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Beenai
Moderator

everything happening in a particular sequence.
one by one, Tunisia then Egypt then Bahrian and now in Libya.
can we call it just a co incidence?
just a chain effect?
see,what Cubian President has to say about Libya.

http://ejang.jang.com.pk/2-24-2011/Karachi/pic.asp?picname=14_11.gif

if its not America behind all these revolutionary movements for the oil and gold reserves to be in its own custody then whoelse is there?

why all of a sudden these age old rulers has been challenged by their respective public and army?
since i have born ,i have seen Ghaddafi in Libya and Husni Mubarak in Egypt.

why not kingdom of UK has been challenged?
as Queen is ruling the country for ages.

why only Muslim world?

any thoughts?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 4:53 #
toamin
member

Well, it is insulting to give all the credit to america on it, true that west tried to 'ride the wave' and control the change, but people came out on streets for the first time, they have learned this power, may be got fooled this time because power is still where it was before, but there can be second time also where people can come out and it would be difficult to fool them again-

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 5:19 #
Beenai
Moderator

@salam,
if you have to prove the theory wrong.
you have to answer three simple question,stated above in my post.
thanks
Beenai

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 5:29 #
toamin
member

why all of a sudden these age old rulers has been challenged by their respective public and army?

Tunisia's ruler, a french puppet was surprised along with the west on public coming out to the streets, military officers refused to kill their own civilians, hence west came in to bring new face while keeping the power where it belonged i.e. bin ali establishment.

Had army officers complied with bin ali orders, we would see his rule continued with western backing intact-

It was a sudden reaction and all were taken by surprise!

From there on neighbors became very cautious, in Egypt people started to come out, junior officers refused to crush their people hence a stand off developed where top generals were with mubarak while juniors with the people, so mubarak was asked to go, he was replaced with even worst terrorist Omer Sulaiman the torturer.

By the time it reached to libya, they were mentally prepared to just wipe out the protests, why is there no UN army coming to neutralize qazzafi's massacre? This means West wants to see bloodshed there and prefer to have qazafi to rule than a public figure.

So yes, west is playing their role, but people have shown real BRAVERY on the streets as well, they are sacrificing their LIVES which must be respected-

why not kingdom of UK has been challenged?
as Queen is ruling the country for ages.

why only Muslim world?

Queen is only symbolic, she is not dictating her people through draconian emergency laws while arab puppets are installed by the West and are using brutal tactics to oppress their people-

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 5:40 #
dell
Blocked

Beenai,

You might need to do a bit more research on this topic.

Why age old dictators are challenged?

You just posted the answer in your post, because we have been seeing them as rulers since we were born. Yes, to us they harmless as they are not the rulers of Pakistan but imagine if we had Zia or Bhutto still ruling wouldn't you think it's about time for a change?

Overwhelming number of Muslim population consists of younger age group who are getting educated and realizing what's happening to them, that's all it's simple.

Don't buy in to conspiracies and other mumbo jumbo. Castro is an oldie who has completely lost it now, just go to Cuba you will see the reality!!

BTW Libya already opened up to the west, as long as Qaddafi was there, west had access to easy oil because Qaddaffi was a dictator and that's all they had to deal with in order to secure their interests. Qaddaffi sold out a long time ago, oh and remember what he did to AQ Khan.

Your comment about Elizabeth Windsor's kingdom is hilarious, I don't think you know much about it. She and her kingdom is as useless and powerless as a t.i.t on a bull.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 5:42 #
sweettruth
Member

Good tiopic raised by Beenai. Lots of muslim countries are being ruled by dictators for too long and in this Internet/Facebook age it is hard to fool public anymore. Democratically strong countries like UK will not see such protests as they have freedom and human rights working well in their country. Muslim countries lack freedom, human rights and accountability that is why now public has decided to go on the streets to vent their anger against dictators.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 5:50 #
Beenai
Moderator

yes,i know less;but wanna know more.
please help me out.
why only Muslim world?
why not any other country of the world?
are there only Muslim dictators?

