Showdown begins: Sec Defense sacked, COAS and DG ISI could be sacked

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d0ct0r
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Events and decisions taken in last few hours will have far reaching consequences on Pakistani politics.

- ISPR said that PM's statement at the time when Army Chief was in China that Army chief's and DG ISI's statements in SC regarding memogate case are illegal, will have grave consequences..

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pm%E2%80%99s-allegations-may-have-%E2%80%9Cserious-ramifications%E2%80%9D-ispr.html

http://tribune.com.pk/story/319788/allegations-by-gilani-against-coas-dg-isi-very-serious-ispr/

- Sec defense sacked by PM,nirgis Sethi given additional charge of sec defense. (All signs indicate Army cheif/DG ISI might be sacked)

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pm-sacks-secretary-defence.html

- 111 brigade new commander appointed by Army.

- Army Chief calls principal staff officers meeting tomorrow at GHQ(12 Jan),corp commanders ordered to stay put in their respective corps.

- PM Gillani to address the nation shortly

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SC gives last chance to govt for implementation of NRO verdict

A five-member bench of the Supreme Court on Tuesday resumed hearing into NRO implementation case. Justice Asif Saeed Khosa was heading the bench. Meanwhile, the court summoned Chairman of National Accountability Bureau (NAB) on January 10. The bench ordered investigations against former OGDCL chief Adnan Khwaja. ‘How were Adnan Khwaja and Ahmed Riaz appointed,’ Justice Asif Saeed Khan Khosa asked. The judge said that how come a matriculation pass and convicted person was appointed as MD. He said that the court was giving last chance to concerning department to implement the NRO verdict of the SC. “If court order was not implement, the court will not issue any order instead it will take action,” he ruled.

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/national/03-Jan-2012/sc-gives-last-chance-to-govt-for-implementation-of-nro-verdict

http://tribune.com.pk/story/315920/supreme-court-sets-deadline-for-nro-verdict-implementation/

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_asif-ali-zardari-faces-more-trouble-as-sc-fumes-over-graft-amnesty_1633019

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Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:20 #
d0ct0r
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According to swiss law if Zardari's swiss cases are not reopened by March 2012 then those cases would lapse can't be reopened,SC too knows that and would try to get the letter written at any cost. Zardari on the other hand would try to drag this issue beyond March 2012.

Expect massive fireworks from next week onwards..

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:28 #
bsobaid
Member

Swiss juedges have already said that presidents have immunity. I dont know what CJ is trying to prove.

Kash CJ french submaries case bhi kholay aur jurnails kee loot sale aur jurnails kay karaey gaey suicide attacks kee bhi investigation karay.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:41 #
bsobaid
Member

but I do hope corruption money is brought back from Swiss banks and else where.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:45 #
d0ct0r
Member

President have immunity but he won't remain president forever,those corruption cases would lapse if not reopened by March2012.

Zardari was involved in that Agosta submarine kickback scam

Pakistan's Zardari 'took $70 million' in bribes from French subs sale scam

http://www.mediapart.fr/en-natif/journal/international/310511/pakistans-zardari-took-70-million-bribes-french-subs-sale-scam

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:55 #
bsobaid
Member

@do9ctor,
meri iss scandal pay gehri nazar hai....

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/officials-claim-seizing-agosta-deal-report-against-zardari#post-203343

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:59 #
bsobaid
Member

Here you go...

French submarine scandal aur establishment kay kalay kartoot

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mother-of-scandals

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 20:01 #
d0ct0r
Member

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/the-french-connection-connection-zardari-sarkozy-bribery-scandal

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 20:04 #
d0ct0r
Member

Mansoorul Haq offered to give back his chunk of $3.4 million but Zardari is reluctant to give back his share of $70 million kickback ..

