An interesting disclosure has been made. Iran stabbed Pakistan and ditched Kashmiris in 1990s to save India from possible UN sanction. It killed Kashmiris and buried their cause for ever. Then when it was India's turn to support Iran, it ditched like a true Banya. Iran called it backstabbing. Did Iran deserve it? Read more at: http://fmeducation.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/did-iran-backstab-pakistan-to-save-india/
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Did Iran stab Pakistan in the back to save India?
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benrandle
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 13:49 # -
might be true, might not be true. But the story makes no sense. Is it an "anti-Iran" piece? As for the IPI pipeline, that is all talk by Pakistan to keep the masses seduced. Remember the puppet master has said "No deals with Iran, else sanctions". Why do you think India pulled out? You think our leadership will ever risk that? Not a chance!
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 15:33 # -
aftab arif
Member2 Words would best describe IPI/TAPI, "Pipe Dreams"
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 15:40 # -
Iran will never side with India. Agreed. This is an anti Iran piece and should be ignored.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 18:05 # -
spruce
Memberthere are two purpose of IRAN closeness with INDIA,
reason no.1 india is close ally of israil and america by this way america and israil will be not happy with india and they will suggest india be away from iran.
reason.2 iran want support of india as his relations with USA and Israil are good,and iran seeking soft attitude by israil,usa through india's diplomatic chennals. thats it.
further there will be no affect on pakistan,because iran knows the reality of pakistan who support iran due to religous concerns , what iran seeking with india it is his internal matter and relations between iran and will not go negative means.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 18:12 # -
shimatoree
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 18:19 # -
naseemkhanan
MemberIran stabed Pakistan. What a hogwash.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 18:48 # -
Sorry, SH, after listening very carefully, I can't say I thought very highly of the so-called Iranian who presented his book on relations between Iran, Israel and US. Not a typical Iranian, by any means, this Swedish-US bred young man. Well, we can't have everything, I suppose, US-Israel success and fidelity to the country of one's birth.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 19:02 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
I just thought he presented a different perspective from an unusual position of his- where writing books to SELL is important too.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 19:17 # -
True enough, shimatoree. Sales also need to go through if one's to survive.
I wasn't really saying that the video was utterly devoid of interest. In fact some of the things Trita Parsi said were quite perceptive. Absolutely true, for instance, that during the war the Iranians like to call "The Imposed War", there were relations between highly isolated Iran and Israel. I wonder what Pakistan's role was at the time. I have no idea. But by the time Desert Storm came around, Iran, like India, adopted a strictly neutral role and it ws Pakistan that went over to the Coalition of the Willing (Ugh!). Perhaps the Irano-Indian friendship dates from that time onwards.
I objected to Parsi's observation that there was no fundamental difference between the foreign policy of the Shah and the present government. Also to his uncalled for comments on Pres Ahmedinejad. I liked the way he talked about US in general. His views on the Iranian "bomb" were also good, though I wonder whether it's really fair to call Iranians "irrational". That's not how I've learnt to know them. Last but not least, the final comment that the situation today was more reminiscent of 1914 than 1939 was interesting in more ways than one, i.e. applicable as much to the Koreas as to Iran.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 20:07 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
During the Iran-Iraq war Pakistan simply stayed out of it. I know this for a fact.
Many people now a days castigate Zia Ul Haq in just about every way but in that regards he did not take sides. He did go to Khomeini and ask if it was possible to end the War-(1981-82) to which Khomeini replied that Zia ought to be on the side that was wronged- namely Iran. Zia for obvious reasons( Saudi Arabia being one) did not wish to do that and so he just stayed out of it. I also know that during the same time period the Americans were trying to bring pressure on Zia Regime about the Nuclear issue and threatened severe measures. To this Zia replied- " quote " how would you like the First Armoured Division of Pakistan join the Iraq- Iran war on the Iranian side "
Needless to say the message achieved it's goal.It is always of value to listen to someone who espouses Realistic " options as Parsi claims to do.
The comments about Ahmadinijaad are just that comments for the consumption of his audience and have no redeeming value.
It also might be due to the class differential as Ahmadinijaad's father was a mere blacksmith and in Iran there is also a CAST system of sorts.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 21:28 # -
Shimatoree, thanks awfully. The Zia story was most informative and enjoyable.
Quite right, too, about Parsi. Certain things he said have found a place in my memory and I'll keep mulling them over at this very critical point in time for the Mideast and that euphemism the Peace Process. As for class distinctions or the Caste system, of course it exists in Iran, too. But in a less obvious form than in Pakistan. All in all, I suppose one can even concede that Parsi was a brave man to tackle this extremely tricky topic.
Posted 1 year ago on 11 Dec 2010 22:04 # -
Demonizing Iran to justify what is to come? For example:
US to Test Iran’s ‘Pain Threshold’ Over Nuclear PlansTop Obama aide Gary Samore today condemned Iran’s willingness to engage in diplomacy with the United States as a “ploy” and said that the United States is going to respond with a series of retaliatory sanctions to punish them for it and to test Iran’s “pain threshold.”