no2. If US is against dictators.why its being supporting Zia and Mush regimes through out their tenure in Pakistan?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:13 #
toamin
member

hmm.. i think already tried to explain No.2

US is not against dictators, they are in love with dictators

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:20 #
Beenai
Moderator

that means .
US does not hate dictators.

it hates particular dictator,for particular time for a particular purpose.

right?

then why it was Ok with Egypt and Libya by now?
and why sudden chain of revolution has appeared in a very staged,organized and well thought plan outcome?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:33 #
sasherwani
Members

Beenai here is my analysis:

1. The number "1" numero UNO cause of the success of these revolutions is 'The Internet'. Egyptians, Libyans, Bahrainis, Tunisians and Sudanese have hated their leader/leaders for ages but these nations never found a 'platform' to consolidate their anger and protest. Scattered protests yield no results but online platforms like Twitter & Facebook consolidated these people's anger. An Egyptian working in Dubai, UAE starts a group against Hosni and before long, thousands join the group and discuss their anger on the discussion forums. Next they build a strategy to kick out the dictator and decide mutually that 'peaceful' protests would be the key as that is how the Tunisians did it. Rest is history!

2. The West isn't ruled by dictators. Your example of 'The Queen' being the ruler of all British colonies (from England to NZ) needs further clarifications. The Queen doesnt make the decisions in these countries. Her powers are limited by constitutional constraints. For example, John Key the Prime Minister of New Zealand got elected in 2008 under free and fair elections. He makes all important decisions from approving fiscal budgets, tax reforms to geopolitical strategies. Queen Elizabeth II remains more like a puppet that smiles around keeping the British royal tradition alive!

3. Yes we have all seen dictators like Ghaddafi and Hosni ever since we were born. Some among us might have even seen our parents support these dictators. These dictators stood up against the US in the 70s and 80s and supported Pakistan's nuclear program. That is why Lahore Stadium was renamed to Ghaddafi Stadium to pay tribute for the support that poured in from Libya to support our weapon's technology. The new generation, however, is more aware. Its much more informed because of news available from so many forms of media..tv, radio, RSS feeds, Internet, social networking sites, newspapers, journals, blogs, tweets to name a few. They know much more than their parents did about these scoundral dictators and the new generations wants these punks oUt!

These were some of my thoughts..

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:38 #
Beenai
Moderator

why it happened all of a sudden?
one fine day,they all wake up and start chanting against their respective dictators.with whom they were living with for ages.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:49 #
dell
Blocked

Beenai did you forget the biggest trigger of these revolutions?

Does the name Bouazizi ring a bell?

A man in Tunisia set himself on fire!! That's wha triggered this wole thing through internet and people came out on the streets. Similar incidents happened all over Egypt!

No one has any right to take this away from those people who sacrificed and struggled so much for this change. No there was no conspiracy, in fact Americans and West were trying behind closed doors to keep the status quo intact. Even now as these tyrants are gone, US is constantly pressuring their governments to make sure his interests are not affected!!

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 6:58 #
Beenai
Moderator

i hope,the reality would be what,we believe.
but there are always flip sides of the stories.
no2.these countries are blessed with Oil. a weakness of US.
u know,how he is in loved with Oil?

2.where we can fit cubian leader statement now?
see,what Cubian President has to say about Libya.

http://ejang.jang.com.pk/2-24-2011/Karachi/pic.asp?picname=14_11.gif

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:03 #
nota
Member

@Beenai
"why it happened all of a sudden?"
Excellent question. "A man in Tunisia set himself on fire!" certainly doesn't cut it (it happens here every day....but nothing!)

Here's a hint. And another ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:03 #
Beenai
Moderator

i dont believe in conspiracy theories.
i wanna be positive and sound positive .

but i don't know,why i find all this fishy and artificial and engineered for some reason.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:10 #
dell
Blocked

why would US over throw dictators who were their puppets and also had an iron grip on their countries.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:12 #
dell
Blocked

Tunisia is sort of irrelevant, it has no oil, not much of an importance in global geopolitics.

