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Emerging World Order!

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  1. Revivalist
    member

    The world is at a cross road. Our time is difficult. The present is unstable. But Insha‘Allah the future is bright. The signs of 'American century' coming to an end are very clear. Anyone with profound knowledge can see this very happening. America is becoming weak. She is weary. She is fragile. Her global reach has been dented. Her global ambition is even challenged by countries like North Korea. She does not solely control the world any more. She is stabbed by the apparent rise of Russia and China. But there is an even bigger challenge she is facing; saving her status quo in remaining in the reign of world‘s only global state......

    TO download the book (free) please use the link below;
    http://khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/books/10607-book-emerging-world-order-the-islamic-khilafah-state

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 12:32 #

  2. haider3
    member

    OK, Revivalist, thanks. Have taken note. Shall try and read through it and get back to you.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:11 #

  3. toamin
    member

    revivalist -i hear it coming :)
    Here is Usmani Mehter band composition done recently-

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:12 #

  4. Revivalist
    member

    MG, that would be better :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:16 #

  5. Revivalist
    member

    Its definitely coming bro!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:19 #

  6. toamin
    member

    Orya says the same thing but uses different way-

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:26 #

  7. Revivalist
    member

    Very interesting article indeed :), however, for us the words of Muhammad (saw) is enough which is “..and khilafah will reestablish on the method of prophethood"...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 14:50 #

  8. haider3
    member

    Let me begin with you Salam, then I'll go back to what I've picked up in this short while about Rivivalist's book link.

    You really do have the most fantastic videos up ypur sleeve. How fantastic to see the Turks performing along with a Russian band! As for Orya's astrological approach, I was glad to learn that Pakistan had its sun and three other planets in the 4th house. Exactly the right place for them to be in: the mother figure and the home. That is where we'll get our nourishment from.

    Revivalist: I've managed three chapters of the book so far. On paper it all looks perfectly right. All the facts and figures of united Muslim might are known to many of us already. But the operative word in all this is the "Emerging" Khilafah. You can't learn to run before you've learnt to walk. You can't jump from Neocolonialism to Khilafa overnight. I, and others like me, feel we'll have to go through the resurgent Ummah stage first before we can enter the Khilafah finally. And before anything at all can take place in this direction, we need a strong and steady Pakistan. We're the next leaders of the Muslim world. But Muslims will have to wait a bit before we recover our strength. So carry on the good work, but arm yourself with patience as well.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 16:52 #

  9. truths
    Member

    salam interesting article its for those who against talban who use language of western usa moderate,
    i several time publish here afghan nation unbeatble in world prove with several hadidth and articles but people of modern thinking having against them, as you say about afghan forces in hadith

    all system by ALLAH its a thinking as we muslim then pakistani we proud this article for in favour of pakistan

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 18:13 #

  10. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    We know its coming. To 'only' 'know about it' is not enough. The important questions are;

    (1) How are we going to deal with it ?
    (2) Who of us is going to deal with it ?
    (3) When are we going to do something about it ?
    (4) What is our game plan, the plan of Muslims for dealing with it ?
    (5) Are we brave enough to stand up to it ?

    (6) Do we Muslims 'understand' that;

    (a) it takes 'fighting' those who challenge us, in order to safeguard 'our' 'freedom', our 'interests', our 'well-being', in order to push forward our agenda of spreading Islam in each and every bit of this universe/multi-verse ?

    (b) in this era this 'fight' has 'spread' to all other realms of our life, be it political, financial, social, judicial, intellectual, health, etc etc ?

    Our success or failure in each and every part of our life has a 'direct' impact on our success or failure in other parts of our life.

    (7) etc etc

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 19:29 #

  11. Sikandar Riza
    Member

    Astrology is an importanat topic and many things in astrology are actually right. Imyself have been very involved in this. But like Orya said the allmighty and powerful is Allah. Who is the creater and interpereter of all humanbeings taqdeer.
    America is loosing their power, and Russia and China are slowly emerging as superpowers and subsituting Amerika. That is good, but the muslim countries have do develope themselves and be united, because in future there are huge challenges emerging. Muslim countries have emmence resources like coal in Pakistan and other mineral recourses in Afghanistan.
    Some astrologers and sufi saints hav even predicted that PAKISTAN will be a superpower. And world UNA headquarter will be in Islamabad. And Una will do nothing without asking pakistan first in the future.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 19:45 #

  12. akhokar
    Member

    Khilafa; what khilafa? Is this another diversion, another split taking place in the field of our religion?

