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Fearful Generals?

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  1. Bawa

    بھائی جی

    صرف ٹاک شوز ہی کیوں؟

    کسی بھی سیاستدان کا بیان اٹھا کر پڑھ لیں تو آپ ففٹی ففٹی کو بھول جائیں گے

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 5:01 #
  2. Ghost Protocol

    Yeh bilkul fresh post hey hehehehehe

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 5:01 #
  3. Ghost Protocol

    @Bawa G,
    Shayed aap busy hogaye hein, mujhey bhi jaana hey, kaheen koyee mujhey Luch tal party ka member hi na Samajehley.

    Wassalam

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 5:05 #
  4. Bawa

    اسکا انحصار سٹاک کی موجودگی پبلک ڈیمانڈ پر ہے

    سٹاک ختم ہونے پر یا پبلک کا موڈ دیکھکر نیا مال بنانا پڑتا ہے

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 5:07 #
  5. Bawa

    @ Ghost Protocol

    بھائی جی

    لچ تل پارٹی تو آپکو جائن کرنا ہی پڑے گی کیونکہ میں نے آپکو دعا والے تھریڈ پر بد دعائیں دیتے رنگے ہاتھوں پکڑ لیا ہے

    :) :)

    الله نگہبان

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 5:09 #
  6. pkpolitician

    جنرل کیانی بھی کئی بار سیاست میں مداخلت کرچکے ہیں۔ جنرل کیانی کو پیڑ اس لئے پڑی ہے کہ اگر سابق چیف آف آرمی اسٹاف جنرل اسلم بیگ اور آئی ایس آئی چیف جنرل درانی کو اپنے حلف سے روگردانی کرنے پر سزا ہوئی تو کل کلاں کو کوئی جنرل کیانی کے خلاف یہ پٹٰشن نہ دائر کردے کہ جنرل کیانی این آر او کروانے والوں میں شامل تھے، جنرل کیانی امریکیوں کے ساتھہ مل کر پاکستانی سیاست کے معاملات پر گفتگو کرتے رہے ہیں لہذا سیاست میں مداخلت کرنے پر جنرل کیانی کے خلاف بھی کاروائی کی جائے تاکہ آئندہ کوئی سیاست میں مداخلت نہ کرسکے۔ یہ بھی ممکن ہے کہ کل کلاں کو سابق آئی ایس آئی چیف جنرل پاشا کے خلاف بھی کوئی پٹیشن لے کر پہنچ جائے کہ جنرل پاشا بھی سیاست میں مداخلت کرتے رہے ہیں اور ایک سیاسی جماعت کے غبارے میں ہوا بھرنے میں ان کا ہاتھہ ہے لہذا جنرل پاشا کے خلاف بھی سیاست میں مداخلت کرنے پر کاروائی کی جائے۔

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 6:56 #
  7. Bawa

    @ pkpolitician

    بھائی جی - آپ درست کہہ رہے ہیں

    جنرل اشفاق پرویز کیانی وہ شخصییت ہیں جو اس این ار او میں دلال کا کردار ادا کر رہے تھے. وہ اسوقت آئی ایس آئی کے سربراہ تھے. انکا این آر او میں ایک خاص مفاد تھا کیونکہ اس این آر او کی تکمیل کے نتیجے میں جنرل پرویز مشرف کی وردی اترنا تھی اور جنرل کیانی کو آرمی چیف بننا تھا. دوسرے لفظوں میں یوں بھی کہا جا سکتا ہے کہ وہ بھی این آر او کے تحت فائدہ اٹھانے والوں میں شامل تھے

    اب وقت آگیا ہے کہ غلط کو غلط اور صحیح کو صیحیح کہا جائے. کیا کیانی کے عہدے کا حلف اسکو این آر او کا حصہ بننے کی اجازت دیتا تھا؟ کیا کیانی نہیں جانتا تھا کہ بینظر اور زرداری کے سوئس اکآونٹس کی حقیقت کیا ہے؟ کیا کیانی نہیں جاتا تھا کہ مشرف کو وردی سمیت یا بغیر وردی صدر بنوانا غیر آئینی ہے؟

