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Environment Polluting Thar Coal Project Versus Environment Friendly Kalabagh Da

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  1. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    It is very strange to note that present Government is advocating for
    Air Polluting Thar Coal Project Versus Enviromental Friendly Kalabagh Dam.

     Kalabagh dam which will increase the water resources of the country is being opposed while Thar coal project,which will consume huge amount of water and will contaminate all water,air and land resources of Pakistan is being adovecated by the governement Clean electricity produced by Kalabagh dam will be available to every one citizen of the country while thar coal project will pollute all water,air and land resources of Pakistan for every one.Thar coal will effect each and every living organism while Kalabagh will not only store water for the time of need but with the generation of electricity will increase the resources of water by sucking up the underground water resources and will provide the clean electricity .
    Coal is one of the most polluting sources of energy available, jeopardizing our health and our environment. While Kalabagh Dams will have multiple advantages and will act as electricity power house,water reserevoir and floods preventor generate electricity,Store water,will improve fertility of lands.
    The Effects of Coal on the Environment
    Coal as a source of energy is probably the most environmentally damaging of all the traditional sources of energy.
    • Coal Power in a Warming World by Barbara Freese et al, published by the Union of Concerned Scientists in October 2008 states that “The underground mining of coal is a dangerous profession, and underground and surface mining are both highly damaging to landscapes, water supplies, and ecosystems”.
    • The Natural Resources Defense Council paper entitled “Coal in a Changing Climate”, issued in February 2007 claims that “Coal mining—and particularly surface or strip mining—poses one of the most significant threats to terrestrial habitats in the United States.”
    • Figures from "Key World Energy Statistics: 2008" show that coal is responsible for 42% of the world’s carbon dioxide emissions.
    • “Coal in a Changing Climate” shows that coal produces large amounts of airborne toxic chemicals, including sulfur dioxide, mercury, nitrous oxides, arsenic and lead.

    Coal is a highly polluting energy source. It emits much more carbon per unit of energy than oil, and natural gas. CO2 represents the major portion of greenhouse gases. It is, therefore, one of the leading contributors to climate change. From mine to sky, from extraction to combustion -- coal pollutes every step of the way. The huge environmental and social costs associated with coal usage make it an expensive option for developing countries. From acid drainage from coal mines, polluting rivers and streams, to the release of mercury and other toxins when it is burned, as well as climate-destroying gases and fine particulates that wreak havoc on human health, COAL is unquestionably, a DIRTY BUSINESS.
    It is a major contributor to climate change – the biggest environmental threat we face. It is the most carbon-intensive fossil fuel, emitting 29% more than oil, 80% more carbon dioxide (the main driver of climate change) per unit of energy than gas.

     Whereas Thar coal will pollute land ,air and water resources with the burning of each gram of coal and thar coal will have Interference with groundwater and water table levels

    Already Polluted Atmosphere of South Asia.
    South Asia is already suffering from the adverse effects of Brown cloud(Accumulation of Dirty gases in upper atmosphere of Subcontinent and is having negative effects on the heath of population of India and Pakistan ,Moreover there is already shortage of Ozone gas in the upper atmosphere of South Asia,due to which people of South Asia (India, Pakistan,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka ) are not having perfect healthy bodies as compared other reaces of the world.In view of such a bad condition of atmosphere burning the coak is just like to throw the people Pakistan into valley of death
    There are a number of adverse environmental effects of coal mining and burning, specially
    The glaciers of the Himalayas, Karakoram, Hindukush and Pamir ranges in Gilgit-Baltistan contribute significantly to the stream flow of the IBRS. More significantly, during the dry season these glaciers become the system’s only source. Impacts due to climate change on these glaciers have been studied in recent decades and vivid fluctuation of water flow in the Indus River Basin System has been reported.

    This situation proves a truly worrisome phenomenon as expert scientists and policymakers alike work towards agricultural sustainability and food abundance in the coming years. Moreover, the increasingly harsh climate is damaging and will continue to damage the aesthetic features of the gorgeous mountain landscape future.

    Therefore, the country must make its primary concerns achieving sustainable water usage in order to allow for sustainable agricultural production.
    in power stations.
    These effects include:

     Release of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, which causes climate change and global warming according to the IPCC. Coal is the largest contributor to the human-made increase of CO2 in the air.[32]
     Dust nuisance
     Acid rain from high sulfur coal
     Generation of hundred of millions of tons of waste products, including fly ash, bottom ash, flue gas desulfurization sludge, that contain mercury,uranium, thorium, arsenic, and other heavy metals
     Coal-fired power plant releases emissions including mercury, selenium, and arsenic which are harmful to human health and the environment.[34]
     Coal-fired power plants without effective fly ash capture are one of the largest sources of human-caused background radiation exposure

