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Did Blackwater/Xe Show Up On The Scene Immediately After The AirBlue Crash

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  1. GORDON DUFF: AMERICANS BELIEVED INVOLVED IN PAKISTAN AIR CRASH, HIJACKING

    The story quotes RoyalTV (which it says is owned by the brother of the head of JI. We know JI has said the same. It says it was an attempted hijacking to try and crash it into Kahuta plant. It goes on to claim it was Xe contractors who recovered the blackbox.

    Personally I think this is too wild a story.

    The only thing we have heard officially is that "there was a third person in the cockpit at the time of the crash" with no more details given.

    But this story makes one more claim that I am interested in:

    This same facility had been the subject of an armed penetration by American contractors, believed to be employed by the State Department, in 2009. Four Blackwater employees, armed and possessing explosives were arrested outside the Kahuta nuclear facility in 2009. The four, driving a Jeep 4×4 and possessing advanced surveillance and jamming equipment of Israeli manufacture, were intercepted 1.5 miles from the Kahuta nuclear facility.

    The four spoke fluent Pushtu and were dressed in a manner as to resemble Taliban fighters. The order for their release, given by Minister of the Interior Rehman Malik, is an issue of considerable controversy between the civilian government in Pakistan and the powerful military.

    Did any one hear about this incident???

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 20:45 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    After that day, there has been little or no coverage of this news.

    But on that day, or on the day after, it was mentioned in Pakistani mass media that the black box was found, and that it was sent abroad for whatever procedure it has to go through, to find info on 'what happened'.

    No mass media coverage on this incident after that, as far as I know. No details were published of the crash, by Govt. of Pakistan or CAA Pakistan, or Air Blue.

    Nothing. I hear absolutely nothing about it now.

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 20:58 #
  3. @hariskhan
    This is the only thing I have heard that I was talking about above:
    DAWN: ‘Airblue cockpit had a third person’

    Oh yes, and one more. The Airbus CEO saying (already before any investigation has reached a conclusion): "No Fault In AirBlue Plane"

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 21:07 #
  4. Did any one hear about this incident???

    The four I believe are mentioned in this report:

