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Deobandi Madaris and Pakistani Taliban......

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  1. Before it was dismissed through a military coup in October 1999, Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League (PMLN) government took some significant steps against Deobandi militant groups, particularly the SSP and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ). With scores of militants arrested and convicted in 1998-1999, the SSP and LJ shifted bases from their home province, Punjab, to Afghanistan, where they were provided sanctuaries by Mullah Omar’s regime. In 1999, Sharif’s government sent a high-level delegation to Kabul demanding that SSP and LJ militants, including LJ leader Riaz Basra, be handed over to face trial in Pakistan. Those efforts to bring jihadi militants to justice ended with Musharaf’s coup.(1)

    Deobandi madrassas and mosques, which provide a growing pool of recruits, have been as integral to the Pakistani Taliban’s rise, now loosely aligned under the Tehrik-i-Taliban (Movement of the Taliban, TTP), as they were to that of the Afghan Taliban in the 1990s. Militant fundraising, which includes criminal activities such as kidnappings for ransom and bank robberies, has gained momentum with the tribal extremists expanding their control over territory and reviving ties with drug and smuggling cartels in Afghanistan, severed after the Taliban’s ouster. The militants now have greater manpower, money and access to equipment than ever before. Their increasing capabilities have indeed produced an upsurge of jihadi violence countrywide. “Deobandi groups are becoming bolder and more violent than we have ever seen. “Their trademark has become the spectacular suicide attack”.(2)

    Facing significant international pressure after 11 September 2001, Musharraf reversed the government’s support to the Taliban regime in Kabul, and promised to crack down on extremist groups at home. Efforts were, however, selective at best. After the Taliban’s ouster, many militants from radical Sunni groups including the LJ, having lost their Afghan sanctuaries, were allowed to return to Pakistan.

    Government inaction also permitted Taliban militants fleeing Afghanistan to establish havens in the tribal areas, from where they deepened contacts with Pakistani jihadi groups. Moreover, Musharaf’s failure to implement his stated commitment to reform the madrasa sector enabled a second generation of militants, trained in Pakistan’s madrasas and terrorist camps, to establish links with other cells and/or merge into new entities.(3)

    The military high command’s regional priorities played a major role in this policy of turning a blind eye to the presence of radical Sunni groups. According to an informed observer, the military government “left the sectarian infrastructure intact because in the future it would prove useful in order to implement the state’s foreign policies in Afghanistan and Kashmir….As long as these are the policy preferences, these groups will remain intact”.(4) Indeed, new jihadi groups emerged under Musharaf’s watch.

    The military government’s failure to move against religious extremists can also be attributed to its dependence on the six-party religious alliance, Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), led by the pro-Taliban Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) and the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), to offset opposition from moderate secular parties.

    Although Pakistan now has an elected civilian government, the military high command has yet to cede authority in key policy areas, including counter-terrorism and relations with Afghanistan. This has significant ramifications for the new administration’s efforts to curtail religious extremism at home and pursue peace with its neighbor.

    The military and its intelligence agencies, particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), have often hampered investigations by civilian law enforcement agencies like the Criminal Investigation Department (CID), Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) and Intelligence Bureau (IB), which have a better track record against extremists but lack the resources and authority to fulfill their mandate. Their ability to build cases that have traction in the courts, against those responsible for attacks or inciting others to violence within Pakistan, will be vital to combating religious extremism and terrorism within and from Pakistan.