    Dirty Coal-Fired Power Plants and Air Pollution
    Power plants are a major source of air pollution, with coal-fired power plants spewing 59% of total U.S. sulfur dioxide pollution and 18% of total nitrogen oxides every year.4 Coal-fired power plants are also the largest polluter of toxic mercury pollution5, largest contributor of hazardous air toxics6, and release about 50% of particle pollution.7 Additionally, power plants release over 40% of total U.S. carbon dioxide emissions, a prime contributor to global warming.8
    Smog and Ozone
    Power plants are second only to automobiles as the greatest source of NOx emissions.9 When nitrogen oxide (NOx) reacts with volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and sunlight, smog (ground level ozone) forms. Of the six major criteria air pollutants regulated by the EPA, NOx emissions have historically been the hardest to control. One of the contributing factors is that NOx emissions from huge dirty coal plants in one region can easily pollute areas hundreds of miles downwind.
    When inhaled, smog can cause a wide range of health problems, including immediate symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pains, wheezing, and increased susceptibility to respiratory problems.11 Smog can also cause many more serious problems like increased risk of asthma attacks and lung inflammation. Recently, scientists concluded that exposure to smog can be deadly. Smog affects everyone, but is especially dangerous for children, the elderly, and those with respiratory problems.
    Even our national parks have not escaped the smog and ozone pollution caused by coal-fired power plants. Many parks already experience unhealthy air days, and the problem is getting worse.12 Smog concentrations have increased at 22 of 31 National Park Service monitoring sites since 1990. This persistent ozone pollution can harm plants and vegetation by damaging leaves and disrupting growth.13 Along with other pollutants, nitrous oxides can also chemically alter soil and water, leading to acidification and other serious problems that harm plants and animals.
    Particle Pollution and Soot
    Coal-fired power plants are also the largest single source of sulfur dioxide (SO2), releasing about 2/3 of the total SO2 pollution each year.14 Sulfur dioxide, which can travel long distances in the atmosphere before falling down to the land, can cause problems on its own as well as when it combines with other pollution to form other dangerous compounds.15 In addition to acid rain (see below), SO2 can combine with nitrogen oxide (NOx) and other particles to form particulate matter, which is sometimes called soot. Particulate matter, which can also be released directly from the smokestacks of coal-fired power plants, is often divided into categories based on the size of the particles-coarse, fine, and ultrafine-but all three are hazardous to your health and the environment.16
    Particle pollution is one of the most dangerous air pollutants, and over 64 million Americans are estimated to breathe air that has so much particle pollution that it puts their health at risk.17 Particle pollution can trigger heart attacks and strokes, lead to cardiac arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat), cause respiratory irritation, and worsen asthma. Both short-term and long-term exposure can cause premature death. In fact, particle pollution from power plants in the U.S. leads to over 30,000 deaths each year-a shocking figure when compared to the 17,000 homicides committed each year.18 Cutting power plant emissions by 75% could avoid more than 18,000 of the deaths caused by particle pollution.
    In addition to its health impacts, particle pollution is also the number one cause for haze, or reduced visibility, in the U.S., including in our National Parks.19 Regional haze from airborne pollutants has reduced annual average visibility in the U.S. from natural conditions to about one-half in the west and to one-third in the east.20
    Air Pollution and Public Health

    China's reliance on its abundant but dirty coal has produced a number of
    negative consequences; one of the biggest is air pollution. According to World
    Bank figures, 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are in China, while
    around 400,000 people die prematurely each year of respiratory problems related
    to air pollution.
    Acid Rain
    Acid rain, or acid deposition, occurs when sulfur dioxide (SO2) and nitrogen oxide (NOx) react with water and oxygen in the atmosphere to form acidic compounds, most commonly sulfuric and nitric acid.21 These acidic compounds then either mix with natural precipitation and fall to the earth as acid rain, or remain dry and then settle to the ground. In the U.S., coal-fired power plants are the single largest source of SO2 pollution (66%)22 and the second largest source of NOx pollution.23
    Acid rain destroys ecosystems, including streams and lakes, by changing their delicate pH balance making them unable to support life. Acid rain can destroy forests, devastate plant and animal life, and eat away at man-made monuments and buildings to effectively destroy our natural and historical treasures.24 Already, numerous lakes and streams in the Adirondack Mountains in upstate New York are too acidic to support fish life, and long-term acidification continues to threaten the Chesapeake Bay.25
    Air Toxics and Mercury
    Coal-fired power plants are the largest single man-made source of mercury pollution in the U.S.26, and are the largest contributor of hazardous air pollutants.27 In smokestack tests, coal-fired power plants were found to release 67 air toxics, many of which are known or suspected carcinogens and neurotoxins that can cause development problems, respiratory problems, and aggravate asthma.28
    Of these air toxics, one of the most dangerous is mercury. Mercury from coal-fired power plants is released into the air through the exhaust system when coal is burned. The primary exposure for Americans occurs when this mercury falls to the earth and runs into our lakes, rivers, and streams and contaminates the fish.29 Humans can be contaminated when they eat these fish and shellfish. In 2004, 47 states and territories had fish consumption advisories for mercury for at least some of their waters.30
    Mercury is a developmental toxin, primarily affecting fetal development.31 In unborn children, it can cause brain damage, mental retardation, blindness, and many other problems. Infants are also exposed to these dangers through contaminated breast milk. While the dangers of mercury are most often associated with women and children, eating fish high in mercury has also been found to put middle-aged men at a greater risk for coronary heart disease.32