    حقیقت یہ ہے کہ کیانی بھی مشرف کے گناونے جرایم میں برابر کے شریک ہیں. انکو بھی قانون کے شکنجے میں لانا وقت کی اہم ضرورت ہے

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 7:22 #
  8. EasyGo

    باوا جی، لگتا ہے ویک اینڈ فوج کے نام کر دیا
    پر اچھا استمعال کیا
    :)

    حاضر جرنیل کی طرف انگلی، شائد ابھی اتنی لٹ نہیں پڑی، آپ ہی تو کہہ رہے ہیں

    بلی کو پکڑنے لگیں تو اسکے بھاگنے کے لیے کوئی نہ کوئی کھڑکی یا دروازہ ضرور کھلا چھوڑ دینا چاہئیے ورنہ وہ آخری حربے کے طور پر آپکی آنکھوں پر جھپٹ سکتی ہے

    یاد رکھیں کہ فوج نہتی نہیں ہے اور اس پر تنقید کرتے وقت اور ایکشن لیتے وقت تھوڑی احتیاط کرنی چاہئیے ورنہ

    کوئی نیا سیاپا پڑ سکتا ہے

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    غلط کو غلط اور صحیح کو صیحیح کہا جائے

    یہ ٹھیک ہے، اور کچھ نہیں تو کم از کم بندہ اپنی رایے کو تو اس لائن پر لایے

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 8:31 #
  9. imtiazahmed

    Maulana Fazlur Rehman was asked by some media man to comment on PTI. His reply was "we will never let the "Jewish Lobby" take the reins of Pakistan government. If the Maulana continues this mantara in KPK which looks every likelihood, I dont think Imran would get any seat from that province.

    The remedy is Imran go to Tehran (as he went to Turkey) stand shoulder to shoulder with Ahmedi Nijad and announce that he and his followers stood right hand in hand with Nijad and down with Israel. It is as simple as that.

    Alternatively, he condemn Israel in very strong words right in Pakistan. If I am not wrong he has not spoken against Israel so far.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 9:44 #
  10. EasyGo

    Not sure if missed any post, but has full text of resolution passed by Rawalpindi Bar Council been out anywhere.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 9:45 #
  11. Anwer Kamal

  12. Pakistani Expat

    There are some lessons for Pakistan to draw from global experiences:

    In India; General V K Singh had to retire when the Supreme Court refused to entertain him

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-11/india/31049776_1_general-singh-largest-armies-army

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gen-v-k-singh-retires-after-a-controversial-tenure/956109

    In Sri Lanka; General Sarath Fonseka, a decorated war hero Army Chief was jailed when he tried to meddle in politics.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15787672

    In Turkey; Gen. Ilker Basbug former Army Chief of NATO's 2nd most powerful military has been jailed

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45896740/ns/world_news-europe/t/ex-head-natos-nd-largest-army-accused-forming-directing-terrorist-group/

    when his dirty plot was uncovered http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/turkey/120106/ilker-basbug-turkey-military-chief-arrested

    In USA, during war time General Stanley McChrystal was immediately kicked out when he gave a statement contrary to the official policy
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37866754/ns/us_news-military/t/obama-relieves-mcchrystal-command/

    Do you find any similar situation in Pakistan for those holy cows who are/or have been meddling in politics?

    What will be the fate of runaway General Pervez Musharraf due to his Coup d’etat, NRO, proclamation of emergency??
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/musharraf-still-major-colition-partner

    What will be the fate of General Ahmed Shuja Pasha for supporting and financing a dead horse???

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 12:29 #
  13. Javed Sheikh

    All Political Leaders of Pakistan could be promoted to the honorary ranks of:

    General Asaf Ali Zardari
    General Nawaz Sharif
    Brig. Shahbaz Sharif
    Lt. Gen. Imran Khan
    Air vice Marshal Fazal ul Rahman
    Air Commodore Mirza Munawar
    Soobedar Major Sheikh Rashid
    Commander Altaf Hussain
    Lt. Commander Shujaat Husain.