    1.Crisis Group interview, Rana Jawad, Islamabad, 7 October 2008
    2.Crisis Group Interview, Karachi, 16 October 2008
    3.Crisis Group Asia Report No130, Pakistan: Karachi’s Madrasas and Violent Extremism, 29 March 2007; and Crisis Group Reports, The State of Sectarianism in Pakistan; Unfulfilled Promises: Pakistan’s Failure to Tackle Extremism; Pakistan: The Mullahs and the Military; and Pakistan: Madrasas, Extremism and the Military..
    4.Crisis Group interview, Wajahat Masood, Lahore, 24 June 2008.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 14:39 #
  2. In the 1980s, the military dictator Zia ul-Haq gave land and money to Deobandis, a policy the United States supported because it needed both Mr. Zia and fervent jihadists in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    Mr. Zia also crushed social ferment throughout Pakistan, and the debate on class and social justice that went with it, stifling political growth. To this day, Pakistan retains a colonial-style system of patronage: I-will-vote-for you-because-you-are-important-and-I-think-you-might-be-able-to-help-me-in-my-time-of-need.

    At the same time, the Zia government elevated the mullahs, once unimportant men seen mostly at weddings and funerals. They became powerful players with their own political space — a kind of middleman between state and populace, not breaking their ties to the elite that had empowered them.

    “The mullahs were one of the state’s major allies,” said Aasim Sajjad, a political economy professor at Lahore University of Management Sciences who is part of a small leftist political movement in Pakistan. He argues that in Punjab, the conditions for a revolution simply are not present, in part because the mullahs are still comfortable in their ties with the state.

    “I don’t see them being interested in radical social change that really attacks the existing structures of power in the society,” he said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/weekinreview/02tavernise.html?_r=2

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 15:07 #
  3. netengr
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    Alhamdulillah ...finally people start accepting the realities

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 15:12 #
  4. SufiSoul
    Member

    Within deobandi school of thought their is difference of opinion abt killing some minority within Shia school of thought.
    On the other hand within Shia school of differences are also abt some shia extremists to be loud in streets abt some very basic AQAIDS different to sunnis AQAIDS.
    Both sides extremists elements cannot understand the situation in reality and shia sunni war has been started between these two elements.
    Political parties jumped into the situation to grab voters out of these extremists groups.
    And the situation was remained worst between these two groups.
    I would like to mention it again that SS and SM dont have popularity among majority of Shia and sunni(Deobandis)..
    Al-Qaida hired SS for a noble cause against US and due to SS involvement attackes against Shia community remained almost zero..
    It is a good news if our politicians set aside their LAGAI BHUJAI policy and want to bring truce among these groups.
    This is not a very difficult task for political leaders to calm down both the groups to bring peace in the country.
    BUT i am afaraid that political leaders want just vote bank of deobandi and shia and they stage such Dramas from time to time against these groups.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 17:23 #
  5. http://i47.tinypic.com/qrf3w7.jpg

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 17:49 #
  6. My Dear JS

    This is what you call secular Fascism

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:02 #
  7. @UmeR and SufiSoul
    Agreed in general and taking this debate further; isn't the Deobandis gone too far by resorting to anti Islamic tactics so as to attain their obvious goal – Turning Pakistan into a Theocratic State!

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:03 #
  8. I think making this trend as a deobandi would be misleading and dangerous. The tableghi Jamaat are also Deobandi and they have nothing to do with this kind of violence or tactics.

    SSP and LJ are legacy of Zia-ul-Haq and Musharraf. SSP was created by Saudi Funding to counter Iranian Shia influence in Pakistan. In 90s and in years following 2000 SSP was used to counter MQM in Karachi and Hyderabad as majority of MQMs top leadership is Shia.

    After SSP was ditched by pakistani agencies, it found a new partner in the form of Al-Qaida as both of them hate Shias.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:13 #
  9. @Faarigh Jazbati
    A valid point that not all Deobandis resort to violence. Yes Saudi Arabia agreed to finance half of the expenses for the war against Russia by Afghan resistance. Later they were dumped by the Americans and Pakistan army both and now they have morphed into Taliban from Mujahideen.
    This time they have challenged Pakistan government and fight the same army that trained and armed them.
    Because of this fighting within the confines of Pakistan, local population is bearing the brunt by getting killed and displaced.
    There should be a way to counter this and bring them to the table. Qaid-e-Azam as a founder was clearly not in favor of a state run by theocrats but for a way that is equally acceptable to the Muslim majority while still not being a theocracy.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:28 #
  10. SufiSoul
    Member