    Ironically; Religion carries unique inherent phenomena with it that rather than uniting the people, it keeps on dividing them further---- and so is this khilafa business doing. These opportunists they think that our turmoil ridden nation having lost its all hopes is so deluded now that they can easily be exploited in the name of religion and if they can coerced them and bring them on some platform; they may be able to grab the seat of power. Grabbing of seat of power remains their main aim.

    It is coming to a pass a century that Muslims Ottoman Empire fell. There can be thousand and one reasons why it fell but it only became Empire when some great Muslim scholars, the scientists, the elites, the mathematicians and the architect from Bagdad, Persia and the Turks with their exemplary stature were at its back. They were the men that none in the world could match them.

    The day dreamer of khilafa they only need to know that the present era belongs to the people who bear innovative minds, posses the knowledge and technology and have an access to the economic natural resources. The nations void of innovation, technology and economic resources may only become the fodder of wars and be at the mercy of powerful nations.... They may serve only as slaves, mercenaries as we are presently doing.

    This should be no surprise for us that more superior forces of china are descending down the Himalaya and moving fast to secure their bridge head along the Arabian Sea coast line where it has already got its foot hold made with the assistance of our country..

    After retreat of USA from this region; China is our new master.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Oct 2010 21:40 #

  13. Revivalist
    member

    Ak,

    You are ready to accept china as your new master but not khilafah, isn’t it ironic? Besides, your point about the reestablishment of the khilafah is very shallow and void, as we don’t only dream about khilafah we see it as an emerging world order, very soon Insha’Allah and we don’t see hurdles for innovations, technology and economic wellbeing in the khilafah state. Let me share with you the quotation of Mr. Adam Smith about the economic situation of the khilafah state at that time ""...the empire of the Caliphs seems to have been the first state under which the world enjoyed that degree of tranquility which the cultivation of the sciences requires. It was under the protection of those generous and magnificent princes, that the ancient philosophy and astronomy of the Greeks were restored and established in the East; that tranquility, which their mild, just and religious government diffused over their vast empire, revived the curiosity of mankind, to inquire into the connecting principles of nature."
    * Adam Smith, ‘History of Astronomy’, the Essays of Adam Smith (London, 1869), p. 353

    I think it’s enough to prove you wrong!

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 7:18 #

  14. Revivalist
    member

    MG,

    “But Muslims will have to wait a bit before we recover our strength” Dear to recover our strength we have to strive hard and this is what we have been doing and is the purpose of the book. Besides, we are not jumping rather our stuggle for khilafah has started for more then 50 years now, FYI.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 7:44 #

  15. haider3
    member

    Revivalist, thanks and agreed. Perhaps we should count another fifty years from today for the efforts to come to fruition. How many years do you think it will take Pakistan alone to stand on its own two feet again? Thereafter, anything is possible. What did the Indian astrologers predict in Salam's piece above? 2011: cracks in the econ fabric of India. 2013-14 combined China-Pak attack on India. If there's anything to it at all, we might not be self-sustaining and strong enough for quite sometime to come.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 8:59 #

  16. Revivalist
    member

    MG,

    I can’t predict the exact time but we think we are in the final stage which is Talabun Nusrah. We believe Ummah is ready to accept this change and we have done enough homework for this change as well. Therefore, all I can say is khilafah is in the horizon, Insha’Allah. Having said that, it is our duty as Muslims to work for the re-establishment of Allah's Deen irrespective weather it will come into existence in a week, month of years.

    Moreover, as I said for me the hadith of Muhammad (saw) is enough basharat which says "khilafah will re-establish on the method of prophethood" (Masnad Ahmed)

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 9:24 #

  17. haider3
    member

    OK, Revivalist, Inshalla you will have the right of it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 10:43 #

  18. Revivalist
    member

    InshaAllah...

