Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Video: Israelis/Zionists excavate graves of the Prophet's companions in Jerusalem
20-August-2010
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Party time for wahabi's!
Lanatullah alay on these zionist a-hole and those who're on their manhaj...
Haven't the Saudis been doing the same for ages?
(But then maybe this explains it...)
UmeR. do your really think Allah Talha will let them get away with this unpunished? I have grave doubts myself that such will the case. In other words, count this as the beginning of the end for both the I Zionists and any
Wahabis who might be rejoicing over this execrable act of sacrilege. The Ruling House of Saud included, as nota's link suggests. I have a similar link myself on my hard drive, but this is explicit enough.
shimatoree
Member
The desecration of the graves of the Suhhaba and the Prophet's relatives has been going on for quite sometime in Saudi Arabia at the direction of the Saudi Govt.
They are far ahead in this matter. And they claim that it is the right thing to do according to Islam.
Personal Observation of them doing so in fact was obtained by no less a person than Jalal Ale Ahmad when he went for Hajj with 85 year old mother. His younger brother was actually killed for objecting to the practice.
@ MG
How have you been, and how's ramadan going? Anyway, no I do not think these scums of the earth will go unpunished even in this life (as punishment in the life hereafter is a certainty). And people may think Zaid hamid is a crazy nut, but I believe what he says, sooner or later Muslims will Inshallah rise again, and will avenge the blood of their brothers, which is quite apparent on the hands of Al Yahud and Al Saud.
UmeR, Thanks, I'm well enough and Ramadan is a time of great introspection. But this year, on top of everything, we are all terribly perturbed over the floods and the victims. I'm sure you share this concern.
As for Zaid Hamid, much of what he has said is very much to the point. And when the Ummah is finally revived as it should be, we'll do exactly what you say above. Get even with the true enemies of Islam.
BTW: on a happier note, as each evening draws to a close, I always take a moment off to go and listen to the Nasheed corner in our F & R. It helps one to fall asleep with a somewhat lighter heart.
@ MG
Yup, I do share your concerns, did you happen to read the comments on youtube videos related to floods in Pakistan? That really angered me, those a-hole ignorant westerners laughing and praying for the death of Pakistanis. I wish we had a president who has a heart. And who wouldn't have made us a laughing stock.
And really? I thought no one paid attention to those nasheeds. Anyway, I've found a lot more beautiful nasheeds, so I will share them, then...
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I was reading para 2 of Quran today. I found the Ayahs about 'Qisas' in them.
I was shocked soon after, when I 'realized' how blatantly many Muslims have abandoned/sidelined obedience to ALLAH ALMIGHTY, of Quran-o-Sunnah.
azeem20
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for those who are pro wahibis etc. kindly search history on who was lawrance of arabia, how did they divide usmania state into further states, who was bin baaz, who were sauds actually, what happened to kind abdul aziz when he tried to demolish Roza e Mubarak, what happened to his eyes? history has answers.
it is thier plan to make the new generation unfamiliar to historical sights, areas etc.
strange if you go to riyadh, there is a museum with belongings of their kings etc. but there is no museum of belonging of sahaba karam and prophet (sallalahu alehe wasallum)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Come on people. Stop with your 'attitude' 'problem' of 'laying blame'.
I want people to focus their constructive efforts in making decisions, taking actions, that prevent this nonsense from happening, from continuing.
Hussain Farooqui
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The bandit King Abdul Aziz had ordered the demolition of Masjid-e-Nabvi too. It was the great role of Ali Bros. that deterred the the bandit King from doing that. May Allah bless the souls of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauher and Maulana Shaukat Ali. They activated the Muslims of Turkey, Afghanistan and the Indian subcontinent to launch a military campaign against the Saudis. The strongest warning was given to Abdul Aziz by the Turks. Realizing the possibility of Turks' revival through this motivation, the British feared the situation. They advised the bandit King to stop his activity of ruining the construction of Masjid-e-Nabvi.
We need personalities like Ali Bros. to deter Israel from carrying out its irreverent activities.
HF, I'm so glad you've once again reminded us of the greatness of the Ali Bros. They were indeed models of what Muslims expect from their ulema and religious leaders. May Allah Talha give us many more like them.
zingaro
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My dears .. I need one clarification ... I am not defending anyone here as every one has to answer his own deeds.
