EID MOON WILL NOT APPEAR THIS RAMZAN: MUFTI KUMZOOR IMAN

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EID MOON WILL NOT APPEAR THIS RAMZAN: MUFTI KUMZOOR IMAN

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broadkast.pk
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EID MOON WILL NOT APPEAR THIS RAMZAN: MUFTI KUMZOOR IMAN Because the spirit of Ramzan has has been worsely damaged by the greedy Sugar Terrorsists (Millers) and current government of Kiyani. Poor were badly treated this Ramzan as they had nothhing to eat and drink during and after Iftar. They protested to Almighty that , You gave us one month to eat easily but Governors, Millers, have deprive us of this priviledge.

This exploitation by the Sugar Terrorists and Government Cronies has made the Divinity Angery and Moon will be in turbulance SO there will be No Eid Moon this Ramzan.

Ramzan is a month of poor. Poor fast all the year and Millers earn all the year.So there will be No To EID.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 12:20 #
zjshami
Member

This time all Eid dishes will be salty in Pakistan.
It will be OK next year, Inshallah.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:21 #
semirza
Moderator

The question is 'Eid Moon will not appear'. What happened to the moon than? Sharia says visual sighting of moon is of prime importance. Good enough! Could scientific means be in accordance to Sharia and thus helpful in resolving this issue?

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:28 #
netengr
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Zionist Scientist will stop the moon ...

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:30 #
semirza
Moderator

@netengr
stop this 'off topic' crusade and come up with something logical. I know you can! Something scientific that is acceptable.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:34 #
mulla1
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sharia is superior to science!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:34 #
netengr
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@semirza

why you don't close this thread ? is the any reference of this news ?

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:43 #
zjshami
Member

Here in America, the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), has developed a Lunar Calendar for 10 years, fixing all the Islamic Holy Activities to be conducted according to that Calendar.
They don't bother about the formalities of sighting the Moon through Telescope.
Very realistic, logical, scientific and reasonable.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:48 #
semirza
Moderator

You may have noticed that the thread owner is highlighting the moon sighting issue and the head of 'moon sighting committee' (lajnah ruiyet-e-hilal.)

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:51 #
mulla1
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countries of the west of Saudia Arabia are allowed to do eid with Saudia....not on the east, easter countries will have to look for their own moon sighting....

and sighting the moon is not mandatory.....but indian ulema take the literal meaning of the hadees and this causes a rift among desis......otherwise unity of the ummah can justify the saudi moon sighting but desi's want to collect money on their own terms!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:54 #
netengr
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Muliple Eids is the scientific fact and there is no issue of unity of Ummah ,This is the same as different timing of Namaz in different countries

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:57 #
mulla1
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multiple eids in the masajid in the same block ?

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 19:58 #
netengr
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lol

phir unhon nay balcony say niklay hue chand ko daikha hoga

Kal shab daikha main chand jharokay main
uss ko kia salam tumharay dhokay main

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:00 #
mulla1
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mere samnay wali khirki mein aik "chaand" ka tuqra rehta hai!

(astaghfirulla)

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:01 #
semirza
Moderator

So it means that this is not an issue at all. This morning I asked the same question to one of my Shia colleagues. He said they don’t worry as this has been calculated and settled already for the coming ten years! Why Mufti Sahib is not being flexible?

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:02 #
semirza
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Bhai, yahan 'a'anchil ki a'arh main choopey cha'and ki ba'at naheen ho rahi. Us chan ki jis ko Mufti Sahab dekhney mein na'akami ka khadsha zahir ker rehey hain!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:04 #
mulla1
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mirza ji:

arabs huzoor ke zamana mein bhi falakiyat mein kafi tarqi yafta they or Nabi Allah bhi jantay they keh chand muqarar hai!

baat chanday ki hai! shia sunni aik din eid karain gey to ho sakta hai chanday aik hi taraf chala jaye! or yeh aik hogaye to molvi ka kiya ho ga, lehaza molvi ne khud hi se sahee hadees bana li keh chand shartiya dekha jaye!

halanakay hadees e shareef kehti hai keh matala abar alood ho to 30 poray karo !
agar aik din eid ho gi, to molvi ko apni apni masjid mein eid ki jamat naheen karwa sakay ga or chanday naheen millay ga, kionkeh sab loog baray ijtimah mein chalay jayen ge or wahan aik hi imam ho ga, lehaza jinhoon ne taraweeh parhai un ko pesay kon de ga ?
masla chanday ka hai!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:07 #
semirza
Moderator

I hate this side of subcontinental Muftis. Just for alms they have to distort simple facts!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:11 #
mulla1
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oh you have no idea what they are upto!

they are the ones which have divided us into this mess!

everything is chanda!

I have a whole study on the this issue of chand and have been an advisor for ICNA, ISNA , Sharia Boards for this chand issue!

and I swear I used to cry tears of blood when I found out that all of them are violent about their motives of chanda!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:13 #
semirza
Moderator

Although I am not a Shia, but here I see their system of 'Khums' a financial contribution that is used as a social advantage towards the needy Shia and that also quite effectively. The results are visible.
While on the other hand collection of Zakat Fund and its fair contribution among the needy as of yet remains a controversial issue.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:53 #
netengr
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I trust on Pakistani Hilal committee ,Saudi ,UAE and all Islamic countries board .
All muslims should trust the authorities and follow them .

in USA and UK the situation is different .