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 10:48 #

  19. Sikandar Riza
    Member

    We are in a final stage and the time of the khalifah as predicted by the prophet muhammed will come soon. But we dont know exsact where he will come from and etc. But he will lead the muslims in a difficult timewhen muslims will be killed by mushriqs and yahods.
    The khalifah will not come with another religion he will be a muslim and under his leadership muslims will have many victories.
    He wont be a prophet, muhammed (pbuh) was seal of the prophets so no more prphets after him.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 12:01 #

  20. akhokar
    Member

    Revivalist and Friends,
    After the fall of Ottoman Empire; Mullah while exercising his full authority over poverty ridden masses and declaring himself the rightful custodian and expert care taker of religion; has been making his utmost efforts in his own way toward the so called renaissance of lost glory of Islam.

    Muslims in many countries have seen many twist and turns at the hands of vision less Mullah....but rather than achieving any positive results for its revival; Mullah has pushed it on the dirt roads of extremism. After passing of near hundred years; Islam at the hands of antagonist Mullah is simply left to rot and extinct.

    This is a time that Mullah is asked to accept his failures and to step aside. Let Islam be left to the more learned elites and scholars; hopefully they may find some better solution and suggest good remedial measures.

    There is no use reciting the same old rhetoric; ‘Pidrum Sultaan bood’ and coercing people by ramming few evasive slogans, down their throats to accept Mullahs terms by spelling of fear and terror.

    Islam promotes peace, sanity, spread of knowledge wisdom and better understanding of life on this planet and not extremism.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 12:11 #

  21. toamin
    member

    thanks MG, I am sure you are also aware of mehtar band's history-

    @aay khokar

    i think that mulla isn't the root cause of problem, i don't know why qadiyanni people bring all the focus on mullah and present them as the root cause?

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 12:35 #

  22. akhokar
    Member

    Salam,
    Ahmadies you prefer to call them Qadiyanis; they stay above all this din but that doesn’t mean that problem in the world of Islam and especially in Pakistan by their staying away will also go away just like that.

    You may be carrying a different opinion but I do believe that Mullah is the root cause that it tends to keep his followers aloof and uneducated that is why --today; whole nation is suffering and has turned to extremism..

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 12:45 #

  23. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Khokar Quote " Islam promotes peace, sanity, spread of knowledge wisdom and better understanding of life on this planet and not extremism."

    Please try something new. The extremism mantra created by Zionist thugs is too rusted to make any sense.

    1) Prophet SAS, the last Messenger to all mankind fought the pagan extremism in 29 major battles before restoring peace and tranquility. He SAS and his companions RA understood very well that the peace and pagan extremism cannot exist side by side. One has to be eliminated before the other can flourish.

    2) The Sahaba RA and early generations of Muslims went as far as Spain, China and Indonesia to spread the message of peace and tranquility. In some cases the sword was the only choice to crush the pagan extremism. Spain is the case in point and in some cases force was not needed as the case is for Indonesia where not a single Muslim soldier ever landed in that archipelago of 5000 islands and is now largest Muslim country in the world.

    3) Throughout history Revivalists like Salahuddin Ayoubi appeared and needed to repel the pagan crusaders who had dreamt of capturing Jerusalem. He fought the combined European crusader thugs to restore peace and tranquility. Incidentally, the Catholic church and Pope apologized for the crimes of crusaders several years back. Although the apology came 900 years late, nevertheless it exposed the real extremists.

    4) The likes of Salauddin are dire need of Ummah today to repel the neo-crusaders. And that is the only way to establish peace and tranquility. You cannot have peace until the neo-crusader extremism is crushed.

    So please stop this Islam is peaceful religion mantra. Get it Khokar?

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 12:56 #

  24. Revivalist
    member

    AK,

    Please don’t hide behind the term Mullah, if you have any problem with Islam speak it up so that we try to clarify it. Besides, to me there is no difference between ANP, PPP, JI, JUI etc, as all of them are calling for democracy and 1973 constitution, so you have to differentiate between those who are calling for Demon-crazy and those who are calling for khilafah.