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/the-french-connection-connection-zardari-sarkozy-bribery-scandal#post-154424

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 20:07 #
d0ct0r
Member

Zardari's sidekick disposing swiss case documents & evidences

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 20:45 #
d0ct0r
Member

Babar Awan receives second show cause notice in two days

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=30022&title=SC-issues-second-show-cause-to-Awan

http://www.newspakistan.pk/2012/01/05/Babar-Awan-receives-second-show-cause-notice-in-two-days/

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 14:23 #
d0ct0r
Member

PPP's core committee decides not to write letter for reopening of swiss cases as directed by SC

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316983/ppp-to-not-respond-to-court-in-swiss-case/

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 14:25 #
siddiqi73
Member

Enough with these notices and time for action. Even if these pea brained degenerates get convicted for contempt, Zardari will grant them presidential pardon.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 14:25 #
d0ct0r
Member

Court has asked him to submit reply before January 9 asking him why his license shouldn't be canceled.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 14:28 #
d0ct0r
Member

Things are heating up,clearly govt's days are numbered..

SC serves contempt notices on 5 PPP leaders

* Leaders receive notices for their ‘anti-judiciary’ remarks

Supreme Court (SC) of Pakistan has issued the contempt of court notices to former Federal Minister Babar Awan, Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan, Minister for Religious Affairs Syed Khursheed Shah, Advisor to Prime Minister Farooq Awan and former Information Minister Kamar Zaman Kaira over contemptuous press conference against SC interim order in memogate case on December 01, in which they criticized on the Commission constituted for probe into memogate issue. They also criticized to a learned Judge of the apex court.

http://www.sananews.net/english/2012/01/sc-issues-contempt-notices-to-ppp-leaders/

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201215\story_5-1-2012_pg1_3

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 15:05 #
runaway
Member

SC cannot convict Zardari.

Anyone else convicted by SC, will get pardon by SC.

So all in all, nothing will change.

Kiyani/SC thought pressure will get to Zardari and he will leave. However, hr is till sitting in President's House with a comfortable majority in Parliament. So its really complicated.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 16:11 #
msyedh
Member

If supreme court does not respect constitution, Parliament and President, then nobody going to respect them.

It does not matter, aisi kai dealines aur rounds aatay jaatay raian gay.

Yeh Chief justice ultimate power kee desire aur ego ke nashay mein masat ha. es ne politically motivated judicial activism ke zaria, Pakistan ke democratic system ko phechaly 4 saal se Yargmaal bana rakha ha. Political system is ineffective and Peoples are suffering, because of this targeted judicial activism.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 19:27 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@msyedh.....i noticed that when you have no sane arguments left and hence need to lie big you resort to writing in Urdu.......loll

Pretty soon you and other PPP stalwarts will be rudely awoken from their deep slumber.....the days are numbered, only you folks can't see it which is quite obvious to rest of the world!!!

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 21:13 #
bsobaid
Member

Current supreme court is the biggest curse in pak,s history.

Posted 4 months ago on 06 Jan 2012 3:33 #
sipahi
Member

@bsobaid

"Current supreme court is the biggest curse in pak,s history."

Can you elaborate?

Posted 4 months ago on 07 Jan 2012 7:51 #
ali-pk
Member

@msyedh
you have spoken like a true sincere but empty headed Jiyala -

these typical arguments sounds more like a broken record--- nobody stopped this trash gov of PPP to deliver. What the economic crisis has got to do with judiciary, gas shortage- load shedding- destruction of institutions - corruption????? now don't repeat things like parrot and tell us who stopped this trash gov to deliver??

Posted 4 months ago on 07 Jan 2012 8:02 #
ali-pk
Member

@bsobaid

do you remember Bhutto saying yey kursi bohat mazbut hai-- what went wrong with the mazbut kursi??

Posted 4 months ago on 07 Jan 2012 8:06 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Shahji,

A government and especially a democratic government is not elected to earn respect just cause of the peoples mandate. It is supposed to earn the accolades and adulation of the people by alleviating their miseries, not compounding them. As for judicial activism and the CJ himself being an obstacle in the path of governance.....Bullocks!

