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Differntiate between Deen and Mazhab! (non religious topic)

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  1. We as a society needs to be re educated about the grave mistake of mixing up two distinct and opposite thought forms.

    Deen and Mazhab:

    Deen is all encompassing, contains all humanity, allows freedom of practice and love of thy neighbor even if he is a cow! Love, courage, equality, insaaf, and respect is part of Deen. As it is total coverage. Any one is welcome, anyone...

    Mazhab: Narrower then the eye of the needle, totally unsharing, labels everything anti-itself, pretends to be god incarnate and has a militant violent nature. No sharing, no giving, no policy, no economic stability, nothing!

    What we have in the name of Islam today is mazhab. not Deen!

    The total amount of jews, Christians, and Hindus ever killed in 500 years of Muslim kingdoms in the past is less than sunni and shia killed in pakistan in only past 20 years!

    see the difference ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:58 #
  2. Deen implies a code of life given by God like Islam, instead of human beings. In Mazhab human beings set the laws according to their understanding of the Hadith or Fiqh. These laws may not necessarily be in accordance with the Quran. They may be additional or different.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:11 #
  3. There you go...

    Thats the exact understanding....God gives unconditionally, like he gave oxygen to breathe without disticntion of any color or caste or type....donkey to molvi can breathe without paying a dollar!

    in mazhab, one has to do sajda first to an imam, then to some books, then to some fictional character and then to a model of a prophet, not the prophet but a historical model of a prophet.....and in the mean time, he looses his sanity, his good nature, his energy and at the end he is without hope.....

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:27 #
  4. Deen is for what Allah swt sent all the Prophets, and mazhab provides required force to establish the Deen. Not even a single nation is wiped out from the earth because of mazhab by Allah swt.

    But nowadays mazhab become a custodian of Deen which is creating all the problems. Which is dividing us further in groups.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:38 #
  5. subhanallah! subhanllah! very very positive understanding...see I wish we all could see the way letsdoit and mirza are seeing the issues.....unless we see with clearity of this nature, we wont come up with permanent solutions!

    Prophets are nothing but advocates of rights of the most oppressed people of their times...take a broad look at the history of mankind from the point of prophets, they are nothing but advocates of rights for the most weak of the society!

    They are basically labor leaders of their times, and they also have special powers which makes them successful, like moses, who was nothing but a labor leader for the jews who were in slavery by the pharaoh's rule and he was given a dragon, a hand which shined and some other metaphysical powers to fight the zulum....

    once he liberated them then he crafted laws and regulations called sharia...same is with Muhammad s.a.w he also begged the meccan chaudries to be munsif with the slaves and yateems and widows and travelers and camels ....and once they were enmasse and had a good amount of following, sharia was created with mashwara and divine guidance.......

    see the humanity from the deen angle and not mazhab angle!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:09 #
  6. 'Madhabis' really did started AFTER the death of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) somewhere around 150 years later when 'records were laid down by searching and researching facts of Meccan and Medinaite' societies.
    What was happening in these 150 years? Why nobody thought of 'record keeping' during the life of Prophet (pbuh) and right after his demise? If they did than those records are known by names......I'd like to know!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:18 #
  7. look into "earliest sources of Islamic texts"....and you will see what was going on.....

    Plus, there are indications that texts were available in the time of Rasool Allah...two instances I can quote to justify that there existed a tradition of writing stuff down but as I say it was suppressed and changed later in 150 years...

    but evidence is like this:

    When Hazrat Umaar according to famous story was about to assassinate RasoolAllah (maazallah) on the egging of abu lahab and his wife, he was taunted by someone in the street to check out his sister whose name was also Fatima who had already accepted the prophet, he went to their house and saw a parchment which they were chanting from! this incident indicates that there was writing down.

    Number two: Abu huraira r.a who was only available in medina and only appeared from unkown origin with the group of ahle suffa, said the only other person to know more ahadees was another sahabi (abdullah ibn masood or someone else) cause Abu huraira memorized while the other sahabi wrote em down...

    According to research there were two huge volumes of texts of ahadees which used to be loaded on to the back of she donkey by sahaba which contained ahdees....but they vanished after the wars...

    they were burned and wiped out! a group of people made sure to burn quran and burn ahdees and kill the kids of the prophet....there is a pattern in here to be discovered!

