Wahid Doyum
Member
I am posting this video of brave man hakeemullah hiding in the dark in a cave while desperately trying to motivate his fighters who are running away at top speed from the Pakistan army in Waziristan. In the end, the taliban accomplishment was to steal one laptop and ammo box and call it victory as they ran way with it! What great takifirs they are.
This video is dedicated to the Jamati media team assigned to pkpolitics.
Wahid Doyum
Member
And this is Taliban begging people of Swat not to capture and butcher talibs like dogs in the streets of mingawara. Excellent video by talibs.
@Wahid Doyum
'This video is dedicated to the Jamati media team assigned to pkpolitics.'
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By saying this, it becomes clear that this thread is a propaganda campaign labelling our members as a faction while the poster obviously belongs to the opposite, otherwise why this labelling?
'What great takifirs they are.'What exactly do you mean by saying this?
I may say that you are interested only in pasting links but shying away not getting yourself involved in your own threads through dicussions. Why not debate so that you may know well instead of comparing them with dubious media,and labelling them straightaway.
To what ever faction, creed, sect, religion they may belong no such hate mongering campaigns or rhetorics against our member are favoured.
shame to those who have bayet on khalifa hakim mehssod.
one of their family member is driving trucks/transport to forward NATO goods from karachi port to afghanistan
and secong brother is fighting and killing innocent citizens of pakistan.
This is lates islamic version of TTP.
toamin
member
Now just look at this example above. You are believing that Hakim Mehsood is Khalifah and people have given bayah to him. Do you have any criteria of verifying news or you just start believing in anything?
msohail83
Member
Army needs to stop these operations and Taliban need to halt their campaign. Its a lose-lose situation. Victims in both cases are Pakistanis.
Nato guys are now talking about exit strategies and paying people to switch sides but continue to pressure us to exapnd these military operations. How stupid are we? Bringing destruction upon us blindly. Wake up Pakistan!
i know only the fact that innocent pakistanis are being killed by talibans and by army action.
both the sides are shaheed.
rent a jehad in 80's has given birth to 2/3 generations and pakistan is facing the music planned by military generals who consider themselves most intelligent aristotle.
Anzal
Member
The fighting between Taliban and Pak army is a result of 'Divide N Rule' strategy. Pakistan is the only muslim army holding nuclear weapons that we have to defend Islam.And Taleban is to be seen as the choosen army to free the Palestinians.....
So we should once for all stop our internal fights and pray to Allah to grant the Mujahidden victory over the Kaafirs.
nuclear weapons had not saved USSR. economic failures broke USSR into pieces.
i do not agree being sole muslim nuclear nation, everyone is targeting pakistan.
nuclear status never saved our misplanned adventure on cargil in 1999.
are nuclear weapons saving pakistan from internel destruction?
can we use atom bomb against taliban ?
can atom bomb eradicate our poverty/
can atom bomb give pakistan a respectable staus in world community ??
NO.
toamin
member
Perhaps you are unaware of the status of Pakistan in the world.
Anzal
Member
No misinterpretation plz!!!
On the contrary, we should be proud of Pakistan holding such an army. Supossedly in the future, there is some kind of world war, Pak army compared to other Arab nations are in a much better position to defend the banners of Islam. We should be proud of it.
As regards to the internal conflicts, we got the hands of our political leaders itself as complice with the Kaafirs. i presume, perhaps im wrong, that neither the Pak people/army nor the Taleban are at fault.
Why are you mentioning that only Pak is in a state of poverty...don't forget the poverty prevailing in Arab-African countries or even Bangladesh or even in countries like Cheychen, Cashmire, Palestine...the list is long my bro
status of pakistan is taught in our school sylabus books, that strong defense weapons and huge army will save pakistan from any foreign threat.
also taught that atom bomb can make pakistan super power, and pakistani taliban can conquer the world.
you know, 90% of our pakistan population is illetrate, just 3% are done master level.
its very easy to brain wash 90% majority of pakistan according to Ayub, yahya, zia and Mush wishes.
toamin
member
No, TP 90% population is not illiterate, come on you just exaggerate everything so much.
