change_is_close
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There are two routes of transportation of supplies into Afghanistan. One is Via Torkham and second from Chamman on Afghanistan-Baluchistan Border. Torkham border is blocked but Chamman door is still OPEN!
Cutting NATO supply line amounts to strangulation of the U.S. war of terror in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which in turn means strangulation of the corrupt civilian/military leadership of Pakistan. These traitors would never shoot their own foot!
Do you really think traitors would/could do that? Remember they ARE traitors. But if you have any doubts, they should go away reading this story:
Nato supply line will re-open when security improves: FO
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will only re-open a supply route for coalition troops in Afghanistan once public anger over Nato incursions eases and security improves, the foreign ministry spokesman said on Sunday.
Militants on Saturday threatened more attacks on tankers carrying fuel to Afghanistan through routes in Pakistan to avenge the incursions.
"Unless the reaction cools down and we make sure that the supply line is secured, we cannot reopen it," Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit told Reuters.
Angered by repeated incursions by Nato helicopters over the past week, Pakistan blocked a supply route for Nato troops in Afghanistan after one such strike killed three Pakistani soldiers on Thursday in the northwestern Kurram region. – Reuters
d0ct0r
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That American agent Hussain Haqqani was assuring american since day one that it was just a temporary measure and supply would be restored soon..
d0ct0r
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US military diverting drones to expand attacks
NEW YORK, Oct 2: Concerned that Pakistan military was unwilling to take on the militants living in sanctuaries in the northwest, the US military is secretly diverting drones and weaponry from the Afghan battlefront to significantly expand the CIA’s campaign against militants in their Pakistani havens, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.
The shift in strategic focus reflects the US view that with Pakistan’s military unable or unwilling to do the job, more US force against terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan is needed to turn around the Afghan war effort across the border, the newspaper says.
In recent months, the US military has loaned Predator and Reaper drones to the Central Intelligence Agency to give the agency more firepower to target militants on the Afghan border. The additional drones helped the CIA escalate the strikes in Pakistan in September, it said.
The escalated campaign during the last moth was aimed, in part, at disrupting a suspected terrorist plot to carry out attacks in European cities.
US officials say a successful terrorist strike against the West emanating from Pakistan could force the US to take unilateral military action — an outcome all countries are eager to avoid.
d0ct0r
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NATO Heli Strikes lead to security forces(FC) personnel's death,otherwise both drones and NATO strikes equally comprise and transgress our sovereignty . Had only 'militant' died in hot pursuit all this hue and cry wouldn't have been made..
This is not the first time,in past too West have been regularly killing our troops inside pakistani territory.
Tensions rise after Pakistan soldiers are killed in US bombing raid
Relations between the United States and Pakistan were dealt a severe blow yesterday when American bombs killed 11 Pakistani soldiers.
..coalition air support provided to the Afghans targeted a nearby post housing members of the Pakistani paramilitary Frontier Corps..
Since that time there had been resentment among FC troops against US and coalition forces,so it wasn't surprising when FC troops shot warning shots at the choppers that tried to penetrate inside Pakistani territory,NATO chopper retaliated and bombed the clearly marked FC check posts..
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
While we are busy in 'grappling' with 'issues' like these, constantly 'struggling' to 'survive', they are;
(1) 'living' their lives 'in peace'
(2) plus they are 'exploring' new 'ideas'
Such as mentioned in this;
Video: Discovery.Next World 2 of 6 - Future Intelligence
When I say 'they are living their lives in peace', I mean, 'they are living their lives in peace at 'expense' of our! lives, our well-being, as well as countless other millions of people all over the world' (who are unaware).
Watching this video reminds me of the time when there will be no place where one would find safety, refuge from the AntiChrist or his system.
We desperately need to take charge of our 'situation', our 'destiny', our 'nation' in our own hands, otherwise 'we' or our 'civilization' won't 'survive'.
toamin
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look at the excuse given by pak civilian military leadership, "security situation improvement"..
they can't even threaten properly, leave alone cutting the line.
Burn them all! (not the oil tanks)
Anwer Kamal
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But after Islamabad today at Quetta.
Quetta: 18 NATO oil tankers torched, one person killed
Wanted to add that these all tankers often fired and burnt are Pakistani, shipping oil for NATO.
voxlibertas
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SO NATO killed 3 would-be terrorists of the military of a satellite state, and someone actually threatened to cut of the supply route?