    By using Thar coal and other coal resources will deteriorate the air quality more and more.While Kalabagh dam due to storage of Water and suction of underground water by means of electricity generated by Kalabagh Dam.will increase the green area of the country, and green vegetation will ultimately decrease the CO2 and will release O2 which will have positive effects on the quality of air in the country where as Thar coal due its toxic wastage will cause irepairable damage to all water,air and land resources of Pakistan.
     Contamination of land and waterways and destruction of homes from fly ash spills such as Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill
     Impact of water use on flows of rivers and consequential impact on other land-uses
     Subsidence above tunnels, sometimes damaging infrastructure.
    Kunio Senga, director-general of the ADB’s South Asia department, said the projected food shortages would result in “five million additional malnourished children in South Asia.” “South Asia’s vulnerability to climate change has extremely serious implications for agriculture,” he told journalists in Kathmandu, adding that “the poor stand to suffer most as a result of unchecked climate change.”

    Almost half of the world’s poorest people live in South Asia, where they tend to depend on agriculture and live in areas highly exposed to changes in the climate, the ADB said.

    It is also another myth that this project will alleviate the need for hydel electricity. The fact is that any electricity eventually produced from Thar coal would be at least twice as expensive as that generated from Kalabagh and other large dams and the envirmental effects will be totally disaterous
    Droughts - continental heartlands will dry out more in summer. In 1988 the US suffered its worst heat wave and drought for 50 years. It cannot be proved that this was due to the greenhouse effect but it does give us some idea of what to expect in the future.
    Floods - sea levels are already rising at a rate of 1 to 2mm each year due to expansion of the top layer of the oceans as they warm and the melting of the polar ice caps. The predicted rise by 2050 is between 20 and 50cm. This will cause increased flooding in coastal areas and river estuaries such as Bangladesh and the Nile Delta. London and many other British coastal cities will be threatened also. It is now a priority to strengthen Britain's sea defences.

    Challenges and Solutions
    The facts are in: coal-fired power plants and the pollution they release every day are a major threat to human health and our environment. We need to act now to clean up dirty coal power through pollution reductions that can protect our families now, not in two decades. We also need to reduce our dependence on dirty coal by retiring and replacing these plants with clean energy alternatives like wind, solar,hydrel and improvements in energy efficiency.

    The bottom line is that there are plenty of clean alternatives to coal power, and utilities are already starting to make the shift. With a climate crisis looming, clean energy is clearly where we should be investing our resources. Despite all their multi-million dollar ad campaigns to the contrary, the energy companies are beginning to understand that too.
    Pakistan has great potential for hydroelectric and coal-based power generation. Kalabagh and Bhasha dams can provide 3600MW and 4500MW of power respectively, when/if they are built. However, we need to look beyond these and build many more dams because by the time these dams are
    ready, the demand will rise further.
    Written By M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI.
    Email:akrumniazi@hotmail.com

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Dec 2009 15:15 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Building dams should be one of our top most national priorities.

    I posted another thread for discussing one more dam that was to be built in Kashmir. Govt. is not moving forward with it. It is available at;

    Thread: Bureaucracy stalls $800m hydel project

    I am all for natural ways of fulfilling our nation's energy needs.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Dec 2009 16:31 #
  3. Quite a thought provoking article in detail by Mr. Akram Khan Niazi. I appreciate your efforts for sharing this article with us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Dec 2009 16:39 #
  4. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    On one side China and India are planning the curbing of Carbon emmision by curbing the use of oil,coal and other fossil fuels,and Bangladesh and Maldives are crying for taking measures against rise of seas due to global warming and on other side we Pakistanies are planning to use Tahr coal which will not only whole environment of South Asia but infact endanger the life of peoples living in Kashmir,Northern areas,NWFP,PUNJAB and Sind as the direction of smoke and dangerous gases will be from east to north west of Pakistan.And people of these areas will suffer from respioratory diseases such as Asthma,Bronchitis and cancer, and people of these areas will suffer from dangers and adverse effects of somking without somking the cigarrets.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jan 2010 5:38 #
  5. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    On one side China and India are planning tO curb the Carbon emmision by curbing the use of oil,coal and other fossil fuels,and Bangladesh and Maldives are crying for taking measures against rise of seas due to global warming and on other side we Pakistanies are planning to use Thar coal which will not only pollute the whole environment of South Asia but will infact endanger the life of peoples living in Kashmir,Northern areas,NWFP,PUNJAB and Sind as the direction of smoke and dangerous gases will be from east to north west of Pakistan.And people of these areas will suffer from respioratory diseases such as Asthma,Bronchitis and cancer, and people of these areas will suffer from dangers and adverse effects of somking without somking the cigarrets.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jan 2010 5:40 #
  6. toamin
    member

    Niazi,

    What does your research say about Coal usage in China? What data/statistics you have from that case to justify the above warning?