90% are literate only 10% are jahil and that could include some of those from 3% that you stated above.
It only depends on definition of literate, else people are aware of moral values and basic teachings of Islam.
ok, whether literate or illiterate, in both ways, these are used as toilet tissue paper by usa/west, still being used.
both the fighting forces in pakistan tribal areas are being used by foreign akas.
it is neither islam, nor jehad, it is total destructioon.
try tp understand the policy of foreign powers. they use islam to make mess among us.
muslims are being killed by muslims in the name of jehad & islam.
both the groups consider eachother the puppets.
it is heght of ignorance, foolishness and destrcution.
Allah has taken away powers/glory from muslims.
more powerful have been imposed on us to teach us lesson.
get a lesson.
sasherwani
Members
I request the mods to not delete the videos and delete only the Wahid's comments if the mods find these offensive.
Its important that Pakistan sees it for itself what these 'ahem' people are made of.
toamin
member
No TP, you don't like the tribal people that is clear. But you don't want to acknowledge Mush's role in brining the war to Balochistan and FATA areas. Zardari is just continuation of that policy.
whenever country's destiny is left on the shoulders of military dictators, they have proved 100% failure.
all the times, our military dictators have invited american intervention in our internal and regional affairs.
ayub, yahya, zia and mush are equally responsible for this mess. all these dictators played the game of americans in return of $$$$$$$, weapons and political support.
sasherwani
Members
@ TP Atta Turk too was a dictator. Turkey seems to be doing much better than us.
turk army under leadership of ataturk was main fighting force for independance of turkey, he was true patriot and very sincere to his nation.
unlike pakistan, our army and mulla played no role in independence of pakistan.
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
Ata Turk was no Ata Turk ie the father of nation. He was implanted by Allied powers to dismantle Khilafa. He was a Domla Jew supposedly converted. He was given a "victory" by British and other powers after World War I over the Greeks. The Otooman Khialafa needed reforms but Ata Turk took it other way and fulfilled the desire of Kafirs. There was one Book published by British in 1950's called one hundred greayt loives. The ONLY Muslim in that book was Mustafa Kamal Ata Turk. Now I an fully understand why that traitor was in that Book. He was "their" hero.
He preached fake nationalism that was instrumental in breaking of Khilafa and creation of illegitimate state of Israel and dozens of banana Arab states. He conveniently forgot his own ancestors in Central Asia who are REAL Turks. He was blindly aping the European model of nationalism and in that process forgot the ancestory of Turks who all came originally from Central Asia. His idol of nationalism led the Arabs to react and propogate their own nationalism. It was followed by Iranians and others later including Pakistanis, Afghans.
Musharraf the dictator said in his speech that Ata Turk the domla Jew was his role model. Pathetic slave!
please come to topic, khalifa hakim mehsud.
Ghareeb
Old-chechen
What is your IQ? It is same topic. Khilafa is coming. Does not matter who is the new one. May be Mullah Omar or Mehsud-May Allah protect them. They are million times better than Mr.10% implanted on your head as punishment.
There is Hadith Sahih that if you do not behave well, tyrants will be thrust on your heads.
"Khilafa is coming. Does not matter who is the new one. May be Mullah Omar or Mehsud-"
"tyrants will be thrust on your heads."
toamin
member
Here is another quote :)
"What is your IQ level?"
Wahid Doyum
Member
@semirza,
Unlike media team of JI/PTI, I don't get paid all day to sit on this site and post virtues of Taliban. Sorry for disappointing you.
More news today. Brave hero of Sawati Taliban , Mullah FM has run away to Afghanistan and promised to launch attacks on Pakistan. Meanwhile Zahid Hamid and JI team is still looking for evidence of hundreds of Blackwater guys in Pakistan.
I suggest members here focus on TTP video propaganda as it's very revealing of their true intentions which go beyond defending their areas.
Anzal
Member
Stop relying on all these media info, its all FALSE!!!
Whether it is in the east or west, al jazeera or BBC, its all controlled by zionists.
