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For Election 2013: PPPP+PML Q possible winning seats from Punjab

(126 posts)
  1. Sharif Aadmi

    Shirazi

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    The impossible projection is PTI's seats. That will determine who will be the next PM and CMs. PTI may emerge as dominant player but more llikely it will be slightly better than 'Zalmo Qazi aa raha hai' saga. And if that is the case PMLN should form gov both in Punjab and Center.
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    Quite agreed to your projection of PTI but if so is the case, its going to hit PML-N more badly and would be too hard for PML-N to form govt.

    I remember in 93 when this QAZI saga happened , ppp got 86 seats and pml-n 72 seats and there were 35 seats on which PML-N + PIF (QAZI) votes were more than PPP winners . Although PIF managed only 2 seats (one from dir , one from chitral and on from khi due to mqm bycott)

    So , if PTI performs better than PIF (just assume it gets 10 seats ) but swings the balance of 20 odd seats in favour of PPP/q , it becomes altogether different ball game.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 15:12 #
  2. chaudary801

    SA bhai ...
    I agree With U ..

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 15:25 #
  3. LHR

    Height of desperation for Shaheed Bhutto and her daugher's party .....looking at an ex-cricketer and Qatil League to help damad jee stay in politics!

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 15:30 #
  4. @ SHARAZI
    @SHARIF ADMI

    All PPPP supporters i say one thing

    Remember the Election of 1997 when the swept from Punjab and they found Nothing Even they have The leader of Caliber of Benazir at that time with bhoto legacy.
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    Now There is no leader with pppp who will do jalsa's all over Pakistan on daily basis. Punjab politics at the go with the wave. it might at end pppp+pmlq may ends with 10 to 15 seats from punjab. because PPPP performance is too much low. IN Lahore if we talk about pppp galiya parti ha yar. Even jiyals first time in life in Lahore decided not to vote for pppp. My "taya" a jiyala he has decided this time not to vote. because he thinks bhutto has dead and zardari has hijacked the party.
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    .At the end it may result like 1997 for pppp in Punjab. .
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    ONE MORE THING THIS TIME ONE PARTY WILL GET CLEAR MAJORITY.NEAR ELECTION IT WILL BE ONLY TWO FIGHT ONE PARTY WILL DIMINISHED. THE PARTY WHICH WILL DEMINSH WILL HARDLY GET 10-15 SEATS. IT MAY BE ANY PARTY BUT THE COMPITATION WILL BE AMONG TWO PARTIES 3RD PARTY HAVE TO GO.THOSE WHO THING OF HUNG PARLIAMENT DOES HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA HOW MUCH NATION HAS CHANGED.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 17:50 #
  5. chaudary801

    PPP+PMLQ allience has indirectly proved beneficaal for PMLN . How ?? i wil explain U in detail
    1.PPP+PMLQ actuallly have damaged PTI a lot ... PTI's electables frm Rural Punjab have shifted to PMLQ... with these electables leaving PTI , if Genaral public in urban areas erlier was planning to vote For PTI now feeling that at maximam PTI can win frm urban areas , so why dont we vote for PMLN to stop PPP coming in to power ...
    2.... with that the losing candidate frm both sides knows k they cant contest on PPP or PMLQ , so they R joining PMLn to conetst elections ... for example Zulfiqaae Bhatti of ppp frm NA 67 who got 65K votes has joined PMLn becoz he knows k in adjustment anwar cheema wil contest on PMLQ+PPPP ticket ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 18:58 #
  6. munshi

    General reputation of PPP+PMLQ is not good due to their very bad performance in last almost 5 years, I beleive final result will be much worse than what people believe based on logical analysis on 2008 numbers. My guess a repeat of 1997 result with minor veriation based on current political trends.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Sep 2012 21:44 #
  7. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/read-this-before-posting-in-discuss

    According to above , suage of block letters is considered rude.Please edit your msg.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 0:13 #
  8. Shirazi

    @Muzzam Saab

    Within 12 hours you reduced your projection from 48 to 10-15. I thought this thread was meant for serious analysis?

