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Disasters of Sectarianism in Pakistan

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  1. Naseem. one rectification, please. Tumb Island is a territorial dispute, not an export of the revolution. There have been many such in the region in the past. Remember that horrible dispute over Shatt-al-Arab between the Shah and Saddam and then later between Iran and Saddam?

    Anyway, I don't quite see why we should be abusing each other and hurling accusations of criminal activities at one another's heads. This is only a blogger discussion. Sometimes we agree, sometimes less so. Where's our Eid spirit gone to? Forgive and forget.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Sep 2010 18:21 #
  2. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Mirza Ghalib

    Your words: I don't quite see why we should be abusing each other and hurling accusations of criminal activities at each other's heads.

    I would like to add something. I think we should not try to impose our doctrines over each other. The saints who introduced and spread Islam in this region or other regions taught us tolerance, pluralism and mercifulness. The imported doctrines are the causes of sectarianism in our society. Shias and Sunnis lived in this region with perfect sense of harmony and tolerance for last couple of centuries. We will continue to live the same way till the day of judgement, if no trouble is exported from abroad.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Sep 2010 1:04 #
  3. suprisingly this has not been moved to the faith and religon section (where no one bothers to go) but my post on Zakir naik was shifted there inside a minute shows how neutral the moderaters here are..:P

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Sep 2010 2:20 #
  4. HF, Eid Mubarak to you and many, many thanks for your words of wisdom. I couldn't agree more. Tolerance is no unattainable Utopia. We've proved it before, we'll do so again. The aberration is what is happening today. This will pass. And while on the subject: the revived Ummah, too, is no Utopia. It's round the corner.

    Gunnerz, not to worry we'll land up there as well. And, sorry, but you're wrong about F&R. It's probably the best section on this blog. People just have to discover it. And they're doing so more and more.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Sep 2010 8:43 #
  5. kami1232
    Member

    "Don't forget the Shias have always been the biggest minority group in Pakistan. They didn't need much help from Iran to maintain or strengthen their position. The real relgious minority in terms of figures has always been the Wahabi."
    @ Mirza Ghalib
    Perhapes you are mistaken here.Some time ago i read a blog of ex-RAW officer and according to him sectarian numerical statistics in Pakistan are as follow
    Braelvy 45%
    Deobandi 28%
    Shia 19%
    Ahl-hadith 8%
    SO wahabies are Deobandi 28% + ahl-hadith 8%=36% i.e approximately double than shias.
    A report of Dawn also supports this.According to which in Karachi there are 965 Bralvy mosques, 950 deobandi mosques, 450 shia mosques and 210 ahl hadit mosques.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Sep 2010 11:15 #
  6. Kami1232, thanks for above post. I read it through with a great deal of attention. And now my reactions: One, the figure were highly interesting, but then looking at the source, one didn't quite feel up to according it much trust. How come an ex RAW officer should be telling us about the sectarian situation in Pakistan with any degree of reliability?

    As for the Dawn mosque figures, I submitted them to Shia friends of mine and they burst out laughing. The reason: Mosques are easily built for those who have the money - and certainly no one has denied that the Wahibis are the richest of the sects so far. A mosque does not necessarily mean that your following is great. They further pointed out that the Shia have their countless Imam Baras which double as mosques, so these figures are also deceptive.

    One final remark on the same level: it does go some way to vitiate what has been advanced elsewhere on this blog, namely that Iran and Saudi Arabia are both busy spreading sectarion conflict in this country. Iran would most certainly have the means to overrun Karachi with Shia mosques had it been so inclined.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Sep 2010 13:39 #
  7. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    MG

    Eid Mubarak to you too indeed. The saints who introduced Islam in this region taught us tolerance, equality, love and many other great virtues. If we groom our nation with the same virtues, we shall again transform into a civilized, tolerant and great nation.

    As discussed earlier, people belonging to different schools of taught in this region lived in a perfect environment of brotherhood. It is the foreign intervention which has pushed our society to chaos. We are a pluralistic society with a great variety of conceptual approaches and cultural colors. Our society is supposed be a multi dimensional and colorful society.

