Why Pakistanis complain more about their government than Indians?

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Why Pakistanis complain more about their government than Indians?

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azizi
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Do Pakistanis complain more about their government (politicians, bureaucrats and others) than Indians?

I have noticed that in a typical Pakistani American gathering, people talk about what Pakistan should have achieved but did not. They usually complain about rampart corruption, lack of ethics and lack of economic elevation of the poor. On the other hand I have not heard many Indian (Muslim or non) complaining about their government. Probably, you will see more displeasure toward Pakistani politicians and bureaucrats on this site than Indian anger on their politicians and bureaucrats on the entire Internet.

Other than establishing a democratic system, I do not see Indians could make Pakistanis envy of their progress. At the time of partition the area of current Pakistan was contributing about 7% of the total GDP of Subcontinent (IN, PK, BD) while its current share is about 24%.

Size of corruption can be measured from the black money of each country in Swiss banks. I could not find the Pakistani figures but they are not among the top five (5th one is 96B). India being on the top of the world corruption (1456 billion), Pakistanis would have done less than 5% of the total loot of the Subcontinent.

Everyone knows about the comparative number of poor in two countries, standard of living and difference between the rich and poor. The current area of Pakistan was 7% of the total Sub-continental population at partition while it has about 11% share now.

The question arises why we complain more than Indian about our country. Is it something in our national psyche or is it the standard set by our religion in our conscience?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 8:01 #
mubasshar
Member

the reason is that their govt think about their country first. you hardly find any corruption case or scandal of parliament member. when they talk to other countries they talk on their conditions.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 8:46 #
Anonymous

@mubasshar, did you even read khalifa's post??
"India being on the top of the world corruption (1456 billion), Pakistanis would have done less than 5% of the total loot of the Subcontinent."

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 15:00 #
Adonis
Member

Maybe its because indian hindus have been slaves for a 1000 years. So now their own sovereign nation is too good to be true for them so they are ready to accept it in whatever pathetic condition it may be.

But that aside, overseas Pakistanis do complain a lot, really a lot. Apparently, it is less a reflection of the state of affairs in the country than a manifestation of guilty conscious that many of them have for leaving their motherland.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 16:09 #
mubasshar
Member

@bsobaid

as an overseas pakistani i can say that indian consulate is working much much better than pakistani consulate. they really do care of their people if they stuck into some problem. but as for as pakistani consulate concerns no body even listen u or give u time to meet.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 16:57 #
Sahnaz
Member

as im in sydney now frm last two months, i wud lv to share ma sm experience with ma inddian classmates. we r r about 15 students in professional communication class. im only one is pakistani n three of them r indian rest r chiense n korean n japanese. well there was a discussion on sterotyping abt other nationality. u knw wat most of students talked abt pakistan. im nt talking abt indians but others, Osama n alquiada. i was really speechless n surprised to knw tht nonone knw abt real paksitan. they hv a image made by media in their mind. when those people did talk abt India, they wr talking abt IT n Taj Mahal, Mediation n bollywood.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 19:02 #
misalligned
Member

our Govt. only projects our miseries so they could get more financial aid which goes directly in their bank accounts

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 22:23 #
Believer
Member

What I have noticed is that Pakistanis focus on negative issues. and that is mainly because of the media.

Indian media portrays bollywood and cultural activities while Pakistani media is more focused on political chat shows.

I feel angry when I see Pakistanis only focusing on negative issues. For example, if you tell a Pakistani that Pakistan has built a seven star hotel, his response will not reflect pride, he will say: 'who can afford to stay in them?'

If you tell a Pakistani that the government has built a disneyland, he will not be happy and say 'why waste money on disneyland, why not give it to the poor'. he doesn't realise that disneyland will bring in more revenue and create job opportunity.

When I told my friends about India being the biggest corrupt country (black money in switzerland), they said it is because India is progressing while we are not and that is why we don't have enough black money to put in banks.