Hey man, you can't believe every word of these hypocrites...how can you be 100% that Mullah FM said so,have you heard him yourself????
c'mon, perhaps you don't know, for ex if BBC or CNN said that 5 americans have been killed by the Taliban, you should thnk that its 50 dead.
By the way, going back to Afganistan does not mean he is running away or he is a coward...and he won't launch attacks on Pak, our enemies is the NATO forces not Pak people.
Im sure that you are unaware that the supposedly propaganda video of the Mujahideen can be fake ones. Lets say if these videos were not fabricated by americans, there would exist no extremists in the eyes of the world and consequently no war on terror.
MEDIA=****
Wahid Doyum
Member
You are good joker Anzal. Everybody from the region has heard of what Radio FM used to preach in Sawat and what Azam Tariq is saying today. You're probably sitting in West or some Gulf country and don't know reality of so called "jihadi" culture and mindset which is actually takfiri that has spread in Pakistan thanks to establishment blunders.
Read Syed Saleem Shahzad's article in asia times as he is one of most connected journalists to these "jihadis". They all think of themselves as "pukkah" muslamans when they attack innocent Pakistanis.
@Wahid Doyum
‘You're probably sitting in West or some Gulf country and don't know reality of so called "jihadi" culture and mindset which is actually takfiri that has spread in Pakistan thanks to establishment blunders.’
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As per your post one who is in West or some Gulf State is unaware of a reality of ‘Jihadi culture and mindset that is actually takfiri’. As you are so seemingly aware that you are able to figure out ‘who is unaware’ than pls, in the light of your knowledge inform us further about:
-Afghans fighting an occupation of their country by who ever they may be, is a Jihad and they are rightfully tagged just as Jihadis only and not as freedom fighters, or as Mujahidens like before during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Why?
-No offense intended, lets assume that Pakistani was attacked and occupied under the same pretext as Afghanistan, and somehow you had to take up arms, than what would you prefer to be labeled. A terrorist, a Mujahid fighting for the liberation of his country or Just a jihadi?
-Further assuming that you are not just a Pakistani but a Muslim also. Pakistan govt is over whelmed by the occupying forces and public has to take up arms. Would you prefer to stay put or would you take up arms in liberation or defense of your country?
-What will you call those elements who dress as Taliban, and attack only government institutions, armed and equipped through our known enemies. Who are they?
-What will you call those elements who also dress as Taliban and attack busy market places or in general busy public places. Who are they?
-Do you know that Afghani fighters have made it public through media that they do not, have not attacked or believe in killing of women and children?
-A kalma go is forbidden to be labeled as a kafir. A Muslim at heart will never call Muslim a kafir. Who are the people exactly, who do such a thing?
Kindly update our knowledge that we lack but you happen to be blessed with and as our good luck is among us right now!
A rational response will be very much appreciated.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Dude, let me assure you, Jamaat-e-Islami doesn't have the slightest idea that I'm using this website and posting stuff.
Its! me! doing it on my own time, on my own free will. When I'll want to stop, I will STOP. I am an individual trying to make people SEE the difference between TRUTH and LIE.
So, if you think Jamaat-e-Islami is into deceiving people, you are dreaming something impossible, lol.
The only thing I can think of is to *laugh* on you for even thinking this.
($me *shakes* head) You don't know Jamaat-e-Islami and its people
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Its good that Islam doesn't hand-over responsibility to name Kafir to ordinary people, or Muslims would kill each other off completely with this weapon.
LOL!
What non-sense!
Wahid, you STILL DON'T! understand the situation. I pity you.
You are STILL looking at the branches, while knowingly or unknowingly AVOIDING the ROOT CAUSE of all this mess.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I don't find anything wrong with these videos.
If Pakistan had rule of LAW, if people of Pakistan had the confidence that they could challenge ANYONE in the court of LAW, who would resort to violence ?
NO! ONE!
You will have MORE and MORE! violence to show as long as rule of LAW doesn't return to our land.
Who cares if you post this video ?
The people who post comments on this website bring ZERO! output in our society. Which means, this ENTIRE excersize in itself is WORTHLESS.
I don't understand why you are against Jihad.