Of course it's not gonna happen. This should be some late night comedian's opening improv, and to be quite honest it's not even funny any more. This pattern of slaving and chortling out mealy mouthed yelps (not even barks but yellow yelps) every now and then which every one knows means nothing is old news. Old old old news.
What happened instead? Pakistan begging the international community even more. Or like the news item a couple of days ago begging the US for more export quota. Embarrassing, humiliating, </face palm>.
Because quite frankly they could easily start charging for these supply routes which is the LIFELINE for NATO and have been allocated for nearly a decade free of charge to their Masaahs. Countless facilities and sectors have also been given at minimal costs.
<ROFLMAO>They could tax NATO to make some revenue and put pressure.</ROFLMAO>
But of course the chattel dogs would only tax the expendable especially the Memsaab Massaah orders it.
voxlibertas
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@Nota: the only thing these pus filled swines do more easily than slaving and lying is kill innocent people, especially if they are within the "sovereign borders".
@VOX
"Because quite frankly they could easily start charging for these supply routes which is the LIFELINE for NATO and have been allocated for nearly a decade free of charge to their Masaahs. Countless facilities and sectors have also been given at minimal costs."
Well, someone is making the money with gas costing $800 PER GALLON (from The U.S. Edges Closer To Invading Pakistan). I think what is at work here is individual thugs working for their individual benefits (including the leadership and generals) and not caring for the big picture i.e. country. They are satisfied with millions going to their pockets and not giving a damn that the country could have made hundreds of billions instead (no surprise that an MNA from FATA managed increased his wealth 42 times over in just one year). But swines must act like swines for that is their nature.
aftab arif
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Many Nato-supply tankers torched in Quetta
Police have said gunmen in Pakistan have torched four tankers carrying fuel for NATO forces in Afghanistan. The attackers also killed a truck driver.
Wednesday's assault was the latest on supply convoys heading for Afghanistan since Pakistan shut a key border crossing to international forces last week.
The attacks have raised tensions already elevated by Pakistan's decision to close the Torkham crossing in apparent reaction to alleged NATO helicopter strikes on its territory. One of those strikes killed three Pakistani soldiers.
The tankers hit Wednesday were believed headed for a smaller border crossing that remains open.
According to early reports, a small bomb damaged a truck in northwestern Pakistan on Tuesday that was carrying oil to NATO troops in Afghanistan — the latest attack on stalled supply convoys since Pakistan shut a key border crossing to international forces last week.
The attacks have raised tensions that were already elevated by Pakistan's decision to close the Torkham crossing in apparent reaction to a series of alleged NATO helicopter attacks on Pakistani territory, including one that killed three Pakistani soldiers.
The bomb that exploded Tuesday was placed underneath the tanker while it was parked in a lot alongside more than 100 other trucks waiting to cross into Afghanistan, said Wajid Khan, a local administrator in the Khyber tribal region where the border crossing is located.
The attack didn't result in any casualties, but the risk of fire was high since oil was leaking out of the damaged tanker, said Khan. Authorities moved other trucks away from the vehicle as a precaution, he said.
It was unclear who was behind the bombing, but the Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibility for similar attacks on NATO supply convoys, including one before dawn Monday that killed four people.
There have been at least five attacks on the supply convoys since the Torkham closure — four of them that were heading to that crossing and one that was headed to another crossing that has remained open.
The events of the last week have exposed the often strained nature of the alliance between Pakistan and the United States. But analysts doubt it will reach a breaking point because each side is so reliant on each other.
Both American and Pakistani officials have predicted the Torkham border crossing will reopen within a few days.
But even if the border is reopened, underlying tensions will remain in the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, especially over Pakistan's unwillingness to go after Afghan Taliban militants on its territory with whom it has strong historical ties.
The U.S. has responded to Pakistan's intransigence by dramatically increasing the number of CIA drone strikes in the country's tribal region. The U.S. carried out 21 such attacks in September — nearly double the previous monthly record.
The U.S. has also stepped up military operations along the Afghan border, but officials in Washington said the recent NATO helicopter strikes inside Pakistan were not a strong-arm tactic meant to show the country that if it fails to vigorously target militants the U.S. will step in.