Is there any difference in Demolishing the tombs and excavation of graves, in the nature of act.
@azeem .. dear brother I am interested to know as what happened to Abdulaziz .. please share here for our information.
Abdul Rahman
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If the Masjid was old and graves were dug later and someone buried, then it is incumbent to exhume and relocate the bones or whatever remains in the graves to a nearby graeyard but if the Masjid was built later and graves were already there then the Masjid should be demolished.
Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:
“Those people are such that if a pious man amongst them died, they build a place of worship over his grave and paint these pictures in it. Those people will be Allah's worst creatures on the Day of Resurrection.”
“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as Masjids; I forbid you to do that.”
So the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) pointed out consequently that the worst of all creation according to Allah are those who build Masjids upon graves and he warned against this act of theirs.
Hence, this implies and indicates that if a Masjid is located in the place of a grave or many graves, the Salaah must not be performed at such a place and there is no difference whether it has a single grave or more. Also if there is a Masjid that has been built afterwards upon the graves, it is an obligation to demolish that Masjid. The graves must be left in their normal apparent state with no building construction upon them. As this was the condition of all the graves in the time of the Messenger of Allaah ,(sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) at the graveyard of Baqee and others. The graves should be left in their normal apparent state, there is no construction done upon them, there are no domes built upon them, there are no Masjids built upon them, and all praise is due to Allah for this great bounty of His.
However, regarding a Masjid that is old, and at the time of its construction there were no graves present within it, and then afterwards a grave or graves were built inside, then that grave or graves must be exhumed and dug up and the deceased moved to the public graveyard where there are no domes, no Masjids, and no constructions upon the graves. Then this old Masjid will once again be free from graves so that the people may be able to perform their Salaah in it.
With regards to some ignorant people who stipulate the permissibility of graves being allowed in Masjids due to the presence of the Prophet’s (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) grave and his two noble companions (radhi-yAllaahu 'anhumaa) graves being part of his (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) Masjid, then this can not be presented as an argument or proof, because the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) and his two noble companions (radhi-yAllaahu 'anhumaa) were buried in his (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) house and not inside the Masjid. But when Alwaleed bin Abul-Malik bin Marwaan decided to expand the Prophet’s (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) Masjid, he included the house of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) as part of the Masjid, due to his intended extension. Alwaleed bin Abdul-Malik bin Marwaan committed an error when he did this, and what was obligatory upon him was not to include the house of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) as part of the Masjid so that the ignorant people would not be able to use this as evidence, and others that may advance themselves with this argument and present similar doubts. Without a doubt the people of knowledge rejected and refuted Alwaleed bin Abdul-Malik bin Marwaan with regards to this action of his. So therefore it is not permissible to follow Alwaleed bin Abdul-Malik bin Marwaan by building Masjids upon graves.
Furthermore, no assumptions should be made by anyone regarding the grave of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) that this action permits construction upon graves or building graves inside Masjids. This is because the house of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) was a separate house separated from the Masjid that was included and made part of the Masjid for the need of expanding it. So the real condition of the Prophet’s (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) grave was just like the graveyard that can be found opposite his Masjid, separate from it, in which there is no harm, and this was the actual state of the Prophet’s (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) grave separated by a wall and barriers.
kkalame
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Why are we suffering such indignity all over the world. Taunted and tormented. I believe it has to do with what's within us. Not outside. Take the incident on August 15 in Sialkot. I am at loss for words over the brutal murder of two teenage students of Murray College, the alma mater of Allama Iqbal and Faiz Ahmed Faiz. These could have been my kids these could have been your kids. Murdred brutally in front of the mob, in front of the police in broad day light. No one had the courage to stop it. The killers will be brought to justice. But will we still remain a cowardly people with no respect or self respect.
We can beat and maim our women but we are not men enough to stop brutality when we see it. Cowards we are. The cowards of Sialkot. You have lowered the heads of Allama Iqbal and Faiz Ahmed Faiz in shame. The cowards of Pakistan. Jinnah is ashamed of us. He turns in his grave. There will be retribution for this cowardice. One too many women have been dishonored in public, one too many non muslims murdered in the name of religion. Remember the two christian brothers. Remember Mukhtara mai. Shame on us. Shame on me.