    Let's not overlook the fact in 1997 GHQ was behind Nawaz Sharif, this time GHQ is supporting tsunami wave.

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 2:10 #
  9. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam Sb

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    ONE MORE THING THIS TIME ONE PARTY WILL GET CLEAR MAJORITY.NEAR ELECTION IT WILL BE ONLY TWO FIGHT ONE PARTY WILL DIMINISHED
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    Why ?

    Atleast i don't think that happening. Over the years , PML-N has a stronghold in Urban Punjab and PPP/Q has a strong base in Rural Punjab. Don't see much dents into this two party system . The only new factor is going to be PTI which may cause some dents in Urban Punjab to PML-N but even that don't seem too much after current fizzling out of tsunami.

    If u r basing your assumption on 97 , then there are few factors u must consider

    a) A total anti-ppp setup after dissolution of assemblies in NOv 96.

    b) JI bycott
    c) PML-N contested in conjunction with allies like ANP, MQM

    and then on top

    NS was preferred choice of GHQ.

    This time around , thses factors favouring PML-N would be missing :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 3:40 #
  10. Brother mark my word ANP will fight electon with the Help of PMl n against pppp and JUI F. in 2013

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 5:12 #
  11. Sharif Aadmi

    MuazzamAli

    Lets see . There is no no last word in politics.

    But at the moment , ANP is with PPP and there is no appearent reason for it to separate.

    PPP has given ANP CMShipt and there most important demand , name to province . Why it would be discontnet and join NS who cheated them onboth these ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 5:21 #
  12. Adonis

    @ Sharif Aadmi

    My mistake. I had put Muzaffargarh seats in Multan division instead of D G Khan division. Thanks for pointing it out. I see Q-PP alliance in a 'potential' winning position only in NA-177 in Muzaffargarh.

    As for 1997 elections, PML-N did not contest it in alliance with MQM and ANP. The alliance was made after elections.

    18th amendment will also ensure that the interim setup is not anti-PPP.

    As for Nawaz Sharif being GHQ's preferred choice in 1997, yes this is the difference this time as there is too much of a trust deficit between the two.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 6:18 #
  13. @ sharif aadmi

    i have said 4 months ago PML N and ANP will fight election on seat adjustment. if it does not happen atleast they will cooperate with each other in kpk after election.
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    have your read last week statments of SS and balor.
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    Further, the statment of ANP. Right now negosiations are going b/w ANP and PML N. elections are atleast 6 month way.
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    thses 6 months are very important. in thses 6 month 2 blocks will be created and a clear majority around 140 seats will win by a single party then 140+women and minority seats. single party goverment will be there with a strong opposition.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 6:22 #
  14. Sharif Aadmi

    Adonis bahi

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    As for 1997 elections, PML-N did not contest it in alliance with MQM and ANP. The alliance was made after elections
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    I think we have to come on agreement somewhere in between.

    PML_N contested elections in alliance with ANP (See ECP website --There was no PML_N candidate utpo NA-9 Karak and all were ANP Candidates) . Then , there was one seat contested by both party canidates and then no more clash upto na-21 Swat.

    ANP and PML-N were united in oppostion in 93 assemblies and fought election together.

    Yes, MQM / PML-N alliance was formed after the 97 elections.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 6:36 #
  15. agree with you sharif aadmi.
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    this planing in on the paper to do the same.
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    no official annocement of allience.
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    .butt both will do seat adjustment in such a way that they both do not harm each other and also do able to show that they are not in allience.
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    then after election if they remain succesful go for allience.
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    their allience is also natural as both parties have support in opposite areas. those area where pml n has support anp is almost nothing those area where anp has support pml n has almost zero support. so planning like 1997 is on the card in kpk. the situation of pppp and pml q is very sad in kpk. JI, JUI F , ANP , PTI and PML N will be the major runner and are active and doing major jalsa's at local level.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 7:01 #
  16. Adonis

    @ Sharif Aadmi

    I think we can agree that there was some sort of seat adjustment between PML-N and ANP in some constituencies, mainly both parties staying out on the seats where they did not have any realistic chance. PML-N did not contest in Peshawar valley where it hardly ever gets any seats while ANP never competes in Hazara and stayed out of Bannu and Kohat city as well where it was too far behind. This seat adjustment was mostly symbolic as PML-N had no vote bank in Peshawar valley and ANP had no vote bank in Hazara.