    ISLAMABAD – Despite the fact that Americans have been permanently housed near Pakistani nuclear installations at Kahuta since 2003 in the guise of imparting training at the Police College Sihala, neither the military nor the PPP regime has dared to dislodge them.
    According to reliable sources, the PPP government paid no attention at all to the hue and cry raised by senior police officials against the dubious movements and installation of the American trainers.
    It has been learnt that some senior police officials have been continuously raising questions on the quality of training courses being offered by the Americans to the senior police recruits. The officials at the same time claimed that Pakistani police officials could impart much better training courses than that the Americans were providing at present.
    But the government turned a deaf ear to all these concerns of senior police officials and made no efforts to close the American training base allegedly involved in monitoring Pakistani nuclear activities.
    Police officials, on condition of anonymity asked that even if this training by Americans was necessary at all, why had this very sensitive area been chosen and why this training has continued, risking the secrecy and sensitivity of nuclear installations of the country. They were of the view that Americans had no interest in the area except the intention to monitor the activities at the Kahuta nuclear sites.
    Therefore, the sources observed that the government should immediately review this policy of allowing effectively an American base inside the Sihala Police College just nine kilometres away from the sensitive installations of Kahuta.
    Pakistani authorities have enough evidence that implicates US diplomats and trainers in spying on Kahuta, one of the prime nuclear facilities in the country.
    What is stunning for most Pakistanis is that elements in the elected government, and especially the Interior Ministry, appear to be facilitating the Americans despite protests from police and intelligence officials.
    The issue brings into question, once again, the role of Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik. A trail of internal ministry documents sharply bring Mr. Malik’s role into focus, especially in a case where his ministry appears to have permitted US defense contractors to conduct suspicious activities on Pakistani soil without informing Pakistani intelligence agencies. Those activities have included allowing at least one US defense contractor to conduct a large scale recruitment of retired Pakistani military officers.
    In 2003, the government of former president Pervez Musharraf allowed the Americans to establish a police training facility within the police college at Sihala, a few kilometers away from the Khan Research Laboratories, one of Pakistan’s premier nuclear research centers.
    In a report titled, US Spying On Kahuta Since 2003, Pakistan’s The Nation newspaper revealed the following on Oct. 23:
    Despite the fact that Americans have been permanently housed near Pakistani nuclear installations at Kahuta since 2003 in the guise of imparting training at the Police College Sihala, neither the military nor the PPP regime has dared to dislodge them. According to reliable sources, the PPP government paid no attention at all to the hue and cry raised by senior police officials against the dubious movements and installation of the American trainers. It has been learnt that some senior police officials have been continuously raising questions about the quality of training courses being offered by the Americans to the senior police recruits. These officials say that Pakistani police trainers could impart much better training than that the Americans. But the government turned a deaf ear to all these concerns of senior police officials and made no efforts to close the American training base allegedly involved in monitoring Pakistani nuclear activities.
    Several senior police officials are asking, on condition of anonymity, that even if this training by the Americans was necessary, why had this very sensitive area been chosen and why this training has continued, risking the secrecy and sensitivity of nuclear installations of Pakistan. They were of the view that the Americans had no interest in the area except the intention to monitor the activities at the Khan Research Lab in Kahuta.
    The Commandant Police Training College Sihala, Mr. Nasir Khan Durrani, wrote a letter on Aug. 15 to senior Pakistani police officers drawing their attention to the suspicious activities of American ‘trainers’ at Sihala. Mr. Durrani is widely respected within the officer corps of Pakistan’s police service. Some of his ideas, like Rescue 15, were implemented nationwide.
    Durrani’s letter was not without basis. In his report, titled, Agency wants survey of site to assess equipment, Mr. Ansar Abbasi, editor investigations at The News International, revealed that there was some evidence that radiation measurement equipment has been installed by the Americans at the training facility. He reported that US diplomats have been caught making frequent visits to the facility, attempting at one point to get into the high security perimeter around Kahuta. Amazingly, someone from FIA, the interior minister’s former employer and a lead civilian spy agency, helped release the arrested American diplomats.
    An excerpt from Mr. Abbasi’s report:
    Pakistani authorities suspect that Americans involved in training of the Punjab Police at the Sihala Police College may have been involved in espionage near the Kahuta nuclear site located close by. However, US diplomats strongly deny this.
    A credible government source said at least one Pakistani security agency has clearly indicated in its report submitted to the government that the Americans might have installed radiation detection devices at their Anti-Terrorism Assistance Programme (ATAP) camp situated in the college to monitor activities in the Kahuta nuclear site.
    “Concerned authorities may be asked for a joint survey of the ATAP Camp by incorporating technical experts to assess if any interception equipment to detect radioactive rays has been installed or not,” the report said.
    The report also revealed that following US pressure, the Ministry of Interior vide its letter number 1/41/2003-Police dated June 29 also granted a no objection certificate (NoC) for import of explosive material by the office of the ATAP.
    Like the case of Inter-Risk, now banned, the Interior Ministry issued the NoC for the import of explosives without getting any security clearance from the intelligence agencies.
    Interestingly, initially the Interior Ministry decided to issue the NoC but it was subject to clearance by two intelligence agencies — the ISI and the IB — which sought clarification about the quantity and type of explosive and detail of courses.
    Consequently, the Sihala College administration was approached, which sought details from the ATAP camp. But instead of providing the details, Robert A Clark and Bob of the ATAP Camp contacted the US embassy, which used its influence and managed to get the NoC bypassing the rules.
    The ATAP base camp is located just nine kilometres away from the Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) and housed within the premises of the Sihala college but even the commandant of the college is not allowed to go there. Of late, the US embassy wanted additional space apparently for training purposes but the Punjab government refused to oblige the Americans.
    Top authorities in the Punjab government also confirmed to The News that US Ambassador Anne Patterson not only personally met Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif but also wrote to him requesting for additional space at the Sihala college.
    They offered additional training to the Punjab Police in the field of firearms and raids. “But we politely refused to offer any additional space,” the source confided to The News, admitting that serious questions are being raised about the presence and conduct of US trainers already present at the Sihala college. A senior spokesman for the Punjab, when approached, confirmed this.
    Interestingly, in the last several months no training course for the police officials has been conducted by the ATAP at the college, but American’s presence is well pronounced. Commander of the police academy Nasir Khan Durrani also formally wrote to the top authorities in the Punjab to express his concerns over the activities of the ATAP officials.
    Sources also said that US embassy officials were also found visiting the camp quite regularly. They revealed that two Americans working at the Sihala ATAP Camp along with four other Americans of the US embassy were intercepted near Kahuta in July 2009 by security officials of the KRL.
    They were detained for 2-3 hours as they could not satisfy the KRL security personnel regarding their visit to the sensitive region.
    However, a retired assistant director of the FIA, working with Americans at the ATAP Camp, was sent to take them back who, introducing himself as an FIA officer, freed the Americans and took them back to the camp. The sources disclosed that those Americans along with Pakistani staff riding on 4×4 vehicle, tried to trespass into the restricted area of Kahuta.
    The Interior Ministry spokesman was not available to offer any comment on suspected spying of the country’s nuclear programme by Americans or to explain why the Interior Ministry issued an NoC to the Americans for the import of explosive material without getting clearance from security agencies.
    The Interior Ministry spokesman, Rashid Mazari, never returns any call from The News. He was contacted by different staffers of The News Investigative Wing during recent weeks but he never responded.
    The suspicions of Mr. Durrani, Commandant Police Training College Sihala, turn out to be legitimate. Mr. Durrani might have expected to be rewarded for keeping a vigil on the country’s vital interests. To his surprise, instead of a citation, Mr. Durrani was reprimanded by the Federal Interior Ministry.
    On Oct. 22, The Nation published a report whose title, Rehman Malik Defends US interests, warns Durrani, said it all.
    Excerpt:
    The Interior Ministry is browbeating the Commandant Police Training College Sihala as to why he has written a letter to the Punjab, Inspector General of Police (IGP), expressing his concerns over the presence of US security officials in the premises of the institute, the sources told TheNation.
    Sources privy to the developments said that the Ministry was annoyed with Nasir Khan Durrani, Commandant Police Training College Sihala as to why he had written a letter to IGP seeking clarification from the Interior Ministry and Foreign Office about the terms and conditions of US security officials’ presence as well as the duration of their stay in the college premises.
    The sources said that the Ministry had expressed its displeasure over the action of Commandant and in its reply to the IGP it was stated that the matter could have been discussed verbally and there was no need to write about it.
    According to Ministry sources, the Interior Minister, Rehman Malik in his harsh reply to the IGP made it clear that US security officials would not be relocated from the centre and directed him to hush up the matter and stop propagating against it, otherwise Durrani would have to face the music.
    The Ministry was also critical of leakage of such sensitive and confidential information to media and directed the IGP to keep secrecy of such sensitive matters in the larger interest of the state, the sources further disclosed.
    Nasir Khan Durrani had written a letter to IGP on 15th of August that on the concurrence of Interior Ministry, US security officials were using the site which was part of the college and now it had become a “no go” area for the college administration.
    In the letter, it was also said that high explosive material was stored within the premises of the site under the possession of US personnel, which was a security risk for the trainees of the college.
    It is pertinent to mention here that Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) are only a few kilometres away from the Sihala College and it is suspected that Americans had installed sensitive monitoring equipments to monitor the activities of KRL.
    The spokesman and Public Relations Officer (PRO) of the Ministry were contacted for comments; the spokesman was not available for comments while PRO replied that he was admitted in the hospital and thus unable to comment on the issue.
    The US Embassy in Islamabad, under a new policy of aggressively countering what it alleges to be ‘anti-Americanism’, responded to these accusations but conveniently kept silent on the alarming incident of the arrest of US diplomats in July as they tried to survey the area around Kahuta.
    The evidence is piling up that the present ‘elected’ government in Islamabad is racing against time to plant enough Americans inside Pakistan to counter the Pakistani military and the country’s strong intelligence setup.