I confess. I am one of those who feel concerned about the image of Pakistan every time something like this happens. But I am glad, this came on TV. This time more than ever before, Pakistanis have been exposed as the cowardly low lives that they really are. Nothing matters. We should be treated like crap all over the world we deserve it. We should have our houses bombed by foreign forces aided by our own government from our own soil. We deserve it.
And we thought our rulers are bad. We are worse. We don't even deserve the rulers we have today. They are angles compared to us.
The video footage of the brutal murder is given below. You want to see yourself in a mirror then click on it. This is who we are.
Greater brutality has transpired countless times elsewhere in the world, not to mention right next door. But that does not lessen the sorrow an iota. Try telling that to the father and mother of the slain kids. Imagine they were your kids and then try telling this to yourself.
The news channels have moved on already. We are left in the company of our own wretched selves.
@ AR
Please don't bullsh!t people, in the month of Ramadan.
Why you going around in circles, just give a big thumbs up to jews on there good work, and move on. And have good night sleep fantasizing about the destruction of the graves of the sahaba...
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/what-pakistan-what-musims/page/2#post-161806
Abdul Rahman
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Umer, What do you mean Ramadan? Ramadan is the ideal month to warn people to stop grave worship. Forget about the dead in the graves and think how you can help the ones who are living in circumstances worst than being dead.
Don't take the Zionist pigs case here. They are demolishing graves as well as Masjids and homes and the whole country. It is party time for those cowards who shy away from Jihad. Stop worrying about the graves when live ones are buried alive in occupied lands. This also has nothing to do with the Saudis who are aligned with the Zionist thugs.
Structures and graves are NOT important when live ones are killed daily. Once Umer RA was kissing the hijre aswad and said: I am doing this as I saw Prophet SAS do the same. This stone has no significance. The blood or life of a single Muslim is more sacred to me than this hijre aswad. Got the point?
@ AR
Yeah! that's why I said, give a thumbs up to jews, they stopped Muslims from grave worshiping, see how they care for Muslims, and all you people have is conspiracy theories attached to them. And Ramadan is also an ideal month, to look into oneself and for once stop accusing the Ummah of Shirk, and look into the other side of the story.
"Structures and graves are NOT important when live ones are killed daily. Once Umer RA was kissing the hijre aswad and said: I am doing this as I saw Prophet SAS do the same. "
Ahan, so if that is the case go ahead and demolish the Kaabah (nauzbillah) and throw away the Hajre Aswad (astaghfirullah), as how do you know people are not worshipping that building and not Allah(swt), and how do you know what is in people's hearts when they kiss the Hajre-e-Aswad, they might be having the belief that this stone on its own can wash away their sins. Now go ahead and save the Ummah from Shirk. And also go ahead and help jews bring down the Masjid al alqsa. As that is one of the main reason Palestinians are being killed in thousands, are you not aware, jews want to build their kings (dajjal's) throne there, so go ahead and make that job easy for the jews, as Masjid al alqsa is a structure, which according to your opinion has no importance in Islam.
And if you would bother reading the link I pasted above, that answers many of the ahadith you've used to support your twisted logic of destroying graves and masajids.
Abdul Rahman
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Umer, What you are concerned is graves. Right? You have not opened any thread so far to discuss the plight of the oppressed Muslims living (not yet dead) which is worst than desecration of graves in occupied lands under the boots of the Zionists. When Muslim lands are occupied it is fard ain to wage Jihad until the liberation of Muslim lands. It is not fard ain to protect the graves.
First let us liberate the lands under the clutches of the Zionists and then we can discuss about the graves. Muslims under Sultan Mohammad first liberated the capital of Byzantine-Istanbul and then they went and found the grave of Abu Ayub Ansari RA and restored it. Remember Abu Ayub Ansari RA was the Sahabi where Prophet SAS stayed during his first visit to Madinah. Abu Ayub RA went to Jihad at age 80 under Mauwiyah RA and was shaheed in campaigns to liberate Constantinople around 700 AD but his grave was not discovered until 1457. There were thousands of Sahaba Karaam alive at that time of death of Abu Ayub RA but they were not worried about the status of the grave of one of the dearest companions of Prophet SAS. The grave was under the control of Byzantine Christians for 700 years until Sultan liberated Istanbul in 1457. The Zionists are in now in control of Jerusalem for 60 year. So don't worry about the graves just worry about liberation. Unfortunately Abu Ayub's grave has now become similar to a Dargah just like Indo-Pak. I was there and saw the ignorant Turks making same mistakes like they do at data durbar.
