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funny Stuff !!! Indians in their quest to be equals to the Caucasians are having

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  1. NNL
    member

    their DNAs being traced back to the Europeans lol

    Dang thats the height of Inferiority Complex.

    DNA trawl shows long history of India's castes

    Wed Sep 23, 2009
    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A genetic search of India's diverse populations shows most people have mixtures of European and ancient south Indian genes, and helps illustrate the deep roots of the country's caste system, researchers reported on Wednesday.

    It also shows that Indians, much like the Finns and European-origin Jews, may be susceptible to recessive genetic diseases, they report in the journal Nature.

    Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School in Boston and colleagues found "strong evidence for two ancient populations, genetically divergent, that are ancestral to most Indians today".

    "One, the 'Ancestral North Indians', is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the 'Ancestral South Indians', is as distinct from ancestral north Indians and East Asians as they are from each other," they wrote.

    "Nobody's even close to having all of one or the other," Reich said in a telephone interview. "People in India are almost all a mixture of these two ancestral populations."

    And virtually all also carry a risk of genetic mutations that can confer disease, Reich said.
    He said his group and others should
    look in to that, to see if Indians have higher rates of recessive diseases, which can include deadly and incurable cystic fibrosis, sickle cell disease, and Tay-Sachs disease.

    Reich's team, including a group at the Broad Institute at Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, looked at genetic mutations in people from 25 different Indian groups -- a small sampling of the 6,000 or so estimated groups that restrict intermarriage.

    FOUNDER EFFECT

    What they found, time and again, was the so-called founder effect -- large numbers of people descended from what was originally a small group of ancestors. People in Finland and Ashkenazi Jews are other groups marked by the founder effect.

    The limits on marrying outside the group can create the risk of recessive diseases -- conditions that only occur if people have two mutated genes. Marriage within groups raises this risk.

    "Many Indian groups have a pattern of having been founded by a small number of individuals. They have been isolated from other groups since that time by restricted marriage across groups," Reich said.
    Some people get tested for recessive genes before having children, and some people also use assisted fertility techniques to test embryos for recessive diseases.

    Reich said no one had documented a higher number of recessive diseases among Indians, but it also was not something anyone had looked for. "It probably affects hundreds of millions of people in India today," he said.
    While the genes clearly show that the caste system has existed for hundreds of generations, the genes do not line up by caste.

    "It is impossible to distinguish castes from tribes using the data," Kumarasamy Thangaraj of the Center for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad, India, who worked on the study, said in a statement.
    "This supports the view that castes grew directly out of tribal-like organizations during the formation of Indian society."

    (Editing by Julie Steenhuysen and David Storey)

    http://in.reuters.com/article/lifest...58M4N020090923

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 13:45 #
  2. Anonymous

    South Indians are the real natives and real Indians. Everyone else in South Asia is a migrant (probably with the exception of Sindhis/Pakistanis). South Indian languages are one of the most oldest languages, far older than Sinskrit.

    Hitler used to call himself son of Aryans. When man left Egypt and by Egypt I mean ancient Egypt, some went towards Europe, some went further towards Scandanavia and some came towards South Asia. Those who came towards South Asia, kicked the real natives i-e South Indians in the corner and took over.

    Having said that, Indians live under sever inferiority complex. You should see a white man in India around Indians and you should see what Indians act like. Mujhay inn logoo pay tarss aata hai. No self-respect whatsoever.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 14:42 #
  3. “One, the 'Ancestral North Indians', is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the 'Ancestral South Indians', is as distinct from ancestral north Indians and East Asians as they are from each other," they wrote.
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    @NNL
    Your thread calls for an intense debate on this subject. I have taken a paragraph from your post to highlight the refutations by the Saffron brigade through their propaganda campaigns backed by BJP about the Aryan influx on prehistoric indigenous inhabitants of the subcontinent (1).

    A Hindu now blames the Aryan invasion as ‘intellectual fruad’ by the West while this paragraph proves many invasions including the Aryans to be true.
    As I have mentioned in my posts before that a very large majority of Pakistanis and of western north Indians are settlers – residue from previous invasions that do not relate to the indigenous inhabitants – the Dravids. DNA tests proves this.