    semirza sb,
    Due to majority deobandi SS have more option to go with.
    Shia SM resistance would have been of that much strength if they were not in minority.
    You are right that SS took this anti shia movement to new hights.Which is not acceptable among majority of deobandis.
    The need of the day is that peace should be worked out between these opponents..
    I am Afraid that NOW SS has been hired by Al_Qaida and US and Allies have a chance to Hire SM against Taliban and Allies..
    US did the same planning in IRAQ to hire some of Shia groups against Al-Qaida and sunni fighters..
    Previous reports show that A head of private security agency was arrested in Pakistan, facilitating US embassy and BW in getting weapons Licence scandle his name was something ZAIDI and retired Army Major,if i am correct...
    So if an agreement is not made between these groups you cannot stop them to be hired by Al_Qaida and CIA.
    Recent History in IRAQ shows the same experience..

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:38 #
  11. SufiSoul
    Member

    I am aware that Shia community is living very hard life in life due to security reasons.
    They dont take risk to live as a single family in a colony in Pakistan.
    They always try to live as a group of some families in a colony.
    This all is due to this dispute between SS and SM.
    It is badly needed to work out for peace to provide a better living Place and keep the Shia community mentally relax as a normal Pakistani..
    Give and Take is always expected in such negotiations BUT we never heard such a voice for peace between these opponents.
    The reason is that Shia community is in Minority and thay cannot build some political pressure here to stop this war against them.So they have suffered more in this WAR.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:47 #
  12. @SufiSoul
    Thanks for further clarification of the issue of SS. Than a combined effort by government officials and non politicized clergy should rein in SS not to be tools for Al Qaida and US. But I doubt this seriously as the government itself is a stooge of US designs there fore no such effort as of yet has materialized!
    Also why a generalized term of Taliban is used and not SS in case they are the role players.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 18:51 #
  13. SufiSoul
    Member

    Now SS has been merged to To TTP.
    I think govt is not sincere to wipe out both shia and Deobandi SS extremists.I dont know the reasons behind,BUT govt is not so serious abt these two groups.
    And we can expect a situation like IRAQI SUNNI AND SHIA war.
    But high damages are expected for Shia community due to their minority.Theirfore it is need of the day to save a small community.
    ZARDARI itself belongs to shia community but i dont know why he is in-effective abt this matter.
    It was a surprise news that ZARDARI have a meeting with Shia Leader of Pakistan BUT was kept highly secret..
    The situation may be analysed here abt ZARDARI in-effectiveness.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 19:00 #
  14. netengr
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    Deoband Madaris was established by some Ulemas who migrated from Deoband India ,The intention was to give Religious education for those who want to be an Alim-e-deen ,There was no intention to provide basic education for all or to make this as Jihadi camps ,The Ideology of Ashraf ali thanwi ,Mufti Shafi Usmani ,shabir ahmed usmani and other was not militant even some how they were involved in the politics such as mufti mehmoud but they never use militancy tactics neither they called Pakistani system as "Kafir Syatem "

    The problem started after afghan war and the Next generation of New deobandis was formed and the chain of madaris were formed and money involved ,People from villages joined Madaris in order to get "good job " and their intention was not "Religious " any more .These Madaris has produced sectarianism and Talbanism and After aghan war they adopted Tafkeeri and Jamati ideology .

    I have been in Madaris and have seen very closely ,All madaris and deoband Ulema are not under on umbrella, SSP and LJ do not follow the elders they are mostly Punjabi ,Today these Madaris Ulema also confused how to control their students ,More then 90 percent of Madaris students are Taliban supporters and If they are "feeded " by some one they can become real taliban within days .
    In 90s I have seen jihadi Tanzeems like Harkatu ansar ,lashker-e-taiba camps our side Darul uloom Karachi asking "chanda " for Afghan and Kashmir Jihad .
    Some Masajid was Sipah-e-SAhaba Camps where they used to have weapons and was used to spread hatred against Shias .