I don't understand why you can't see Pak Army who has sold itself for $$$ to conduct military operations against its people.
I don't understand why you only find ordinary people of Pakistan to be the ones to blame for ALL this mess.
I don't understand how you could be THIS NAIVE
Alhamdollilah, brave Pak army is most successful in guttering out the terrorists from troubled regions of Pakistan. These terrorism agents are supported by India and some foolish Arabs. But they will be destroyed for sure. Just wait and see. Boasting with big words on this thread will not work.
Pakistan Zinzabad.
toamin
member
I hope you are aware of peace agreements and secret deals with Talibans in that region?
Wahid Doyum
Member
@semirza
‘You're probably sitting in West or some Gulf country and don't know reality of so called "jihadi" culture and mindset which is actually takfiri that has spread in Pakistan thanks to establishment blunders.’
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As per your post one who is in West or some Gulf State is unaware of a reality of ‘Jihadi culture and mindset that is actually takfiri’. As you are so seemingly aware that you are able to figure out ‘who is unaware’ than pls, in the light of your knowledge inform us further about:
-Afghans fighting an occupation of their country by who ever they may be, is a Jihad and they are rightfully tagged just as Jihadis only and not as freedom fighters, or as Mujahidens like before during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Why?
Even your intent of the question is wrong here because you are focused on labels and terms. What differentiates terrorists from freedom fighters are their actions not their words. So, ask yourself this, what is allowable in Islam in conducting war and you will answer your own question on who was a freedom fighter and who was a jihadi in 1980s or 2009.
-No offense intended, lets assume that Pakistani was attacked and occupied under the same pretext as Afghanistan, and somehow you had to take up arms, than what would you prefer to be labeled. A terrorist, a Mujahid fighting for the liberation of his country or Just a jihadi?
See my answer from above. One thing I would not do is kill fellow Pakistanis indiscriminately as not only is it wrong, but counterproductive. Unfortunately, brain dead takfiris cannot understand this.
-Further assuming that you are not just a Pakistani but a Muslim also. Pakistan govt is over whelmed by the occupying forces and public has to take up arms. Would you prefer to stay put or would you take up arms in liberation or defense of your country?
See answer from above. I’m not sure why you keep asking hypotheticals when Islam is clear on the rights and wrongs. Only takfiris are confused and want to confuse others.
-What will you call those elements who dress as Taliban, and attack only government institutions, armed and equipped through our known enemies. Who are they?
They are enemies of the state of Pakistan and its security services.
-What will you call those elements who also dress as Taliban and attack busy market places or in general busy public places. Who are they?
Clearly both enemies of the state of Pakistan and terrorists. I'm surprised you are not able to answer this question yourself. Every muslim of sane mind would not think twice before answering this question like I did.
-Do you know that Afghani fighters have made it public through media that they do not, have not attacked or believe in killing of women and children?
Kudos to those Afghan fighters who don’t attack civilians, but we know that some of them, influenced by takfiri qaeda ideology do exactly this. Allah knows their fate best.
-A kalma go is forbidden to be labeled as a kafir. A Muslim at heart will never call Muslim a kafir. Who are the people exactly, who do such a thing?
Takfiris. I have personally listened to Jaish and Lashkar takfiri leaders give speeches and even talked to some of them. My interaction with them goes back than 2 decades and before 9/11. It is during these talks I began to realize how their views would destroy Pakistan one day.
Kindly update our knowledge that we lack but you happen to be blessed with and as our good luck is among us right now!
You’re welcome.
A rational response will be very much appreciated.
Wahid Doyum
Member
@JJ Khan
I hope you are aware of peace agreements and secret deals with Talibans in that region?
- True and it's results are visible in daily bombings.
@Wahid Doyum
My first three questions you did not answer as I was expecting. Mujahideen (later named Taliban) are still fighting the occupiers of their country Afghanistan. First the Russians and now America with its allies. Here the Afghans are fighting for a just cause.
Now Pakistan is fighting a war within its own territories. Taliban (in this case Pakistani taliban) that were jointly trained armed and backed by US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were left on their own after the Russian withdrawal.