    http://thecurrentaffairs.com/us-spying-on-kahuta-research-laboratories.html

    Perhaps the mentioned 'four Pakistanis' are the same blackwater mercenaries dressed as Taliban!

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 22:23 #
  5. Pakistan’s spy chief Lt. General Shuja Pasha reportedly gave proofs of CIA’s involvement into destabilizing/terrorist activities in Pakistan. According to some assessments US mercenaries with support of “˜locally recruited agents’ are behind the targeted killings of senior Pakistani military officers in past few months.
    In the current scenario it is irrelevant who gave permission, freedom of movement and a base in Police Training College few miles from the “Kahuta Nuclear Plant” to US private mercenaries (Black Water/Xe) in Pakistan. The most important question is what Rehman Malik and Zardari are doing about it?
    According to reports 4 US nationals, who were dressed in Taliban clothes, speaking Pashto were arrested by the police approximately 1.5 miles from the Kahuta Nuclear Plant. They were carrying explosives and hand grenades in dozens in a 4×4 jeep with some kind of spying and jamming equipments. When they were brought to the police station people from Rehman Malik’s Interior Ministry and allegedly Salman Faruqui Zardari’s NRO partner and beneficiary got these criminals released without charge and handed over to the US embassy.”
    Lawyers from the local bar associations protested out side the secret base of US mercenaries (Xe/Black Water) placed inside “˜Sehala’ Police Training College. Event the head of the college a senior DIG was not allowed in the US facility. That reminded me of an incident when reportedly military dictator General Ayub Khan’s Minister Foreign Affairs none other but Zulifkar Ali Bhutto, father in law of President Zardari wanted to visit US Base in Peshawar. His request was turned down by the base commander and he was turned away from the canteen. Soon after a US spy plane U2 was shot down in the soviet air space and pilot was taken into custody. Which obviously resulted in shutting down of the base as well as daily U” flights.

    http://www.daily.pk/blackwater-al-capone-comes-to-pakistan-13985/

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 22:33 #
  6. @semirza
    Thanks!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 22:33 #
  7. @nota
    You are most welcome.