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jan 2010 5:42 #
  7. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Air Pollution and Public Health

    China's reliance on its abundant but dirty coal has produced a number of
    negative consequences; one of the biggest is air pollution. According to World
    Bank figures, 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are in China, while
    around 400,000 people die prematurely each year of respiratory problems related
    to air pollution.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jan 2010 5:45 #
  8. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    On one side Bangladesh and Maldives are crying for taking measures against rise of seas due to global warming caused by use of fossils fuels including coal and on other side we Pakistanies by not building Kalabagh Dam and wasting our only river Indus water in Arabian sea just to raise the level of sea which is also dstroying our coastal lands.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jan 2010 11:38 #
  9. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Due to flow of toxic gases and smoke from Thar Coal towards North and Western Pakistan,It is the responsibility of Jammu and Kashmir,Northern Areas,NWFP,Punjab and Sind Governments to review the adverse effects of Thar coal as it is the matter of life and death of the people of these areas.As unhealthy environment due to smoke and toxic gases will destroy the beauty of Vallies of Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 6:27 #
  10. Tapping into and utilizing Thar coal reserves!
    Thar coal according to surveys and studies done by China and others during Musharraf era is known to be of low quality. This has been discussed extensively in a thread:

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/what-is-stopping-thar-coal-project#post-64495

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 6:57 #
  11. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Low quality my @$$!!

    In that same thread, another Pakistani, who has worked in Thar coal project dismissed the 'low quality' argument.

    Mirza sb. It is age old tactic of the rich i.e., keeping nature's gifts hidden from the masses, so these rich goons can use them for their own personal benefit.

    However, even if I disagreed with Niazi sb. on coal, Pakistan still has many many other options. For example Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and other adjoining states are rich! in oil and gas. If Pakistani people are so 'lazy' that they can't build dams, Pakistan can get cheap! oil and gas from there.

    Even Irani oil has been comming in to Pakistan for Rs. 8 according to some of my relatives in NWFP.

    Pakistan has too many options to believe in the BS! of our current and past rulers, about coal, about dams, about energy, about electricity.

    If Musharraf can make NAB hide or manipulate cases against criminals, especially those belonging to politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen, Army, Navy, Air Force, he can certainly manipulate the reports from Chinese on Thar Coal project.

    No Muslim nation that is located at Pakistan's west wants Pakistan to search for oil and gas in its own territory. They are willing to provide Pakistan cheap! oil and gas for this same reason, so we can establish bilateral trade.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 7:20 #
  12. My own opinion, I believe in Pakistan, a mafia exists that is in favor of fossil fuels monopoly. Not in favor of exploiting Thar coal or in developing other means of renewable energy resources.
    However members may or may not agree to this.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 7:28 #
  13. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    At a time when leaders from 192 countries are deliberating upon ways to cut back on carbon emissions and reduce greenhouse gases at Copenhagen, Denmark, Pakistan is heading towards an environment catastrophe after the government decided to use of Thar coal for production of Electricity.

    Environmentalists say that the air quality in major cities of Pakistan including Karachi is already the worst while a Suparco study in 2004 disclosed that air pollution load in five major cities of the , including Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar and Quetta, has already crossed the permissible level.

    Director, Institute of Environmental Studies, University of Karachi, Dr. Moazzam Ali Khan, said that
    “Use of coal for energy combined with curtailed CNG use as fuel in vehicles would have devastating affects on our environment at a time when we have no plantation and deforestation is going on at an alarming rate,” he maintained.

    Another expert, Syed Farhan Ali, was of the view that although several countries in the world were heading towards alternative sources of energy including solar and wind-power, nothing was being done in Pakistan to reduce dependence on hydrocarbon fuels.

    “If we adopt alternative energy sources like wind and solar energy or even the hybrid alternative energy producing systems, we can have cheap and environment-friendly energy,” he maintained, adding that efforts should be made for the plantation of trees and preventing deforestation.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 9:27 #
  14. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    “If we adopt alternative energy sources like water,wind and solar energy or even the hybrid alternative energy producing systems, we can have cheap and environment-friendly energy,” he maintained, adding that efforts should be made for the plantation of trees and preventing deforestation and which can only be achieved by Kalabagh and other Dams.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 9:30 #
  15. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Projects like the Mangla Dam Raising, Mirani Dam, Gomal Zam Dam, Subakzai Dam and Satpara Dam are simply not enough to meet the rising demands. New mega water like Kalabagh storage reservoirs needs to be built and steps must be taken to stop India from building dams on rivers that belong to Pakistan as per Indus-Water Treaty of 1960. It is not surprising that UN keep on warning that during next 25 years, major conflicts between countries like India and Pakistan could be on water resources. As very rightly put in an editorial of a local newspaper, “Either we put pettifogging and pernicious rivalries and narrow political advancements on hold and start building dams and their associated hydro-electric works, or Pakistan is within sight of beginning to starve to death”.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 10:14 #
  16. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    As very rightly put in an editorial of a local newspaper, “Either we put pettifogging and pernicious rivalries and narrow political advancements on hold and start building dams and their associated hydro-electric works, or Pakistan is within sight of beginning to starve to death”.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 10:16 #
  17. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Present Government is also urging cement industries all over the country to use thar coal. However, the coal, low quality lignite, is known to contain significant sulfur concentrations. Extensive use of this coal is, therefore, likely to substantially increase environmental degradation, particularly when used in cement plants situated near cities and towns.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Jan 2010 10:21 #
  18. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Excavation of coal is a very lethal process in which thosands of miners have lost their lives and death of miners is a daily business but inspite of that Government is trying to use Thar coal which indicates that lust for money is greater than the care of lives of its citizens,Following is the example of china where not only thousands of people die not only due to coal pollution but also during the process of mining
    China
    The worst coal mining disaster in the world took place on April 26, 1942 in Benxihu Colliery, located at Benxi, Liaoning. A coal-dust explosion killed 1,549 miners working that day.
    China currently accounts for the largest number of coal-mining fatalities, accounting for about 80% of the world’s total, although it produces only 35% of the world’s coal. Between January 2001 to October 2004, there were 188 accidents that had a death toll of more than 10, about one such accident every 7.4 days.In 2005 Sunjiawan mine disaster killed at least 210 miners.
    In 2006, according to the State Work Safety Supervision Administration, 4,749 Chinese coal miners were killed in thousands of blasts, floods, and other accidents. For example, a gas explosion at the Nanshan Colliery killed 24 people on November 13, 2006;
    The New York Times reported that China's lack of a free press, independent trade unions, citizen watchdog groups and other checks on official power has made cover-ups of mining accidents more possible, even in the Internet age. As a result, Chinese bureaucrats habitually hide scandals (such as mine disasters, chemical spills, the 2003 SARS epidemic, and tainted milk powder) for fear of being held accountable by the ruling Communist Party or exposing their own illicit ties to companies involved. Indeed, should a mining accident occur, the incentive to hide it is often stronger than the reward for handling it well, as a disaster on a bureaucrat’s watch is almost surely a blot on his career, while successfully concealing it means that it may never be uncovered.
    In November 2009, a mining accident in Heilongjiang killed at least 104. It is thought to have been caused by a methane explosion followed by a coal dust explosion.

