Yet another shame for PTI
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Establishment tool Imran Khan stumped by GEO on Hussain Haqqani-Memogate issue
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hofiftytwo
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:53 # -
aftab
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Big storms sometimes begin deceptively small and then in no time become monsters, ruthlessly devouring the unprepared, the unsuspecting. Are Mansoor Ijaz’s revelations in the Financial Times something similar? He claims to have delivered an SOS message from President Zardari to President Obama at the behest of a top diplomat and says that he was specifically asked to approach Admiral Mike Mullen because Mullen could influence both Obama and Gen Kayani. “The memo was delivered to Admiral Mullen at 14.00 hrs on May 10”, wrote Mansoor, saying the very next day in Washington, Mullen had a meeting with “Pakistani national security officials” who had no clue at the time that their meeting had been spawned by a secret presidential memo. Rawalpindi too learnt of the memo months later when Mansoor went cautiously public in the FT.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=74433&Cat=9&dt=10/26/20
So Zardari sends a message too Obama through the Chinese/Afghan Ambassadors(according to N-league logic)but not the designated American Ambassador. Some 'smoking gun' isn't it....
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 14:27 # -
siddiqi73
@Aftab,
All I want to know is where in that op-ed article by Mansoor Ejaz was Hussain Haqani mentioned? Did it even mention that the "Senior Diplomat" was of ambassadorial level? A senior diplomat of a country besides the ambassador can be the Consul General and Pakistan has at least four of them based in NY, Chicago, LA and Houston. A senior diplomat inside an embassy besides the ambassador is also the Charge D Affairs.
So now the question as always remains to be answered, how did Imran Khan know for a fact that it was Haqqani and only Haqqani himself who delivered this memo to Mansoor Ejaz.
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 14:50 # -
aftab
@ Sid
I want to find it too, but can't seem to do so.
Imran is the only one who can answer but from the above article that i posted, it is pretty obvious, that to get a message too Obama, you would use the American ambassador and not one from a third country.
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 14:52 # -
aftab
Early on May 9, a week after US Special Forces stormed the hideout of Osama bin Laden and killed him, a senior Pakistani diplomat telephoned me with an urgent request. Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan’s president, needed to communicate a message to White House national security officials that would bypass Pakistan’s military and intelligence channels. The embarrassment of bin Laden being found on Pakistani soil had humiliated Mr Zardari’s weak civilian government to such an extent that the president feared a military takeover was imminent.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ea9b804-f351-11e0-b11b-00144feab49a.html#axzz1eLy3eipM
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 15:24 # -
stingingnettle
In our digressive obsession with who knew what and when, we seem to forget that the main issue is a far more serious one; Zardari and Haqqani's extra-ordinary back-channel back stabbing of Pakistans national defence forces. I am amazed that no body seems to be asking the very simple question; Is this the way the President should behave? Is there a new definition of high treason?
Please try and keep an eye on the real issue. It's about Zardari and Haqqani uttering sweet nothings in Mullen's ears.
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 16:54 # -
stingingnettle
In our digressive obsession with who knew what and when, we seem to forget that the main issue is a far more serious one; Zardari and Haqqani's extra-ordinary back-channel back stabbing of Pakistan's national defence forces. I am amazed that no body seems to be asking the very simple question; Is this the way the President should behave? Is there a new definition of high treason?
Please try and keep an eye on the real issue. It's about Zardari and Haqqani uttering sweet nothings in Mullen's ears.
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 16:55 # -
outspokenloud
have you ever wonder that N$ did not say a word about American role & policies about pakistan & muslims for the last 4 years?
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 21:53 # -
Universal007
Imran is exposed again.....
imran is exposed on secrete meeting with isi chief and american embassedor.
imran is exposed when he hide on long march day
imran is exposed when he bend infrount of jemima even after divorce.
imran is exposed when us court declare sitta white his illegetimate daughter.
imran is exposed when he kept quiet against musharraf,against altaf and he pulled out case against altaf.
imran is exposed when he laughed at dange in lahore..and many times more
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 22:23 # -
stingingnettle
ADMIN!
Why are you not blocking 'KHAN' who keeps posting the same shite on multiple threads?
This not the first time I have noticed him doing it. Can you please enforce your banning policy?
