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Demolish the "Centers of Shirk"

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  1. We will remain in this mess, that we find the Muslim ummah today, until we wake up and demolish the "Centers of Shirk", like data darbar and the likes of it, and believe in the Tawheed of Allaah Subhaanuhu wa Ta'aala the way the Sahaaba (may Allaah be pleased with all of them) believed in it.

    May Allaah make us understand that our main problem in "Shirk".

    Allaah calls "Shirk" the greatest injustice (Zulam). Its worse than killing someone unjustly.

    Our beloved Prophet Muhammad salAllaahu alaihi wassallam spent first twelve years of his prophet hood preaching Tawheed. There was no obligatory prayers, fasting, hajj etc in that period.

    So we should think what verses of Quraan were revealed in that period and what was our Prophet Muhammad salAllaahu alaihi wassallam taught to this companions (may Allaah be pleased with all of them) in the first twelve years of prophet hood.

    http://www.tawhidfirst.com

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Jun 2010 2:32 #
  2. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Let us demolish the centres and the funding people of those miscreants who are promoting sectarianism.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Jun 2010 16:52 #
  3. fayyaz214
    Member

    Shirk is a big sin. Allah (SWT) will forgive every sin except for Shirk. The question is, how should we work towards eliminating Shirk. Allah (SWT) says in 10:99

    وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ

    "Had your Lord willed, all those on earth would have believed altogether. Would you, then, compel people, so that they become believers?"

    If Allah (SWT) did not ALLOW our beloved prophet to force others, then our approach should not be forcing others but should be educating, convincing, warning about hearafter etc.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 18:45 #
  4. SufiSoul
    Member

    If govt STOPS and seal the MONEY BOX at Darbars and Ban completly the money business at MAZAARS..
    SAJJADA NASHEENS will run towards JOBS/Businesses and the Darama Baazai would be automatically come to an end......

    No need to demolish or destroy......

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 20:55 #
  5. @SufiSoul

    Your suggestion is not close to even a temporary fix. The aqeedah of the people will remain the same even if we remove the donation boxes from the tombs. Even demolishing these buildings will not make any difference. People , for example, believe that the dead "peers" or saints can listen to them in the graves. Demolishing the data darbar, for example, now will not stop people from beliving that this dead person lying in his grave is of no benefit to them.

    When starting this post I didn't mean that some indviduals or a small group pick up spades and sticks and start demolishing these buildings straight away. But I want to convey my view that there is a great need for a strong, long-term and forceful movement in the Muslim world. This movement should focus on correcting the beliefs of the people and brining them back to the Tawheed of Allaah Subhaanuhu wa Ta'Aala.

    This movement doesn't require that a party or group should be formed and a leader should be appointed. Instead, it requires every individual Muslim, who fears Allaah, to find the truth, seek it properly, and convey it to the others.

    Obviously many people will ask where to find the truth? My simple reply to this questions is this hadeeth:

    The Messenger of Allaah (salAllaahu alaihi wasallam) said, "The best of people are my generation, then those who follow after them, then those who follow after them, then there will come a people whose testimony will precede their oath and their oath will precede their testimony." Reported by Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad and also by al-Bukhaari and Muslim

    As this hadeeth clearly mentions, the only true path is what the sahaaba, tabieen and ta-at-tabieen had a concencus upon. They have left for us the treasure of pure knowledge in the form of vast number of books.

    To seek this truth every sincere Muslim has to become a serious student of knowledge of the Deen and learn it the way it was learnt by the sahaaba, tabieen and taba-at-tabieen. Once he or she is firmly grounded in the knowledge then he or she can convey it to the others. It will require a great effort and sacrifice on behalf of each individual.

    As I said in the other post that becoming an "Aala Hazrat Maulana Sheikh-ul-Copy-Paste" on the internet is easy. The real hard work is to first find out the truth, then to find where lies the truth and then to seek it in depth.

    My suggestion to everyone is that, for once, with an open heart and mind, ask Allaah Subhaanuhu wa Ta'Aala, in the sujood, at the time of tahajjud, to show you the truth and where to seek it.

    "Verily, Allâh guides not the people who are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh)".[Soorah al-Munaafiqoon, Aayah 6]

    "Allâh chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides to Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience." [Soorah ash-Shooraa, Aayah 13]

    "And those who have been given knowledge see that what is revealed to you (O Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]) from your Lord is the truth, and that it guides to the path of the Exalted in might, the Owner of all praise." [Soorah Saba, Aayah 6]

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 23:30 #
  6. fayyaz214
    Member

    i agree, seeking truth in sajood during Tahajud and getting rid of deceases of heart (jealosy, arrogance, desire to follow our fore fathers, love for this world)are key steps towards getting to the truth. I am also assuming that you did not mean to exclude Quran as a source of truth. As without having Quran as our guiding star, sometimes not knowing the context of the hadith or actions of the sahaba, can lead to wrong conclusions.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 0:18 #
  7. @fayyaz214

    Ofcourse I din't exclude Quraan. I will not remain a Muslim if I do that. I mentioned the Deen which is the Quraan and the Sunnah the way the salaf-us-saalih understood and practiced upon the Quraan and the ahaadeeth.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 1:21 #
  8. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Let us avoid mud slinging over each other and try to be a united Ummah.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 7:08 #
  9. @Hussain Farooqui

    The Messenger of Allaah (salAllaahu alaihi wassallam) said:
    "My ummah will split into seventy three sects all of them in the fire except one". It was said: "Who are they O Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu alaihi wassallam)?. He said: "That which I and my Companions are upon".