    Then republished later in 150 years time.....thats why that era books are unavailable...

    even though according to my search, in Ethiopia there was a collection of Quran and Ahadees by Jafar ibn abi talab radillah when they were exiled in there and now the English have those books.......but not available for view....which contained different versions of Koranic ayats and totally different set of verses which we are being told to recite!

    so the texts existed but these people wiped them off! just like in the time of chengiz khan, where chengiz khan couldnt differentiate between a book or a brick...he did not destroy any book, its our own molvis who destroyed our books so they can re create their dead dynasties in the name of Allah!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:40 #
  8. But the ancient route to Habsha was not only through Hijaz, one more ancient and established route was to Yemen. Is it possible that some books or even parchments escaped encroachment of the British. Ethiopia is known to hide religious secrets.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:47 #
  9. two of the katib een wahi re converted to chriantiantiy and they took their mansuscripts to istanbul for sure...

    Jaffar ibn abi talib took more than 3 to habasha, he gave one of them to rasool Allah's phoophi who died in cyprus....

    Muaz bin jabal took more than 9 such manuscripts to yemen, remember when rasool allah quizzed him on subjects of spirituality, at each question he gave him a text!!!!

    Malik bin dinar brought one to india....

    Abu Rida Baba Rattan brought one to Delhi...

    english have almost all of them.....almost all of them and they keep bringing them into public light every few years ...

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:54 #
  10. Why the British are holding these manuscripts. To alter and create some more 'fitnas' among us?

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:14 #
  11. they actually "created" the fitna in 1890's and then we are suffering since.....

    they crafted two major portions of Islam, one called Middle Eastern version and the other called Indian Version...

    they supported both versions, one out of Cairo and the other out of India Delhi....

    so the texts existed but enemies of Allah destroyed and changed them!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:31 #
  12. NNL

    Semirza Sahib.

    Mahzabs or Fiqh or School of Thoughts are the set codes or principles which define the Sunnah of the Nabi Rasool Allah Sallaho Alahi Wasalam. And if you do look into them they usually back down infront of a stronger evidence against their opinion.

    We in Pakistan have been really boggled down by the Deobandis and Bralvi as they are the 2 opposing parties. But if you look at the core of their legalized codes they are both Hanafi.

    PS I did like to know more about that Project of yours which you were mentioning to comabt Hinduism and Anti Islamic sentiments.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 22:56 #
  13. raheb

    MAZHAB, is a Private faith, private belief which has NOTHING to do with any other one. You can have as many Mazhab on earth as many humen being.

    DEEN, is Collective, a way of living, a System, where ALL live under the same laws which are written in The Quran.
    Islam choose its own name and call itself as DEEN, but NOT Mazhab. The word Mazhab, as for as I know is translated from Religion, because NO word in english cover the the WHOLE meanings of Deen.
    So muslims should use the word Deen for Islam not Mazhab or religion.

    raheb

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Aug 2009 0:42 #
  14. NNL

    There is a huge difference between MAZHAB AND MADHAB first learn the difference and then comment.

    Whatever you do in your daily matters is defined by Sunnah and there are Only 4 Schools of thought which dont differ from the Sunnah of the Nabi sallaho alahi wasalam. Where did you learn to pray and what to say when in rukuh and in sajood.
    From where did you learn the rest of the things. From Ahadith and yet you will deny that Ahadith have value.

    PS In My earlier post Mazhab isnt the word i wanted to use the word is Madhab. I realised it late and couldnt correct it.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Aug 2009 0:55 #
  15. Mulla

    you are trying to prove something out of fantasy. You are not supporting your arguments with facts. If you want to prove that the Quran we have today is a changed version then go find something instead of thinking that we consider you an authority on this subject and will accept every thing what you said. I am ready to defend with arguments what i have written before and clear the misconceptions.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Aug 2009 9:11 #
  16. shahzad1924

    its funny when you ask us to "Differntiate between Deen and Mazhab" and then you say its a "non religious topic"

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 2:27 #
  17. yes, cause its a grave mistake and causes fights when we paint everything with the brush of fake religion...

    fake religion tries to kabza every item of our lives and then causes conflict by standarization...

    we the youth have to re emerge or re org the non religious aspect of human life from the kabza of fake relgious authority who is nothing but chanda collectors ....

    thats why living a life is a non religious issue....we have to do this to get out of the current mess we are in as a society...

    Deen is freedom and mazhab is mans slavery in front of a man!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 2:46 #
  18. shahzad1924

    i understand where you are coming from, but IMHO, this is reactionary thinking.

    if some mullas have hijacked Islam, that doesn't mean we should take Islam out of our lives.

    if we believe that there is a creator and that he sent his message through Muhammad (SAW), then its there for a reason.