KHAN is devaluing this forum and needs a life time ban and possibly a spanking.
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 22:39 # -
outspokenloud
N$ demand of judicial inquiry is like a " Pot calling the kettle black" he did the same in 1999 for the very same reason
what hypocrate this Nawaz deal $hareer is !
Posted 1 year ago on 21 Nov 2011 23:28 # -
Na`Maloom(NQM)
It has been complicated by the involvement of opposition politician and former cricketer Imran Khan.He named Hussain Haqqani as a player in the "memogate" affair at a large rally in Lahore on 30 October - before Mr Ijaz had brought his name into the public domain in the West.
Mr Khan has yet to explain why he did so.
FULL VID:
Posted 1 year ago on 22 Nov 2011 19:57 # -
Universal007
i was also member of pti but i left long time ago and u will see all those young people those are being fooled by imran khan ,they will soon be disappointed.
b/c in reality there is no one who can bring inqilab and we dont have any leader of that criteria only Allah will bring it when all the muslims will be united .so please be aware of those people who make u fool by the name of revolution.
the real revolution in ur life u can bring if u follow the deen and fulfill responsibilities and thats it.
following a western agenda can never bring inqliab in a muslim.Posted 1 year ago on 22 Nov 2011 20:16 # -
Universal007
imran himself is nothing its all establishment that is promoting him all of sudden.
otherwise any person with common sense would think how all of sudden he is under discussion and all lotaz joining him...there must be somehting behind....and b/c all these lotaz thinks that establishment has promised imran to make him prime minister thats why they are joining him.
but i think no matter what establishment would do imran can never become prime minister b/c he is a arrogant person/Maghroor
and Allah dont like maghroor.Posted 1 year ago on 22 Nov 2011 20:17 # -
Universal007
VERY VERY IMPORTANT.....
why pakistan condition could not changed after 60 years? b/c wherever these western countries/america go their target is to form an establishment with which they can rule always and once they are able to make that set up then they go out of that country and control via remote control.
same thing happen in egypt,people removed Husne Mubarak and they thought their will be change but they did not see that change and now they in streets again against army,b/c the army was controling everything and the remote control of army was somewhere else.
similarly in pakistan is the same problem...they dont want that nawaz sharif or any other powerful prime minister who can change their game...they want only that person who work under that establishment so they can rule the country.Posted 1 year ago on 22 Nov 2011 20:34 # -
stingingnettle
KHAN
"i was also member of pti but i left long time ago"
Merciful God be thanked for that!
The tripe you come up with adequately confirms that you have found your true calling in life, an undying love for a "powerful" Nawaz Sharif, who signed a secret deal and went into a hellish life in exile with his family and his money.
What can I say, true love never dies, so enjoy the warm glow that emanates from Raiwind.
Perhaps you like cowards, who knows.
Posted 1 year ago on 22 Nov 2011 21:43 # -
sandman
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=72531&Cat=9
The News published Haqqani name on OCT 15, a full 15 days before Lahore Jalsa. If a journalist could have worked it out (check out the 2nd comment on the story as well), I'm sure others could have worked it out as well.
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Nov 2011 2:02 # -
ali-pk
i have never understood the mentality of our Political system -- so what if the establishment supports one specific party???
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Nov 2011 7:17 # -
sasherwani
@ stingingnettle,
Mate love your response to Khan. You might not know this but you have actually caught a bluff here ;)
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Nov 2011 7:22 # -
Anonymous
@KHAN
jis insan ko qoam nay 20 din may 3 arab(or aik ropay ki bhi corruption nahi hoi) selaab k liyay diyay woo jhota or establishment ka numainda wo, or jo mulak loat k or phir mhuaiday kar k bahar chalay gayee woo sachay......waha ray pakistani tera insaaf.....
@sasherwani
good mate, we know who is right or wrong,
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Nov 2011 7:26 # -
saladin89
hope this clears things up, however nooners conspiracy theories do amaze me:
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 12:57 # -
Scandinavian
Now, what say Mr. Zero d0ctor? Or will you go into hiding?
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 14:47 # -
danial1985
For all those who believe Imran Khan as a tool of establishment should see this video also. And after watching this if you still see Imran as a tool then you should consider Najam sethi as well.