    It is the responsibility of Government instead of throwing its people in the cycle of death due to use of coal they should search enviromentaly freindly projects like Kalabagh and other dams.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jan 2010 5:33 #
  19. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    AND DISASTER OF TODAY IS AS FOLLOWS:
    Xinhua reported that a fire killed 18 and trapped 9 miners inside a coal mine in central China.

    The accident took place at 2 PM in Lisheng coalmine in Tanjiashan town in Hunan province, Xinhua reported.

    As per report underground cables caught fire Tuesday. About 70 miners were working in the shaft at the time of the incident. 43 of them managed to escape.

    Rescuers retrieved nine bodies from a mining platform in the shaft about 160 meters underground Tuesday night, while a search was on at another mining platform Wednesday.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jan 2010 5:51 #
  20. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    There are large number of resources such as WIND,SOLAR,FOSSILS FUELS AND WATER,but main thing is that which one is beneficail.
    Solar Energy can be generated when sun light is available.

    Wind Energy can be generated when flow of air is naturally present and in right direction as flow of air near sea change during night therefor at night it is not feasible to generate electricity.

    Coal Fossils Fuels: These are most pollutant source of energy and causes pollution of land, air and water and destroy life.

    Therefore only by making dams like Kalabagh which are the most clean source of energy and not only generate energy but also increase agriculture productivity and envirnment improvement

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Jan 2010 8:30 #
  21. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Due to flow of toxic gases and smoke from Thar Coal towards North and Western Pakistan,It is the responsibility of Jammu and Kashmir,Northern Areas,NWFP,Punjab and Sind Governments to review the adverse effects of Thar coal as it is the matter of life and death of the people of these areas.As unhealthy environment due to smoke and toxic gases will destroy the beauty of Vallies of Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan and will cause health problems such as cancer,asthama,bronchitis and other respiratory and genetic diseases due to environmental pollution in the people of Punjab,NWFP,Kashmir,Gilgit and Batistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 4:35 #
  22. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Hard work Niazi Sb .
    But please tell me how was Lahore and Mianwali in 1947.
    Mianwali is still there.
    No body is ready to trust on Lahore.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 23:21 #
  23. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Water reservoirs (Dams) are constructed for storage of water, specially when there is forecast that there could be shortage of water, therefore it is must for survival of humanity to construct the dams specially if in future you suspect that there may be shortage of water.

    USA has constructed a dam on a river which has capacity of storing more than three years of flowing water in that river, which clearly indicates that we should construct water storage reservoirs whether there is water or not in the river. No one construct dams on seas or on oceans, dams are constructed where, there is shortage and need of water.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 9:15 #
  24. toamin
    member

    IMF/WB doesn't allow building of such vital infrastructure they will rather tell you to cut down on your population by letting them die of starvation!

    Our economic policy is solely designed on how to recover IMF/WB payment from Pakistani masses.