Posted 4 months ago on 07 Jan 2012 8:33 #
zingaro
Member

@bsobaid

An immunity is granted to or enjoyable by a person for a specific time and after someone ceases to hold a specific position he loses the right of immunity. On the other hand there are also rules applicable to the governance of cases. It is in many countries that after the lapse of a certain period the validity of the cases shall cease to exist and no further prosecution shall be allowed. Now apply this scenario in our President's case. If Mr. Zardari has immunity then why is he worried of writing the letter? They should have written and as you quoted the Swiss Magistrate has also confirmed the presidential immunity, hence, no one shall be able to prosecute Mr. Zardari while he is a president. The real issue is that Zardari & Co. wants to delay this matter to a date when the cases shall become time barred and after that Swiss Courts shall not listen it.

That is the real story as why Zardari & Co. are not writing the letter. They know very well that no prosecution will be started, but as Mr. Zardari will complete his period of presidency, very next day he will be summoned by Swiss Courts.

Posted 4 months ago on 07 Jan 2012 9:09 #
sipahi
Member

IK said on Aaj that on Jan 14th, PTI CEC will decide on what action to take to back their words of supporting Judiciary.

Posted 4 months ago on 08 Jan 2012 7:48 #
zoabkhan
Member

SC is only thing going good in Pakistan right now.
I hope it hangs this SOB, President and his corrupt leaders. That is what the deserve.

Posted 4 months ago on 08 Jan 2012 9:26 #
d0ct0r
Member

-Zardari says he won't accept Supreme Court's memo commission's verdict and will only accept defense committee's verdict.

- Mansoor Ijaz's Lawyer says he is facing hurdles in getting visa to pakistan,will come to pakistan on 16 if his visa is processed.

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 8:40 #
d0ct0r
Member

Again govt and establishment on collision course.. PM calls Kayani and Pasha's statement to SC in memogate case illegal..

Army, ISI chief statements to SC not approved by govt: PM

Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani Monday said that any official action by a government functionary without the prior approval of the government was unconstitutional and illegal.

PM Gilani pointed out that the responses given by the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani and DG ISI Ahmed Shuja Pasha to the Supreme Court in connection to the alleged memo controversy did not contain the approval of the competent authority as required.

No summary seeking approval of a competent authority was initiated by the Ministry of Defence, nor was any approval obtained from the defence minister in this regard.

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/09/army-isi-chief-statements-to-sc-not-approved-by-govt-pm.html

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 11:47 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

d0ct0r

Isn't the legal position ???

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 12:43 #
d0ct0r
Member

Its legal but I am sure CAOS and DG ISI too must have been advised about this matter,they filed their replies through Attorney General,had their been something illegal about their replies it would have been challenged by govt in SC and/or CJ and SC could have pointed it out to them and asked them to file their replies again..

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 13:31 #
d0ct0r
Member

-Hussain Haqqani says I won't surrender and waive off my rights with regard to blackberry data (that would make it easier for Blackberry company to comply with Commission's order of providing them with certified copies of data present on their backup servers pertaining to both Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz's communications.

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 13:46 #
zingaro
Member

لو جی 10 جنوری بھی آ گئی

پنجابی میں کہتے ہیں ”ایہہ گھوڑا تے ایہہ گھوڑے دا میدان”۔

پردہ اُٹھنے کی منتظر ہے نگاہ۔

Posted 4 months ago on 09 Jan 2012 14:27 #
d0ct0r
Member

SC considers 6 options,CJ calls for full bench hearing on 16th Jan.

PM,Sec Law and President might face the music.

SC have made an observation that PM Gillani isn't an honest person and have violated his oath and could be disqualified for 10 years and could loose his NA seat.

6 options:

Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 9:39 #
zingaro
Member

اب دیکھنا یہ ہے کہ پیپلز پارٹی مزید کیا غلطی کرتی ہے ۔ غلطیاں بانجھ نہیں ہوا کرتیں بلکہ بچے جنتی جاتی ہیں اور پیپلز پارٹی کی کوکھ تو غلطیوں بارے ویسے ہی زرخیز ہے۔

Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 16:12 #
d0ct0r
Member

@admin/moderator

Kindly update the first post and change title to "Showdown begins.. Sec Defense sacked,new 111birgade commander appointed.16 Jan D day? Army Chief and DG ISI could be sacked"

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:05 #
d0ct0r
Member

Events and decisions taken in last few hours will have far reaching consequences on Pakistani politics.