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 2:59 #
  19. NNL

    Noorani Mulla! thinks he knows Islamiyat or anything regarding Islam but he believes the Current Mashaf of Quran is unauthentic and believes that Allah chose a different medium for communication for His Rasool then rest of the Creation.

    Funny init.

    Raheb.
    Its your ignorance that you keep refering the Schools of thoughts as Fiqh. It essentially shows that you havent bothered to study them.

    I wanted to learn something from you cos there is always a possibility that i might be wrong for i m human. But since you are insistent that You dont need Fiqh but how you decide from what is Allah Demanding from you and what He has forbidden for you ?

    Where do you take that info.

    If you have different opinions by all means share them but also please explain what you are basing them upon. But you also should be ready to listen to others and try to see where they are coming from.

    My only problem with your entire premise of Sects is that you are lumping something which is not a sect thats ok most of the people dont know the academice different but your persistence in saying that i m trying to impose my opinion on you then i will quote Patrick Henry " People say i give them hell but i only say what is the truth, they feel its hell "

    Anyways i was hoping that we could have a discussion and try to formulate a good solution but it seems you arent interested.

    Its true for some Ignorance is a true bliss.

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 3:47 #
  20. NNL:

    your matriculate education about the science of Islam is very limited in its scope.....and its hurting our high level and deep and constructive approach to realization of a higher reality...

    please read up on Islam and Quran so you can fit in our circles, your childish and innocent molvi-ized understanding is embarrassing for all the educated class ...

    so please do not get offended and study ok ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 3:56 #
  21. NNL

    Same here dude

    Cant help it but laugh at the people who believe that Allah's Speech is Created.

    Edit PS i would prefer to live in the dark if the area which has light is influenced by Shaitan. For me Allah and His Rasool and His Teachings are more than enuf. For He Made me through HIS WILL and gave me intelligence as HE Deemed fit and sufficient for me to have to obey Him and follow Him for He is the All Knowing All Seeing. I have understood things with the best of my ability that HE ALONE HAS GIVEN me and if i do reach a wrong conclusion HE THe Most Merciful will guide me back.

    So i m happy if i m not in your circle "scholars"

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 4:08 #
  22. dont take offence....I was just trying to get you **** off!

    hehee

    but seriously do study some more with the firm belief you have....and dont worry about the sheytan.....he casts no influence on those who seek!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 4:36 #
  23. NNL

    Sir Inshallah Jaldi Insha Allah.

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 4:49 #
  24. shahzad1924

    "This is why Marx and Lenin called it an opiom."

    get a life! communism is dead.

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 7:32 #
  25. Talal Khan:

    amazing insight you have, how quickly you saw the "druged" state of the umamti's they are in, they are content with ritual and cyclical mental exercies in the name of imaan....

    please shed more light and becarefull many folks here might try to jump on you and label you like qadyani, ahmadi, kafir, hindu agent but ignore all of that for the sake of expression, these people will arise and pretend that their faith is being attacked but its not their faith its their fake religion which is being opened up for an operation and just like a kid who fears a "teeka"...they scream too...

    so go and open up the concept of durg=religion for all of us....

    Mulla1

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 14:43 #
  26. Shahzad sab:

    marx and lenin were prophets of satan for sure but they did shape the society they screwed humanity so that humanity wakes up! thats why communism died.....they played a great trick on modern man.....

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 14:45 #
  27. Talal Khan:

    I agree, and let me share something, its a "need based" creation, yani, its man made and its based on a need, if you ever interview a city official or if you ever work in a development authority of a city, you will get a very very good insight into the origin of religion, guess what, all the laws which a city makes for people, all, all need based, meaning there was a need create by misbehavior and hence the authorities created a rule!

    for example, Japanese are highly hygienic people and they wash their hands before food, so to tell the Japanese to wash their hands before food as is in the hadees makes no sense cause they do not "need to be told"....(just an example, i am sure munafiqs will find dirty behavior by Japanese to counter this point, but its just an example)

    but idiots who are mucking with animals all day long and have no concept of hygiene MUST be told to wash hands ..guess what even bigger idiots create this "need to be told" as CODE....and would not let people go...

    so this CODE is man made and based on "deviations"...I fail to realize that a code is created before the actors are created ...most of the Islamic code is organic in origin and man made......but pointed at higher authority for imposing power....