    Posted 1 year ago on 01 Nov 2010 13:14 #

  25. haider3
    member

    Hello Salam, No, sorry to say, I knew nothing about the Mehtar Band history. Now, thanks to you, I'm better informed. Splendid group! Exactly the right one to usher in the Khilafah dear to our hearts.

    AR, The way we got Indonesia, that would be the right way to go. That's what I keep hoping the Muslims settled in the West will manage to do. But to see them at work, one often gets the impression, they are the ones who've got converted.

    Revivalist, marvellous word coined there: Demon-crazy. That's spot on. That's exactly what it is. We'll see some demon-crazy efforts in US today.

    Posted 1 year ago on 02 Nov 2010 8:29 #

  26. Revivalist
    member

    Shukran :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 02 Nov 2010 12:27 #

  27. akhokar
    Member

    Dear AR and Friends,
    This is a common perception carried by all the activists attached to Muslims extremist camps that most of the leaders ruling them are corrupt and they are not ruling according to Shariah. This is considered as an act of apostasy on the part of rulers and accordingly Extremist are quick to hurl Fatwas at the rulers to wage jihad against them.

    Military, police and other security agencies acting as the organs of government rulers are also consider as legitimate targets. While waging the war (jihad) they all along claim that they are following the teaching of Islam and of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
    Fighting against pagan in earlier days to accept Islam may be right that in those days Islam was not yet established and the people preaching the word of God used to find as insecure and vulnerable. But presently the group pursuing their ideology by any standard are facing their personal; insecurity. So spread of fear and terror through killin and subversive acts is by any standards are heinous crime and cat of extremism; Islam does not allow any citizen to take law in their own hand or rebel against the rulers; may they be corrupt also.

    There is famous authentic narration of Hudhaifa bin al-Yaman who narrated, “The Prophet (saws) said, ‘There will be after me leaders who do not follow my guidance and do not follow my sunnah and there will be among them men whose hearts are like those of Satan in the body of a human being.’ And I asked the Prophet (saws), ‘What I should do at that time if I reach it?’ He said, ‘listen and obey the ruler, even if he lashed your back and took your money, listen and obey.’
    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 02 Nov 2010 23:15 #

  28. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    There are 8 Ahadiths attributed to Hudhaifah and none matches the description that Khokar quoted.

    http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=Hudhaifa+bin+alYaman&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

    On the contrary theree are Hadiths that require the Muslims to disobey the ruler if he exceed the limits prescribed by Quran and Sunnah.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 1:08 #

  29. saqib55
    Member

    This fake khilafa propagated by the usual suspects is indeed the new form of colonialism being fed to muslims in the form of an Islamic government as previous attempt at enslavement is being fought against.

    In the case of Pakistan, this new version will elevate the existing feudals into the position of khalifah and shura, where instead of the previous Abbasid and Ummayid reigns, we will now have the bhutto and Sahrif reigns dressed up as Islam.

    This is the power grab that has the mullahs, politicians and generals salivating with eagerness. This is why ISI is using all it's resources and it's CIA money to fund, equip and lead the taliban. It also conveniently accomplished US goals to remain in the region.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 2:45 #

  30. Revivalist
    member

    saqib,

    Dear, your assessment is baseless and wrong. You please do some research about those who are calling for caliphate in Pakistan and across the Muslim world and then give your opinion, if you want to make any sense here to the readers...

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 7:41 #

  31. akhokar
    Member

    Dear AR and Friends,
    Ooops,
    Sorrrry; there were some serious mistakes in aforesaid post. Please read as follow. Thanks

    There is a common perception carried by all the activists attached to Muslim fundamentalist camps that most of the leaders ruling them are corrupt and they are not ruling according to Shariah. This is considered as an act of apostasy on the part of rulers and accordingly Extremist are quick to hurl Fatwas at the rulers to wage jihad against them.

    Military, police and other security agencies acting as the organs of government rulers are also considered as legitimate targets. While waging the war (jihad) all along it is claimed that they are following the teaching of Islam and of Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw).