    On rest of the seats they were competing against each other. I distinctly remember that in Swabi Iftikhar Khan of PML-N was in dead heat with ANP's candidate. Same was the case in Swat.

    So even if there is no seat adjustment between the two this time, it will hardly make much difference to either as both are not able to influence the chances of other in their strongholds.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 7:05 #
  17. in 1997

    na-1 to na-7 no candidate of pml n and anp got massive votes win 5 seats and runner up in 2.
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    than na-8 and na-10, both in run. pml n and anp both in run
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    na-9,na-11,na-12,na-13 just pml n no anp and pml n won all these.
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    same pattern was also on all other seats of KPK. to conclude, both supported each other by not nominating their candidates in each other circle while in 3 to 4 constituencies they both fighted with each other to gave a message we are not in allience. and also few salogens against each other at local level to enhance this fight but not at leadership level. then after election proper pact of allience.
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    same paper work is going on again they are discussing the constituencies with each other. where they will not put each candidates and where they will fight with each other. all will be hidden and no photo shots will be there.
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    agree with you adoins.
    but now pml n wants one seat from peshawere as they have good support in na-3 and na-4, na-3 jagra and na-4 aamir muqman. i think 1 seat will to pml n and 3 seats candidate will be from anp. from swat sangala all will be from pml n while from mardan sawabi anp will get allmost all.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 7:14 #
  18. Sharif Aadmi

    MuazzamAli

    U didn't answer my earlier qeustion.

    Why ANP will leave PPP which has fullfiled all the dreams of ANP including CMship and name of the province and will joing NS who has cheated them previously ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 7:21 #
  19. LHR

    @SA
    "Why ANP will leave PPP which has fullfiled all the dreams of ANP including CMship and name of the province "

    regional parties like ANP, MQM etc are like prostitutes....whoever is in power and pays more they will join them....eg differences between PPP and MQM were not just cheating but mass murders only months before the famous May killings, but are like brothers at this very moment.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 8:33 #
  20. @sharif aadmi
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    Anp leader are very shured and intelegent they know what is right for them and what is wrong for them in a speccfic time furhter they have experience. fallowing are the major points.
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    1) in kpk PTI damged anp a lot but anp top leadership never spoke any word for PTI. believe me PTI damged ANP the most. they do not want to give value to pti . they remained salient.
    2) pppp has lost all his infrstructure in kpk. they working are in very bad position as anp was controlling the kpk no welfere is done for pppp worker in kpk except the fasil karim kundi who is deputy speaker and did a lot for his area on his own and he will be the sure winner next time too.
    3) PPPP main leaders left pppp due to ignorance of leadership,PPPP never held any subsential jalsa in kpk. while the local leadership of anp never want allience with ppp, same the pppp locals does not want allience with anp. but it was the situation who concide them.
    4) to conclude, tell me the name of pppp leaders who are in party in kpk except fasil karim kundi. pppp is almost zero in kpk while Zardari or any prominent leader never travelled to kpk and will never travell they do not consider kpk valuable for them.
    5) anp knows they have do politics of province of kpk they have only role is in kpk. the performance of pppp goverment in federal is known to every one. so anp want to win and they love to remain with winnning horses like MQM. In sawat shangala pml n is too much strong. i visited swat one month ago and spend two weeks there with my mate. swat people hate army due to operation and further a lot of love i seen for pml n there.
    6) so all in all you can see the reasons brother. KPK name given mainly due to PML N thats why PML N suffered in Hazara, ANP knows that very well. It was the pml n who scarifized for ANP.

    i am sure and well aware from the developments in kpk. PML N and Anp do the same as they did in 1997. further pml n wants some adjustment with JI.