@ AR
"Umer, What you are concerned is graves. Right? You have not opened any thread so far to discuss the plight of the oppressed Muslims living (not yet dead) which is worst than desecration of graves in occupied lands under the boots of the Zionists."
So is this what it has come down to, you'd now judge a person on what threads he has opened? And if I have not opened any thread condemning the oppression of Muslims, so does that mean I condone the oppression of Muslims? Well, FYI I didn't even open any thread attacking the monstrosity of the Al Saud destroying the graves of the pious, it is you people who keep on bringing this issue, to get a kick out of it by doing takfir of the majority of the Ummah on it's basis.
And everyone here was just condemning the monstrosity of the zionist jews, but you thought it was your 'moral' responsibility to defend their acts with the support of misinterpretation of the ahadith of Rasulallah(saw).
Abdul Rahman
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Umer, Please don't divert the topic saying someone is defending Zionist thugs. As a matter of fact you and others talking about grave sanctity rather than Jihad are defending and supporting the Zionist thugs long term ambitions. Those monstrous Zionists will love to see us preoccupied with sanctity of graves and its restoration. They know very well more than us that the more we are concerned about graves the less we are interested in major obligation-fard ain to do jihad and recover the occupied lands. The Zionists are having party time when we engage in these worthless debates. I would say discussing the sanctity of graves at a time when the first qibla at Bait al Maqdis is under brutal occupation is what Quran describes as vain talk.
@ AR
"Please don't divert the topic saying someone is defending Zionist thugs occupation. "
Read your first post, it was nothing more than an apologetic stunt for the crimes of Al Saud and Al Yahud.
"Those monstrous Zionists will love to see us preoccupied with sanctity of graves and its restoration. They know very well more than us that the more we are concerned about graves the less we are interested in major obligation"
Please give this sermon to your brethren. There were like 2-3 threads opened on the destruction of graves, by the people who subscribe to the same ideology as yours. And I agree, zionists would be loving that, when of all the bad that is happening in the world, those bigots only see their salvation in the destruction of graves of the pious.
"I would say discussing the sanctity of graves at a time when the first qibla at Bait al Maqdis is under brutal occupation is what Quran describes as vain talk."
Didn't you just say, structures have no importance in Islam. Now how is it that suddenly you realize that Bait ul maqdis has been occupied, while you should be busy in jihad against the oppressors of the Muslims?
The fast is about to end, so I'll leave you with the hadith of Hazrat Umar(ra):
‘Umar said (to ‘Abdullah), “Go to ‘Aisha (the mother of the believers) and say: “Umar is paying his salutation to you. But don’t say: ‘The chief of the believers,’ because today I am not the chief of the believers. And say: “Umar bin Al-Khattab asks the permission to be buried with his two companions (i.e. the Prophet, and Abu Bakr).” Abdullah greeted ‘Aisha and asked for the permission for entering, and then entered to her and found her sitting and weeping. He said to her, “‘Umar bin Al-Khattab is paying his salutations to you, and asks the permission to be buried with his two companions.” She said, “I had the idea of having this place for myself, but today I prefer Umar to myself.” When he returned it was said (to ‘Umar), “‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar has come.” ‘Umar said, “Make me sit up.” Somebody supported him against his body and ‘Umar asked (’Abdullah), “What news do you have?” He said, “O chief of the believers! It is as you wish. She has given the permission.” ‘Umar said, “Praise be to Allah, there was nothing more important to me than this."
If graves of the pious had no Importance in Islam, Why would Hazrat Umar(ra) say that "nothing was more important to him" - than to be buried near them (Rasulallah(saw) and Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique) ?
t/c
oh, UmeR, we are back with the shirk lobby, are we? Although, I must say, AR has a better argument than most about why we should concentrate on Jihad rather than the precious graves of our pious.
Still, since no one at all is preparing to do Jihad in any form (remember Sheikh Tauseef: "watani" Jihad - unpleasing to Allah, mali jihad - unpleasing to Allah, the only Jihad Allah would accept being the destruction of Ali Hujweri's monument?), this argument does not really hold water either.