    We foresee drought & starvation due to India stealing our water plus lack of proper storage.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 9:20 #
  25. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Government of Punjab has chronically failed in protecting the rights of people of living in the basin of river Indus. Which is evident from the fact that it has not made any efforts for the construction of Kalabagh Dam while Govt of Sind is very proactive even in wasting the water of river Indus in Arabian sea.If Punjab govt can not protect the rights of people living alongside river Indus,it will BE better to separate out those areas from Punjab,so that those people can protect their rights themselves.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 9:30 #
  26. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    پاکستان ایک عشق ۔ ایک جنون
    Keep it up

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 14:37 #
  27. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Due to incompetent Punjab Government , situation has so much deteriorated that other provinces which are very vocal about Provincial autonomy are interfering in the affairs of Punjab by violating provincial autonomy of Punjab , for example Sindh Province Government and Assembly has started to give suggestions to Punjab that which Canal should be kept opened or closed, which Dam (hydrel project ) should be constructed or not, and which land of Punjab should be cultivated or not, while Punjab Government is completely silent about such interference, while Sindh Government is busy in wasting River Indus water in Arabian sea which is a sin and crime against humanity but Punjab government is making no objection about such wastage.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Feb 2010 12:17 #
  28. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    • One must keep in mind that a typical power coal plant generates 3 million tons of CO2 or 17 tons of carbon per megawatt and draws about 2.3 billion gallons of water per annum from nearby source while on land coal produces mercury which not only renders water useless for human consumption but also for irrigation purpose as well.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Mar 2010 13:04 #
  29. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI: O bhaee, is qaum ke loag achhi tarhan jante hain ke sahi kia hai aur ghalat kia hai. Phir! bhi ghalat kaam karte hain.

    Aisi qaum ko tum kyoon baar baar kehte ho ke sahi kaam karo ?

    Jab ke wo ghalat kaam karne par kamar-basta hain ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Mar 2010 14:33 #
  30. Kindly explain how one should keep in mind 'what type of' a typical power COAL PLANT generates 3 million tones of CO2....What capacity?

    This is a discuss forum where members interact through discussions about the thread topic while you are yet to be observed doing the same!

    In addition 'on land coal produces mercury'...A statement that should be explained further based on scientific facts how much mercury is actually present in our coal reserves....and from which area of Pakistan.

    What is your point after all? Should we forget utilizing our coal reserves towards improvement connected to fulfilling our energy requirements of/for all Pakistanis even if partially, is not worth the trouble?

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Mar 2010 15:02 #
  31. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Already Polluted Atmosphere of South Asia.
    South Asia is already suffering from the adverse effects of Brown cloud(Accumulation of Dirty gases in upper atmosphere of Subcontinent and is having negative effects on the heath of population of India and Pakistan ,Moreover there is already shortage of Ozone gas in the upper atmosphere of South Asia,due to which people of South Asia (India, Pakistan,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka ) are not having perfect healthy bodies as compared other reaces of the world.In view of such a bad condition of atmosphere burning the coak is just like to throw the people Pakistan into valley of death
    There are a number of adverse environmental effects of coal mining and burning, specially
    The glaciers of the Himalayas, Karakoram, Hindukush and Pamir ranges in Gilgit-Baltistan contribute significantly to the stream flow of the IBRS. More significantly, during the dry season these glaciers become the system’s only source. Impacts due to climate change on these glaciers have been studied in recent decades and vivid fluctuation of water flow in the Indus River Basin System has been reported.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 6:00 #
  32. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI: Everyone knows! the facts. The facts have been documented over and over again, and piled up in Govt. offices for decades.

    We have already discussed, that Pakistan has at least 7 different ways of generating cheap electricity.

    After two years in power, this government hasn't even set a direction for this nation to move in, in order to achieve cheap electricity.

    Neither have its people protested against it.

    I wonder what do the people of this nation want ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 6:16 #
  33. Even if burning of Thar coal will contribute considerably towards environmental pollution as Mr. Niazi has expressed his concerns due to presence of high sulfur content along with high levels of moisture still we should utilize these deposits for the manufacture of fertilizer if not burning for electrical energy!

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 7:41 #
  34. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    There are large number of resources such as WIND,SOLAR,FOSSILS FUELS AND WATER,but main thing is that which one is beneficail.
    Solar Energy can be generated when sun light is available in day time and not in night,More over electricity can not be stored.

    Wind Energy can be generated when flow of air is naturally present in day time and in right direction as flow of air near sea change during night therefor at night it is not feasible to generate electricity.

    Coal Fossils Fuels: These are most pollutant source of energy and causes pollution of land, air and water and destroy life.

    Therefore only by making dams like Kalabagh which are the most clean source of energy and not only generate energy but also increase water resources,increase agriculture productivity and cause environment improvement,thus Kalabagh and other dams on rivers are the best source of electricity.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 9:34 #
  35. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree with you Niazi sb. Building dams is the long term solution to our problem, our needs. I am all! for it. The sooner we build dams, the better.

    However, just for the sake of discussion, I want to bring to your attention, the fact that with India;

    (1) violating international treaties
    (2) building dams to stop flood water from coming to Pakistan
    (3) having backing of foreign powers in establishing its hegemony in this region

    and at a time when Pakistan is doing nothing about it;

    (1) are dams the viable solution ?
    (2) are dams the only solutions we should be looking at in order to ensure our long term strategic objectives ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 9:51 #
  36. naseemkhanan
    Member

    The way you speak about renewable sources of energy and their shortfalls makes it clear to me that you are ignorant of this technology therefore I should ignore you comments in this regard. No I will not.