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    PML N will remain away from JUI F pppp and pti in kpk while will do seat adjustment with ANP, PPPP sherpayo PML like minded. and also adjustment with JUI F in just Hazara division.
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    PPPP dhobiti kashti ha as ma just PML Q he travell kara gee jananab. every one is intelegent in its politics.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 8:40 #
  21. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam Bahi,

    In next elections in KPK i m seeing 3,4 forces

    a) PML-N
    b) JUI with some small parties MMA
    c) PTI with JI
    d) ANP with PPP or alone

    In my prespective , right vote would be shared among first three which and it would be best interest of ANP to keep liberal vote intact by remainining in alliance with PPP.

    Secondly , u need to read a bit of history before accussing ANP of being power hungry. Please tell me any time when ANP licked boots of generals like NS or Bhutto ?

    I don't know u were born in 88 or not but it was ANP which resigned from co-alition government after PPP failed to implement the agreement .

    And from there on , it stood with NS throughout till 98 when NS refused to accept unanimous resoulttion of KPK assembly for change of name and again resigned from ministeries when NS was at the apex of his rule.

    Can u deny this ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 10:16 #
  22. mango mam

    I agree with Sharif Admi; I have lot of issues with ANP specially as I live in Hazara but its true that ANP hardly ever supported the Generals;

    As far as KPK politics is concerned its not clear yet; Usually the turn out and the wining margin is low across kpk; so a good seat adjustments will be very important; Practically following are the possibilities

    1. JI + PTI
    2. JI + PMLN
    3. JI + JUI
    4. JUI + PMLN
    5. PMLN + ANP
    6. JUI + PPP

    Each combination has its own pros and cons; e.g. ANP + PMLN will send wrong signals to Hazara as far as PMLN is concerned;

    JI + PTI; JUI will be the beneficiary as far as religious vote bank is concerned

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 10:26 #
  23. @ sharif adami

    befor making of Pakistan, kpk is always ruled by red topi mean anp except the 1945 then kpk become the part of pakistan.

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    in pakistan anp is the party which never remain hungry expect one or two time it is a very good thing.
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    anp leaders has very good relations with pml n leadership. further they past experience is also good.
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    @ mango man
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    yes allience with anp will does not give good signal to hazara. but i am not talking about allience i am talking about philosphy of 1997 where at many seats pml n and anp did adjustment and while they do fight on few to give a message that we are fighting.
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    .Role of JI will also ber very important. i do not see pti making allience with any party.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 12:32 #
  24. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam Bahi
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    befor making of Pakistan, kpk is always ruled by red topi mean anp except the 1945 then kpk become the part of pakistan.
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    So , they won the elections in 37 and 46 so whats wrong in that ? Why u raise this point ?

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    n pakistan anp is the party which never remain hungry expect one or two time it is a very good thing
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    Please tell which one / two times u r speaking ?

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    anp leaders has very good relations with pml n leadership. further they past experience is also good.
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    ANP leaders might have good relations with PML-N but there past experience is very bad. Don't u remember who NS used them during his tough time in 93-96 opposition days and 97 judicial crisis and then rejected uninamous resoultion of kpk assembly for province name and anp resigned from coaliton

    What i m saying is that PPP has fullfilled their main demands where as NS cheated them , so why the would leave ppp ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 12:39 #
  25. aghaffar

    @Adonis
    PPP+PMLQ only effective in NA-67. Forget about NA-64 bcoz PP-28 MPA Dr. Mukhtar Bharth has joined PMLN and PP-29 already PMLN MPA. Pracha's left PMLQ and joined PTI. So no PMLQ in NA-64.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 15:05 #
  26. unbiased

    @Shirazi

    He doesnot want tsunami tide to run over his thread.