We Muslims are good at fasting, splendid at intellectual fencing and nil at fighting, with the exception of the great warriors of the Afghan Resistance.
Abdul Rahman
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Umer, You don't get the point. Who says graves are not important but when the lives of live Muslim are at stake the grave restoration takes a back seat. "Bait ul maqdis has been occupied" means much more than physical occupation my friend. This is not just a standing structure. It is symbolic statement to say about Bait Al Maqdis. Even a child will know that it includes wholescale economic, mental, physical and spritual desecration of a LIVE place of worship where both "men" and "jinns" pray 24X7X365. Are you comfortable when Zionists only allow men over age 60 to pray Jumah prayer and bar the young ones to pray mandatory congregational prayers? How do you feel when those old men pass through barbed wire under the guns of the Zionists every time they go to Masjid Al Aqsa? How do you feel when Zionist humiliate your mothers and sisters from entering the Masjid Al Aqsa?
For God's sake don't compare it with graves where pious dead are buried. Your Hadith about the last wish Umer RA for burial next to Prophet SAS has no bearing on the current dire situation of the masjid al aqsa.
kami1232
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BTW Ali bros were deobandies i.e wahabies. i think deobandies
are also wahabies arent they?
Abdul Rahman
Member
Hey Kami, Please stop using that British coined word "Wahabi". The British as you know call everyone by their first name. But they could not ridicule the first name of Mohammad Abdul Wahab- May Allah have mercy on his soul. They started using his last name "Wahab" to ridicule his teachings of Tawheed. This has nothing to do with Saudi dacoits who came much later and fooled the masses who believed that there will be a genuine Islamic state but they had hidden intention of establishing monarcy which they did.
If you use the word Wahabi ina derogatory mannner you are insulting the attribute of Allah SBT. It is worse sin you can imagine but the mostly non- Arabic speakers in indo-pak use that word freely as a fashion.
kami1232
Member
^^^ No AR i have not used it in derogatory manner.I just asked a question to up date my knowledge a little bit. Any one willing to answer?
So, AR, if they are not Wahabis, what should we call them? And we in Pakistan have been taught since childhood that this particular sect was promoted by the Brits themselves to bring about division in the Muslim ranks.
For us the Saudi dacoits and the deviant sect are inseperable. If we're wrong, please to explain. Ând please to answer the first question, too. If not Wahabis, then what should we call them?
BTW: soon we might be landing on the Faith and Religion section of the blog, if we carry on this way. It's one of the most interesting parts of this website.
kami, as far as I know, and I'm no specialist in the matter, Deobandi is the name of the Subcontinent Wahabis. But there might be differences between them here and there.
kami1232
Member
Today i am eager to upgrade my knowledge so one more question.
Are deobandis and ahlhadeeth same sect?
Answer: Ahle Sunnah and shia is the same sect.
kami1232
Member
^^^ Bahi plz dont confuse me.I was just referring to MG's post
Come on, BO, don't pull our leg, give us a hand, would you. You know more about these things than most. Kami and I are both trying to learn.
Abdul Rahman
Member
Name calling into sects suited the British colonialists. Unfortunately we inherited that legacy and engage in useless debates. There is no such thing as Brelvi, Wahabi etc. These name calling is doing more harm to Ummah than any external enemies. If one sticks to the name given by Allah SBT in Quran for Believers-Muslims then there will be no problem.
In Russia today, any Muslim who prays 5 times a day and grows a beard is called "Wahhabite". The Russians have divided the Muslims into 2 parts- sufi and wahahbi just like the Rand corporation in US has divided the Muslims into secular, moderate, sufi, wahabi etc. And the naive Muslims use that terminilogy without regards to the extensive damage it is causing in our ranks. These terminolgy is made exclusively to fit their agenda of exploitation and domination. They consider the "sufi" Muslims as closest to them as they kind of preach "peaceful" Islam and the worst enemies for them are so called "Wahabbites" who vehemently oppose their exploitation.
MG.
Please read AR's first post in this thread. He starts of with relocating the bones of the desecrated graves and ends his post on the destruction of mosques. Which in my opinion was a feeble, apologetic defense of this grossly wicked crime of the zionists. Find in his post a word of condemnation for this monstrosity committed by jews, and I'll apologize to him (for a reason I do not know).