The officials said the temporary closure of the Torkham crossing was not opposed by U.S. officials because it allows Pakistan to let off steam and give a public rebuke to Washington that plays well to the domestic Pakistani audience without seriously hampering U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. The officials spoke on condition because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
Since Pakistan closed Torkham, traffic has backed up at various points along the route from the southern border of Karachi. But coalition officials say the closing has not resulted in shortages since hundreds of trucks still cross into landlocked Afghanistan each day through Pakistan and via Central Asian states. However, the Central Asian routes are more expensive and less convenient than those through Pakistan.
The convoys bring fuel, military vehicles, spare parts, clothing and other non-lethal supplies for foreign troops.
http://www.geo.tv/10-6-2010/72459.htm
I wish they close it permanently.
voxlibertas
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@NOTA:
It's a disease actually. Among the ruling Elite. They are so tremendously corrupt and brutal-- the way they have killed thusands upon thousands of innocent Pakistanis--they know that there is no way they can survive in a system built on sound principles of justice and accountability... except with US support and iron fisted rule, which by its very nature shall eventually come to pass (or may be not; all depends on the sheeple public and the will of the brutalized to stay with this god forsaken country).
And the damage done by murshaf is irreparable. He basically broke the back bone of Pakistan the way he turned the entire country's apparatus --as flawed as it was-- upside down on the orders of his pay masters. Such a frakkin coward. yukh!
So that's the truth unfortunately. For this country to even have a sembalnce of normalcy of pre murdhshf era (and inherent in the word normalcy is the tragedy that, the time past was somehow normal) would mean heads rollin, guillotine din dinning, lamp posts ornamenting with the heads of these stooges.
And there is no other way. Fortunately for these fecal matter...the country is largely made up of illetrate slaves who CRAVE government, who lament NOT being herded, and who wilfully support crime syndicates, false grave worshippin prophets, heavily accented baboos star struck by maadurnity and cry baby ethnonationalist severely dumbed down niggas, some of whom think the most important issue that ever mattered was the name change of a province. All of them hypocrites of the nth degree, who sound equally revolting when they "condemn" the blow back, the country so fittingly deserves.
Truthlover
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Closing of Torkham borde is just a pressure tactics as no one in the government and army would dare to cut the Nato supply. The real protest should have been cutting all supplies till the Allies were forced to accept and respect Pakistani sovereignty.
Surprise, surprise! :-P
Govt decides in principle to reopen Torkham
BTW: This is being defined by the govt as "great victory"
toamin
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rahman malik & rest of cronies are celebrating as victory and great victory, but someone ask them why their mouths were shut when the incident happened, why it took them like 2 weeks to say victory?
Meanwhile...
Eight killed in another NWA drone attack
rehanahd
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BCOZ ALL WAS DONE ON CJSC DIRECTIVE NOT PPP
rehanahd
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LJ05Df01.html
Carrings on up the Khyber Pass
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
ISLAMABAD - Hawkish anti-American elements in Pakistan's military prevailed on pro-United States army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kiani to close a key North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply route in Pakistan in a move that signals a possible ominous deterioration in relations between Islamabad and Washington.
The hand of the hawks was strengthened by a record number of US unmanned drone attacks inside Pakistan last month - 22 - as well as two raids by US gunships into Pakistani territory.
On Thursday, Pakistan blocked the Khyber Pass at the Torkham border crossing into Afghanistan through which 80% of the NATO supplies that pass through Pakistan are transported. These
supplies go straight to Bagram air base on the outskirts of the capital, Kabul. The remaining 20% of the supplies that go through Pakistan use the Chaman border, from where they go to Kandahar air base; this passage remains open. Approximately 80% of NATO's supplies go through Pakistan. The remainder go via a much more expensive and time-consuming route through Central Asia, or by air.
The tense situation was exacerbated on Monday morning when about 20 NATO tankers near Islamabad were set alight by gunmen with Molotov cocktails. Three people were killed and eight wounded in the incident, which follows a similar attack on Friday in the south, when gunmen burned more than 24 trucks and tankers carrying fuel destined for NATO forces in Afghanistan.
According to high-level contacts who spoke to Asia Times Online, the prime mover behind having the Khyber Pass closed was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of the Staff Committee, General Tariq Majid, who is due to retire on October 8.
Following the closure of the border, Washington was stunned when the Pakistani Foreign Office arranged interviews for its spokesperson, Abdul Basit, with international news agencies. Basit defiantly stated that NATO supply trucks would only be allowed to cross into Afghanistan through Pakistan when anger among the people over the American attacks inside Pakistani had subsided. He added that any attacks on NATO convoys would be "the reaction of the Pakistani masses".