    Ahh.. You dont have to worry about that brother, ADMIN has already taken care of it - He has blocked us all out since last few weeks

    Seems Sharifs and his fidayeen dont want any interruption to thier propaganda campaign

    From 'anasyounus'

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 15:21 #
  27. aghaffar

    @khawajakhalid
    How do u realize that Tasneem Qureshi will win from NA-66. Kindly tell me about this prediction otherwise I can inform u about NA-66.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 16:35 #
  28. From na-66

    Though it will be tough competition again beween Tasneem Quraishi and Hamid Hameed but given poor performance of PPP this seat might goes to PML-N further PML N did better adjustment to consolidate on this seat. this seat will go to PML N. Hamid Hameed is a very good candidate against tasneem qureshi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2012 18:43 #
  29. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam bahi

    Still waiting for your answer

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    n pakistan anp is the party which never remain hungry expect one or two time it is a very good thing
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    Please tell which one / two times u r speaking ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 5:15 #
  30. Adonis

    @ aghaffar

    Agreed that Q league is now much depleted in NA-64. But even without Q's help, PP's Nadeem Chan still seems to have a chance to retain his seat. Not a certainty, but he is not out of competition.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 5:36 #
  31. @sharif Adami

    brother i am online now and i will PM your the answer.
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    .While today analysics which camre from peshawere i am going to share PLZ must read it...you will got the answer why soon there will be parting of ways b/w pppp and anp and their will be salient understanding b/w pml n and ANP (not allience). while MMA will be refreshed but JI will not be his party.
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    http://www.khabraingroup.com/newspaper_detail.aspx?p=p13-b
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    the title is
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    "pppp and anp ki 5 sala hukamarani ki raha juda hona wali ha sirf announce hona baqi ha"
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    I always break stories from inside. as i contact will all parties. i neither remain with any party.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 6:54 #
  32. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam Bahi,

    Why PM ? Just tell on this forum so that our fellow members also know of that :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:03 #
  33. ok brother i will tell this on fourm with documents.in 1980's they have the hunger also in 1950's they also have the hunger. but i will give you the documenty prove that is why i said to pm it.i have no issue.
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    but you have to praise me still no breaking news is fake, which have given by me.
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    i hope have you read the analysics and please dialuge with any anp member. the member will tell you how much gulf has widden b/w pppp and pml n.
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    i will soon post a video of Mera mutabiq with shohail warich. in which he will told you the history of anp and he will stress that shohail said i can bet with any one pppp and anp will not fight next election as a collation. while the greater possibility is that a silent adjustment of pml n and anp.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:19 #
  34. Sharif Aadmi

    MuazzamAli

    In 80's , ANP was part & parcel of MRD when people like NS were licking boots of Gen.Zia.

    In 88 , ANP formed coalition government with PPP in NWFP and Aftab Sherpao as CM. Since PPP refused to implement the colation agreement, ANP quit the co-alition and joined CoP .

    So , please please give me the documentary evidence u have got . Please :)

    If u want to go back to 40's and 50's , no problem , i can go back to there as well.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:25 #
  35. Who did lick the boat of generals every party. But give only chance to those who stand agaist jurnals. it was the mistake of pml n at that time. which they corrected latter.
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    brother come at the point.
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    i think you have accepted that anp and pppp is parting the ways.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:29 #
  36. these are just two days ago

    here goes the link ....

    http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=173990

    one more

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/437324/elections-2013-anp-ppp-not-to-form-alliance-in-upcoming-polls-says-bilour/

    one more

    anp making strong ties with pml n

    link here
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    http://www.zoneasia-pk.com/ZoneAsia-Pk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9117:ppp-struggles-to-maintain-anp-in-coalition&catid=34:nationalpolitics&Itemid=59

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    here goes one more contacts b/w pml n and anp.
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    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/09/19/news/national/ppp-running-from-pillar-to-post-to-keep-anp-in-coalition/

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    borther number of links are there i just put 4 of them just to enhance your knowledge that is going in kpk.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:37 #
  37. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam bahi,

    I don't have interest in ppp or anp alliance. Whether they remain together or not , its question of time.

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    Who did lick the boat of generals every party
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    So , u conceed that NS is a boot licker garbage ?

    Please tell me when AnP ?