    Fighting against pagan in earlier days to accept Islam may be right that in those days Islam was not yet established and the people preaching the word of God used to find insecure and vulnerable. But presently the group pursuing their ideology or myths by any standard are not facing any kind of personal insecurity. So spread of fear and terror through killing and subversive acts by them is heinous crime and act of extremism. Islam does not allow any of its citizen to take law in their own hands or rebel against the rulers; may they be corrupt also.

    There is famous authentic narration of Hudhaifa bin al-Yaman who narrated, “The Prophet (saws) said, ‘There will be after me leaders who do not follow my guidance and do not follow my Sunnah and there will be among them men whose hearts are like those of Satan in the body of a human being.’ And I asked the Prophet (saws), ‘What I should do at that time if I reach it?’ He said, ‘listen and obey the ruler, even if he lashed your back and took your money, listen and obey.’

    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 8:37 #

  32. akhokar
    Member

    Abdul Rehman,

    The two most reliable collectors of hadith, Bukhari and Muslim also share a quote from the revered companion of the Prophet, Abdullah ibn al-Abbas which states, “if someone dislikes his ruler, he must be patient, because if he comes against the ruler in a rebellious or destructive manner by only a hand span and dies, he dies in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance (jahiliyyah) and sin.”

    So all you wannabe martyrs- Think again before they blow themselves up!

    In addition to the sources mentioned above we may find quotes of many imminent Islamic scholars throughout history stressing on the importance of obeying your leaders irrespective of their “piety” and degree of religiousness. Al-Bahjouri says “It is an obligation to obey the leader, even if he is not fair or trustworthy or even if he committed sins or mistakes.” Similarly Imam Abu Hanifa says that the head of the state, the Imam, cannot be expelled for being a corrupt person.

    One needs not be a rocket scientist (read: Mullah) to correctly interpret the above mentioned sources. Islam clearly advocates the people to obey their leaders and live peacefully while prohibiting taking up arms against the government. Rebellion against the ruler is considered to be a great iniquity in Islam. But before we start criticizing Islam for being too passive and granting absolute immunity to rulers and allowing them to suppress and loot the masses; let’s see what Islam advocates as the right approach to adopt when it comes to correcting a corrupt government. A hadith states “The most excellent Jihad is when one speaks a word of truth in the presence of a tyrannical ruler.” Note that the hadith does not advocate the use of violence against the ruler but rather praises the one who attempts to correct a ruler by speech.

    (Source: daily dawn)

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 9:53 #

  33. toamin
    member

    aay khokar

    glad to see that you picked up hadith that order people to obey the leaders, this is indeed 'ahmadi' specialty, they mastered this field and used to convince muslims of sub-continent to obey the british raj, all these evidences used to tell muslims to obey the british raj.

    there are also numerous ahadith that define the limit of obedience, there is no obedience of ruler that leads to disobedience of Allah swt

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 10:02 #

  34. akhokar
    Member

    salam,

    So Hadiths mentioned above are not of your liking;

    Oh I see... that how the people over the time have been discarding the Hadith when they found that it was challenging their perceptions evolved, myths or vested interests.

    Anyhow; as you know pretty well that Promised Messiah (as) came as the reformer of Ummah; so this is his era and his and only his; ‘New world Order’ will be implemented.

    Resist we may but come to terms; (all of us)--- we have to.

    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 12:23 #

  35. toamin
    member

    aay khokar

    no, i have not said that ahadith you shared are not of my liking

    i just shared ahmadi practice in perspective of history, how they used ahadith as evidence to establish that british raj are legitimate rulers and all must obey them!

    no problem if you want to establish Qur'an & Hadith as benchmark for action, then why only find ahadith that order to obey the amir? what about ahadith that tell us when to reject rulers?

    why do we become selective and pick that supports our cause while reject that don't fit into our proposal?

    with ahmadi the issue is fundamental, they have their own messenger, the so called messaiah, the british nurtured poodle mr. ghulam qadiyanee (sorry for harsh words, but that is least i could use for a traitor)

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 12:40 #

  36. Revivalist
    member

    AAK,

    SO according to your understanding people of pakistan should obey Mr.10 % because he is the "ruler"???