Watch from 14:00 16:00 else you can watch whole episode.
Program name Aapas ki baat.21st november
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 16:25 # -
munshi
@ali-pk
i have never understood the mentality of our Political system -- so what if the establishment supports one specific party???-----------------------
Are we need another Bangladash............???
We will never learn our lesson, may Allah help us all & save the remaining Pakistan from this establishment & their sponsored parties.Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 17:05 # -
munshi
@ali-pk
i have never understood the mentality of our Political system -- so what if the establishment supports one specific party???-----------------------
Some friend say that PTI is not sponsored by establishment & they are trying to prove that, other say: "so what if the establishment supports one specific party???"
Where you stand all our Revolutionary friends???
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 17:14 # -
arif786
Could not agree more, the establishment with its dirty games has done more harm to Pakistan then all the political parties together .... they have stolen mandates, manufactured election results..used militancy and guerall warfare to gain strategic depth internally as well as externally....put conditions on civilians and as a result the country is ungovernable now...it is about time that it stopped..
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 17:31 # -
Na`Maloom(NQM)
@Scandinavian
Or will you go into hiding?LOL,look whoz talking.. You think i am ISI Khan(Who went into hiding just before Long March in March 2009 and who went into hiding during dictator Mush's time as well and was nabbed by IJT at punjab university and handed over to Police..)
Its no surprise opportunist agents of establishment like Muhammed Malick are now bailing out ISI Khan, after all Pasha is a busy person, you can't expect Pasha to show up every night at BaniGala Palace for "daily bed time story debriefing" , he obviously must have tasked establishment's other proven and tested intermediators & interlocutors(Butlers & Nannies) like Haroon Rasheed and Malick to do the dirty work(Like changing ISI Khan's diapers etc)..
You would see many more of these opportunist establishment turncoats join the ISI khan in coming days..
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 17:42 # -
munshi
@ali-pk
i have never understood the mentality of our Political system -- so what if the establishment supports one specific party???-----------------------
So with the support of establishment you will bring REVOLUTION, we might have many such revolutions (supported by establishment) through out the history of Pakistan & situation is infront of you.
We need to learn something from our past mistakes for better future of this country.
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 17:49 # -
Soldiers never die
OH MY GOD!!!! i guess u guys dnt read news.... khabrain.com.pk has released this story long time back bfore jalsa and they had clearly mentioned the name "hussain haqqani"
now plz bring dis discussion 2 peace.... if u r nt aware of d facts dnt claim tat u r right....
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 18:36 # -
safshan
hahahaha....
khwaja ka gawah daddu...
abdul malik, the real tool of establishment who embezzled billions of rupees by getting favors from mush is now at it again, saving mr. clean from the embarrassment of being exposed...
stop living in denial, the nile is a river in egypt...
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 22:24 # -
outspokenloud
Comparing Abdul Malik & N$, who was the biggest beneficiary of Army dictators ?
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2011 23:05 # -
Zoab Khan
Mohammad Malick receiving a death threat. From a blocked number
Reporters Without Borders is concerned by a telephone death threat received three days ago by Mohammad Malick, editor of the Pakistani daily The News International, from a blocked number.
The threat followed his newspaper’s prominent coverage of the so-called “memogate” scandal, which led to the resignation of Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States this week.
“We ask the Pakistani authorities to take the telephone threats against Mohammad Malick seriously and to pay attention to his safety in the coming weeks,” the press freedom organization said.
“We do not want to see another tragedy like the kidnapping and murder of Saleem Shahzad.”
The body of Shahzad, an investigative reporter who wrote about Islamic militants and Al-Qaeda for the Asia Times online newspaper, was found in Punjab province on 31 May 48 hours after he went missing....
read the whole article here.
http://en.rsf.org/pakistan-journalist-receives-death-threat-24-11-2011,41463.htmlPosted 1 year ago on 26 Nov 2011 2:49 # -
Zoab Khan
ISI and Army can't be the ones giving death threats to malick. I don't understand the point of giving death threat now when everything is out in the open. Unless their is more to it than we already know.....Is Zardari sending his cockroaches to do the job?
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Nov 2011 2:50 # -
pakstar
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Nov 2011 2:51 #
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