But in Egypt it's half a revolution, it's not complete yet. As military just took over and promised to hold elections like "Mard e Haq" did in Pakistan. Their military is US lapdog and the true revolution is yet to happen.
aik aur darya ka samna tha munir mujh ko
jo aik darya kay paar utra to maiN nay daekha

Nevertheless, journey of a thousand mile starts with a first step!!

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:21 #
Beenai
Moderator

simply,because they want new puppets.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:22 #
nota
Member

@beenai
"i dont believe in conspiracy theories."
What conspiracy theory? These are undeniable facts. Are you suggesting ElBradei does not work for George Soros? Facts speak otherwise. Are you suggesting "Google marketing executive Wael Ghonim created ElBaradei’s official campaign website...and ran ElBaradei’s November 2010 Egyptian election campaign" is a conspiracy theory? Facts speak otherwise. Are you suggesting it is a CT that Movement.org is sponsored by Google, Facebook, AT&T, MTV, Nowcast and Gen-Next, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. State Department, National Security, Council for Foreign Relations, Fortune Magazine, Hoover Institution, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC? Their own website says otherwise. You think "Libyan opposition literally running protests from Washington" too is a conspiracy theory? Facts prove otherwise. Is it a CT that "Movements.org are getting their reports entirely from Sahad's NCLO in Washington"? Facts say otherwise.

I think what you are looking for is a confessional "wikileak" sort of way that spells it out in plain language. That is not going to come and is plain silly to expect ;-)

BTW: You think Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin too is a conspiracy nut?
Russia blames Google for stirring Egypt unrest-WSJ

Related:
'US usurping Middle East uprisings'

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:30 #
sasherwani
Members

I dont advocate consipiracy theories especially when they have no link to common sense.

US was extremely happy with Ben Ali, Ghaddafi and Hosni. That is why they remained in power for decades. Now US has no idea who the next leader would be and whether the new leaders will support US/Israel or not. Keep in mind Egypt is very close geographically to Israel! US is currently in a very bad position!

These countries are NOT the main oil providers. Libya provides roughly 1-2% of the oil. If it was the oil countries US wanted to capture, it would targeted Saudi, Kuwait, UAE etc

As for why 'all of a sudden'. This is how revolutions begin - all of a sudden. It can because be a man sets himself on fire due to poverty and injustice! It can be a much smaller event like a black woman not being allowed a place in the front row of the bus (Read African American Modern History that lead to Obama being the president of the US today).

Beenai, this is perhaps the first revolution we all have witnessed and we fail to believe that is is real. We fail to believe that muslims can actually be united on a single agenda. We fail to believe that a citizen of a country actually has so much power that he can actually overturn an entire era of dictatorship. We are just too used to failures. But this change is real and it is in your face. Speak with any Egyptian or Libyan (I have plenty at work here). They'd tell you about their history and their anger.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:31 #
Beenai
Moderator

nota,
if u follow my posts,in this particular thread.
i have been saying,what u r trying to say.
i was just trying to say.that these are not conspiracy theories.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:33 #
Beenai
Moderator

@sasherwani,
u wanna say,its 'too good to be true 'situation?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:34 #
sweettruth
Member

Any popular movement in Arab countries is a dangerous for US foreign policy as majority of people in any Arab country are against US policies. Street protests throughout Middle East are mostly for economic/social reasons and people are sick and tired of same old rulers who have been ruling them for over 30 years. True democracy is still a long way for these Arab countries but getting rid of old rulers is a right step. One day, Pakistan may face such public revolt and public will go on street against current political elite.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:38 #
toamin
member

Not as simple and black/white-

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:38 #
sasherwani
Members

@ Beenai,

Well i guess you are not following my point even though I have said it in a very blunt manner.

This revolution is very real.

But Pakistan is the global "hub" of conspiracy theory lovers/starters. I wouldnt be surprised if you want to believe them. Plus Pakistanis love blaming everything on "Amreeka" :) So join that bandwagon if you desire.

My recent visits to Egypt and Bahrain and my interaction with their blue/white collar crowd has only strengthened my belief that this revolution is very real and the media has done an amazing job in covering this revolution.