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 13:53 #

  37. dildar
    Member

    AAK

    If whatyou say is correct then we have to admit that Yazid was a just ruler and Imam Hussain died in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance (jahiliyyah) and sin (Nauzubillah).

    Is that what you mean?

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 14:21 #

  38. akhokar
    Member

    Rivivalist, salam and friends.

    This is absurd to note that just about two years ago Mr. Zardari that we love to call him Mr.10% was elected unanimously and today just few months down the road, we seem to be so much fed up with him and his government that they are being hauled up from every nook and corner. Media as well as Courts are trying their hard to see them out of the offices.

    This is most disgusting show of conduct of ours. Didn't we knew them all....? Certainly we did but even then we elected them and presented them with the offices and chairs to go rule us.

    Sadly; we Pakistanis carry a special psyche of our own.... that we love to scold and throw all the blames to others. Come what may; do not like to accept any responsibility.

    If you are lion; better roar like a Lion.... and now bear the consequences.

    I can only say: Khud karda ra Ilagay naist.

    And forget about applying Hadiths on others--- better find some hadith which can be applied on the irresponsible lot.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 14:33 #

  39. dildar
    Member

    AAK

    "This is absurd to note that just about two years ago Mr. Zardari that we love to call him Mr.10% was elected unanimously and today just few months down the road, we seem to be so much fed up with him and his government that they are being hauled up from every nook and corner. Media as well as Courts are trying their hard to see them out of the offices."

    No this is not!

    We did elect them and since we found the inept we now need to throw them of, simple enough.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 14:51 #

  40. akhokar
    Member

    Dildar,

    Please go ahead----if you can.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Nov 2010 21:06 #

  41. Revivalist
    member

    AAK,

    You are shying away from answering a simple question and jumping here and there because you know you can’t answer these questions. For instance, I never voted for any of the candidate and believe democracy as hypocrisy. Now forget about the whole nation and reply to I have asked?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Nov 2010 5:05 #

  42. akhokar
    Member

    Revivalist.

    As you say that you did not vote against these stooges--- when they were being elected to be sent to Islamabad to rule us; like many of us---- people kept mum then----- So better try to be mum now and wait for the next train.

    Abu udas phertay ho sardion ki shamoun main
    Aisa tou Hota hey aisay kamoun main.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Nov 2010 11:15 #

  43. Revivalist
    member

    AK,

    You again misunderstood my point. I said I don’t vote because I as Abdullah (slave of Allah) can’t delegate power to legislate to a person or a group of people, knowing that this is Allah's authority only. Besides, I am not udas and waiting like stupid for them to complete their term rather I am striving to put them in the dustbin of history along with their corrupt system ‘DEMON-CRAZY’.

    FYI, we are holding rallied in all major cities today to let the people aware of the real change. I hope you got my point this time 

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Nov 2010 6:04 #

  44. akhokar
    Member

    Dear Revivalist and friends,

    Islam is for the entire world....but some how all the Islamist adventurists, on some pretext or the other, want to try their adventure on poor Pakistanis. I think Pakistanis must be spared now... already they are experiencing lot of turmoil and disturbance. This 'Islamiaat' has made common man's life in pakistan ---a real misery. Have some mercy on Pakistanis and please give Pakistanis some respite and go select some different lands....World of Islam is not just Pakistan.

    The better place to start with would be Saudi Arabia..... If somebody thinks of giving a new life to Islam; Saudi Arabia is poised as a good vantage point. I think all Islamist adventurists if they want to do something; they should try to infiltrate there and start with their campaigns...!

    Don’t you agree? Having the grand mosque in control....from where possibly a good exercise of command and control of the world can be achieved. The adventurists will also have the worldwide fame as well as backing from so many other Muslims of the world. There are chances to expect better and swift results of imposing of Sharia laws, all around in the world from Saudi Arabia. Lot of oil is available; so there is no dearth of money for funding of the campaigns and at the same time having control at world prime economic resource--- the ‘Oil’---you may be in position to dictate your terms to the west..