However, the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistani Taliban - TTP) on Monday claimed responsibility for the two attacks. "We accept responsibility for the attacks on the NATO supply trucks and tankers. We will carry out more such attacks in future. We will not allow the use of Pakistani soil as a supply route for NATO troops based in Afghanistan," TTP spokesman Azam Tariq was quoted by Agence-France Presse as saying.
Basit's briefing followed comments by Richard Holbrooke, the US's special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, that he expected the closure to last for only a short period and that an extended disruption of supplies would have a colossal affect on the region. Hundreds of trucks normally cross into Afghanistan each day. The envoy described the overall US relationship with Pakistan as "more complicated than any strategic relationship I've ever been involved in".
After a recent surge in militant activities in the border regions with Pakistan, especially in Khost, Paktia, Paktika and Ghazni, the Americans strongly reiterated their demand for Pakistani operations against the Jalaluddin and Sirajuddin Haqqani network based in the North Waziristan tribal area. The US believes this powerful faction of the Afghan resistance to be behind all the attacks in the bordering provinces.
Pakistan refused due to devastating floods that had distracted the army, and pointed out that Haqqani’s most important commander, Sangeen, is now in Paktia and Khost and is directly commanding his men from the ground. Besides, these provinces, especially Ghazni, are mostly in the control of the Taliban, therefore the demand for immediate operations in North Waziristan is not justified.
Following Pakistan's refusal, NATO forces adopted a policy of hot pursuit. One gunship helicopter attacked a town in North Waziristan last month and another went into Kurram Agency in an attack in which three Pakistani soldiers were killed, along with suspected militants.
The China factor
The outgoing Majid has agitated that Islamabad should review its strategic relations with the US, especially in light of China's growing influence in Pakistan. This is even though the US, along with Saudi Arabia, had been at the forefront of rescue and aid efforts in the recent crippling floods across vast swathes of the country.
The anti-American viewpoint in the army is that the cost of American friendship is heavy, in that while Pakistan annually receives millions of dollars in aid and loans, the militant backlash against this pro-American stance is deeply divisive and undermines the stability of the country.
China, meanwhile, it is argued, simply wants to do business in Pakistan, and its presence does not stir up the masses. Recently, Pakistan handed over control of the operations of the strategic Gwadar port to China. Beijing is interested in turning it into an energy transport hub by building an oil pipeline from Gwadar into the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The planned pipeline would carry crude oil sourced from Arab and African states.
General Khalid Shamim Wyne has been nominated to replace Majid, who orchestrated a dimension of the Pakistan-China strategic relationship as he dealt with naval projects. (The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee is a ceremonial position, but all defense deals in the three branches of the armed forces need his approval.)
Majid's tilt towards China and a movement away from the US is expected to be continued by Wyne.
On Sunday, Pakistan's ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani said on CNN's State of the Union program that he did "not expect this blockade to continue for too long".
This might be the case, but the incident is a harsh reminder for the US that it cannot take the cooperation of its most-valued non-NATO partner for granted.
Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
saqib55
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Trutulover, their is no concept of national sovereignty in Islam of Taliban. Border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is meaningless. Please don't use that false argument.
This border opening and closing is part of the game meant to mint money for ISI and Taliban. After all, the US bribes shinwari, afridi, ISI, army millions each year for NATO supply security, while they in turn pay a portion of it to Taliban for security.
After border post incident, ISI and Taliban simply wanted a pay raise, which is why ISI ordered its commandos embedded with taliban to attack convoys.
zeshaan
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Aaj ki taza khabar dekhoo aaj kay akhbaroon main.
Will they cut the supply lines again? I bet not ;-)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
These people do things 'slowly', 'with time'. They have just 'begun' to 'experiment' with 'how' to go about 'open war' with Pakistan.
Yet, it could also be 'something' that is to 'provide' 'ruling party' in USA a 'political' 'advantage'.
Truthlover
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Believe me they aren't no fools, they exactly know what to do and when. It's the government of Pakistan that is fooling the people of Pakistan by allowing these troops to do as they please. Each passing day brings us closer and closer to the catastrophe we have no idea of.
Oh wow! Now who thought our response to:
Nato copters violate airspace in Balochistan
Would be:
Raisani offers Gwadar for Nato supplies
??
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