@MG
"In fact some of the things Trita Parsi said were quite perceptive."
Is it not true that lies are ALWAYS passed hidden in a wrapping of truths (see WikiLeaks for example). You tell twenty truths and slip one or two lies in-between and hoping the unsuspecting will swallow them as truths too. No liar ever tells only lies. The most successful ones in fact speak the most truths (haystack) and conceal the lie (needle) well.Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 3:23 # -
Hussain Farooqui
MemberWe are a too emotionally driven nation. We make our policies on the basis of emotions rather than realities. The other nations have rights to change policies according to their interests.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 3:57 # -
spruce
Member@Hussain Farooqui
I am agree with you , why any country change their policies to show love with other country and harm their own nation .what our country is doing making so called good relations with America. While in one hand America stabbing us on back and in the front he paying us dollars for aid and same America is threat for Iran and we have border with Iran from side to side with Baluchistan and we have permitted America to install air base in Quetta, this means we are not taking car for our neighbors then why they care for us this is right for Iran he can change his policy according to their lenience and interest.
Again I would like to add up that Iran is playing very interested rule in the region, where India is concerns Iran is key rule player in the region, by this way he is passing message to America and Israel that your ally with us, and creating distances between them, while America can no more pressurize India in thier internal matters.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 4:18 # -
nsdap
MemberOh come on ladies and gentlemen.
When will we grow up?
There is no such thing as BACKSTABBING in diplomacy. Every state will obviously take actions in its interests.
Pakistanis still think that 2 states can be friends like 2 friends in a neighbourhood or school/college.
Do you people even know what "FRIENDSHIP" even means in the diplomatic world.
I would love see Pakistan backstabbing Saudi Arabia.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 4:27 # -
spruce
Member@nsdap
good point by you that::"""""I would love see Pakistan backstabbing Saudi Arabia."""
saudi arabia do'nt like any muslim country get power and show them teeth for thier wrong doings in holy places, they have hijacked holy places as thier own property rather then this is whole muslim obligatory places , but they still afraid of iran who shown them thier original face, allowing iran do what your sect allow you , and they allow them making congrgation all thier activities.
saudia using egypt and pakistan like his paid soldeir not like muslim brother.
these people are father of conspiracies agaisnt muslims helping jews to weak muslims.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 4:55 # -
nsdap
MemberPakistan should backstab the entire Ummah as these arabs are a bunch of bufoons. They are not even worth talking to.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 5:36 # -
spruce
Member@nsdap
Arabs got oil in their lands and they are passing luxury and cheap life. They can do every thing to save their loam, and they are weak people in all sector and they prefer their life without sufferings. So that they used to play under the shad of America and Jews and rewarding them with billion dollars to protect their regimes, when ever they failed to pay them they face many problems in contradiction of human violation accusations by America and Israel. That is point of weakness in Arabs and then they open the treasures to send America to shut their mouth. They feel glad to help Jews but they feel hurt to help Muslims.
They have distributed Muslims in categories and dealing with all according to passport.
These people are more dangerous then Jews.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 5:50 # -
Agreed with all above writing against present KSA policies. They do not further the cause of the Muslim Ummah.
nota: Quite right in your comment, too. If I'm asked: do I trust Iran, Israel or US, you know the answer as well as I do, the first named, of course.
So what did I find "perceptive"? I'll tell you.
One: Parsi made a remark about US allies suddenly losing confidence in US power and mainly - this was what held my attention - in US "competence". That word alone opened huge vistas of change before my eyes. The dollar is one thing and of great attraction, no doubt. "Competence" is another. And equally magnetic. I think some such realisation might hit Pakistan as well in the near future.
Two: Israel. To be read between the lines. As we kept hearing about how subtle the ongoing political debate in that place was, Parsi suddenly pronounced the magic name of Lebanon. And that's when it struck. That one defeat has completely undermined the self-confidence of the "conquerers". And it's not going to come back anytime soon. Sure, they can go and kill and torture scores of Palestinians in Gaza, women and children preferably. Beyond that it does not extend. There, too, the feeling was unmistakable, change is in the offing.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 8:36 # -
Iran-Pak-India pipeline not shelved: India
Saturday, Dec 11, 2010Gas Pipeline India has not abandoned the USD 7.3 billion Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project and is seriously looking for courageous insurance companies to underwrite the project, a senior diplomat attached to the Permanent Mission of India to the UN said...
more at: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/iranpakindia-pipeline-not-shelved-india/723405/
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 9:01 # -
@MG
And in related news:
$7.6 billion TAPI project moves aheadAnd NOT so related news:
Merkel plays Indian B!tch: Accuses Pakistan of Terror
Sweden calls Stockholm blasts “terrorist attack” ("Suicide Bomber" I am sure ould turn out to be having Pakistani links)AND US comes out with a new report with the same old stuff:
US Reports Paint ‘Bleak’ Pictures in Afghanistan and Pakistan
(And trying to pass the lie that "Pakistan’s government (Army) is not our 'rakhail', really!!")Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 9:48 # -
nota, simply about the Stockholm story, another false flag. Swedish passers-by claim a man spoke in Arabic before blowing himself up or something. Now I ask you all: How on earth would a Swede know Arabic from any other language spoken elsewhere?