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 22:36 #
  8. @semirza
    Let's not forget now these guys have a completely free hand with no background checks as Hussain Haqqani has got his wish

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 22:39 #
  9. Vetting is a vital procedure instrumental/effective towards exposing under cover intelligence operatives. Sadly this has been completely sidelined both internally and externally by Rahman Malik and Hussain Haqqani while dealing with Americans or British subjects. Both should be indicted and tried for treason. We should not regard them as Pakistanis at all.

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 23:03 #
  10. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Mirza sb. I agree.

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 23:18 #
  11. @semirza
    Agree (and never did consider them Pakistanis). We are "ashamed" of our cricketers -- not that it is wrong -- but what about shameful fellas like those two and the Gilanis and Zardaris and Awans and Khosas and Sharifs and the likes? They deserve our spite a LOT more...

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 23:23 #
  12. None from the mentioned above are decent, honorable, principled beings due to acute character degradation. Presided over by an imbecile and led by a fake PIR they are not human any more but mere zombies feeding on flesh and blood of their subjects driven by over whelming materialism, covetousness and avariciousness. A bloody revolution prowls the horizon as a gory truth but an inevitable change.

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Aug 2010 23:52 #
  13. Dusky
    Member

    @ Moderator: Sadly this has been completely sidelined both internally and externally by Rahman Malik and Hussain Haqqani while dealing with Americans or British subjects.

    One is an American citizen other reside in UK for long on refuge claim. What else we can expect from them?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 2:40 #
  14. One thing I dont understand....After that Blast I heard from the News about Locals rushing towards the Site and started finding the Bodies of people Immediately after the crash then how comes they didnt saw Any Suspicious person or people Roaming near that plane???Were they Blind or those Suspicious people were like GHOST???they recovered the Black Box and ran away without even seen by others who were trying to rescue anyone Alive....that person who has written this Article himself Mentioning sources Like Nawa-e-Waqt and Royal News so what credibility of his report could be we can easily guess...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 3:27 #
  15. Yes mercenaries like blackwater move and act like GHOSTS.

    There could be no justifiable comparison of locals rushing to the crash scene and a swift response by some highly trained professional force who may have got there first.

    If blackwater was involved then this action by them seems logical and should be expected of them as a counter plan if the mission fails and the mission did failed obviously. Why should they leave any footprints behind?

    Our analytical approach to issues and incidents similar to Air Blue crash should be from all angles instead of a typical ostrich like mindset.

    Based on facts or seemingly a conspiracy we should investigate issues expecting the unexpected.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 6:51 #
  16. rashidsaleem
    Member

    I guess news from such unauthentic sources should never be trusted. I am glad that these floods have not been blamed on Black water or USA.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 8:13 #
  17. @rahhidsaleem
    "I am glad that these floods have not been blamed on Black water or USA. "

    BUT THEY HAVE!! :-P

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 8:30 #
  18. d0ct0r
    Member

    rashidsaleem
    I am glad that these floods have not been blamed on Black water or USA.

    Many are blaming HAARP for floodings in Pakistan,it has in past regularly been blamed for triggering catastrophes such as floods,quakes, droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms etc

    Is HAARP for real? Can it create floods?
    http://www.daily.pk/is-haarp-for-real-can-it-create-floods-19989/

    Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan?
    http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/08/06/pakistan-flood-photos-haarp-fingerprints-found-allover/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

    Conspiracy theories

    HAARP is the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, with individuals ascribing various hidden motives and capabilities to the project. Journalist Sharon Weinberger called HAARP "the Moby **** of conspiracy theories" and said the popularity of conspiracy theories often overshadows the benefits HAARP may provide to the scientific community.[15][16] Skeptic computer scientist David Naiditch called HAARP "a magnet for conspiracy theorists", saying the project has been blamed for triggering catastrophes such as floods, droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, and devastating earthquakes in Afghanistan and the Philippines aimed to "shake up" terrorists. Naiditch says HAARP has been blamed for diverse events including major power outages, the downing of TWA Flight 800, Gulf War Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Conspiracy theorists have also suggested links between HAARP and the work of Nikola Tesla (particularly potential combinations of HAARP energy with Tesla's work on pneumatic small-scale earthquake generation) and physicist Bernard Eastlund. According to Naiditch, HAARP is an attractive target for conspiracy theorists because "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed".

    Conspiracy theorists have also raised the possibility that HAARP may have played a role in the devastating, highly damaging earthquakes that occurred in Sichuan, China in 2008 and Haiti and Chile in 2010. An opinion piece on a Venezuelan state-run television channel's website blamed HAARP as a cause of the 2010 Haiti earthquake.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Aug 2010 13:15 #

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