"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
Mujaddid
Again excellent Job by Nadeem Paracha
he’s being called the “daughter of the nation” who needs to be rescued from the fanged jaws of the Americans. Her name is Dr. Aafia Siddiqui. Pakistani TV channels and drawing-rooms are buzzing with talk of this gallant woman who was recently found guilty by an American court for attempting murder, and on whose defence the government of Pakistan has already spent a whopping two million dollars.
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Shock
Yeah, it was a great piece by NFP. I think me and you posted it the same time, so they took out mine. Anyways, thank for posting it.
Following the blogosphere, I came across an interesting article that has been posted in comments of articles written in regards to Aafia Siddiqui. I've now noticed it is also posted at http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/5688
The article:
By: Ahmed Naqvi
Aafia Siddiqui’s legal case has done its round in Pakistan’s media. From the anti-government newspaper The Nation, to the relatively liberal and seemingly unbiased Dawn, everyone has taken a swipe at this jaw-dropping, mind-numbing political situation. Yes, political situation. Though her curious case may have been shrouded under a dark cloud, the manner in which the opponents of this government have turned her case into a ticking time bomb is truly disgusting.
Recently a protest was carried out in Gujranwala at the behest of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Why? They wanted to “condemn” the jury decision made by a US court, which went against their wishes. I have no complaints with holding a protest, it is a privilege we all share given by our constitution, but tell me, how many of the protestors knew the details surrounding the case? Is it not ironic that people argue for the supremacy and sovereignty of courts in their own country, but “condemn” the courts of another? Furthermore, you want the United States to be respectful, but all you can do is burn the US Flag and effigies of their political leaders. Practice what you preach; it is really not that hard.
It is unfortunate that whenever Pakistan is mentioned in the media, we seem to be under a cloud of negative news stories. With the amount of media covering the case, one would think that Mrs. Siddiqui would take the opportunity and prove her innocence on an emotional front. What did she end up doing? Much to the delight of Zaid Hamid, Aafia Siddiqui lambasted Israel and Zionism (which has nothing to do with her legal case) and refused assistance provided by her government. I find it truly amazing that the MIT graduate did not take a smarter route and ended up looking like well – not innocent.
What is more regrettable in such situations is not the outcry we witness in Pakistan but the instigators who enjoy making the situation a political mountain. These nincompoops play with the emotions and sentiments of the Pakistani nation. One of them seems to be enjoying the spotlight with a fashion designer, while the other is nothing short of a brilliant fable writer. You guessed them – Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Quraishi. Zaid Hamid is a comic story and it is hilarious to see how he is making rounds in schools and colleges promoting the Pakistan Allama Iqbal envisioned. It is an insult, that a character as shady and repulsive as Hamid’s, is trying to create parallels with one of our most noble and revered leaders.
To truly understand the fable writing of Ahmed Quraishi, one only needs to go through his website and find all the predictions he has made. Sadly, none of them have come true. How I wish they had, it would have saved me some research and allowed me to concentrate elsewhere! Working in collaboration with The Nation, Mr. Quraishi has gone to great lengths slinging mud on diplomats, bureaucrats and elected officials. Singing a populist tone, he lambasts the United States for constant drone attacks, but refuses to pen a single word against the Pakistan Army who has sanctioned such strikes. He loathes Anne Patterson and the United States with a passion, but had no issues applying for employment opportunities with US companies. Does he truly think that he is our messiah by making himself look like a fool?
The Nation enjoyed the verdict against Aafia Siddiqui. Using the political storm created by the case, the paper blasted their favorite punching bag, Ambassador Haqqani and the federal government for not securing the release of Aafia Siddiqui. It is strange that they would think that an Ambassador has the ability to give an innocent verdict and advocate a criminal case. It was the same logic that led them to believe Mr. Haqqani wrote the Kerry-Lugar Bill!