    Dams are not a total long term solution to our energy needs. Good for water storage that we face right now and for the foreseeable bleak future due to same. You stress on just Kalabagh dam that is a controversial issue in Pakistan and not favoring building of multiple reservoirs (easier to maintain) as a solution, on a much smaller scale points towards an unfavorable agenda for Pakistan that you may be having.

    Don't forget that for building dams huge amounts of investment for building, compensation to locals for land taken by government and than submerged under water forming a reservoir, and decreased capacity both storage and power after two to three decades, due to slitting! Have you considered those?

    You may come up with an excuse that cost of setting up solar or wind based energy sources is also formidable. Not exactly if you start thinking of depending on your own resources and start erecting solar concentrators that are much cheaper to construct/erect in numbers and never a burden to maintain.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 9:55 #
  37. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Naseem: I agree with you. I believe, dams or related power plants may however survive wars, solar power plants may not. They are sitting duck targets in a war situation, nice ripe bombing campaign targets.

    There are pros' and cons' of every solution. But that's just me thinking aloud about them.

    I agree on ALL! solutions.

    What I'm worried about is, what the heck!;

    (1) is Pakistan Govt.'s plan in this regard ?
    (2) are people of Pakistan planning about it ?
    (3) is Pakistan Govt. doing about it ?
    (4) are people of Pakistan doing about it ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 10:11 #
  38. rashidsaleem
    Member

    Global warming is a point of concern for all of us not just the developed countries. We should openly advocate for more environment friendly projects in all spheres of life. Government has to be made aware of the implications their choices would foster for the future generations.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 11:06 #
  39. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Thar coal a Health Threat
    Explosives used during underground and surface
    mining release carbon monoxide pollution, a health
    threat for workers.26 Coal mining and coal washing
    both stir up small dust and coal particles, which
    combine with other chemicals in the air and can
    cause serious and potentially fatal respiratory problems
    like black lung.27 Harmful air pollution is also
    released when coal is transported.
    About 100 percent of all coal shipments
    in the will be made via
    roads,which will become one of the
    nation’s largest sources of soot and
    smog pollution.Both soot and
    smog can cause health problems,

    including respiratory problems
    and increased risk of asthma attacks.Coal-laden
    railcars also cause soot pollution when coal dust
    blows off into the surrounding air, a substantial
    problem considering that a typical coal plant
    requires 40 railcars per day to deliver the 1.4 million
    tons of coal needed each year.The problem of
    blowing coal dust from trains and trucks is clearly
    seen in some communities where residents routinely
    wipe thick layers of coal dust off their houses.

    BLACK LUNG PUTS COAL MINERS AT RISK

    Black lung is a group of respiratory diseases in
    coal miners that can cause serious lung disease
    and death. Known technically as pneumoconiosis
    or silicosis, black lung is caused by repeated
    exposure to coal dust and other small particles
    stirred up during coal mining. Symptoms include
    coughing, spitting up black material, shortness of
    breath, and eventual hardening and scarring of
    the lungs. Although some of the symptoms can
    be alleviated, there is no known cure for black
    lung and no reversal of the symptoms.

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimate
    that about 12,000 miners died from black lung in
    the U.S. in the ten-year period ending in 2002,
    while other estimates put the toll at about 1,500
    per year.There is a strong correlation between
    length of exposure (years in the mine) and
    prevalence of black lung, with about eight percent
    of long-term workers affected by the disease.
    36 Although the prevalence of black lung
    has decreased since federal mining legislation.
    Is Government of Pakistan is ready to cause so much damage to health of its citizens.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 12:53 #
  40. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Thar Coal and Karachi and Lahore.
    Air pollution: The level of air pollution in Pakistan’s two
    largest cities, Karachi and Lahore, is estimated to be
    20 times higher than World Health Organization standards
    and continuing to rise. As industry has expanded,
    factories have emitted more and more toxic effluents into
    the air. The number of vehicles in Pakistan has swelled in
    recent years from 680,000 in 1980 to 5 million in 2003.
    The 1992 National Conservation Strategy Report claims
    that the average Pakistani vehicle emits 25 times as much
    hydrocarbon and more than 3.5 times as many nitrous
    oxides in grams per kilometer. Cars are the leading source
    of air pollution that adversely affects Pakistan’s economy
    and population. Economic damages from urban air
    pollution are estimated at about $370 million, with 6.4
    million people hospitalized annually for air-pollutionrelated illnesses.
    A recent advertisement placed by the
    government in a newspaper warned, “Take care of your
    tune-ups before the poison in the air takes care of you.”

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:08 #
  41. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    “Take care of your environment before the poison in the air from Thar coal takes care of you.”

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:10 #
  42. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI: Please! don't repeat already mentioned stuff, over and over again. Once, was quite enough, thankyou.