But Celebrating Eid in USA with Saudi Arabia is not logical .

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 20:56 #
mulla1
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according to fiqh, countries like usa can do their eid with usa moon sighting!

this is a fiqhi injunction!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:00 #
semirza
Moderator

Yes and that may be due to the distance betweeen Saudia and USA.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:01 #
mulla1
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nope, it has to do with the path of the moon........and also to unite the muslims of the west with the center of the world...

kaaba!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:05 #
netengr
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After maghrib on Eid day I see people discussing "ajj chota chand hay " "ajj bara chand hay Eid kal ki thi " blah blah .

aur kuch log yeh bhi kehtay hua nazer aatay hain kay jis ki hukomat ho woh apna hisab say eid kerwata hay ...bhai hukomat ko eid delay kerwnay ka kia faida hay ?

we used to hear from puplic "nawaz shareef nay ajj ki eid kerwadi " bainazir na kal ki eid ker wadi " mushraf nay eid kerwadi "

I thin there is not issue with Islamic countries authorities ,

The earth is divided into lunar zones so authorities can divide the country in two or more lunar zones if country geographical area is large .

Moon sightening is the same as the prayers timings cannot be adjust with other country .following Saudi Arabia in USA is the stupid and illogical theory .

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:12 #
mulla1
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mirza ji: did u know that khums is not only shia's ...here is the evidence of it from Sahih bukhari! (wikipedia)

Further evidence from the Hadith (al-bukhari)

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The delegates of the tribe of 'Abdul-Qais came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We are from the tribe of Rabi'a, and there is the infidels of the tribe of Mudar intervening between you and us, so we cannot come to you except in the Sacred Months. So please order us some instructions that we may apply it to ourselves and also invite our people whom we left behind us to observe as well." The Prophet said, "I order you (to do) four (things) and forbid you (to do) four: I order you to believe in Allah, that is, to testify that None has the right to be worshiped but Allah (the Prophet pointed with his hand); to offer prayers perfectly; to pay Zakat; to fast the month of Ramadan, and to pay the Khumus (i.e. one-fifth) of the ghanima → غَنِمْتُم (see the note on citation above)to Allah and I forbid you to use Ad-dubba', An-Naqir, Al-Hantam and Al-Muzaffat (i.e. utensils used for preparing alcoholic drinks)."[7][8][9]

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:16 #
mulla1
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net:

you are confusing solar time tables with lunars!

salat is different issue, eid is different issue!

in usa we have eids on different days in the same block, which is a joke!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:18 #
netengr
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Salat follows the solar and Eid follows Lunar ,Both varies in different geographic locations at same time .

I agree different Eids in the same block is a joke .but one has to leave his opinion .

Even Saudi Arabia's Ulema do not ask other Muslims in the world to follow them .

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:29 #
mulla1
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yes , now you are able to see what I was saying, in usa its a joke, in the same mohalla, we have three eids!

saudis do not watch the moon, they use the nasa's lunar calnder!

Mulla!

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 21:37 #
misalligned
Member

ahhh haaaah kisi nain message karnain walay kay dard ko nahin samjha aur moon sighting shoroo ho gai.

Eid brings joy, happiness but look at the conditions in pakistan, will this eid brings some happiness if not then there is no moon there is no eid......sad

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 22:11 #
khurram Zaman
Member

This sight needs complete study bfore discussing further pls..
Sight of JAMIATUR_RASHEED Pakistan since,1993.

http://moonsighting.com/

Thanx

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 22:59 #
shahzad1924
member

i think this topic was discussed at the beginning of ramadhan but anyway, ill just mention a few points;

there are mainly two opinions;

local sighting (shafi)
global sighting (all others)

and calculations are not allowed because in a hadith the Prophet (SAW) said that a month is either this (29) or that (30) (he did a hand gesture to show that these are the only two possibilities) and then (in the same hadith or another one, can't remember) he said that we do not calculate for the moon. and although there are so many calculations in the economics of Islam, still the Prophet (SAW) said that we do not calculate which is a "qareenah" of the forbiddance of calculations for the moon.

Posted 2 years ago on 10 Sep 2009 0:30 #
NNL
member

If one cant see the moon then one has to look in the last 2 months. If the last 2 months were of 29 days then the 3rd automatically becomes 30 days.

If they cant see it they have to look for reports in their surroundings or in the earlier days whether the moon was on its final decent and judge it from them. If they have doubts or unconfirmed reports they can decide on their own.

Posted 2 years ago on 10 Sep 2009 2:25 #
Beenai
Moderator

i fail to understand whats the point of a whole body consists of Mullahas has been on pay roll of Govt just for sighting moon thrice in a year .Ramazan,Shawwal and Zilhaj.
2. i also fail to understand that when TV ,camera ,picture are all Haram...then why Mullas and Muftis are so found of coming in front of camera to announce the sight of the moon themselves ?
there is no need so .
they can sight moon and inform the media men that it has been sought or not ?
whats the point if coming on air themselves ?

Posted 2 years ago on 10 Sep 2009 4:34 #
shahzad1924
member

i agree with 1 but i would beg to differ with 2. but anyway that would take the discussion off the track.

Posted 2 years ago on 10 Sep 2009 5:04 #
semirza
Moderator

This topic is closed.

Posted 2 years ago on 10 Sep 2009 7:49 #