    What I see is there is a huge amount given to Madaris after 9/11 ,in Last 10 years some of Madaris spend million and spending thousands rupees daily ,Before one majid takes years to built not whiten few years some Madaris become like a university and I am sure this money is comming from come where else not from the local people .
    one exampl of Jamia Ashraful Madaris Gulistan-e-Joher Karachi ,In just 10 years this madersa has now a huge buildings with high quality constructions including 4 story madersa in 4000 yard land ,big Masjid ,Hospital ,Generators etc ,The daily expense of this madersa is in thousands and they do not ask "chanda " from Muhallah .The President if Jamia ashraful Madaris is Hakeem Mazher ,Who was running Alakhter trust which was banned later
    http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/terroristoutfits/Al-Akhtar_Trust.htm

    Hekeem Mazher lives in tight security with police guards .

    this seems that some one either closing eyes or supporting these Madaris for some purpose

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 19:02 #
  15. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    Excellent knowledge provided here by members. Very important to to understand this history.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Dec 2009 20:40 #
  16. SufiSoul
    Member

    Sipahe Sahaba has totally different and separate system of their madaris teaching Anti Shia lessons.
    So SS and his madaris should not be seen combined with other madaris.
    I may be added that now after hiring by Al-Qaida SS leadership is also seeking ways to control SS members but this is not possible for them.
    Rest of the Uleme of Pakistan are against the voilence.
    Rest of the Madaris never teach hatred abt shia nor against any sect..
    Al-Rasheed trust and Al-Akhtar trust and rest of the ulema and madaris are against US they have nothing to do with SS voilance so must be seen as a separate entity..
    The important issue is how to peace between these groups???
    Any one having some suggesctions????

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 4:19 #
  17. toamin
    member

    Various organizations created for different purposes after serving the purpose were needed to be "cleaned up" because they were no longer inline with the 'foreign policy' made after Mushy's famous U-Turn.

    All of a sudden the 'mother' of these turned against them and started to take them down. These were Kashmiri freedom organization and anti-shia organizations. So during Mushy time there was some re-organization where these people ended up in fata areas, their handlers lost connection and hence they all became rebels against Mushy.

    Mushy policies were then owned by Kiyani and more military operations launched but then these rebels started to retaliate against the people of Pakistan that is where the foreign handlers came in to play, they started to use these rebels for their own interest and coupled with local networks established by cia/fbi these rebels direction came inline with theirs.

    Govt can easily defuse the situation by disconnecting support to afghan invasion of natio/us, that disconnect will turn the rebels to afghan against invading forces.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 4:54 #
  18. @Salam
    Spot on brother. 'that is where the foreign handlers came in to play, they started to use these rebels for their own interest'.
    Very well said.
    We should be able to identify not only the trouble but the root cause of trouble as well.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 8:28 #
  19. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    It's not that simple. As ideology among all so-called jihadi groups is almost identical, just tactics are different.

    Unless the entire network is taken down, not just some groups, while others are left alone or promoted, we can not reach any peace. Who can trust terrorist networks who at a drop of a coin can kill Pakistanis with so much joy?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 10:39 #
  20. toamin
    member

    Well brother you trusted them when you needed them, then you kicked them under pressure of one phone call.

    You embrace them and the trust will be revived just like it was there short time ago.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 10:43 #
  21. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    Who are you saying to that trusted them? It is your right wing army generals and mullah cabal who trusted and created them, not us nationalists and liberals who were against them from day one.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 10:45 #
  22. toamin
    member

    Right, I am talking about majority of Pakistanis who voice their opinion in surveys and polls. Results of 2002 elections and success of MMA tells us that people rejected secular/liberals in favor of Talibans. 2002 election was contested on emotions for Afghanistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 10:52 #
  23. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    The same 2002 elections run by Mushy by distributing plots to mullahs and letting them win?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 10:59 #
  24. amirbutt
    Member

    2002 elections were manipulated by Gen Zameer and this is common knowledge now. PPP and PML N were stifled by Musharaaf and hence the MMA victory. Every time a dictator general is in power the religious parties do well. I am sure you can do 2+2. Gen Zia's famous referendum had 90% vote. The number was a bit high because frishta's voted in that election with humans. 2002 election was also open for frishta's.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:02 #
  25. toamin
    member

    What about the recent surveys and polls conducted by IRI and PEW?