Pakistan had to pay a price for that and it still paying in the form of countless acts of terrorism by the same former friends duped by US the backbone in all this and left on their own, still considerably armed. Now other's have joined in to further arm and equip them against Pakistan. This is compounded and added to grievences by the Pakistani army operations in FATA spreading into Baluchistan too.
Jaish and Sipah are armed factions who had been busy killing eachother even before 9/11. Both label eachother as kafir and therefore can be called takfiris. These are the blacklisted/banned sectarian armed factions that have done no good but harm to the Muslims.
You missed out those local criminals and imported mercenaries who have joined ranks and are exploding IEDs in public areas killing innocents. Such stage actors cannot be sidelined as many indicators pointing towards them and their presence in Pakistan has been brought to public awareness through media.
The rest I do agree with you.
Thanks for the knowledge update.
Wahid Doyum
Member
My first three questions you did not answer as I was expecting. Mujahideen (later named Taliban) are still fighting the occupiers of their country Afghanistan. First the Russians and not America with its allies. Here the Afghans are fighting for a just cause.
- Taliban movement is indirectly related to Mujahideen of those days, but not 100% the same as their background is directly from madrassahs and ISI training and Saudi funding. Their fight is not only against occupation, but also has an ideological component. Even if we say that are 100% correct in what they are doing right now, even if it means killing Afghan civilians, why were they killing fellow Afghans and Muslims pre 9/11 when no one was occupying Afghanistan? What was their intent than? Were they really fighting jihad against fellow Muslims? Maybe Ahmed Shah Masood will go to heaven and Mullah Omer to hell or vice versa. Only Allah knows best.
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Now Pakistan is fighting a war within its own territories. Taliban (in this case Pakistani taliban) that were jointly trained armed and backed by US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were left on their own after the Russian withdrawal.
-100% correct and the results of playing such games with the lives of fellow Muslims and humans is before us.
Pakistan had to pay a price for that and it still paying in the form of countless acts of terrorism by the same former friends duped by US and left on their own, still considerably armed. Now other's have joined in to further arm and equip them against Pakistan. This is futher compounded by the Pakistani army operations in FATA and that has spread into Baluchistan too.
- Yes, we should never have put our hands in the jihadi business during Zia’s time. Arming private militias and letting them run their own state can only lead to such things. I was saying these things during Afghan-Soviet war time and was labeled a communist, traitor and other things by some of my fellow compatriots.
Jaish and Sipah are armed factions who had been busy killing eachother even before 9/11. Both label eachother as kafir and therefore can be called takfiris. These are the blacklisted/banned sectarian armed factions that have done no good but harm to the Muslims.
- Agreed.
You missed out those local criminals and imported mercenaries who have joined ranks and are exploding IEDs in public areas killing innocents. Such stage actors cannot be sidelined as many indicators pointing towards them and their presence in Pakistan has been brought to public awareness through media.
- I do agree with this as well. Many actors are involved. We have to kick them all out, even though it will be a difficult, long and bloody process.
The rest I do agree with you.
Thanks for the knowledge update.
- Lastly, what I find most interesting is that our religious political parties say that India and US is involved with all terrorism, yet we should still negotiate with the perpetrators of this terrorism.
@Wahid Doyum
Lastly, what I find most interesting is that our religious political parties say that India and US is involved with all terrorism, yet we should still negotiate with the perpetrators of this terrorism.
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Religious parties are with the government, one way or another. They were the same with previous governments too.
On one side they accuse while on the other side they want to negotiate. Makes no sense at all.
SufiSoul
Member
Engaging Pakistan Army at own land did prove a successfull armed diplomacy by the TTA.
TTP proved a best cover up to harm Afghanistan Taliban movement against US forces..
Pakistan has a valid excuse for americans, of being busy at own land with Armed movement..
This is a grt damage to the americans DO MORE policy for Pakistan against armed Taliban movement in Afghanistan...
Pakistan's efforts to stage a successfull dialog between US and TTA is for this reason to kick back americans out of the region..
BUT a group of Intellectuals is of the view that americans has primary agenda is to De-neuclearise Pakistan.