Pakistanis can believe otherwise ;)

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:39 #
nota
Member

"they have no link to common sense"
But who said we are talking "common sense"? Are Neocons thinking like you and me? Does Zbigniew think like you and me? Have you forgotten PNAC and Bush's "regime-change-in-60-countries"? Was James Warburg talking common sense when in 1950 he told the US Senate "'We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent"? Was The EU Council President, Herman Van Rompuy, only 59 years later on November 19, 2009, talking common sense when he admitted "2009 is also the first year of Global Governance with the establishment of the G-20 in the middle of financial crisis"? Was Richard N. Gardner of CFR talking common sense when he told us:

"'In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up, rather than from the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

Ans was Willian James talking common sense when he declared in 2004:

'We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'

Somehow I don't think so ;-)

'Those who believe that major world events result from planning are laughed at for believing in the "conspiracy theory of history." Of course, no one in this modern day and age really believes in the conspiracy theory of history -except those who have taken the time to study the subject. When you think about it, there are really only two theories of history. Either things happen by accident neither planned nor caused by anybody, or they happen because they are planned and somebody causes them to happen. In reality, it is the "accidental theory of history" preached in the unhallowed Halls of Ivy which should be ridiculed. Otherwise, why does every recent administration make the same mistakes as the previous ones? Why do they repeat the errors of the past which produce inflation, depressions and war? Why does our State Department "stumble" from one Communist-aiding "blunder" to another? If you believe it is all an accident or the result of mysterious and unexplainable tides of history, you will be regarded as an "intellectual" who understands that we live in a complex world. If you believe that something like 32,496 consecutive coincidences over the past forty years stretches the law of averages a bit, you are a kook!' (Gary Allen, None Dare Call it Conspiracy, 1971, Chapter 1)

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:51 #
sasherwani
Members

Gary Allen died a couple of decades ago when no online media or social networking sites existed. This is 2011 and things are very different now. You are not forced to watch news on the only channel you get on your tv. You watch news using the media that you trust among hundreds of channels/internet/facebook/twitter/blogs. You dont get edited videos on tv. You will find unedited raw versions on youtube.

Stop following dead and outdated journalists. This era is a whole new ball game!

P.S. 1971 are you kidding me seriously?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 7:58 #
nota
Member

@sas
"Stop following dead and outdated journalists. This era is a whole new ball game!"
Willian James is not dead. Richard Perle is not dead. Zbigniew, Soros, Richard N. Gardner, Herman Van Rompuy are anything but dead. CFR and RAND are not engaged in a purely intellectual exercise. But go ahead, keep drinking the Kool-Aid ;-)

P.S. The game is very much the same. Last I checked, Zbigniew Brzezinski is still Current US Prez Obama's foreign policy adviser...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuf8FZJA6xA

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 8:21 #
sasherwani
Members

If Kool-aid gets me closer to reality instead of following absurd conspiracy theories, then it is my favorite drink ;)

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 8:33 #
Beenai
Moderator

i dont know,somehow this chain of revolution has something fishy.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:09 #
haider3
member

I am usually branded as one of the CTs on this blog. And I am certainly one of them, not denying it and wish to add as well that we are usually proved to be right in the end.

This time, however, I'm on the other side, i.e. I believe these revolutions are genuine ones as opposed to the CIA colour revolutions which have practically all unravelled since.

Now, my take on this is: these present revolutions began on a small scale in the West. When history is finally written, we'll credit Greece maybe for being the forerunner in all this. Greece was followed by outbreaks of protest in France, UK, Iceland, Ireland, etc. All this, still small scale. From there, it suddenly jumped to Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain and Libya, etc. Now, if you look at things a bit more closely, you'll see it's back in Greece as we knew all along it would return and the people on the streets there have begun saying: Tunisia could do it, Egypt could do it, why can't we? Indeed, why can't you? This is an attempt to answer Beenai's question: Why only the Muslim countries? No, it isn't only the Muslim countries involved, Beenai, I don't think.