    If you want to do something big...! Better do it in BIG WAY. I think it is absurd that everybody is having a go on poor Pakistanis. Earlier Osama Bin Laden rather than putting his own ‘House of Saud’ in order that supposedly he was weary of---- rather than confronting his rivals....at home and do the needful; he preferred using Pakistani soils. Osama Bin laden so called master of all the subversive movements----is hiding there as fugitive... for last ten years and consequently had made poor lot in FATA ....and Pakistanis to suffer such a colossal loss.

    But who would bell the fat cats....of Saudia?

    Probably those beautiful are not yet born.

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Nov 2010 21:02 #

  45. Revivalist
    member

    AK,

    I would say you ‘ Secular-democrats’ please leave us alone, ask your masters to first implement democracy at home solve their disastrous social, economic and political issue then think about importing it to the Muslim world. Why are you trying to impose the failed system on the people of Pakistan which is not only futile but also in complete contradiction with the believes of people.

    AS for where should we start, I appreciate your concern, however, let me tell you that we are actively working in more then 40 countries of the world, so you need not to worry about that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Nov 2010 5:26 #

  46. akhokar
    Member

    The prevalent anarchy in Pakistan induced by CIA supported TTP has created such a situ that owing to the perilous state of suffering of peoples----in the expected drop scene of withdrawal of US from this region that TTP supposedly will stand tooth less; every second underground organisation like Khilafa in Pakistan is feeling a ripe situation to come forward and grab a chunk of their share.

    War lords, Drug lords, the separatist of Baluchistan, the Sindhis seeking their ascension, the ANP seeking the annexation with Afghanistan and the religious groups exploiting the religious sentiment to be in chair; everybody is at work to grab the situation; means what?

    That there is another phase of anarchy and all the so called stake holders becoming rivals of each other’s and their hands on the throats of opponents......... It will bring in a total chaos, means a mass killing and at a very large scale.

    Pakistan needs peace and not any exploitation or islamisation or Talibistaion.

    What a plight of this nation. This is all so unfortunate;

    Meray wattan peh utray hoay Andheroun ko
    Jo tum kaho; Mejhay Qehr Khuda sa lagta Hey

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Nov 2010 11:02 #

  47. Revivalist
    member

    AK,

    "in the expected drop scene of withdrawal of US from this region.." You assessment of the situation is flowed and so is your analysis. The secular democrats are responsible for the mess that has been created in Pakistan. Your system has proved disastrous not only for Pakistan but for the entire world. Now you are trying to bring in TTP etc to hide your cruelty and to hide your failure but it won’t help you.

    Khilafah is inevitable as this is the promise of Allah (swt) and his messenger, besides, there is an ideological vacuum in the world that could only be filed with Islam, and I am sure you know this but you like other seculars are hiding this.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 4:55 #

  48. saqib55
    Member

    Revivalist, I have already exposed this fake khilafah agenda. Any more would be too much for you to handle.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 8:13 #

  49. spruce
    Member

    USA expert saying """

    The challenge to humanity is to adopt new ways of thinking, new ways of acting, new ways of organizing itself in society, in short, new ways of living.

    "There is always a danger that increased personal independence will decrease the social capacity of an individual.... It often makes an individual so insensitive in his relations to others as to develop an illusion of being really able to stand and act alone -- an unnamed form of insanity which is responsible for a large part of the remedial suffering of the world."

    "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas."

    "For many generations we have bowed our necks to the yoke of the conviction of sin. We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents....

    "There is something to be said... for gently putting aside the mistaken old ways of our elders if that is possible. If it cannot be done gently, it may have to be done roughly or even violently..

    final solution is islam and khilafah.. all the evedence and proofs are available for human settelments and how to pass life in this worldly life....for muslim no problem but for those like american let them go though researches ,but they could not provide world order which is in the hand of Allah who is lord of universe.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 9:01 #

  50. Revivalist
    member

    Saqib55,

    "I have already exposed this fake khilafah agenda. Any more would be too much for you to handle". Are you alright:) what are you talking about????

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Nov 2010 9:21 #

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