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  1. toamin
    member

    جی وی صاحب

    قرآن کو جب آپ مانتے ہی نہیں تو میں کیوں اپنا وقت ضایع کروں؟

    بحث کا کوئی مقصد و ہدف بھی تو ہو؟ جب ہمارا کوئی مشترکہ معیار ہی نہیں تو بحث کاہے کی؟

    آپ اللہ اور اس کے آخری رسول کو نہ مانیں، آپ کا ذاتی معاملہ ہے، کوئی زبردستی نہیں، لیکن اگر قرآن و حدیث پر بات کریں گے تو میں ضرور سوال اٹھاؤں گا، کیونکہ یہ زیادہ ضروری ہے کہ مانا جائے کہ قرآن اللہ تعالیٰ کا فرمان ہے

    جب آپ یہ مانیں گے تو پھر ہمارے میں ایک بنیادی قدر مشترک ہوگی اور بات اگی کسی ہدف کی جانب بڑھے گی

    لیکن آپ کہتے ہو کہ میرا ذاتی معاملہ ہے تو پھر نہ پڑیں اس بحث میں، کوئی آپ کو زبردستی تھوڑی گھسیٹ کر لاتا ہے

    آپ اپنا ذاتی معاملہ اپنے تک رکھیں، اس طرح عوام میں آکر بحث نہ کریں

    اور ہاں آپ کی نفسیاتی بیماری والی تحریر مجھے یاد ہے، آپ کی کم ظرفی دیکھ کر افسوس تو ہوا، لیکن اچھا ہوا کہ آپ کے دل کا بغض و عناد واضح ہوگیا

    Posted 10 months ago on 23 Jul 2011 10:56 #
  2. gv
    Member

    @salam

    repeating something over and over again does not make it true you know

    anyway forget it lets not bore everyone else with this circular debate.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 13:31 #
  3. @salam

    Bijli hey nahi country main or app and alikes chaley hain khilafat establish kurney? lol....dont you think at the moment our country which is trapped in number of serious issues should rather focus on getting and providing the basic necessities of life to ppl?

    Let the rich arabs in rich arab lands first try to establish Khilafat then afterwards we will follow them!

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 17:47 #
  4. 2011pakistan
    Member

    khilafat issue is very close in nature of today's kingdoms particularly Arab Kingdoms.

    To save their family rules and to convert the attention of people , Arab kingdoms have cleverly promoted an idea of khilafat.

    Promoters of khilafat idealism in today world live in day time dreams.

    Muslims early 30 years were khilafat period, later all were turned to be kingdoms/family rules like Saudi family rule today.

    Let us try to learn how to live in reality ?

    Muslims have already suffered a lot from Umayad rule and Abbasi rule.

    Family rules have given our past history full of blood and massacre.

    We should learn from non Muslims particularly from Chinese according to holy words from our Prophet Mohammad PBUH.

    We should refrain from obsolete ideas and dreams.
    Let us get rid of our dark ages and be productive member of civilized society.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 19:39 #
  5. 2011pakistan

    We should refrain from obsolete ideas and dreams.
    Let us get rid of our dark ages and be productive member of civilized society, your above post indicates that you are focused on Islam.

    Now here you have to be very explicit about 'absolute ideas' and 'dark ages'.

    I am all ears my dear...............

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 19:55 #
  6. And I do mean it. Absulute ideas and dark ages...explain.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:01 #
  7. 2011pakistan
    Member

    dark ages in Muslim history begins soon after last Khilafat of Hazrat Ali RAU,

    internal disputes and family rules spread havoc in the sense that our history reflects blood, war and havoc. Shia Sunni fight divided Muslims in two groups having bloody fights with each other.

    This is fact that non Muslims have not killed Muslims that much as compare to Muslims died due to internal fights/wars/disputes.

    take the example of Mughal empires in India, during all their rule Mughal ruler family engaged in family disputes which lead to slavery under East India Company.

    First four Khulafa are pure khilafat in my view,
    dark ages of Muslim begins with the end of fourth Khilafat till today.

    I wish Muslims get the right path, flourish and become a prominent , educated, productive, civilized and developed nation in the world.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:19 #
  8. Oh, got it brother. No doubts on Khulfa-e-Rashideen and their stand for chosen by ijmah/ or in a modern sense, elected Khalifas. Thanks brother, you really did solved a problem.
    What about absolute ideas and dark ages, brother?

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:24 #
  9. scandinavian
    Member

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    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:35 #
  10. 2011pakistan
    Member

    My dear S.E Mirza,

    I am Muslim, 100% believe from my heart in Allah, the Nabiul Mursaleen, thoroughly studied Muslim History, having above average knowledge about Islam, Muslims,and very much disappointed from the past and the current state of affairs.(khulafae Rashedeen period exempted)

    I wish we the Muslims become most honorable and respectful nation in the world . This is my dream but fact is that the Muslims today are living in very bad affairs.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:35 #
  11. @2011pakistan
    Brother, great as I would say. I do apologize in case I have hurt feelings of a patriot brother like you, and ofcourse more than me as a patriot, even beyond my immaginations. Pls do forgive me brother.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 20:48 #
  12. 2011pakistan
    Member

    My dear S.E. Mirza,

    Its OK.
    I also respect your ideas.

    Posted 10 months ago on 24 Jul 2011 21:05 #

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