    Jews have 666 laws( i study and speak hebrew somewhat)...guess what molvis have 660, the 6 were merged. Our borrowing is mind boggeling, 30 juz of the Quran talk about Moses! every sipara except one, i forgot which one does not mention Moses by name, but refers to his nation!(i could be off a bit on the exact numbers of code)

    even the words rahmaan and raheem originate from the pagan ideas of female goddess, as raham means vulva!

    we are nothing but cheaters and re labelers even in faith matters! nothing is original with us!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 15:33 #
  28. NNL

    Noorani Mulla wrote
    even the words rahmaan and raheem originate from the pagan ideas of female goddess, as raham means vulva!

    So what you are essentially saying that the words in the Quran are refering to the PAgan God ?

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 15:53 #
  29. no, no no, no.....at time your thinking is like my wifes!

    what I am saying that, to glorify God, we even took the gender specific "ideas" and plasted it on our version of GOD!

    see non of us have seen GOD, so its a version of our expectation and in that we have even taken gender based titles to show our ability that we have no idea about what GOD is! and we copy without being ashamed!

    Do you think GOD speaks arabic ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 15:56 #
  30. talal khan:

    NNL needs to study more.....he has gotten stuck and I am trying really hard for him to move past the mental block put on him by urdu medium islamic history...

    he fears that if he "re searches" he will loose his faith, yet its the quite opposite....

    and he needs to trust us too, he sometimes think we are enemies and agents of shytan who are crafting doubt in his mind and heart....which is not true....

    abu huraira said, there are two knowledge from Rasool Allah one which I have given to you, the other is still a secret and if told will cause taliban type throat cuttings! (near mafhoom of the english translation of the hadees)....

    so sometimes its upsetting to see this resistive attitude by some one bright smart and loving as NNL .......what will happen to our people ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 19:12 #
  31. NNL

    Noorani Mutazili Mulla! wrote

    what I am saying that, to glorify God, we even took the gender specific "ideas" and plasted it on our version of GOD!

    see non of us have seen GOD, so its a version of our expectation and in that we have even taken gender based titles to show our ability that we have no idea about what GOD is! and we copy without being ashamed!

    Do you think GOD speaks arabic ?
    ==============================

    Allah Subhanhu Wa Taala chose to speak to us in Arabic. You got issues with that then take it up with him since according to you have the same energy parameters as Allah Subhanhu Wa Taala.

    What Gender specific ideas are you refering to mate. We havent placed any gender specification on Allah Izzah Wa Jal your beloved Greek influnced Theologians have done that. We the Muslims like to refer to Allah Izzah Wal Jal as the way HE Subhanhu Wa Taala wants us to refer to Him.

    Posted 5 years ago on 05 Aug 2009 23:10 #
  32. shahzad1924

    @Mulla

    "marx and lenin were prophets of satan for sure but they did shape the society they screwed humanity so that humanity wakes up! thats why communism died.....they played a great trick on modern man....."

    fair enough

    "its a "need based" creation, yani, its man made and its based on a need"

    so you don't believe on revelation?

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 1:06 #
  33. shahzad1924

    "abu huraira said, there are two knowledge from Rasool Allah one which I have given to you, the other is still a secret and if told will cause taliban type throat cuttings! (near mafhoom of the english translation of the hadees)...."

    care to quote the hadith? i mean no one wants your interpretation :)

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 1:07 #
  34. NNL

    Lol

    Noorani Mulla! using Ahadiths again when he vehemently hates the Arabs and anything they bring. lol

    Shahzad bhai the Ahadith is as following with its Sharh from Fath-al-Bari.

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah's Apostle . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed).
    [Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 121]

    Hafidh Ibn Hajar al Asqalani (rahimahu Allah) said in his book "Fath al Bari", in the explanation of this hadith:

    (The scholars took this type of knowledge, that he (Abu Hurairah) didn't transmit\spread, to mean the hadiths that show the names of the Amirs (leaders) of evil, their conditions and era/period.

    And Abu Hurairah used to point to some of it without declaration, fearing for himself from them, like his saying: I seek refuge to Allah from the head of the sixty, and the leadership of the youth , pointing to the khilafah of Yazid bin Mu'awiyyah, because it was in the year sixty after Hijrah.

    And Allah answered the duaa of Abu Hurairah, so he died a year before it...

