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Do Pathans have Jewish roots ?

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ams
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/taliban-jewish-roots/story?id=9535559

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 13:36 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Sahaba-e-Karaam (in urdu) were from families, who were staunch non-Muslims.

What's the point ?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 13:42 #
toamin
member

what a racist thread-

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 13:45 #
truepakistani
Member

yes racist thread.

all muslims were non muslims before converting to islam.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 14:10 #
barackosama
Member

Old Testament history scholars believe that Pashtuns belong to the largest of 12 lost Israeli tribes.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 14:44 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

ALL mankind is from Adam (AS) and his (AS) wife.

ALL criminals, traitors or best of good people are from the same blood line of Adam (AS) and his (AS) wife.

So, I ask again, what's the point ?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 15:36 #
haider3
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The point is, HK, that the people elect, God's Chosen, are once again trying to make trouble for the Muslims. And, I imagine, there are some Pathans who lap up the stuff willingly. feel it's a compliment. Hope to share in the ill-gotten wealth of the J's. After our Pathan Jews, we'll be getting the Punjabi Jews, to be followed by the Sindhi Jews, and, and, and. Everyone a Jew except for the good old Palestinians. They are to be excluded from the human race.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 15:49 #
azizi
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Broadly, I tend to agree with HK. But if someone wants to be picky about this issue, here is my take.

1- Many people in our part of the world (Subcontinent and Afghan) proudly claim to be direct or indirect descendent of Arabs. Arabs and Jews are considered as Semites (Abrahamic roots).

2- Ask any Jew who was the first Jew. He will answer, “Ibrahim”. Since we also claim to be related to Ibrahim, we were Jews by a Jewish definition. After all, they are our cousins.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 15:57 #
barackosama
Member

Only the sons of Isaac are Jews from Abraham through Sarah. By the Jewish definition, Ishmaelites although of Abraham geneology are not Jews.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 16:13 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Muhammad (SAW) is also from the bloodlines of Ibrahim (AS).

We were never Jews. ALLAH ALMIGHTY created ALL mankind as Muslims. They can be our cousins. That is no reason for us to like them.

We make friends or enemies for the sake of ALLAH ALMIGHTY, not by looking at blood lines. Those who are loyal to ALLAH ALMIGHTY, they are our friends. Those who are not loyal to ALLAH ALMIGHTY, they are our enemies regardless of their blood-lines.

(1) Bloodlines couldn't save the sons' of Prophets (AS) in their times.

(2) There's an event where Abu-Bakr (RA, RAA) and his (RA, RAA) son fought on opposite sides in a war. Does anyone remember what Abu-Bakr (RA, RAA) told his (RA, RAA) son when they talked about it ?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 16:40 #
azizi
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[Peace be on all the Prophets]

The word Jew is derived from the name of one of the sons, "Juddah", of Jacob [Yakoob] (Jacob's nick name was Israel). The Jews believe they are the followers of Musa but in an extended meaning they make the origin of Judaism (monotheistic part of the believe) to Ibrahim.

There is a similar analogy for Muslims who believe that they are the follower of Muhammad (SAW) but in the extended definition of a Muslim, the root of Islam goes back to Ibrahim.

So the Jews claim (in an extended definition) that the first Jew was Ibrahim. I assume Muslims also claim that first Muslim was Ibrahim?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 16:53 #
skunkk
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Hariskhan aur mirza itna emotional kyun hotay ho har baat mein?

Jews believe in a religious aspect to the racial distribution of the world. Islam neither accepts nor rejects such belief. As per the proponents of such theory the world was repopulated by the sons of Hazrat Nuh a.s. Who were three in number.

Shem or سام
Japeth or یافت
Ham or حام

Subsequently Hazrat Ibrahim had two sons, Hazrat Ismail's children became Arabs and Hazrat Isaac's Jews. At that time they were all jews i.e followers of the shariat of Ibrahim and then later Musa. However, before Hazrat Musa twelve sons were morn to Yaqoub a.s who became the twelve tribes of Israel. After the demise of Suleiman a.s the Kingdom fell into in fighting during which Assyrians invaded. The resulting chaos and deliberate exile resulted in the myth of ten lost tribes of Israel (Israel is the title of Yaqub a.s). Pathans claimed their descent from these lost tribes.

As far as rest of the Pakistan is concerned we are Aryans with a minor portion of Arab/Semite blood. Aryans trace descent from Japeth.

Just a theory, thought it would interest you.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Apr 2010 20:07 #
NNL
member

Jews believe in a religious aspect to the racial distribution of the world. Islam neither accepts nor rejects such belief.

Skunk
your theory is partly right i.e The Jews believing in the racial distribution of religion. However Islam does reject AND rejects such belief. I thought i point it out as it could be what u were trying to say .