    But , u have distorted history and alleged anp of being power hungry, plz give the examples u have got :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 7:50 #
  38. @ yes every one even the AQ khan from bhutto to bb from Nawaz to imran from Qazi huddain ahmmad to aftab sheer payo.
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    the most important thing is that who has learn from history. i have given you the one or two time when i felt they was hungry.
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    nice way to circle the issue that "i have no interest in pppp and anp collation"... thanks for make me laugh, i am sure my link have proved my point which earlier you are arguing that anp cant leave pppp. every thing is possible in politics buddy. nice way to circle the talk i have no interest.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:00 #
  39. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam sahib

    Don't run from here.

    Talk of ANP.U have levelled an accusation that ANP and siad that u have proofs of that.

    Please tell me when ANP sided with establishment .

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:13 #
  40. hahaha

    i have not leveled any allegation. i mended you mind that what anp is thinking off.as you only get knowledge from adding numbers. but to understand you have to have links with politicians and thanks again you have accepted my points.one more thing if you do not have interest then in 2 days 3 pages full na hota...........hahaha

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:19 #
  41. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam

    U r a liar and now running because u have lied and don't have the moral courage to accept it. Here are the messages u did on this very thread.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/for-election-2013-pppppml-q-possible-winning-seats-from-punjab/page/2#post-389971

    Here u said that ANP has not been power hugry apart from one or two occasions.

    This is perciesely , i m asking u since yesterday which one two occassions and u r running from this.

    Then just go to top of this page where u said

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/for-election-2013-pppppml-q-possible-winning-seats-from-punjab/page/3#post-390222

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    ok brother i will tell this on fourm with documents.in 1980's they have the hunger also in 1950's they also have the hunger. but i will give you the documenty prove that is why i said to pm it.i have no issue.
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    Now , u r saying that u havent
    "i have not leveled any allegation."

    Muzzam sahib,

    Accpet that u have levelled an allegation just for the sake of allegation and should apologize to forum members for distorting history .

    U have done same thing on another thread where u said that punjab government is helping IT compaines to secure international projects and when i asked that which departmetn is doing that , u never replied.

    Bahi jee,

    There is no harm in supporting any party and expressing your oponion but one should refrain from false allegations and claims

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:32 #
  42. LHR

    MuazzamAli

    ANP sided with establishment until very recently....they were in govt and enjoying power with ministries etc etc while Mush was granted guard of honour

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:34 #
  43. bhea mera i said ANP is never a power hungry party except one or two time.
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    what i think those one or two time i have told you. i may be wrong. what is liaring in it.every one has his own views. for some one osama is here for some it is not. for me those on or two time i have mentioned you 1950's and 1980's.
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    Brother your doing allegations at me and i am standing at my statements. My jelus nhi hota i know few pppp supporters always jaloused from my prdictions
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    here goes link for IT

    http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=152910
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    http://pitb.gov.pk/?q=arfasoftwaretechnologypark
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    http://www.cm.punjab.gov.pk/index.php?q=node/1600
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    http://dawn.com/2012/04/29/punjab-signs-mous-with-known-it-companies/
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    and have your forget the link in which NZ traveled to NETSOL the only five star softwere here.
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    again thanks for making me simle. and i am confident and standing on what i said.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:41 #
  44. Sharif Aadmi

    LHR jee

    PML-N was part of the same cabinet with ANP having taken oath from same mush.

    Btw, ANP was part of cabinet after winning the elections not through back door as Bhutto was in Skindar Mirza/Ayub era or NS/Shujjat in Zia era.

    ANP was carrying the sister of Quaid on its shoulders (Madr Millat) when muslim leagues were licking boots of Ayub.

    Today , ML will accuse ANP of being an establishment party.Do they have any face to say so ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:45 #
  45. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam sb

    "
    hat i think those one or two time i have told you.
    "
    Which one plz ?

    U said that u will come with documents ? That was your last message on this topic.

    Have courage and accept that u have lied.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:47 #
  46. LHR

    @SA
    janab but it was only PMLN which hounded Mush out of the office....and make him fly while ANP was keeping mum and getting sacks of US$ from Mush's handlers

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:48 #
  47. Sharif Aadmi

    LHR

    Mush fled becasue of the decision of coalition which included PPP , PML-N & ANP.