    Ibn al Munir ( 683A.H.) said: the Batiniyyah made this hadith as a means to making their falsehood correct, in which they believed that the shari'ah has a dhahir (apparent\outer knowledge) and batin (hidden\inner\secret
    knowledge), and the result of that batin is dissolution of the deen.

    He said: Abu Hurairah meant by his saying: "would be cut " meaning: the people of injustice would cut his head off if they heard his criticizing\finding fault with their actions ..... , and what supports this is that the written hadiths, if they were from ahkam (rulings), he wouldn't be able to conceal it, because of what he mentioned in the first hadith of the ayah that condemns who conceals knowledge.
    and other said: it could mean things related to signs of the hour, the changing of conditions, and the fierce battles at the end of time, so then the ones who are not familiar with it would reject it...)

    and al Imam Ibn Battal ( 449A.H.) -rahimahu Allah- mentioned in his sharh (explanation) of this hadith in sahih al Bukhari, that the knowledge that Abu Hurairah didn't spread was related to fitan (trials).

    also a similar explanation is found by Imam adh Dhahabi rahimhu Allah in his books "as Siyar".

    so basically, that knowledge that was not revealed is related to things in future, and trials (fitan), it has nothing to do with rulings in shari'ah, that are guidance to mankind which every Muslim needs to know, and is not allowed for one to conceal.

    Another reason why Abu Hurairah RAA kept this information to himself was that he knew that these Fitan were going to happen inevitably. Because the Prophet ASWS said so.

    Abu Huraira’s RAA narration of these Fitan was not going to make them not occur. It would have only resulted in his murder RAA.

    His murder would have deprived the Ummah from benefiting from all the knowledge he had.

    Wallahu A'lam.

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 1:50 #
  35. shahzad1924

    JazakAllah khairan akhi

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 1:52 #
  36. IJay

    Deen is the path which takes you close to ALLAH while Mazhab is your transport!

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 2:03 #
  37. shahzad1924

    ^ good analysis

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 2:10 #
  38. shahzad...ofcourse I belive in Revelation....I have problems with the human revelations mixed in with the divine one...

    The hadees is in bukhari I will post the hawala later!

    my issue is with the human intervention in the name of revelation!

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 2:15 #
  39. NNL:

    you need to study a bit more....:)

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 2:16 #
  40. NNL

    You still shy away from questions which challenge your knowledge yet claim to be enlightened like the ones who believe God Speaks to Them.

    The easiest example of your dilemma is that you as the boss wants something done and your workers keep doing it the way you havent told so would you be satisfied.

    Allah has set a course and example in Rasool if you cant follow the Rasool then you arent following Allah and if you have a hard time wrapping that concept around your head then who has the problem you or Allah?

    Since the likes of you cant carry discussions with the knowledge on how to worship Allah in Allah's ways you find fault with the ones that do.

    Sheer ignorance is on the part of those who continue ferociously to believe that School of Thought are Sects for no other reason than they cant explain/understand the concept. If one tries to explain to them they keep on denying it for its something they cant follow.

    If their argument was that Sects are wrong and We the Muslims should unite, there is no a single Muslim to argue with that argument. But then question of Unity would have come to follow the Version of Islam presented by the Rasool and not their hawas/nafs. Since thats not possible cos most of the Uniters dont want to follow the example of Rasool Allah say that we have better intelligence than that and we can do things with our own intellect.

    But in essence what they are seriously trying to say is that they have better intellect than the Rasool Allah sallaho alahi wasallam and therefore can change how things were should be.

    Such sad excuses are of the "intellectuals" .

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 1:30 #
  41. Deen and Mazhab! (non religious topic)
    'What we have in the name of Islam today is mazhab. not Deen!
    ============================================================
    The above mentioned quote is from the first post initiating discussion-speaking clearly of a religious issue regarding Deen-e-Islam, rendering this thread 'a religious one'.
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    The members paricipating in discussion on this thread are advised to observe:

    DEEN and MAZHAB (relating Islam) remains an exculisive DOMAIN of BELIEVERS.
    All discussion about deen and mazahab should remain within the confines of ISLAM.

    Blasphemous, ungodly, impious, derisive, mocking and disrespectful posts to ISLAM will be deleted.

    Members should be aware of the 'topic of discussion' before posting their thoughts or references.

    Members can further discuss if this thread is religious or nonreligious.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 7:47 #
  42. shahzad1924

    thanks, keep up the good work!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 7:58 #
  43. LalBichoo.