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 1:37 #
zia m
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The Torah is based on mythical history of the Jews.They very conveniently had Noah curse his grandson Canaan(son of Ham).This gave them an excuse to wage war against the Canaanites(modern day palestine).
This also gave rise to racism, Ham being dark coloured his descendants were declared cursed by Yaweh and worthy of slavery.

http://www.racematters.org/noahscurseslaverysrationale.htm

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 2:20 #
yahya
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Jews are descendants of the Israelite tribe Judah. The rest of 11 Israelite tribes are generally unknown of. Pushtoons may be descendants of the missing tribes but are not Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#The_Tribes_of_Israel

Bnai Israel
There is an ethnic-religious group in Pakistan and Afghanistan which refers to itself as the Bnai Israel, House of Israel, or Beit Israel. In English, the group is called the Pashtuns. Some Pashtuns claim to be the patriarchal historical descendants of the "ten lost tribes" of the northern Kingdom of Israel which were taken into captivity by Assyria.[citation needed] Additionally, certain groups of Jews in India are referred to as Bene Israel.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 2:48 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH,

@Azizi: The root from where everything begins is ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

Each and every Prophet that ALLAH ALMIGHTY sent, called mankind towards ALLAH ALMIGHTY. Jews were people who consistently rejected these calls. ALLAH ALMIGHTY sent the most! amount of Prophets to them, so that they may improve themselves.

ALLAH ALMIGHTY;

(1) created mankind
(2) gave mankind a way of life to adhere to
(3) gave mankind Islami Nizam to implement ALL throughout this word, this universe
(4) wants mankind that HE created to be loyal to HIM, rather than to themselves, their own desires

That is in their best interest.

Jews sidelined/abandoned that which came to them from ALLAH ALMIGHTY, through multiple Prophets. They started committing gross violations, gross level of crimes, which continues even today.

Jews are fools to do so. For an average person's life in this world is 60-100 years. Some in the past were even fortunate enough to live for 1000 years.

In contrast, the after-life is eternal, never-ending. Jews have chosen a life of crime, inflicting pain onto others in this life, and as a result have accepted a life of great pain, great suffering in the after-life.

Today, they are behind most (if not ALL) of the 'fasad' (in urdu) (injustice, terrorism, killing, looting, spreading chaos, etc etc) that is going on in the world today.

That is why we go against them.

We, as Muslims accept that which came to us from ALLAH ALMIGHTY, through Muhammad (SAW), the last! messenger of ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

If we don't, then we have no right to call ourselves, Muslims.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 5:46 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH,

@skunk: What interests me is loyalty to;

(1) ALLAH ALMIGHTY

Creator of ALL! mankind, Jin, ALL of this Universe and everything within it, etc etc.

(2) Islam

The way of life ALLAH ALMIGHTY chose for mankind, as mentioned in the Quran, in 'Surah' 'Maida'

(3) Muhammad (SAW)

The creator's last Messenger. Last in the lengthy line of Prophets.

(4) Hadees

Ways of Muhammad (SAW), nearly ALL of which are as per 'Wahi' from ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

(5) Companions (RA, RAA) of Muhammad (SAW)

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This life is temporary. The after-life is eternal.

The after-life is the driver of the cart of my life. It needs to be the driver of cart of every Muslim's life, in-fact every human being's life.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 5:55 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH,

With each new Prophet that was sent by ALLAH ALMIGHTY, that which was previously sent by ALLAH ALMIGHTY became obsolete.

ALLAH ALMIGHTY sent 4 holy books;

(1) Tawrat (Torah)
(2) Zabur
(3) Injil
(4) Qur'an

With each new holy book that ALLAH ALMIGHTY would send, the old one would become obsolete.

After arrival of Muhammad (SAW), after arrival of Quran, there is no way any group of mankind can claim, the old book or set of beliefs is still acceptable today.

It is not, as per ALLAH ALMIGHTY's decree. ALLAH ALMIGHTY will not accept this excuse on the day of judgment.

ALLAH ALMIGHTY has clearly mentioned;

(1) Muhammad (SAW) is the last in the line of Prophets that will ever come to mankind
(2) that ALLAH ALMIGHTY has chosen Islam for ALL mankind to come till eternity from that point onward

It is mentioned in Quran, Surah Maida.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 6:06 #
lota6177
Members

Do pathans have jewish and greek roots? Does the Afridi pathans and greek godess Aphrodite have anything in common?
Do memons have jewish roots?
http://fr.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339436797&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://forecasthighs.com/2010/01/10/israelites-fund-scholarship-to-study-dna-link-to-taliban/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lucknow-Pathans-have-Jewish-roots/articleshow/5431654.cms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/israel-lost-tribes-pashtun
Yusufzai which BTW translates in Pukhto into "Sons of Joseph" ; then we have the Afridi (Efraim?) in the Khyber (ring a bell as in Khaibar of the northern Arabian Peninsula--who were slaughtered/"converted" by the new Arab armies in the 7th cent), the Barakzai (sons of BARAK), the BARAKI/ORMURI (OMRI?) of Kaniguram, South Waziristan. The Suleiman (Soloman) Mountains. Takht e Suleiman (Soloman's throne) ADAM KHEL (Adam's place) ETC ETC.
http://www.dangoor.com/74069.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/10/20/MN.DTL
http://www.dangoor.com/74039.html

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 8:26 #
toamin
member

we muslims believe that all humans trace back to Hazrat Adam AS.

all human races trace back to single human :)

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 9:35 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I still want to know why this thread was posted ?

Why do some people on this forum/community consistently;

(1) defocus our attention from our issues, our problems ?

(2) divert us onto topics such as the topic of this thread, which has no significance what-so-ever for us, as a people, as a collective ?

What do they want to achieve, by defocusing us from REAL life as well as ALL that which is going on in REAL life ?

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 9:37 #
toamin
member

well, west wants to justify that they were not defeated by muslims, rather defeated by 'jews' :)

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 9:40 #
haider3
member

Interesting theory. Might be so.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Apr 2010 10:18 #