    Under that setup the division and tension between civil and military could be minimized.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 12:44 #
  14. Anwer Kamal

    Really a good post by Javed Sheikh

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 12:54 #
  15. fear

    یہ جنرل ہیں جو غریبوں کے خون پر پل رہے . ان کے بنگلون کے بل تک غریب لوگ جمع کرتے ہیں. ان کے بل سرکار جمع کرتی ہے. ایک جنرل کا گھر بنگلہ دیکھا . حیرانی ہوئی الله کے نام کی پلٹیں دیواروں پر لگی تھی .
    جیسے یہ جنرل بہت نیک ہے. خالد بن ولید کو فضول خرچی پر مار پڑھ سکتی ہے تو یہ جنرل کس مرض کی دوا ہیں.
    :) :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 13:39 #
  16. EasyGo

    Thanks @Anwar Kamal Jee,

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    Col.Inam has named COAS Kayani and DG MI Noshad Kayani in his FIR application regarding attack on him physically. Media did not report

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 18:04 #
  17. J.A.Khan

    Imtiazahmad Sb.

    Just wait a littlt bit to see how many mantras will come out in order to never allow IK to win any seat from KPK and from all tribal areas. They are no more that naive not understand what's going on in IK's mind.
    I've got nothing against IK in person, but often wonder the strange contradictions of IK.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 20:30 #
  18. Anwer Kamal

    I am surprised . A dirty war has been started . Biggest target is CJ but media is making joke of every one . Army is almost help less to justify his past . Malik Riaz is using his all sources against CJ .
    Malik Riaz is also engaged in an indirect war . Ch Nisar is now bravely struggling against Malik Riaz's killer mafia . Media is hiding that mafia since a decade . It is very complicated situation . Establishment is never happy with bloody civilians and they were engaged in conspiracies against PPP all the time but mean while PML N is too developed as an anti establishment party and they can not kill Nawaz Shareef because he is from their power base . Surprisingly PPP is willing for elections and CJ is also supporting elections . No way left for establishment and Kiani is in the last year of his extension ,not powerful as before .
    What options left for them ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Nov 2012 21:17 #
  19. Bawa

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    پہلے بڑے بڑے شہر فوج کے حوالے اور پھر پورا ملک – بھٹو کے پجاریوں کی یہی تاریخ ہے

    فوجیوں کے دلالوں
    کو ایک بات ہم یاد کروا دیتے ہیں کہ یہی فوج پھر الٹا لٹکا کر گردن بھی دس فٹ لمبی کرتی ہے

    اس لیے فوج بلانے سے پہلے اچھی طرح سوچ لیں اور سمجھ لیں

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 4:35 #
  20. gulraiz55

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 4:41 #
  21. allahbanda

    Punjabi ke kahawat hy,
    maan nal larna,tay hathh kithay pana.
    pakistani fouj aik maan he ke tarah,hamari hafazat krti hy, khud rat ko jagti takay ham pursakoon neend so sakain. apna aaj hamaray kal k leay qurban kr dayti hy.azli dushman jo hamari paydaish ky waqat say he hamara gala ghontnay ki muslsal koshsh main masroof hy es ki aAnkhwN main aankhain dal kar hamain sar baland karkay jeenay ka Hosla daiti hy.khudara es k baray main dushman wali zuban estemal mat kejeay. galti ho sakti hy mgr samjhanay ka andaz payar o mahabat ka hona chheay.keonkay methay bol main jadu hy. hamain apni fouj par fakhar krna chaheay.
    maan k grayban par hath nahi dalna chheay

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 7:01 #
  22. Hussain Farooqui

    Army intervention may shortly be followed by a martial law.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 7:08 #
  23. Bawa

    allahbanda

    pakistani fouj aik maan he ke tarah,hamari hafazat krti hy, khud rat ko jagti takay ham pursakoon neend so sakain. apna aaj hamaray kal k leay qurban kr dayti hy.