When you are destined to talk negatively, you will only get negative reports

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 22:42 #
Anonymous

Believer, you are absolutely right.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 1:39 #
shahzad1924
member

the worst things is to have a lunch or dinner with some Pakistanis living abroad on a fine weekend. they will keep on talking about the problems, swear at all politicians, and at the end, they will go home without discussing possible solutions.

frankly, its a waste of time.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 1:44 #
Anonymous

Those Pakistanis who live abroad and complain are the biggest jerks and losers. Pakistan invested in them in their education and they left the country and the worse part, they now sit and complain about Pakistan. laanat hoo aisay logoo pay.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 1:51 #
tahir001
Member

@bsobaid,

Yes having reached western lands those laanatis see a big difference between back home and here. Here is an example.

Ok guys, good writing, good dreaming, you are all decent gentlemen and scholars. Now let’s wake up and be for real.
This is a suburb of Lahore the great vibrant city of colleges, universities, intellectuals, sportsmen and good food.
My local nazim (a Jat by caste, he never fails to tell this even before his name) well on his way to becoming a successful politician failed in Mat rick (everybody knows), was not seen in any college has skillfully managed to obtain a BA degree from the University of Punjab.
He is a well known womanizer and was part of a racket run under police protection of this nature and in the process befriended a number of policemen. Ordinary locals who would run into problems of various types would always use his services. He is very generous with ordinary local folks with his time, safarish help and sometimes money. He is very regular at Data Darbar. With some local members of Malik biradri he is said to be also involved in land usurping, extortion and robbery as a side business. Some say he has an indirect hand in murders in conjunction with the local underworld criminals.
He is a man of below average intelligence and does not know much about anything, but for sure has an opinion about the world politics all the way to local politics. He is well connected with the grassroots.
He brags and boasts about having access to the governor of the province and having attended meetings with Monis Elahi and Pervaiz Elahi (he was elected during their regime).
During the election he was opposed by a retired military officer (a decent family man), and a representative of well known religious party, both lost because our locals love him. On important holidays he rides around on a decorated truck with a bunch of (illiterate thuggish looking) men raising slogans.
I see this man as a rising star and a successful leader and politician who may become an MPA or an MNA and make decisions of life and death for all of us who are discussing Khilafa, world politics and the United States.
I see none of you (including myself) getting anywhere with our superfluous thoughts and writings in the real world out there.

BudMaashi and Budmaash rule in the Muslim society of Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:22 #
Anonymous

tahir, this was an interesting and funny and ironic article all at the same time. Look, when we say people complain I dont necessarily say these complains are about non-existant or false issues. I just dont like the fact that they themselves ran away from the country and did not contribute to their homeland and now they just do blind criticism with no positive suggestions whatsoever. This is what I hate the most.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:31 #
AsifK
Members

I think there are couple of reasons for that.

a) Our governments are not elected, representatives of masses. Indian , being a democratic country have elected governemtns and people have a sense of participation.

b) ARMY , over the period has done so much of propogandaa against politicians that an ordinary person takes pride in abusing politicians like they are not less than a devel.

Prime example is that no one in Pakistan was against Musharaf for at least first 3/4 yeras becaz he was a General (Doodh kaa Nahaiya Howa) but a so called political president took office , things starting flowing in from the very first week . and now , less than a year down the road , we are speaking of minus-one formula.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:39 #
Anonymous

Yes, Asif K is right and the only way we can fix this situation is to analyse the policies and alternatives rather than their personal lives.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 14:49 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

india has no feudalistic element in their politics.... thats why Pakistani politics appears more corrupt. and indian politics are kind of different from Pakistan, its not that much about family raj i would say. in Pakistan, it is all about age old rivalries that keep coming again and again.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 18:22 #
Fahim23
Member

I am also of the opinion that problem is with our attitudes - how we take religion (parrot like but with extreme views), how we do business (profiteering, hording, adultery, corruption etc), how any government position from clerkship to Generals/presidents makes us feel like gods instead of public servants, and how are we at homes especially with our women.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 18:51 #