Another point Beenai raised: Why wasn't the Queen challenged in UK? The Queen wasn't true enough. He who was was Crown Prince Charles. At the last student demo in London, his car was stopped and demonstrators screamed imprecations at the Prince, shocking the whole of that fake "law-abiding" homeland of colonialism. They are greater cowards than the Muslims are. Otherwise they'd have collared the chap, Prince or no Prince, and given him a good shaking to at least.

Why I say this is not "engineered" is simply because of Egypt. Did anyone see the Al-Quds video Salam posted elsewhere. You have all read that for the first time in 32 years Iranian warships passed through the Suez Canal. The Rifah crossing is now open five hours a day into Egypt. And the Egyptians have said they stand side by side with their brothers in Palestine. If all this is genuine stuff, there is no way this could be a Pearl or Wolfowitz effort.

And why now? Because the time has come simply, Beenai. With all due respect to our Fidel Castro, one of the Greats of the 20th century, I don't think his analysis of the situation is right this time. And why have we in Pakistan got a RD case on our hands out of the blue, a heroic city of Lahore and a Foreign Minister unexpectedly willing to sacrifice his powerful portfolio all at the same time? Again, Beenai, because the time for change is ripe.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:32 #
toamin
member

Yes, wind of change it is

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:40 #
nota
Member

@sas
Of course....I don't expect a property dealer to understand such things. ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:50 #
toamin
member

اچھے بھلے منشی جی کو پراپرٹی ڈیلر بنا دیا؟

منشی گیری ایک پرانا پیشہ ہے

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:54 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Mirza Ghalib,
if its genuine,what else can be good than this?
but i still doubt. don't know why?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 9:57 #
haider3
member

Friends, yeh Allah ka raz hai, is all I can say. Perhaps He's simply fed up with all the nonsense we've been upto throughout the 20th century. But Beenai, keep to your doubts until something happens one way or the other to settle your mind.

About Egypt, here's an article which gladdened my heart and, once again I highly recommend the short Salam video on the Arab Turmoil video of Egyptians chanting their Al-Quds slogan.

Breaking the siege of Gaza is high priority of Egypt's young revolutionaries

Young participants in the 25th January Egyptian revolution have told the Palestine Information Centre that Egypt has been freed from a tyrannical regime and breaking the siege of Gaza is high on their list of priorities. Ousting Hosni Mubarak was difficult, they said, but it was just the beginning of the revolution, not the end. In Tahrir Square, they added, all sections of Egyptian society were united, including Muslims and Christians; leftists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ahmed Bahaauddin Shaaban, one of the founders of the Egyptian Movement for Change (Kifaya), told the PIC, “We took part in a real battle pitting the Egyptian people against the corrupt regime, which was heavily entrenched. However, the Egyptian people were able to uproot it.” The people of Egypt have taken one step on a long road, said Shaaban, by overthrowing a dictator and his oppressive regime. “However, we still have a lot to do. We have a programme for democracy, social reform, and the creation of a modern, developed state. We have shaken the regime, as can be seen clearly in the fall of its corrupt symbols.”

Mr. Shaaban warned that the struggle will be long. “The fall of an oppressive dictator like Mubarak affects the entire regime structure but we will be able to deal with its remnants,” he said. “In the past few days we have defeated the most oppressive forces in the country – the Central Security Force and the State Security Force – which have vanished into thin air.” So, he added, has the former ruling party, the National Democratic Party, which had three million members.

Arab issues are at the top of the revolution’s priorities, stressed Shaaban, and the people of the Gaza Strip are delighted by its success because they also suffered at the hands of Mubarak’s regime. “The people of Gaza will feel the effects of the revolution because the siege of Gaza will end and the kinship between the people of Egypt and Palestine will be restored.”

Read more:

http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/243186

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 10:14 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Mirza Ghalib,
thanks for respecting my doubts.
rather condemning them out rightly.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 10:29 #
nota
Member

@MG
"Breaking the siege of Gaza is high priority of Egypt's young revolutionaries"
That would be a good litmus test. BTW: The Gaza border was supposed to open last Tuesday. Any news on that yet?
P.S. If all things do go as planned, I hardly see this as such a positive sign:

An average of 300 Palestinians would be allowed to leave Gaza via Rafah everyday, the official added.