    (1)-(called ‘barrey-e-saghir (subcontinent) by the Muslim invaders and later mentioned in Mughal history as Hind was translated into ‘India’ by the British as a Jewel in their crown. Never had India been a unity (fedration), a nation before – it was always divided into numerous independent states ruled by rajas and maharajas when invaded by so many civilizations)

    (One may refer to historical references of hind and sind as pronounced by the Greeks, Romans, Iranians etc. but than that is a totally different debate as this concerns the river Indus itself and not India as it is now – When we discuss pre-historic or historic issues like this one, we should use the word ‘subcontinent’ - a scatter of states and not India as it is now – one country.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 17:26 #
  4. Asli Moulana
    Blocked

    why is it not that surprising to the Indians that their roots are more related to Aryans than anyone else.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:07 #
  5. Because they want to prove that humanity and civilization originated from 'Bharat Varsha' and no where else.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:10 #
  6. @all
    Anything criticising members/offtopic will be removed. Do not disturb the discusiion that is going on topic.
    Members are advised to point out such posts/members.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:34 #
  7. I have removed it as this was 'name calling' as per COC. It is wise to discuss the subject (topic) here and not persons.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:38 #
  8. Asli Moulana
    Blocked

    Mirza my comment was of lol crazy people was in response to your comment that

    "Because they want to prove that humanity and civilization originated from 'Bharat Varsha' and no where else"

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:38 #
  9. I will appreciate an intellectual discussion, the real purpose of this forum. My comments are because of extensive reading on the concerned subject and could be backed with works by authors of international acclaim

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:42 #
  10. Asli Moulana
    Blocked

    oh I can understand where you are coming from cos the Indians always have tried to prove that they are something unique everywhere.

    Its understood that they will go nuts on this report of DNA tracing.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 18:53 #
  11. Quite a lot has been written in this regard by the hindus. Surprisingly those who have written, the likes of Raja Ram have been refuted by scientists and scholars on an international level.
    Hindus have a titan of an issue that they have attempted to correct by falsifying history but failed miserably because they simply forgot to record their own history and depend on what other's have written about them. Their Vedas have yet to be proven of their claimed age of 15,000 and above. There is talk about their language sanskrit not older than 400AD still a heated discussion.

    They are trying their best to claim the Indus Valley Civilization as hindu while that is not the case with non hindu scholars. They claimed to decipher IVC language and failed again. Their tempering of IVC seal images with photoshop to make a bull look like a horse is again world famous as an attempt to temper prehistory. The list goes on and on like I told you this topic requires extensive discussion.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Sep 2009 20:05 #
  12. Indians are badly impressed by western and European culture and ppl...and somehow they wanna be associated with them.
    by imitating thier culture in their films and dramas .
    and now by claiming these kinda stupid links with European link

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 6:25 #
  13. @Redscorpion,
    i have posted a very detailed answer of your same argument in a similar thread .
    long and short of that :
    putting two or three Selected Muslims on bigger posts is easier than treating the whole Muslim community on equal grounds .
    no2...by giving these crucial posts to few Muslims ,they are trying to make an impression that they are a great secular state ,in order to impress ppl like you.

    no3. how much Muslim Shahrukh and salman are u know and i know ....they drink,they eat pork ,they marry with hindu women and so on and so forth .
    BTW ,they hate to be recognized as Muslims .
    see latest news about shahrukh when he was stopped at USA airport .what he has to say about his Muslim identity ?
    and thats why india is promoting them .

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 7:57 #
  14. @Red-Scorpion
    To 'argue' and to 'discuss' are two different things that I thought to bring back into your notice in case you have forgotten.

    Just have a look at your posts and tell me why you are diverting the discussion towards issues that are not relavant to 'Indians in their quest to be equals to the Caucasians'.