- ISPR said that PM's statement at the time when Army Chief was in China that Army chief's and DG ISI's statements in SC regarding memogate case are illegal, will have grave consequences..

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pm%E2%80%99s-allegations-may-have-%E2%80%9Cserious-ramifications%E2%80%9D-ispr.html

http://tribune.com.pk/story/319788/allegations-by-gilani-against-coas-dg-isi-very-serious-ispr/

- Sec defense sacked by PM,nirgis Sethi given additional charge of sec defense. (All signs indicate Army cheif/DG ISI might be sacked)

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/11/pm-sacks-secretary-defence.html

- 111 brigade new commander appointed by Army.

- Army Chief calls principal staff officers meeting tomorrow at GHQ(12 Jan),corp commanders ordered to stay put in their respective corps.

- PM Gillani to address the nation shortly

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:07 #
aftab arif
Member

Roedad Khan is absolutely right, just more time wasting by SC. The time is for punishment not finding a middle ground. In the end how many people can Zardari Pardon, because it's only a matter of time that this privilege is taken away from the President, or at the very least a case is made that it be taken away from the President too Pardon anyone.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:26 #
d0ct0r
Member

- US and UK embassies give statement that we want democracy to continue in Pakistan

- Army Chief's meeting with senior officers currently underway..

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:35 #
sweettruth
Member

@doctor

Is democracy dead again in Pakistan?
Do we deserve democracy?
Are we ready for democracy?
Do majority of public understand what democracy is?
Do majority of public care what democracy is?
Does democracy solve public problems?
What is the future of democracy in our country?

What a country we live in where army establishment can sack everyone including PM, President and Parliaments.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:50 #
siddiqi73
Member

Good on YRG to finally show some guts. Next stop, sack Kiyani and Pasha.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:54 #
aftab arif
Member

live transmission with Talat

http://www.dawn.com/dntv-live/index.html

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:55 #
d0ct0r
Member

Next few hours are quite critical. SC should take sue moto notice and restore some sanity. Govt have hammered final nail in their coffin. SC should not wait for 16 jan and should take up the matter now!.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:56 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Doc,

SC blew it yesterday and gave the chance to the government to come back with a vengeance. Take a suo moto notice at what? Sacking of a bureaucrat? This is exactly what this government is looking for, to become martyrs.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 12:59 #
d0ct0r
Member

Anything short of Zardari and/or Gillani's resignation won't bring down the temperature and democracy would be the only looser..

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:00 #
aftab arif
Member

YRG should never be in this predicament. Contract extensions to COAS and DG ISI should not have happened but that's what you get when the COAS is one off the guarantors of the deal signed in Dubai.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:02 #
zingaro
Member

Siddiq73. Bhai ji Taza tareen soorathaal pay mian sahib ka stand aap bataaein gey ya main apnay sources say pata karvaaon ????

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:03 #
d0ct0r
Member

siddiqi73

SC just showed restrain,had they given a verdict yesterday PPP would have whined and tried to portray itself as martyrs . SC had planned D day on 16th. Full bench hearing of NRO case,memogate case,mansoor Ijaz's testimony all of them were lined up for 16th..

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:03 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Zingaro Bhai,

NS tu YRG ko hee support karay ga.....ab waqt aaya hai in Tsunami aur Change kay unthoon ko pahar kay neechay lanay ka.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:05 #
EasyGo
Member

Resignations by Govt won't seem strengthening democracy under these circumstances.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:08 #
d0ct0r
Member

Firdous Ashiq in a press con after cabinet meeting today said that govt will consider one of the six options that SC had laid out yesterday.( Maybe govt thinks that by announcing early election date things will cool down. But anything short of resignation of Zardari and Gillani won't solve the problem..

Definately resignations won't be a good sign for democracy and will show its weakness but blunders and illegal actions committed by PM and Presidents are even more disastrous for democracy,they themselves have become suicidal.

Posted 4 months ago on 11 Jan 2012 13:09 #