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    بھائی جی

    اچھی ماں ہے جس نے اقتدار کی لالچ میں اپنا ہی بڑا بیٹا (مشرقی پاکستان) قتل کر دیا اور قاتل (جنرل یحییٰ خان) کو قومی پرچم میں لپیٹ کر اور پورے قومی اعزاز کے ساتھ دفن کیا

    لعنت ایسی ماں پر جو اقتدار کی لالچ میں بچوں کو قتل کرتی ہے

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 7:20 #
  24. J.A.Khan

    Bawajee ASA

    Well said. That' the reality and that's why people like you and I are sitting abroad. Who wouldn't like to live in his own native country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2012 9:33 #
  25. Anwer Kamal

  26. iamsowise

    اسٹیبلشمنٹ کی پالی ہویی ' بلیاں' آخر حرکت میں آ ہی گیئں


    ووکلا اور میڈیا ہی اصل میں وہ طاقت ہیں جن سے جرنیل خوف کھاتے ہیں باقی بدمعاش ٹائپ سیاسی لیڈران سے کسی اچھے کی توقع نہیں جو جرنیلوں کے کہنے پر عدلیہ پر حملے کرتے ہیں اور وکیلوں کو زندہ جلا دیتے ہیں

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2012 6:24 #
  27. Plutonium

    I would like to mention two of the greatest military commanders serving in the greatest fighting force in history.

    1. Field Marshall Erich Von Manstein was the architect of the German victory against France in May, 1940 and probably the best military mind of the post-Napoleonic era.

    When everybody knew that Nazi Germany would lose the war, some generals went up to him and asked for his help in staging a coup against Adolf Hitler.

    The great general replied, "Prussian Field Marshalls do not mutiny".

    All of Germany was destroyed but this great general, whose performance and legacy can't be matched by the Pakistani property-dealers-****-generals in a 1000 lives, refused to mutiny against the political leadership despite knowing the end was going to be bitter.
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    2. Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, the "Desert Fox", was another legendary commander who pioneered the BLITZKRIEG tactic.

    The 7th Panzer Division, under his command, advanced a 100 miles in a single day in France earning the nickname "Ghost Division".

    When the British got defeated at Tobruk, Winston Churchill remarked about Rommel while in the House of Commons, "In the havoc of war, I must say a great general".

    Rommel was accused of being an accomplice in an assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler on July 20, 1944. He was brought before Adolf Hitler who gave him 2 choices:

    a. Stand trial in Military court
    b. Commit suicide

    The indomitable Rommel said, "I will not stand in a trial, I am no criminal". He chose to take poison but with the condition that he be buried with full military honors.

    His wish was granted and his burial was attended by Adolf Hitler himself.
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    Now my countrymen, decide whether Pak Army generals can ever match these honorable men.

    No they can't, not even if they die and live again a 1000 times.

    If such great generals did not stage a coup against their political leadership, then what right do these shameless generals have to usurp power again and again.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2012 8:33 #
  28. InsaafIK

    ^^^The answer lies in the corrupt leadership that these same generals create and the sheep start supporting them and eventually even call them "anti-establishment".

    Military can only be controlled through moral authority of the leadership and if the public is with the leadership.

    We have had recent examples of Turkey and Egypt. Powerful militaries were put in their constitutional boundaries by a leadership which had roots in the public and which had support of the same.

    We need to know that the yesterday's stooges and touts of agencies DO NOT become "anti-establishment" heroes just because they were kicked out of the "establishment kingdom" by their masters and they were left complaining against their old political fathers. In fact, they would actually want to be in bed with them again.

    So Pakistanis need to reject those leaderships that were brought into politics by military establishment to clean the black spots left by them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2012 9:53 #
  29. Anwer Kamal

    At present Big parties have learned a lot but smaller groups are still looking to GHQ to gain some thing .

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Nov 2012 20:16 #
  30. InsaafIK

    ^^^Those "big parties" were made big by agencies, so their learning is of little value. The d0g is now barking up its master - would that change anything?

    We need a new beginning, a new paradigm shift. We have to reject the old rotten political parties that are part of this mess.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Nov 2012 21:16 #
  31. Anwer Kamal

    http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=77088
    Another event
    A half killo explosive found fixed under car of Hamid Meer with device
    No need of comments if you have viewed Hamid Meer talking on Tv last two months .

    Posted 1 year ago on 26 Nov 2012 8:43 #

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