True to my TC status, I don't believe a word of any of this. What I do know though, is Scandinavia, Sweden, Denmark, Norway (Finland may be an exception to the rule?) is the latest homeland of the Zionists.
Good the TAPI has got off the ground. This is all future music of very pleasing tune.
About Afghanistan we're slowly inching out way towards a decisive year. Let's see what it brings, what Pak Gov and Army, do to obey the bidding of the masters. In any case, whatever they do, I'm not buying any part of the story that it's FATA in any way making the victory of the AR possible.
Pak can do what it likes. Invaders ditto, the AR has already won this one as might be made clear to all in the year to come.Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 13:46 # -
@MG
"How on earth would a Swede know Arabic from any other language spoken elsewhere?"
Don't they all become experts at times like this? :-P
"A person of middle-eastern descent....""Good the TAPI has got off the ground. This is all future music of very pleasing tune."
Oh hold your horses!!! Did you forget this is the old UNOCAL baby??Please see come old comments of mine:
Brief one
IPI vs TAPI pipelineFrom 2008 (detailed):
One
Two
On, and don't forget this one:
ThreePosted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 14:26 # -
Sorry, nota. That was most remiss of me. So TAPI=UNOCAL versus IPI. Good, shall remember that from now on. Remember, too, that we're back to playing our usual all things to all men games. Whenever I see the faintest glimmer of light, it turns out to be false. Thank God, I've acquired a sanguine turn to my nature. Taught myself the hard way.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 14:35 # -
@MG
Sorry!!!BTW: Just remembered this thingy (TAPI) was "approved" two years ago and I was talking -- interestingly -- of Pakistan "stabbing Iran in the back"
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 14:50 # -
No matter, nota. Pak might stab Iran in the back. I doubt Iranians might turn round and do the same. They are far too intelligent not to think ahead to a time when Muslim support will prove of greater value than anything non-Muslim India can offer.
Someone I was discussing this with said: why not, Pakistan should do both, IPI and TAPI. Would do the country good. That's Realpolitik for you.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 17:49 # -
scandinavian
MemberPakistan should go for both options (IPI and TAPI). It's obvious it will be an advantage for Pakistan to have two competitors - both wanting to sell their goods, but it's obvious too that Pakistan should have opted for the less difficult supply lines from Iran first rather than a comparatively more difficult and dangerous supply line through insecure Afghanistan.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 18:00 # -
@MG
"why not, Pakistan should do both, IPI and TAPI. Would do the country good."But the little problem is there is no "AND" in this equation. It only allows "NAND" or "NOR"operations...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_NOR
(So much for Realpolitik) :)Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 19:17 # -
@MG
Those Stockholm Blasts just got weirder -- as expected :)
Defense Employee warned before the attacks
Stockholm Blast Has All The Hallmarks of a Mossad Hit
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 19:55 # -
nota, thanks for nand and nor clause. Then Scandinavian is right. The IPI is much the better solution. TAPI, on the other hand, will have to pass through Taliban country. I can see a few problems cropping up there.
Much obliged as well for the Sweden update. the man apparently dead is said to be an Iraqi citizen and a UK graduate (The Guardian). Now again my question: Arabic must have been right. How did people know? Specially in light of the first of your stories. How did someone in the armed forces know enough to warn in advance? Most definitely a false flag and probably a Mossad hand. I even begin to question if the body we saw on the video was really dead or playing dead. I really can't trust anyone or anything anymore.
Posted 1 year ago on 12 Dec 2010 20:06 # -
nota
Are you some kind of search engine??????
Posted 1 year ago on 13 Dec 2010 2:10 # -
@dildar
Just a sponge with an effective b.s. filter ;-)Posted 1 year ago on 13 Dec 2010 4:14 # -
shafiq12
memberIran is like a vulture waiting to enjoy on the feast of Pakistan.
Posted 1 year ago on 13 Dec 2010 4:38 # -
shafiq12
memberS.E Mirza
Iran will never side with India. Agreed. This is an anti Iran piece and should be ignored.
History my friend, History shows it. During the war of 1965 Iran had sided with india on agreement " Iran will take the west side of sindh and india will take east side of sindh"
History shows the lesson to the people when they try to forget history.
Posted 1 year ago on 13 Dec 2010 5:06 # -
ajhons
MemberIndia,with the approval of Iran's Govt building a $180 million strategic Zaranj-Delaram road which would open up an alternate route for the landlocked-Afghanistan to an Iranian port and reduce its dependence on Pakistan.
In one of the leaked cables its stated the UAE officials told visiting US officials that Iran is supporting Pakistani Talibans(besides India)
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Dec 2010 10:51 # -
Not Possible
BlockedThere nothing left of Pakistan to feast upon, the vulture Saudi and Americans have already had the feast, now the Saudis have morphed into dogs and are liking the bones of the caracass
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Dec 2010 15:00 #
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