    People consider India & America to be the real threat while scale Taliban on very low, why?

    Or you think that these surveys/polls are also rigged?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:06 #
  26. amirbutt
    Member

    The same surveys also told us that musharaff is the most popular man in Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:07 #
  27. toamin
    member

    Of course he was popular at that time back in 1999/2000, was he not?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:11 #
  28. amirbutt
    Member

    If he had come as a result of a popular movement the answer would be yes but the surveys used to say that he was. I am sure he was as popular as Ayub Khan, Yahiya Khan and Zia ul Haq. We were always told that they came to save us by demand and are greatly admired by the masses.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:19 #
  29. SufiSoul
    Member

    Many of the Jihadi groups ensures Pakistan safety in the region.
    Thats why Pakistan would never like to go against the TTP Pakistan friendly elements.
    US is crying for the Haqani group operation and Mulla Gul Bahadar group operation but Pakistan is refusing to go against these groups which are pro-Pakistani.
    Reffering to recent media reports Nawaz Sharif and others have communication with Taliban anti-Pakistan groups to settle down the despute of attacks by Army and Taliban within Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 11:24 #
  30. netengr
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    Madaris has done great job but also have been the source of hatred and terrorism and this is the fact

    here are some examples for the terrorists who has been graduated from welknown Madaris

    SSP co founder was a graduate and teacher at the Karachi Deoband madrassa Jamia Islamia,
    Riyaz Basra was a student of Deoband Madersa in Lahore and serghdah
    Haq Nawaz Jhangwi was graduated from DEoband Madersa Kahirul Madaris Multan

    Azher Masoud graduated from Madersa Binori town

    Jaish-e-Mohammad was made in Binori town Madersa after the release of Azher masoud .

    ------

    Our Army or agencies either do not know about them Or supporting them for the next "Game "

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 15:19 #
  31. toamin
    member

    Close all the schools because a few criminals happened to get educated from there?

    This doesn't make sense because recently 5 young americans were held in Sargodha city. They received all their education in the US, so what does that mean?

    Secondly, among millions of graduates you just identified less than a dozen as bad guys while missing the rest of 99% good guys, why?

    Madrasah are perfectly fine and healthy NGOs that are contributing positively in our society. One may disagree with their thoughts, but can't label all as evil & criminal.

    Thx

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 16:02 #
  32. netengr
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    Our Good Ulema establish Madaris to give Quran-o-Hadees Education before 80s they were very few that time just 2 or 3 in every big city which were fulfilling the need ,Currently Gali Muhalla Madaris is a business and most of the students are intend to seek education just to be called "aalim " so they could start their career as Imam ,Madersa Ustat ,Moazzan or a Jihadi leader Or they can start another madersa .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 16:37 #
  33. shahzad1924
    member

    @netengr - "...and most of the students are intend to seek education just to be called "aalim " so they could start their career as Imam ,Madersa Ustat ,Moazzan or a Jihadi leader Or they can start another madersa."

    and im just guessing, so please correct me if im wrong, you are trying to imply that this isn't something good?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 16:55 #
  34. netengr
    blocked

    @shahzad

    Become Aalim for Dawah is appreciated if some one become Aalim and become Imam ,Moazzan ,or run madersa with intention of Dawah then its good . But now most of them are professionals and getting these education for "dunya " only .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 17:01 #
  35. shahzad1924
    member

    @netengr - "But now most of them are professionals and getting these education for "dunya " only."