    @semirza

    "Blasphemous, ungodly, impious, derisive, mocking and disrespectful posts to ISLAM will be deleted."

    >>>>

    The rule should be to delete any illogical/irrelevant/mocking/direspectful towards any religion i.e. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, or Sikhism !!!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 8:07 #
  44. @Red-Scorpion
    Consider the first two mentioned as 'illogical' and thanks for you feed back. The topic relates to 'believers' of the Holy Books.Appreciated.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 9:20 #
  45. talal khan

    i would like to know why God sent 124000 prophets in limited are of paletine and not in Africa, Brazil or China?
    Also why God did not send his message in other languages except Arabic language. Why didnot he send any messenger to Africa wher people were savage man eaters.Why God did not arrange books in a way that the holy books like Bible does not change(by people).Why he does not tell momins who is righjt and who is wrong in interpretation.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 12:07 #
  46. Beenai

    @Talal khan ,
    as far as my knowledge is concerned .
    Quran is the only holy book in Arabic.
    other 3 holy books are not in Arabic.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 12:19 #
  47. NNL

    In Addition to what Beeani bibi said People all over the world do worship some form of a Godliness in one way or the other.

    There was a treatise from Deedat which proved that the half of the tribes all over Africa did refer to their God or Gods as the One and The All Powerful.

    So why do think that infact i think Lota did post Ayats regarding that too.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 12:29 #
  48. Talal :

    Questions to your answers cannot be found in NNL and Beenai's knowledge...

    these people have chosen the narrow path to follow and its useless getting into an argument with this narrow definitional psychology..

    A group of old cunning jews have crafted fake history and fake hero's for these "awam" to follow and its organic to them and linear.....not pan dimensional....

    but its entertaining to question their idols...:)

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 14:50 #
  49. NNL

    Lol Yeah Mulla!

    Ignorance and Arrogance go hand in hand.

    Live it up for there is a shocker at the end of the tunnel.

    I have the belief that Allah's Energy cant be mixed with His Creation and who so ever claims to have enjoined with it is as bonkers as the one who said Aa'nal Haqq.

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 14:56 #
  50. yes, please come out of the Tunnel....

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 14:58 #
  51. NNL

    lol

    Whatever makes you sleep at night

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 14:59 #
  52. hehe!

    do you need company during sleep ? ;)

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 15:03 #
  53. NNL

    And Again Mulla couldnt refrain himself from refering to immorality and lewdness.

    lol

    Trust your Nafs too much eh Mulla1

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 15:05 #
  54. hehe...

    you sometimes act like girls....why ?

    I am just teasing you jigar just teasing you.....

    Mulla!

    Posted 5 years ago on 07 Aug 2009 15:09 #
  55. raheb

    Mr. Moderator, I asked you NOT to play a role of Judge, as on topic you cannot suppose to be a authority, but YOU did so.

    You wrote following;

    "All discussion about deen and mazahab should remain within the confines of ISLAM."........AND the confines of Islam is/are??????????????????

    You wrote,
    "Blasphemous, ungodly, impious, derisive, mocking and disrespectful posts to ISLAM will be deleted."...........
    Any disrespect to any belief or religion is BAD thing, BUT what about views? How can you judge what is Blasphemous etc etc.?
    Remember ONE thing, VIEWS NEVER deleted by deleting a post/mail, BUT they can be discussed and CHANGED by discussion, THIS is the POINT YOU miss Mr. Moderator.

    raheb

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 0:01 #
  56. talal khan

    Mullah
    There are millions of NNLs.Only time and circulation of knowledge will reform their ideas. Till then they would be old or would be enjoying in their self created fantacies of heavens.

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 7:34 #
  57. talal khan

    PKPOLICS/ADM

    If the MODERATORS kept on deleting sensitive religious discussions,then we will remain stuck up.The constipation of ideas will lead us nowhere and semi taliban of this forum will continue harping on the same monotonous arguments

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 7:42 #
  58. DeadlyHonest

    The discussion should be about agreed points to go with further debate...
    Unagreed topics,specially related to, basic Muslim Aqeeda should not be answered, to prove its validity......

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 8:24 #
  59. talal khan

    Whatever I say is deleted by Adm.Is Mull ka Khuda hi Hafiz Ho.Such say hur koi Darta Hay.

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 8:46 #
  60. talal khan

    Log out Hona Hi Behtar Hay

    Posted 5 years ago on 08 Aug 2009 8:49 #

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