Now that's hardly "opening the border"...

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 10:37 #
haider3
member

nota, I quite agree with you. It's hardly earthshaking. But look how Egyptians proceeded. Not a word of any kind about external matters during their three weeks in Tahriq Square. And then suddenly all this. I'm inclined to trust them and give them all the time they need to strengthen their hand. Benefit of the doubt is all I'm asking for.

Beenai, is quite right. Doubt is a very necessary part of the human approach to any given problem and political ones in particular. But doubt just about might sometimes obscure the larger picture. In this case, I believe it is no less than the resurgence of the entire Muslim world.

And nota, yes. There's a man out there, they sometimes call him the most powerful man in the world. About him I still haven't quite made up my mind: with us or against us? What do you say?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 11:05 #
Beenai
Moderator

another question:
how this revolution will effect Palestine independence cause?

positively or negatively?

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 12:49 #
haider3
member

My vote on this, Beenai, positively. Under the former regime, only negative attitudes were ever shown towards the Palestinian cause. The voice of the Arab street was never given any importance.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 15:04 #
NNL
member

And nota, yes. There's a man out there, they sometimes call him the most powerful man in the world. About him I still haven't quite made up my mind: with us or against us? What do you say?

MG please do elaborate to whom are you referring to.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 19:23 #
haider3
member

NNL, are you seriously saying you didn't understand whom I meant? I can't imagine it. And I mentioned him only in the context of who was engineering what and how.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Feb 2011 19:31 #
toamin
member

Egypt!
Former regime = Mubarak

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 4:14 #
kulla
Member

The Queen has no role in politics anymore, she is only as a symbol. The Queen does not asks her army to killer her own ppl and does not do anything for that matter lol...

there is a govt in UK. Pls do not take everyword ppl say against the west...its just stupid. Can anyone justify Qaddafi bombing his own ppl, even a mosque? ...

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 4:24 #
kulla
Member

btw. it wasnt in the WEST interest to create destability in middleeast specially in oil producing countries... OIL is soaring high...worst thing that can happen to the west is the removal of all these dictators

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 4:25 #
Beenai
Moderator

then why all of a sudden?
why after 30s and 40s years of suppression,they all stood up at once,at the same time?

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 4:57 #
semirza
Moderator

Credit goes to internet! A very effective tool to drum up revolutions (fake or genuine).

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 5:02 #
kulla
Member

Dear @Beenai, @Shaher...and @dell have given you the most realistic reasons... the people protesting, getting hurt, protesting are not fake people. They are the ppl. Do an analysis yourself without listening to conspiricy theories from the worst of teh dictators themselves.

The US and the WEST did not start this revolution, they were very cautious in teh start, but when they saw that it wasnt gonna stop, they did not want to be on the wrong side in the history books. Tomrrow when a new govt comes, has to be friendly with the US and the WEST, thats why they are supporting, and that too with carefully selected words. Infact, initially the US was cautious with egypt because of Muslim Brotherhood.

My last comment is that do not mistake the power of the people with conspiricy theories. The demonstrations and the revolutionary game is not fake, its real. Real bullets, real ppl getting killed, and real needs. All the reasons why now has been discussed already in this thread. Maybe for ppl who are pesimistic need to wait and see.

Posted 1 year ago on 25 Feb 2011 14:35 #
nota
Member

@kulla
"the people protesting, getting hurt, protesting are not fake people."

No one is claiming they are "fake people" or that they have no reason to protest. This is missing the point I made entirely.

"the people protesting, getting hurt, protesting are not fake people."
Jeez, thanks for stating the obvious. What would we have done without such brilliant analysis!!

Last time I am sure you had your pom-poms out for the color revolutions too. There too "the people protesting, getting hurt, protesting are not fake people."

Some folks never learn!

BTW: I will give some more CTs in my next post. ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 26 Feb 2011 11:29 #