In a recent article, Kaswar Klasara articulates that Mr. Haqqani flew all the way from the United States to the PM Secretariat in order to clear his position after he badly failed to pursue Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s case efficiently. Mr. Klasara believes we live in a day and age without any telephones or emails. Surely, Mr. Haqqani could have made a simple phone call to PM Gilani instead of enduring a grueling fifteen hour flight?
Also, how could The Nation possibly publish an article without calling for the Ambassador’s resignation? Using information from his beloved “source”, Klasara states the Presidency and PM Secretariat were proposed by certain quarters to replace Hussain Haqqani by a suitable career-diplomat. Now this rings a bell! Oh yes, it was Ahmed Quraishi and his little gang sitting at their writers cubicle in The Nation offices some time ago, creating a rumor where Mr. Haqqani was being removed within 48 hours. That “time ago” was October last year.
Stop the hate Mr. Quraishi and Mr. Hamid! Nothing good can possibly come out of it. All you guys are doing is taking advantage of the gossip and drawing room politic culture present in Pakistan by instigating downright lies. Fuelling conspiracy theories is not the solution to the problems we face today. It is not going to help anyone’s cause. This path of destruction that you two are leading conservatives on is not going to stop the militants from blowing up another school in Peshawar or them killing a few innocent civilians in Karachi. Too many lives have been lost; too many politics have been played. Stop indulging in these malicious activities; it is time you two started acting with some maturity and dignity.
Wahid Doyum
Aafia issue is a creation of media and ISI/CIA to focus attention of their own mullahs for strategic reasons.
Just wait, once taliban gain control of the region, they will invite their american brothers for invasion of Iran and full pipeline access.
netengr
Dr Afia Ex husband interview
Salam
what else to expect from an ex?
LalBichoo
Her uncle has similar story as well :))
BTW Salam Sb, I'm still waiting for your answers
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/why-mqm-hates-dr-aafia/page/2#post-116730
Salam
my dear i am not interested in proving you meaningless, i like your free thinking when it comes to religion but get surprised when see it missing on political affiliation.
all political parties have given their firm support in favor of dr aafia as she was illegally detained and illegally transported out of Pakistan and was abused in bagram jail.
her 2 children are still missing and neither pak govt nor american govt are willing to own the responsibility
for me it is already good enough to see that all political parties have given support in her favor, so it is meaningless to debate with few individuals.
@Salam ,
Lal Bichoo bechara repeated psyche ka shikar hay .
aik baat ka jawab 100 bar bhi do **** to aur pochay ga !
LalBichoo
Salam,
"""all political parties have given their firm support in favor of dr aafia as she was illegally detained and illegally transported out of Pakistan and was abused in bagram jail."""
"""for me it is already good enough to see that all political parties have given support in her favor, so it is meaningless to debate with few individuals. """
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'An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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"""her 2 children are still missing and neither pak govt nor american govt are willing to own the responsibility"""
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What's your take on 2 missing children ?
What does Aafia's family say about them ?
Is there any proof they were picked up and killed by FBI ?
hariskhan
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
My two comments on this article's page are still up for moderation. I put them up yesterday evening.
LalBichoo
@Moderators
Could you please take note of personal attack and provocation by 'choosy'
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choosy
Member
@Salam ,
Lal Bichoo bechara repeated psyche ka shikar hay .
aik baat ka jawab 100 bar bhi do **** to aur pochay ga !
Posted 24 minutes ago on 12 Feb 2010 7:33 #
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aisi bhi kiya baat kar di mein ne >
iss se ziada tu tum kah chukay hu mujahay ..shikayati ..:)
Salam
lalbichu,
well a crime was committed against a poor lady and her innocent little babies, whole nation is united in her favor.
you like it or don't like this is ground reality :)
LalBichoo
Salam,
I understand you know a lot about logical fallacies :))
'An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so.'
@Salam ,
if you were be talking to a wall.
it will get convince by now ...
but u trying to convince Lal Bicho Aka Redscorpion.:)
Salam
for me it doesn't matter if a person calls it ad populum or whatever because applying a term doesn't change the ground reality.
all political parties have given full support in her favor, even your beloved MQM rushed to her mother's house to show support & solidarity.