    We have to stop foreign intervention in our internal affairs. Intervention in our internal affairs is a shameful and condemnable act of some brother Islamic countries. May Allah bless the rulers of our brother Islamic countries with enlightenment of true guidance, Aameen.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Sep 2010 1:54 #
  8. Once again, HF, I certainly agree with you on all that you say. I'm a great believer in tolerance, equality and love of Allah Talha and our fellow human beings myself.

    Also, I back you up fully on your statement: Our society is supposed to be multi dimensional and a colourful society. How could it be otherwise, seeing that we spring from the most extraordinary geographical location in the world, the Subcontinent?

    Just one small, but essential addition to your last para on foreign intervention. Our brother Islamic countries are involved to some extent. And may Allah grant your prayer. But equally present among our sworn enemies are non-Islamic forces from the West (US, Europe and Israel) and neighbouring India. The damage they have done us, also in sectarian matters, is truly incalculable.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Sep 2010 9:49 #
  9. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Mirza Ghalib

    Thank you for supporting my views on the unity of the Muslim Ummah. We need to ignore our conceptual differences on Islamic teachings and develop unity among ourselves. A united Ummah can cope up with an aggression of any biggest possible magnitude. America, Israel and India will stand nowhere in front of a united Ummah. We shall Insha Allah establish great empires like Ottoman and Mughal.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Sep 2010 15:04 #
  10. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Sectarianism has stricken our beloved country again. Unless foreign funding to the religious organizations is totally stopped, the incidents of terrorism will continue to occur.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Nov 2010 5:23 #
  11. scindian
    Member

    Every thing moves around bread and Butter, and then human desires. few intelligent people among humans world across, always have hijacked religion and have used it to earn the money and also have made ways to protect their permanency through religious amendments.
    Many people believe Sufism is is best solution to probe sectarianism, because they are out of list among sectarian terrorist.
    Now a days Government is trying them and spending bags full of money on sufi concerts on PTV,within country and abroad.

    worth reading article for current paksiatni sufis
    Do read it.

    http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-the-bad-sufi-ss-02

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Nov 2010 6:14 #
  12. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Our society developed by the Sufis is basically a very harmonious and tolerant society. It is the foreign funding and involvement which is producing diasasters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 3:53 #
  13. spruce
    Member

    Gen. zia used mullahs then throw them with no inspection

    he created MQM the educated people gave them Klashankofs

    he created nawaz shareef for worst ethnic promotion
    (hatered) born since then his slogan "" jaab punjabi jaag"

    same as he made G.M syed from Sindh.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 4:14 #
  14. scindian
    Member

    Dear Spruce

    Zia didn't made GM Syed. Please correct your Pak-History.
    He was under house arrest for 30 years during all **** regimes.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Nov 2010 14:26 #
  15. scindian
    Member

    Zia during his wicked rule tried to gather Bhutto's opponents as many as he could Sean GM Syed was one of them.
    He had once visited GM syed at Hospital bed and tried to offer money.
    Saen GM syed praised Zia for his actions against Bhutto.

    About GM syed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._M._Syed

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Nov 2010 14:37 #
  16. sadaekashmir
    Member

    g m sayed was a mayopic tunnel visioned sindi nationalist who cared only for sindis and not for Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Nov 2010 15:40 #
  17. @spruce

    he created nawaz shareef for worst ethnic promotion (hatered) born since then his slogan "" jaab punjabi jaag"

    same as he made G.M syed from Sindh.

    @scindian

    Zia didn't made GM Syed.

    Both of you are partially correct.

    In 'The Sindh Story', K. R. Malkani, ex VP of BJP, questions GM Syed as follows:

    "Q. Why are you more opposed to Bhutto than to Zia?

    A. When a Bhutto is in power, people get a false sense of power and democracy. Actually it is Punjabis who move the strings of Bhutto or his daughter. When, on the other hand, a Zia is in power, people see it as a Punjabi, and an Army-man, in power. I consider veiled Punjabi rule more dangerous than an open one, because it hides facts and deceives the people. I am interested in change of system-from a centralized Pakistan to a confederal one-and not just a change of rulers-from Zia to Benazir."

    (Appendix: G M Syed's Visit)

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Nov 2010 16:05 #
  18. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Zia's regime boosted the organizations which are responsible for terrorism and sectarianism in our society. Our society was a religiously harmonious and tolerant society before Zia's regime.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 4:02 #
  19. spruce
    Member

    why so many Pakistanis are stabbing each other in the back?