    I will not welcome 'good for nothing' counter arguments as a response because we are seriously considering identification of those who under a false garb or disguise as intellectuals are bahaving otherwise. Circular arguments, personal jabs, offtopic comments are enough to prove that the purpose in mind is something else other than a productive intellectual discussion.

    I hope that you will follow the cue and dis-associate your self from such actions.
    Beenai - a request. Pls take a note of members who are continously sabotaging decent threads with their non productive behaviour and take necessary action.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 8:07 #
  15. @Semirza ,
    i totally agree with u .
    off topic posts should be deleted .
    and if any of my post is off topic .
    it should be deleted too.

    @Redscorpion,
    we all ,including myself ,should avoid being off topic .

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 8:10 #
  16. amin1924
    member

    Regarding these DNA tests going back to other nations, we Muslims believe that human race started from Hazrat Adam AS.

    So if science one day gets that advance to confirm that all traces go back to one person, they will also acknowledge the truth told to us centuries ago.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 8:19 #
  17. shriq
    Member

    As our belief is that human race started from one person then one couple, this concept of original dwellers does not seem good. People settle at one place then if the conditions become hostile they move to other locations favorable to them. (Look how many intellectuals have moved to Europe / Canada / America from our homeland. A few decades from now they will be a part of those countries). Ok aryans came in Indian sub-continent and pusehd others aside. But then they are also old residents of India.

    Migration is one fact/phenomenon you cant deny. Today they are people of the land equal to others. South Indians dont become superior due to the fact that they are living there prior to the arrival of aryans.

    By denying that Hindus and Europians dont have same genes / DNAs, are you trying to prove that Europians are a better ethincity superior to all? No that is not ture. No nation is superior to others. It is a matter of their status in the moment of history. Today they are superior due to their scientific advances. Yesterday it was us (the Muslims). Before the times of Muslims there were others. No they are not superior at all. This concept of Eugenics started due to the hatred of the whites (like kkk) for all other people of the world. Dont promote it!

    Let Indians enjoy on this one at least!

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 17:34 #
  18. shriq
    Member

    By the way Indians ARE caucasians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

    There are mainly three GENERAL PHYSICAL TYPES Caucosoids, Mongoloids and Negroids.

    Indian sub continent people are caucasians.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 17:43 #
  19. zia m
    Member

    We all evolved from apes about 6 million years ago.
    Let's not get carried away.
    It is ignorance to deny scientific data.
    Evolution is a fact,we will have to admit it sooner or later.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 18:08 #
  20. shriq
    Member

    Once I heard a conversation!

    One was saying that humans evolved from X million years ago.

    The reply!

    Oh why this exact figure of X million years from apes to humans, what is your age?

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 18:13 #
  21. Anonymous

    Zia m

    It sound convincing to me.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Sep 2009 18:14 #
  22. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "We all evolved from apes about 6 million years ago.
    Let's not get carried away.
    It is ignorance to deny scientific data.
    Evolution is a fact,we will have to admit it sooner or later. "

    Thats what makes me laugh that Bhangi doesnt even realize that by saying such thing what he would get into.Do you know how it evolved from apes according to that theory?Let me break it down in easy language for you.

    That monkey/ape evolved into Blacks and those blacks evolved into chinese/brownies (okay.. brownies were a mixture..but still a subhumen or okay stick to the chinese subhumen class)and those chinese evolved into Caucasians and within Caucasians there were further evolutions till anglos came into being and it all suddenly stopped....but oh wait a minute....how the transition from monkey to Blacks occured? I guess that zia m is the missing link in there.Its the most racist theory on earth after the caste system in India(where actually this all started firstever) And you are telling us to accept this theory?And if we accept it then remember the blue eyed or green eyed people in pakistan or india could still be called humen but Bhangis like you would be called monkeys/apes right away.

    Thats the shortest summery I could give of the Bhangi theory...ooops...Monkey theory.....ooops evolution theory.

    :)

    ps.its really laughable that Bhangi doesnt even realize what this theory would make out of him.And okay... do you think angraiz charles darwin is the original ideologue of this theory? After your answer I would say something.But for now I can say get your head out of Angraiz's a-rse!