Salam
choosy bhai
for me i am talking and communicating with the world, lalbichu is just a member whom i am facing while giving my talk :)
maher
Nadeem Paracha is nothing but a house ****. He is suffering from Islamophobia. That "shines" through in most of his crap articles just like many other DAWN house negros.
hariskhan
The following is what I put up as one of my two comments on this article from NFP. This comment is still in moderation on DAWN's website. Can someone guess why ? ;-)
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
In my opinion, when a nation abandons one of its own, it looses the right to exist. Nadeem Paracha sb. is forgetting this fact. He’s more concerned with money ($2 million).
Every woman’s case is important. However, I don’t understand Mr. Nadeem’s problem with Dr. Afia ?
The fact that Pakistan has spent $2 million on Dr. Afia does not prove Pakistan has done something for its citizen. I wonder if Nadeem Paracha sb. would be satisfied by Pakistan Govt. for spending $2 million, if he was in custody of US in place of Dr. Afia, if he was going through all that Dr. Afia has gone through, is going through ? Would he be satisfied with Pakistan, just because Pakistan had spent $2 million on him and failed miserably to secure his release ?
What is the worth of a nation when its citizens can be;
(a) sold to foreign nations, their authorities
(b) abducted
(c) herded out like animals
(d) labeled as war criminals
(e) beaten, shot, tortured, raped, abused
(f) taken through a sham court trial where nothing could be proved
yet still that citizen is condemned to a life of misery in the hands of those who are most uncivilized nation in the world.
What is the worth of such a nation ?
Miss-handling, torture, rape of women within our borders is our internal matter. Those in the Govt. are fully responsible for dealing with this issue. Also, Pakistan’s justice system should take care of it.
Dr. Afia’s case is MORE important. Why ? Because
(1) it highlights the fact that Pakistan STILL does NOT! have an extradition treaty with US. Pakistan may not have extradition treaty with many other countries/nations
(2) No formal extradition proceedings took place within Pakistan, for a citizen of Pakistan, before she was given into custody of US authorities, before she was herded outside Pakistan’s borders, before she was sold
(3) to-date no one has been held accountable for ’selling’ of Pakistani citizens to foreign nations, powers, authorities, etc etc
By highlighting Afia’s case, they are condemning ALL previous governments of Pakistan for not having established extradition treaty, not having gone through any extradition proceedings within Pakistan for a citizen of Pakistan, not having arrested the perpetrators of this incident, not having taken them through the normal legal procedures in order to give justice to this citizen.
What does not having an extradition treaty mean for Pakistani people ? It means that any! nation’s authorities who have power over Pakistan’s Govt. can abduct people, take them out of Pakistan’s borders, treat them in anyway what-so-ever, without any regard of any law existing in this world.
This is not for Dr. Afia alone. This could happen to any! Pakistani at any time. What guarantee do we have that it won’t happen to me, or any other citizen of Pakistan tomorrow ?
LalBichoo
maher,
"""Nadeem Paracha is nothing but a house ****. He is suffering from Islamophobia. That "shines" through in most of his crap articles just like many other DAWN house negros. """
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Excellent display of Argument Ad Hominem :)))
"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1]"
LalBichoo
Salam,
""all political parties have given full support in her favor, even your beloved MQM rushed to her mother's house to show support & solidarity. ""
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Well, Salam that' not gonna work my friend, your argument is essentially flawed as it has logical fallacy !
"""all political parties have given their firm support in favor of dr aafia as she was illegally detained and illegally transported out of Pakistan and was abused in bagram jail."""
"""for me it is already good enough to see that all political parties have given support in her favor, so it is meaningless to debate with few individuals. """
>>>
'An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so.'
