

    Who a person marries is of course nobody's business. The government of a nation has no right to decide that (but please remember that this is the very same argument used by homosexuals and those in incestuous relationships... it's a very slippery slope).

    Anyhow one member said that this law is a conspiracy to weaken the muslim roots of immigrant muslims. Well i think that's nonsense. Just because they are denied the right to marry somebody from the same genepool, does not exclude about 1.2 billion other muslims. Though my family have no cousin marriages, none have had any problem finding spouses or having harmonious married lives.

    I think it's good that the genepool gets mixed up a bit. Children with greater genetic variety tend to have greater resistance to disease, greater adaptability, fewer congenital issues and are often very attractive too.

    The fact is that cousin marriages usually do not have the interest of the couple involved at heart. These marriages (particularly in the case of emigrants to the west) tend to be for consolidation of wealth, for visas and work permits or for other issues that does not put the welfare of the couple first.

    I know many here will vociferously deny this, but having lived in these countries and having worked on this issue i can guarantee you that this is the case in the vast majority of cases unfortunately. Cousin marriages are central in the immigration debates in europe because it pulls in so many unskilled and non-productive family members into the welfare system.

    I agree with skunk that there is an unhealthy and damaging insistence on cousin marriages which ought to be curbed. It would be better if pakistanis curbed it themselves however.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 May 2010 6:50 #
  16. cousin marriage can harm them only,who are afraid of it .

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 May 2010 6:52 #
  17. SufiSoul
    Member

    Cousin marriages if were harmfull Pashtunes would have a disable Nation......

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 May 2010 11:58 #
  18. aftab arif
    Member

    Person should be allowed to marry who ever they so which, be it they cousin or somebody from outside the family, the most important thing for me is that my children should marry a Muslim.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 May 2010 20:46 #
  19. naseemkhanan
    Member

    There are no restrictions on cousin marriages or out of family marriages in Islam.
    Most probable reason of marrying within one's family could be to contain family wealth and property within the same family.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 May 2010 9:46 #
  20. sasherwani
    Members

    I think cousin marriages are allowed in Islam just divorce is allowed in Islam. Its a permitted but disliked act.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 May 2010 10:41 #
  21. naseemkhanan
    Member

    Is there anything related to genetic birth defects that could be due to inter family marriages. I mean sickle cell blood disease as an example.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 May 2010 11:51 #

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