    Had PML_N so guts , its leaders won't have fled to KSA where as ANP has stayed here throughout AYUB , Yahya, Bhutto , ZIa , Mush era.

    First time , they had to go to oppositon , and signed a deal and fled to KSA. Come on yaar.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:51 #
  48. any one can read both of us post and decide who did allegations and who is liar.
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    sharif bhea when at start you said "look at your tone" i replied sorry to all i have hurt any one from my tone. brother you said you do not have the courage to say sorry. so this prove you wrong i have the courage to say any thing or fell any thing when i felt i did some thing wrong.
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    thanks for making me smile and by doing allegations at me. and thanks you remember me from months ago when i said Punjab Govt helping a lot to softwere houses. Soon my family will also going to start a software house a very productive business. i have earlier mentioned my brother did m.sc it from pucit and he employed upto 20 other person to softwere houses and my youngest brother is also doing the same.We being from a lower class family found IT very very productive and now thinking of software house. From Netsole to genione , form fisher to itcz all softwere houses ceo praised this govt. further, laptops helped it to develp look at merit of IT in Lahore they have crossed all universities of Pakistan. 14000 application for 50 seats this never happen before. My brother Muhammad waqas BUtt got 97% marks he did not receive the laptop because he have his. in my streets many got it. i know the benefit of I.T
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    so plz what every you say to me i will accept it with simel.
    For GOD sake do not say any thing to I.T. I.T is providing money to live to people and few peoples have aim to snatch this honest way.
    ..
    thanks for giving me so much love and you remember me from months great yar.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:53 #
  49. LHR

    @SA

    dont distort (recent) history bro...It was PMLN which hounded Mush out of office while PPP and Ghaffar Khan's party did alongside MQM did not want that

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:54 #
  50. Sharif Aadmi

    LHR,

    On 9th Aug 2008 , there was an agreemnet in coaliton partners signed in Bhurban. Wasn't ?

    And if u don't remember , it AAZ who conducted the press conference with NS asking mush to resign otherwise threaterning impeachment.

    Bro ,

    I don't need to distort history.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 11:59 #
  51. LHR

    @SA
    Brother...please dont distort the facts either....everyone knows the truth why Bhutto's damad had to do the press conf

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 12:03 #
  52. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam Bahi,

    Why don't u tell that which 2 times ANP has been power hungry ?

    Why u r running form this question ?

    About IT , I am in IT field since 1996 and please don't tell me about the conditions of IT in pakistan .

    U said that Gop is helping priate sectore in securing IT projects. I asked u a simple question that which department is doing so to which u never answered.

    Yes,one thing i accept that u have sorry open heartedly when i pointed to your tone.

    But please answer my question about ANP . Don't run

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 12:03 #
  53. hahaha

    @ sharif adami

    brother i have not have spare time like others. I am now near to bureaucratic ranked person (insha'Allah). For me there is no hate for any one neither i run away from any thing yar. some time it takes time.
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    it is good you accept that i have open heart.
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    it is also good my all predictions remained true and i am not the member of PML N. i am the official member of PTI and it may be shocking for you.
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    I read the book Wali khan and Pakistan, i advised you too read it. i will soon after scanning will provide you the pages. and do not distort the facts every one know why musharraf is not in Pakistan due to NZ and Chief Justice.
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    History will never forget the Historic movement of Long March When the Roaring Line of Lahore came From his Model Town Palace with Thousands of people they thrown away all the hurdles and thousands of Police men were there as a barrier posted by the Governor so called the Son of Zardari, MR sulman Taseer. the Lahore fuccccccked Sulman Taseer and his so called dad.
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    If the Lions of Lahore goes to ISB then the regime of Zardari was to be end but Mian Shahib was not power hungry at that time and showed the right way.
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    well a person from Lahore never ever talked in such a way as Lahore is the center of IT now.
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    thanks again for accepting that big heart sorry instantly , my analysis and also anp going away from pppp.
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    i have told you the name of the book if you did able to get i will after scan give it to you.and thanks for giving me noble name of lair...........hahaha

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2012 19:47 #
  54. Sharif Aadmi

    Muzzam sb

    I have already read the book 'FACTS r FACTS' so tell me what represents that ANP was power hungry and when.