Anonymous
first of all Dr. Afia was American citizen as well so as America has provided her education and all benefits welfare but found out she was anti American at the same time enjoying all benefits of America then they decided to teach her a listen so that other hypocrites cant forget when they eat from America, when they enjoy benefits of American society. Its like a same thing that someone living in my house I am responsible for his lunch I am responsible for cleaning his room but instead of being thankful he think I am his enemy for some reason and he want to harm me for that then what would I do???
second JI and PTI who are visible in campaign for her release if we see their track record they never stand up for women rights before...and as we know their are thousands of cases involve violence towards women but not once they stand up in the past then when their is a scope of blaming USA and their WOT they stand up like they are the spoke person of women rights..Now tell me when such incident happened in Pakistan they never stand up for that but when they saw opportunity to blame USA they start shouting like spoke person of women rights in Pakistan why??
Salam
@maher
i like the term you used above :)
you see these house nigros are found in all cultures and we are no exception!
LalBichoo
Salam,
I'm not surprised by your and maher's racist comments, if IK can use racist vocabulary then why can't you ? :)))
Salam
i suggest you to learn about this term and see who used it and for whom he used it!
Salam
yahya
what i don't understand is that on one hand MQM rushes to support dr aafia while on other hand they criticize JI/PTI on rallying public support for her? why?
netengr
Afia ki hype khatam ho gaee ,bring some thing more sentimental
LalBichoo
Salam,
Yaar ab tau meray questions ka answer day duu plzzzzzzz
1- Why didn't JI and PTI hold rallies for Dr. Shazia Khalid and Zarina Marri ?
2- What service Dr. Afia has rendered for mankind or for muslims or even for Pakistanis ?
3- Why JI calls Afia 'Dukhtar-e-Millat' ?
Salam
lalbichu
you are asking questions from PTI/JI and i am neither a member of these political parties nor a supporter.
if you are really hungry for answers, try contacting local office or representatives, i am sure they will give their party stance
@Salam Bhai ,
u said :
@choosy bhai
for me i am talking and communicating with the world, lalbichu is just a member whom i am facing while giving my talk :)
ab suno ...
repeat telecast Live with Lal Bichoo.
yeh repeat karta rahay ga chahiye jitna bhi jawab do lo.:(
LalBichoo
Fair enough :)
Now how about question no. 2
2- What service Dr. Afia has rendered for mankind or for muslims or even for Pakistanis ?
jaypk
to anyone who is sayin tht since all the parties are running after afia ...so tht makes it a country level issue..i mean...comeon...do you guys really think tht mushahid hussain really gives a toss about afia.??..its just becasue in the current political scenario where media can make sumone a hero overnight and a loser overnight, all the parties and leaders have to show sympathy one way or the other..i ll support my observation with the case of zarrina mari and other like her as no one knows about them...why..its becasue media hasnt propagated them as the dukhtar e millat...i mean if ARY ppl are goin to her house and every ohter program is airing her legacy...ofcourse she ll get sympathy...kindly befre any more-loyal person come up and say tht thisn tht..i have already said numerous times tht she has to be bruoght bak...no matter she was guilty or nt...but you cant say tht atleast we are takin up afias case so ppl shud appreciate...our media is not fool..they haev to sell..they ll only come up with hot news..i mean..who knows abt zarina mari??...Afias issue is a burnign issue and it will sell...and the ppl who would get more benefit and increase thr VOTEBANK would the one who raise it and burn it more..!!
and for sumone who is criticizing NFP...wiht all due respect...i know hes a bit fidley and has a smokeeeey past...but if anyone has the ba*** to comment on him shud realize tht had that been so easy to write fr dawn and MAG, whoever is givin his intellectual thoughts abt him wouldnt have been sittin here and givin them on pkpolitics...this is the sad mentality of our nation tht we always point and call us the biggest critiques and think tht only we are right..whn you actually go out thr and try to make a place in journalism it ll take half of your life and even thn ppl woudnt accept you...so its very easy to come here an write a line shuttin sumome down..!!
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