Secondly, coming to his argument of concentrating on Jihad, which is nothing more than a diversion tactic. As It is beyond me, that how does condemnation of a crime undermines Jihad. With the same logic we shouldn't have paid any heed to the incident that happened in Sialkot, right?
@ AR
With every post of yours, you drift the thread further away from the topic. You have this wicked logic that, as Muslims are under oppression it is reprehensible to condemn any other crime. Isn't this the crux of your posts?
@ Mg
"kami, as far as I know, and I'm no specialist in the matter, Deobandi is the name of the Subcontinent Wahabis. But there might be differences between them here and there. "
You got that right. And the biggest difference between these two is that Deobandi's do taqlid of one of the Four Imams of fiqh, while salafi/wahabi are followers of Abdul wahabi najdi al tamimi.
Abdul Rahman
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There is no crime worth discussing more than the oppression and killings of Muslims under on going occupation from Palestine to Iraq to Chechnya to Afghanistan to Kashmir. The subject of grave desecration is the real diversionary tactics to shy away from Jihad. Give me ONE evidence in Islamic history when the Sahaba Karaam or Taba Tabaeen resorted to Jihad to protect graves of the dead Muslims?
The enemies are standing at your door and occupying your brotherly countries and you have nerve to discuss topics that Zionists love us to get involved. SubhanAllah
"salafi/wahabi are followers of Abdul wahabi najdi al tamimi.".
This proves your ignorance and hatred of tawheed. Show me any authentic text that proves your warped logic. You will definitely get a rousing reception in Zionist brotherhood.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
hmm...
@MG
Well, I was only helping in identifying the parties in the vs. debate. Deobandi/Ahle Hadith vs. Ahle-Sunnah/Shia with a twist that both Deobandi and Ahl-Sunnah are Hanafis. And, that is just the icing on the cake. *wink*
@ AR
"The subject of grave desecration is the real diversionary tactics to shy away from Jihad. "
Ah, see. You prove my first post to be right. I know why you find it hard to condemn this act of the jews, as this act of the jews is no different then the act of the horn of the Satan (abdul wahab najdi), so you know, if you'll condemn these jews, you'd be in turn condemning your beloved abdul wahabi najdi, innit?
Abdul Rahman
Member
OK, Umer. I give up. Keep venerating the graves of the dead as much as you want.
I would say in this last post as a Muslim is supposed to say in Ramadan to those who engage in useless talk. Assalamu Alaikum.
@ AR
"This proves your ignorance and hatred of tawheed."
Ah, from when did you people equate exposing abdul wahab najdi with the hatred of tawhid? What do you know about tawheed, I know you follow the false tawhid, which is the tawhid of Iblis, as it started with him. Who refused to venerate the friend's of Allah(swt) and became mardood.
"Keep venerating the graves of the dead as much as you want. "
Yeah, don't worry. I will.
W/S
BO, I don't know who has the better sense of humour, you or NNL. Anyway, bravo, everything in our confused minds, Kami's and mine, has been duly clarified now. Henceforth, we'll face the world bravely, knowing exactly who is who.
UmeR, I question Wahabi doctrine as much as you do ever since that Data Durbar discussion. Since then I have heard Muslim scholars telling us in videos posted on Faith and Religion by you and Not Possible all that has come to be classified as shirq by Wahabi molvis. It literally makes one's hair stand on end.
AR, I know Islam is one and indivisible. And all these sectarian divisions are absolute anathema to our faith. I say this with a heavy heart, but the problem is, whereas most of the other sects show quite a bit of tolerance towards one and another, the Wahabis know nothing but condemnation for everyone. They seem to have reduced our Islam to nothing but shirq and in so doing have drifted further and further away from what I regard as the true spirit of Islam. As for Wahabi opposition to West exploitation, I have not seen many signs of it so far. Otherwise Palestine would not have been in the sorry state it finds itself in today.
@MG
For the connection you have been hovering around, please skim thru this book online, The Wahhabi Myth by Haneef J. Oliver.
l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/thewahhabimyth.pdf
Thanks BO. I shall certainly go through the book and get back to you sometime with my impressions and questions, if any arise. I'm very grateful for your kindness.
@ MG
Best of luck for understanding that 'wahabi myth' book, as most of it went over me and also prepare to get amazed with "facts" like Osama bin ladin was a Sufi, and that wahabi's do not believe in killing or violence in the name of God.