    Question is not about your analysis , question is about your allegtaion about which u promised to give proofs. Please come up with proofs or say sorry .

    And why u r jumping from one topic to another and now gone to restoration of CJ in march? Fact the facts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 2:16 #
  55. @ sharif bhea

    facts ko break up karna ap ka kam ha. i have give you facts and the points of hunger of anp in politics.
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    here goes one more link of today's report.
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    ANP local leadership want to end relation ship with PPPP but ANP leadership said we are getting advantages and personal gains so yet remain with pppp upto announcement of election then after election who will win we will go with him to get maximum advantage for party and party leaders. what is this yar......i my eyes this is hungriness for politics.
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    http://e.dunya.com.pk/detail.php?date=2012-09-21&edition=LHR&id=9112_68939246
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    Plz ap facts mat tora kara bad ma ap man bi jata ha.because i always give solid proofs. and many always jelous of it.thanks yar fo rgiving me such respect and time.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 6:07 #
  56. Sharif Aadmi

    MuazzamAli

    I m not asking u about ANP future plans.

    I m asking u for the proffs that u promised about ANP's power hunger in the past.

    "
    ok brother i will tell this on fourm with documents.in 1980's they have the hunger also in 1950's they also have the hunger. but i will give you the documenty prove that is why i said to
    "

    this is your lines which u wrote in the 3rd msg on top of this very page. Check it and give proofs of it

    Otherwise , be brave and apologize for your lies.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 6:16 #
  57. bhea mera aj ka bi link diya ha....wo power hungry politics nhi to kaya ha. 4 sal sind government ma anp na kaya kiya. power hungry nhi to kaya tha yar. ap pata nhi kis ko power hungry khata ho. bhea anp choti jamat ha us ki power hunger bi choti he ho ge.
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    that is why ap ko wo power hungry nhi lagti. sir ma mazeed ap sa as point pe sir nhi kapayo ga. as i consider my self enough clam to do not waste my time on point which you are failed to understand. MAN is by Nature Hungry of Power ans it is the right of every party to remain Hungry it is the hunger which make you progressive.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 6:37 #
  58. allahbanda

    Zardari sahab payshawar siasatdano ki qemat jan chuka hy.aanay walay election main es ke game kamal ki hy.apny bray mukhalf ky khelaf es ny tamam chotay groupon ko in ki qemat par sath mila liya hy,issay apni party ke parwa nahi wo janta hy wo kahen nahi ja rahay.pmlq,mqm,anp, ko khush karnay k leay wo kisee bhe had tak ja sakta hy.agarchay pml Q ka bas nam he reh gaya hy phir bhee nafsyati tor par es say ppp ka hosla barhay ga. aur kcuh loog apni zati taqat bhee rakhtay hain. baqi kami pori karnay k leay Imran ko choor dia gaya hy. wo chand seats lay ga magar vote kharab zaroor karay ga jo ppp ky faiday main hy. magar jaysa k Imran khan ky gubaray say hawa nikal rahi hy pml n ny agar mehnat karkay logon ko imran khan ka asl chehra dikha dia tu satay ee khairan hain.pml n ko sakhat mehnat karnay ke zarorat hy.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 8:46 #
  59. Sharif Aadmi

    MuazzamAli bheaa

    Now u r licking your own spit

    U said that ANP was power hungry in 50's and 80's and now have come to sindh government .

    What a shaaaaame. SHAAAAAMEEEEE

    ANP has joined sindh government after winning elections not by licking any generals ....

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 9:53 #
  60. ok brother shame for me. fazol behas ma atleast ma apna waqt nhi waste kar sakta. muja just yahe kahana tha every one remain power hungry example 80's ki ho ya 2012 ki example hi hoti ha.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2012 11:15 #

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