    Putting up references rather than lengthy text would be helpful.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:11 #
  43. M.Akram Niazi sahab. Pls come back on topic and kindly inform us more about Thar coal. You have warned of 'Black Lung' that coal miners suffer. Should we cancel coal mining because of risk involved to coal miners? Is there a mechanical way to extract coal minimizing human exposure to coal dust?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:15 #
  44. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Islamic viewpoint of environmental issues:
    Islam, as a way of life, expects human beings to conserve the environment for several reasons that may be summarized
    as follows: The environment is Allah’s creation. The
    creation of this earth and all its natural resources is a sign
    of His wisdom, mercy, power and His other attributes
    and therefore serves to develop human awareness and
    understanding of this creator. (Ar-Ra d, 13: 2-4; 21:79)
    Muslims should seek to protect and preserve the
    environment because by so doing they protect Allah’s
    creatures which pray to Him and praise Him. Humankind
    might not be able to understand how these creatures
    praise Allah but this does not mean that they did not so,
    Allah says: (The seven heavens and the earth and all
    beings therein, declare His glory: There is not thing but
    celebrates His praise and yet ye understand not how
    they declare His Glory!) (Al-Isra’ 17:44). Also among the
    reasons why Islam seeks to protect and preserve the
    environment is that Islam, as a way of life, is established
    on the concept of geed (khayr). Therefore it is expected
    that Islam will protect the environment once it is
    understood that such protection is geed by itself. The
    Quran states: (He whoso do well an atom’s weight will
    see it. And whoso do ill an atom’s weight will see it.)
    (Az-Zalzalah 99: 7-8). In Islam, humans are expected to
    protect the environment since no other creature is able
    to perform this task. Humans are the only being that Allah
    has”entrusted” with the responsibility of looking after the
    earth. This trusteeship is seen by Islam to be so onerous
    and burdensome that no other creature would ‘accept’ it.
    Allah says: (Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens
    and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing
    it and were afraid if it ad man assumed it Lo! He is tyrant
    and fool.) (Al-Ahzab 33:72).

    In Islam the relationship between humankind and
    the environment is part of social existence, an existence
    based on the fact that everything on earth worships the
    same God. This worship is not merely ritual practice,
    since rituals are simply the symbolic human manifestation
    of submission to Allah. The actual devotions are actions,
    which can be practiced by all the creatures of earth
    sharing the planet with the human race. Moreover humans
    are responsible for the welfare and sustenance of the
    other citizens of this global environment. The Quran
    contains many verses that can be referred to for guidance
    in this respect. The following verse 21 of the second
    surah of the Quran is one example: (O people! Worship

    your Lord, Who hath created you and those before
    you, so that you ay ward off (evil). Who hath
    appointed the earth a resting-place for you and the sky a
    canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky,
    thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set
    up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).) (Al-Baqarah

    2: 21-22).
    This system has been placed under human
    responsibility, to be cared for and not misused as can be
    concluded by returning to verse 22 of Surat al-Baqarah.
    The word lakum (for you) in the phrase “created for you”
    contains the message that the earth is not for one
    generation but for every generation, past, present and
    future and that would include humans as well as other
    creatures on this earth. Accordingly, rivers, minerals are
    the property of all. This should be distributed fairly
    and justly.

    Suggestion to mitigate the impact on environment by
    coal and fuels wood: The need of the hour is to encourage the growth of the energy industry without causing damage to environment and humanity.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:26 #
  45. Bhai sahab, a'ap samjey nahin. Kindly read my post and inform us according to the question I have put up seeking a reply from you. I will repeat it again:

    Should we cancel coal mining because of risk involved to coal miners? Is there a mechanical way to extract coal minimizing human exposure to coal dust?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:31 #
  46. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    The facts are in: coal-fired power plants and the pollution they release every day are a major threat to human health and our environment. We need to act now to clean up dirty coal power through pollution reductions that can protect our families now, not in two decades. We also need to reduce our dependence on dirty coal by retiring and replacing these plants with clean energy alternatives like wind, solar,hydrel and improvements in energy efficiency.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 13:40 #
  47. Sorry Niazi sahab. You have done it again. Cut and paste....I was hopeful to draw an 'on target' comment from you but alas, you are way off with this one. Okay carry on....I rest my case.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Mar 2010 15:05 #
  48. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Long known as a major source of air pollution,
    coal-fired power plants are also major contributors
    to global warming, accounting for almost 40 percent
    of our nation’s carbon dioxide pollution
    (CO2), the prime global warming pollutant.3 But
    the truth is that the pollution created by generating
    electricity from coal does not start or stop at
    the power plant. It stretches all the way from the
    coal mine to long after coal is burned and the electricity
    has been used in our homes and businesses.
    Mining and burning coal scars lungs, tears up the
    land, pollutes water, devastates communities, and
    makes global warming worse.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Mar 2010 9:48 #
  49. You are on your own Niazi sahab. No point as you don't discuss just cut and paste that are way off, not even coming close to our queries.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:29 #
  50. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Mr. Semi Raza if Pakistan Environmental Minister and Minister of Health are so ignorant and silent about this life threatening matter and you also have deleted my ideas about this important matter related with health ,agriculture,environment,life and future,my points are clear and are not controversials and are universally recoganized while in past you have deleted my Ideas and now you are trying to divert this importantsubject towards something else, which is highly deploable,it is your responsibility to spread real and true facts about dirty and malicious bussiness of use of coal which will make the future of Pakistan black and dark liker coal itself.First of all we should be sincere with humanity then with ourselves.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Mar 2010 10:47 #

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