    Posted 2 years ago on 30 Sep 2009 6:42 #
  23. zia m
    Member

    Al-Jahiz an 8th century Muslim biologist of African origin was the first to postulate the theory of Evolution based on Natural Selection.
    In his Book of Animals(Kitab al-Hayawan),he describes the evolution of species...

    The Kitab al-Hayawan is an encyclopedia of seven volumes of anecdotes, poetic descriptions and proverbs describing over 350 varieties of animals. It is considered as the most important work of al-Jahiz.

    In the Book of Animals, al-Jahiz first speculated on the influence of the environment on animals and developed an early theory of evolution. Al-Jahiz considered the effects of the environment on the likelihood of an animal to survive, and first described the struggle for existence,[8] an ancestor of natural selection.[9] Al-Jahiz' ideas on the struggle for existence in the Book of Animals have been summarized as follows:

    "Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offsping"...Wiki

    It is a shame that Muslims have neglected the sciences for the past 800 or so years and adopted the ways of Jahalia.
    All we can do is laugh at other people while we depend on the rest of the world for even the basic necessities.
    The first homosapiens were from Afica,there is nothing racist about it.
    There is a cure for ignorance if we are willing to learn.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 7:23 #
  24. Good book to recommend on this subject

    "The Hindus" An Alternative history by Wendy Doniger.

    According to her There is no connection between IVC and the Vedic Civilization who came after them, settled in Punjab,lived in houses made of Straw and who probably composed Vedas.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 7:44 #
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    use less debate and exchange of personal comments by Crocodile and Ziam has been deleted .

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:04 #
  26. zia m
    Member

  27. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    What about the transition from apes to africans and so on and on? What about the original Books? Where are they? And what they say? Why not qoute them and educate me?Why not bring your own writing of whatever you understood after reading those books?Instead of quoting wikipedia!

    Show us something ...show us some guts!!!!

    :)

    ps.Dont make people give you another certificate!
    ps1.Richard dawkins an atheist?Now you are an atheist?Or you were always an atheist?

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:10 #
  28. zia m
    Member

    He is the best Biologist around.I could care less about his personal beliefs.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:14 #
  29. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    Well when he himself says that he's an atheist then why not accept it?Or okay what you believe in?IF you not gonna answer it then why bother talkin about others believes be they islamic or otherwise?And not only that why getting into religious thread when religion is all a personal matter? And why in the world calling muslim world to accept the monkey theory?Why not first figure out what you want to believe in and what set of believes should be set and then talk or just keep quiet?

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:18 #
  30. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    Can't an atheist be a biologist ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:19 #
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    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 9:27 #
  32. golden girl
    Member

    South Indians are aborignies. Please visit the relevant site and compare Murli Daran the Sri Lankan bowler. His face is almost like an aboriginian.Indians are not caucasians.The Pathans and Kashmiris are caucasians.Most of the Indians are aborignies,as was claimed by late Dr Dani.Every race has some superiority complexE.g. the Germans, Arabs,Chinese and Indians.Basically, the Indians may have an inferiority complex which they are covering by posing like Europeans or caucasians. But these things are still subjective and need further empirical research.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 11:31 #
  33. @golden girl
    Welcome to pkpolitics discuss forum. Agreed. Indian have aboriginian blood from the southeastern side and from the western side is 'Etheopian blood'. The Makranis in Pakistan and a similar tribe in Gujrat - India is there. Yes Pashtoons/Pakhtoons and Kashmiri are caucasians. By the way if you take only cau ca it sounds like Koh Kaf!

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 11:39 #
  34. shriq
    Member

    I am learning new thing here.

    I thought there are three basic human races. Caucosoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. But semirza your theory of cau ca (koh kaf) is suggesting that Indians other than people in North or Pathan as golden girl said are NOT Caucasians. So how to define them in terms of human race?

    Any ohter type apart from the three above? (Just by googling I saw some thing like Australoid.)

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 11:51 #
  35. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "So how to define them in terms of human race?"

    complex mixture?

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Oct 2009 20:15 #

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