And also to those who keep on saying that wahabi was a term coined by Britishers, maybe you do not know about your master abdul wahabi najdi much. As Alhamdulillah he was first refuted from his own family, by his brother (Sulayman Ibn Abdul Wahab) who exposed him in the book labelled: Al-Sawa`iq al-Ilahiyya fi Madhhab al-Wahhabiyya ("The Divine Thunderbolts Concerning the Wahhabi School").
It is not the word that was coined by the Britishers, but it's that cult that was initiated by them.
NNL
member
Had to say it. See yall After Ramadan.
From Sahih Al-Muslim.
Abu Huraira reported: Since I heard three things from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) my love for Banu tamim is never on the decline (and these things are): I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying about them that they would put up stout resistance against Dajjal amongst my Umma. And he (the narrator) said: (When) the consignment of Zakat was brought to him, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is the charity of our people, and there was one slave-girl in the house of 'A'isha and she was from the tribe of Banu tamim; thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Set her free, for she is from the offspring of Isma'il. The other hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira with a slight variation of wording. (Book #031, Hadith #6133)
Abu Huraira reported: There are some distinguishing features of Banu tamim which I heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and my love for them is never on the decline after that and the words are: They are the bravest amongst people in the battlefield and there is no mention of (the word)" Dajjal". (Book #031, Hadith #6134)
From Sahih Al Bukhari.
Narrated Abu Huraira: I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani tamim ever since I heard, three things, Allah's Apostle said about them. I heard him saying, These people (of the tribe of Bani tamim) would stand firm against Ad-dajjal." When the Sadaqat (gifts of charity) from that tribe came, Allah's Apostle said, "These are the Sadaqat (i.e. charitable gifts) of our folk." 'Aisha had a slave-girl from that tribe, and the Prophet said to 'Aisha, "Manumit her as she is a descendant of Ishmael (the Prophet)." (Book #46, Hadith #719)
Narrated Abu Huraira: I have not ceased to like Banu tamim ever since I heard of three qualities attributed to them by Allah's Apostle (He said): They, out of all my followers, will be the strongest opponent of Ad-dajjal; 'Aisha had a slave-girl from them, and the Prophet told her to manumit her as she was from the descendants of (the Prophet) Ishmael; and, when their Zakat was brought, the Prophet said, "This is the Zakat of my people." (Book #59, Hadith #652)
But OH NO!
Bukhari and Muslim were both Wahabi therefore whatever they say are lies and Of course Muhammad ibn Abdullah the rag-head, camel jockey didnt have the ability to prophesize cos he was no prophet. And the best way i can follow Sunnah and show love to Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam is by cursing those whom he showed Mercy upon. That is the best way to follow Sunnah isnt it.
And oh Btw This is the same Dajjal regarding whom MY Nabi was used pray to safe against the trials or Fitn of Dajjal as complied and authenticated by the Wahabi Bukhari (Rahimullah) Narrated Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle used to invoke (Allah): "Allahumma ini a'udhu bika min 'adhabi-l-Qabr, wa min 'adhabi-nnar, wa min fitnati-l-mahya wa-lmamat, wa min fitnati-l-masih ad-dajjal. (O Allah! I seek refuge with you from the punishment in the grave and from the punishment in the Hell fire and from the afflictions of life and death, and the afflictions of Al-Masih Ad-dajjal." (Book #23, Hadith #459)
I dunno .. perhaps the curse on Jews and Xtians fell on the Indo-Pak, Iran-Iraq and Palestine Muslims too ..
From Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1079:
'A'isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said during his illness from which he never recovered: Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians that they took the graves of their prophets as mosques. She ('A'isha) reported: Had it not been so, his (Prophet's) grave would have been in an open place, but it could not be due to the fear that it may not be taken as a mosque.
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Book 004, Number 1080:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let Allah destroy the Jews for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
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Book 004, Number 1081:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
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Book 004, Number 1082:
'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did.
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Book 004, Number 1083:
Jundub reported: I heard from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took Ibrahim as His friend. Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.
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Book 004, Number 2116:
Jabir said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade that the graves should be plastered or they be used as sitting places (for the people), or a building should be built over them.
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Book 004, Number 2117:
A hadith like this has been transmitted on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abdullah.
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