So they will never be ready to quit bfore such of Achievement against Pakistan..
Recent media campaign by americans news papers should be taken towards the same objective..
So some hard days are expected for Pakistan in future...
Hidden exchange of smiles between Pakistan and TTP should be welcomed,keeping in mind this future Game...
Recent reports showed that Nawaz Sharif has a close relations with Hakeemullah Mehsud and other TTP leaders..
Wahid Doyum
Member
"Recent reports showed that Nawaz Sharif has a close relations with Hakeemullah Mehsud and other TTP leaders.. "
How "close"?
@sufisoul
if your view point is right then
how cruel are pakistani taliban and pak army both ? killing each other, killing citizens, having secret games to fool usa,......... I can not agree with your point.
toamin
member
Good analysis by SufiSoul.
sasherwani
Members
@ Ghareeb,
Just a question. Dont take it personally. Were you always blessed with such ideologies, beliefs and opinions? Or there was a point in your life which converted you into what you are today? I am trying to understand what made you start thinking the way you do. Please dont reply in a fictional way. I just want to know what happened? or were you just born into a religious family?
toamin
member
Sherwani,
You will find plenty who have discovered truth while living in West.
Western development, values, system, etc etc is just mirage built on colonial loot, genocides and conspiracies.
sasherwani
Members
JJ,
If your version of truth was convincing-enough, wont everyone be supporting khilafat? I am an open-minded individual who tries to study Islam as much as I can. The learning process actually began 3 yrs ago. I feel more lost than I was 3 yrs ago.
Ghareeb sounds like a person who has a similar educational/demographic background as mine. Thats why I am curious to know (for myself) on how he/she was able to convince himself/herself (wholeheartedly) that path he/she has chosen is the right one.
Faith has come as a birth-right to all of us. I dont think religion should be celebrated as a nationality.
toamin
member
Brother Sherwani,
Khilafah is just political system of Islam not Islam itself. Everyone is supporting islam (i mean muslims), isn't that right?
Without getting into terms/phrases, the ground reality is that overwhelming majority of Muslim are distancing from Western philosophies and going towards guidance of Islam.
Results of surveys and polls confirm this trend in Muslim world.
shahzad1924
member
and even if someone doesn't agree that the people want khilafah, he should just read seymour hersh's article. at least the west knows that the khilafah is very near.
Khilafah is being opposed with all means available because it will mean a system that is not interest based like western banking system. Western system is a tool to control world economies and thus control the whole world.
SufiSoul
Member
truepakistani,
your point is valid but in international politics it would be called as emotional thinking..
We have assets in shape of Islam the religion and interests of millions of Pakistanis and Afghanis at this time..
So what if some thousands of people are martyred in this clash to stop the evil destroying the whole population's Interests in this region..
If some thousands of ppl get shahadat that is not a big price for the remaning one's...
IZZAT,NAMOOS BACHANY KI LIYE QURBANIYAN THO DAINI PARTHI HAIN..
Today when we see afghan poor ppl collecting things from streets is the reminder to all of us that they accepted such life but not at the cost of religious or Nation's pride..
You can regain youR happy life but not the LOST HONOUR OR LOST RELIGIOUS IDENTITY.......
1. It is hard to believe that a child born in 21st Century would choose to live a life of 6th, 7th or 8th Century.
2. So far no breakthrough has been emerged to replace the Western Economic System.
3. Socialism and Communism did play a role as a substitute of Capitalism but ultimately had to embrace the domains of Capitalism.
4. Social, Political and Economic System was never uniform in an Islamic State under the Muslim Rulers. Every Ruler picked up and implemented what he needed to perpetuate his Tenure, under the label of Faith.
5. Still there is not a single book available at a book store in the market to guide about a universally endorsed Rules and Regulations what could help to replace the existing System of Governance.
6. Khilafat could re-emerge, once all the Muslim Jurists of the World get united to compose and consolidate an impressive and analytical version of Islamic Economic, Social, Political, Moral and Punitive system which should be acceptable to at least 51% of the Muslim Population of the World.
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