    Reported by: Abu Dawood, Ibn Maajah, ad-Darimee, Ahmed and al-Haakim, who declared it sahih and ad-Dahabee agreed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 12:58 #
  10. @Everyone

    A very beneficial book

    http://home.exetel.com.au/waliuddindurrani/Foundations%20of%20the%20Sunnah.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 14:14 #
  11. @Everyone

    Another very good book. A real eye opener

    http://home.exetel.com.au/waliuddindurrani/Bralwiyyah%20Exposed%20-%20Urdu.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jun 2010 0:53 #
  12. fayyaz214
    Member

    i agree with Hussain Farooqi on no mud slinging. But there is a difference between mug slinging and advising each other and the nations that stop advising each other are in loss. As Quran says that everyone is in loss except

    إِلَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا عَمِلُوالصَّالِحَاتِ وَتَوَاصَوْابِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ

    except those who believed and did righteous deeds, and exhorted each other to follow truth, and exhorted each other to observe patience.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jun 2010 0:58 #
  13. There is nothing biggest shirk that Mullah (under various denominations)could do to make believe people that there are no more revelations or guidance from God for the mankind. This is-- as God has been sent (naozbilla) on retirement and Mullah is loving it---- to play god.

    Mullah is bent upon imposing his will through fear and terror. Society is suffering and its fabric at the hands of Mullah are tattered.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jun 2010 8:26 #
  14. @ Aay Khokhar

    Do you think someone will take your views seriously here? Don't think we are foolish and don't realize where you are coming from? Just mind your own business. Don't bother to post any comments here.

    The Muslim ummah has ijmaa (concensus) that the views you have presented in your post above, belongs to a "kaafir" group/party.

    We Muslims have differences among us but against this "kaafir" religion we are all united.

    Seriously, please don't bother to post any comments in this thread. Mr. Bin-bulaay-mehmaan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jun 2010 12:51 #
  15. fayyaz214
    Member

    @ Aay Khokhar

    I don't understand how is that related to Shirk

    @ wdurrani

    I wonder if on the day of judgement, we would be able to say to Allah (SWT) that there was an Ijmah of Ummah, therefore we considered Ahmadi's Kafir. If someone has to come, by definition, we know from Quran, that establishment is bound to reject him.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jun 2010 16:48 #
  16. pirbodla
    Member

    @ Aay Khokhar
    You Said: “There is nothing biggest shirk that Mullah (under various denominations) could do to make believe people that there are no more revelations or guidance from God for the mankind.”
    My Answer: The worst form of shirk in recent history has been committed by Mirza Qadyanis by claiming to be a ‘GOD’, and told his followers to believe in deity called ‘YALESH’. He explained that it is an abbreviation of ‘YA LA SHIRK’, but to me it sounds as shirk, a combination of two deities, ‘YAHOWAH’ + ‘MAHESH’.
    As for your typical Qadyanis hate for the mullahs. I do not think it is due to their turbans and beards, for your own mentor wear the same stuff. The real cause of this ‘Mullah Phobia’ is evident from your statements. Your consternation is for the fact that they will relentlessly refuse to believe in the continuation of ‘WAHY’. I have already answered you in detail about this topic at:
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/demolish-the-centers-of-shirk-1
    However, I repeat that the Almighty God is the best of all planners. if anyone invents a lie with fake claims of being as recipient of ‘WAHY’, then the Omnipotent and Omnipresent All-Powerful God has His own way to deal with such an impostor.
    Here is one of several proofs; this one is from a revised version of TADHKIRAH. P981.
    [November 6–7, 1907
    “Translation: [Arabic] I give you glad tiding of a pure and righteous son. Lord, bestow on me pure progeny. I give you good news of a son whose name will be Yahya (It seems that this means: one who will live long.). coati……”]
    This is one of many living proofs that how the plans Allah work. This claim was proved false beyond doubt. Surely, this is not the only proof; there are lot more, which Qadyanis Jamait is going to destroys one by one. Now, tell me is there any justification to curse the Muslims?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 18:51 #
  17. MalangBaba
    Member

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Jul 2010 2:16 #
  18. fayyaz214
    Member

    I have an issue with word "demolish", as it is use of these type of words that causes mis-understanding and plant the seads for events such as what happened in Lahore.

    Ghamdi has a point. We have been planting seeds of hatred for a long time. Now internal and external forces are using those seeds of hatred for their goals.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Jul 2010 4:26 #

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