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Empire of bases 2.0

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  1. Just_one
    Member

    Well, if Pakistan had the power like the US does, I am sure it will have many bases around the world and many here would be justifying their presence.

    Just like when Muslim world was a superpower, they tried to occupy, plunder and influence other kingdoms and regions.

    It is very important to see this issue from the point of view of neutrality.

    We'd better concentrate on our own internal problems and solve them.

    There is no grand battle between Islam vs non-Muslims going on as made out to be by some. There is only a battle of interests between states.

    We need to get our heads clear and come out of this ideological mumbo jumbo. States are not made on the basis of religion. Nationality must not be defined on the basis of religion, if you don't want to exclude the Pakistani Christians and other faiths from it.

    We have nothing to learn ideologically from the more-loyal-than-king-himself Muslims living in the comfort of west and devising all sorts of ideological, end of times, battle scenarios. They have the luxury to, but the poor people living in Muslim world can't afford that luxury.

    The solution should be home grown. Fake patriotism should be replaced with strong sentiment against corruption, affiliation with the plight of poor, justice for all and tolerance - this will lead to healthy patriotism, born out of real progress, not out of ashes of defeat and reaction-ism.

    Posted 11 months ago on 28 Jun 2011 8:57 #
  2. gv
    Member

    @AR

    As I said the army was almost all Hejazi Arabs

    but please lets be realistic 3 out of 313 people does not exactly make for a diverse group

    p.s. Suhayb Rumi was of Arab descent

    see: http://www.islamiska.org/e/suhayb.htm

    Posted 11 months ago on 28 Jun 2011 9:10 #
  3. gv
    Member

    @just_one

    Thank you for the lucidity.

    Posted 11 months ago on 28 Jun 2011 9:12 #
  4. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    gv,

    3 out of 313 in that era and context was unimaginable. That foundation led to this excerpt from Carly Fiorina. That diversity of Prophet SAS is now the focus of corporate America to SUCCEED.

    Posted 11 months ago on 28 Jun 2011 15:12 #
  5. gv
    Member

    @AR

    I shan't beleaguer the point any longer but with all due respect you are no longer making any sense with respect to diversity and the muslim force at Badr.

    Posted 11 months ago on 28 Jun 2011 15:27 #
  6. Not Possible
    Blocked

    So no one finds anything wrong with these words of NNL???

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    It was not that the people united behind Prophet cos he had asked them too or they were too deeply impressed by his character

    No it wasnt cos his personality alone that caused them to stay united.

    If Muhammad ibn Abdullah hadnt received Revelation then would you be even discussing about him ?
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    Posted 10 months ago on 30 Jun 2011 12:50 #
  7. gv
    Member

    @NP

    I think the point NNL was trying to make is that only reason for the Prophet's success was not due to his personality alone but also due to the divine message he carried with him. (perhaps he means largely due to the divine message)

    Either way I do not see any objection with that point.

    Posted 10 months ago on 30 Jun 2011 13:31 #
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    GV

    The Divine Message is converyed through a divine messanger. the messanger is no ordinary postman, he is divinely selected and rasool Allah (SAW) was the highest of divine selction, he is Habib Allah, dearest to Allah.

    I mean please please read the Quran do you need me to tell you how Allah has exalted Rasool Allah (SAW)

    Posted 10 months ago on 01 Jul 2011 2:37 #
  9. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    "And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them, We shall give them their rewards, and Allah is Ever Oft­-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (The Noble Qur'an 4:152)

    All Prophets RA were exalted by Allah SBT.

    "Say, 'We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters.' " (Quran 2:136)

    When someone exaggerates superiority of one Prophet over other, then it is entering into forbidden territory.

    Posted 10 months ago on 01 Jul 2011 3:18 #
  10. Not Possible
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    AR

    be very sure what you are trying to imply, I have already exposed you once of twhiney Risalat, you nake tall claims about your beliefs, your creeds faith and Islam but have no qualms in degrading and doing tauhinay Risalat

    and every one know what the punishment for tuahinay Risalat is.

    Isnt it very clear that only the Zionist and their fitna agents the salafi will seek to degrade muslims and our Prophet(SAW).

    I could fill a thread with Ayats exalting Rasool Allah (SAW) and it wouldnt be enough, I have time and time again exposed your abject and pointless use of Ayats to convery a wrong meaning on so many points. even these Ayats.

    But now I want to expose you for good what do you wish to imply by these Ayats? make it clear.

    Posted 10 months ago on 01 Jul 2011 3:26 #
  11. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    NP says degrade muslims and our Prophet(SAW).

    Another lie by NP.

    When someone says "our" Prophet(SAW) that means he is the one who is degrading Prophet SAS.

    He is not solely "our" Prophet but he SAS is called Rahmat Al Alameen. For all mankind and all worlds not just dadus.

    Posted 10 months ago on 01 Jul 2011 4:02 #
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    AR

    now your just mumbling nonsense, you words are not even coherent

    whats the matter cat got your tongue?

    dont play tricks snd dont try to retreat

    what did you mean to imply by your above post make it clear.

    Posted 10 months ago on 01 Jul 2011 4:12 #

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