    and you can tell because you are gifted with the knowledge of the unknown?

    such a generalization is evidence of the hatred you have towards Islam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 18:17 #
  36. netengr
    blocked

    @Shazad

    Here you are again calling some one anti Islam ,We all love Islam please keep your takfiri ideology with you .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 18:34 #
  37. kq
    Member

    An interesting article about Darul Uloom Deoband in India.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/02-deobands-battle-for-survival-02

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Dec 2009 23:13 #
  38. toamin
    member

    These schools are doing a wonderful service to society by providing free of cost education, housing and food to needy ones.

    These people have much better character in general compared with graduates of missionary schools established by colonials.

    Thumbs up!

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 3:59 #
  39. shahzad1924
    member

    agreed with Salam

    and if do want to close down an educational institution, start with FC College. it has produced criminals such as Pervaiz Musharraf, Chaudary Shujaat, Pervaiz Elahi and Yousaf Raza Gilani.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 4:26 #
  40. netengr
    blocked

    As all agree and have seen that there are few people involved in terrorism and sectarianism then these Madaris should clear their views and oppose them openly .

    Big Madersa and Charity organization is running under Azher Masoud in bahawel pur of course he cannot run this business under the supervision of "authorities ".

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 4:48 #
  41. toamin
    member

    now you are talking more sensibly by giving a specific case, previously you were just generalizing everything irrationally.

    azher masood and his organization was already shut down by mushy during his time, if you have any information on illegal activities you can file a report with relevant authorities.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:04 #
  42. netengr
    blocked

    @salam

    now people start to accept the realities and facts ,thats good sign

    Ager yeh baat dou saal pehlay ki jati tou isreal aur india kay agent honay ka tamgha mil jata

    -------------
    Salam Said :
    "if you have any information on illegal activities you can file a report with relevant authorities"

    There are hundreds of examples can be given to authorities about their activities they are still free ,open and well funded .Either this is by agencies support or poor intelligence

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:31 #
  43. toamin
    member

    It is just mere exaggeration and seems baseless to say something like hundreds of example without any evidence.

    All Madrasa schools are generally good and are doing positive contribution in society -Full Stop.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:33 #
  44. netengr
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    @salaam

    I am not here to convince you .

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:45 #
  45. netengr
    blocked

    Azher Masoud brother is running illegal newspaper Al-Qalm ,and you will find lond hair Jihadis selling after Jumma prayers ,Taliban ,Jihadis ,Sipah sahaaba working freely in Pakistani cities

    http://pkonweb.com/2009/10/28/jaish-threatens-ayesha-siddiqa-for-her-views/

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:50 #
  46. گر ہمیں مکتب و ہمیں ملّا
    کار طفلان تمام خواہد شد

    گلا تو گھونٹ دیا اہل مدرسہ نےتیرا
    کہاں سے آیے صدا لا الہٰ الاللہ

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:52 #
  47. netengr
    blocked

    Brothers in Arms
    By Ayesha Siddiqa 9 September 2009

    http://www.newslinemagazine.com/2009/09/brothers-in-arms/

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:52 #
  48. toamin
    member

    Long hair people selling after friday prayer is not definition of jehadi...lolz!

    if govt has not banned a news paper then you can go and file a petition against it.

    ayesha jalal's tussle is with army, nothing to do with taliban?

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:55 #
  49. netengr
    blocked

    long hair guys selling Alqalm and Zabemomin belongs to Jihadi groups ,if you bet I can take their picture when I would visit Pakistan ,Also I can show you one residential apartment where Taliban from Waziristan sitting at the gate and rangers chowki on the same roof :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 5:59 #
  50. toamin
    member

    long hair guys selling a news paper is no problem, you can go and sell your version of paper too.

    these madrasa are already sidelined by mainstream, people don't look up to them for leadership or solutions.

    power is already in the hands of seculars who have failed to solve even basic problems of country.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 6:04 #

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