    The situation in Pakistan is worse than sad and desperate; it’s ugly and demoralizing. Rather than feeling sorry for themselves and wallowing in victimhood, some Pakistanis want their fellow citizens to wake up to their own self-inflicted suffering.

    Here’s what Pakistanis are talking about: natural disaster, a wave of man-made disasters — sectarian strife and terrorist attacks — has devastated their country.

    I want Pakistanis to feel ****, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great. This is the only way for us to begin to doubt ourselves and the incessant excuses we make.

    Pakistan is grappling at last with the violence, corruption and prejudice that has stained its history. Much of it is unfathomable to outsiders. It is enough to know that for all the country’s faults, its 170 million people — who have withstood such indignities and impoverishment — ought not to be made to pay for it again. Foreign donors cannot give up on Pakistan merely because of its violent terrorists or venal landlords.

    http://www.thestar.com/article/860510--cohn-pakistan-s-man-made-disasters

    By Martin Regg Cohn
    Columnist
    Ottawa is giving Canadians, and Pakistanis, a second chance

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 6:44 #
  20. scindian
    Member

    Mr. Jinnah, on the 23rd of March 1940, at the Lahore session of All India Muslim League, said the following:

    Mr. Jinnah in his speech quoted in these extracts can exactly apply mutandis to the claim of Sindhi people to be treated as a notion and not as a minority in Pakistan.

    Book Name Nation in chains
    Tiltle; ESTABLISHMENT OF SEPARATE MUSLIM STATES Paragraph No.18

    http://gmsyed.wesindhi.com/books/A_Nation_In_Chains/

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 8:38 #
  21. Zia during his wicked rule tried to gather Bhutto's opponents as many as he could Sean GM Syed was one of them.

    "Q. Why, you think, Zia let you come?

    A. I do not know. When I was ailing last year, Badshah Khan had come to see me in Sann. When, therefore, he fell ill, I wanted to come and see him. I wrote to the Government of Pakistan. They took 20 days to reply to my application. I had not expected an okay, and I was pleasantly surprised. One reason could be that they expect me to speak out here-and they plan to punish me for that when I return to Sindh. Fact, however, is that I speak more in Sindh than I do here. Another reason could be that they have nothing against me. What t say, I say publicly, and I have been saying it for years. I am a man of non-violence. Sindhi youths are impatient. They think I am weak. But I know that if there is a physical confrontation, we will be crushed. Gen. Tikka Khan is saying that they want Sindh, and not Sindhis. Nasrullah is another Punjabi fantatic. Ex-Air Marshal Asghar speaks the same language."

    He had once visited GM syed at Hospital bed and tried to offer money.

    "Q. Zia called on you when you broke your leg.

    A. Yes, he did-in Karachi. And he said he will call on me in my native Sann also. But he has not. And you know why? Half a dozen Punjabi women demonstrated outside his residence,-urging him not to see an “enemy of Pakistan like G.M. Syed.” Such is the power of public opinion. That is why I want Sindhis in Delhi etc. to demonstrate against Pakistan embassy, when they harass us. That will create world opinion agai nst Pakistan-and encourage Sindhi nationalists in their struggle."

    (The Sindh Story)

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 11:15 #
  22. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Zia encouraged all those negative elements who were supportive to him.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 15:07 #
  23. @Hussain Farooqui

    I fully agree with you. It was Zia who let these fasadi elements to grow in our society and today we are paying for his mistakes.
    Ruler of Pakistan do not have guts to stop spread/rise of Saudi brand extreme salafi Islam in Pakistan. Fasadi molvis are gang raping the religion.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Nov 2010 15:36 #
  24. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Sweettruth

    During Zia's regime, Maderesas and mosques became the recruitment and training centers of warriors for Afghan war. Around 60 billion dollars poured into Pakistan for the purpose. Today, the nation is paying back those 60 billions with unbearably heavy deficits.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Nov 2010 5:35 #
  25. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Sweettruth

    During Zia's regime, Maderesas and mosques became the recruitment and training centers of warriors for Afghan war. Around 60 billion dollars poured into Pakistan for the purpose. Today, the nation is paying back those 60 billions with unbearably heavy deficits.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Nov 2010 5:35 #

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