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"Great Success of Jinnah and Zia in Pakistan and Failure of Others."

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  1. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    " Success of Jinnah and Zia in Pakistan and Failure of Others."

    In view of present scenario, when Pakistan is suffering from violent conflict between Pakistan army and Islamic Fighters and both are cutting throats of each other and killing each other mercilessly, and no one is there to stop them from this bloody madeness,infact some ethnocentric parties and India are enjoying this bloody film continuously, and are trying to pour more fuel on this fire. In such condition it is the responsibility of Intellectuals of Pakistan to try to stop this blood shed and to analyze the past history of Pakistan and find out that why Pakistan was stable in the era of Quaid-e-Azam and General Zia, and was a most stable and strong country of the region in spite of all adversaries and enemity of British Empire, India and Soviet Union and why it has become so much unstable in the era of General Musharaf and Mr.Zardari in spite of support of World Super power USA,NATO and other nations..
    Pakistan Needs Leader Like Quaid-e-Azam.
    Quaid-e-Azam was a leader who united whole the populations of Muslims of subcontinent on one platform in spite of all their weaknesses due to illiteracy, ethnocentrism, regionalism, provincialism and conspiracies of Indian National Congress and British rulers, From each sentence of his speeches it is evident that he was the most caring and sincere leader for Muslims and for their interests. His speeches are full of words like Muslims, Musalamans and Islam, He very strongly proved that he is a well wisher of Muslims and will never compromise against the best interests of Muslims.
    This was the reason that Muslims of subcontinent have thrown all their differences and were united under his leader ship without any reservation. For the cause of Muslims his family life was destroyed, his sister never married, her daughter was separated from him, For the cause of Muslims he lost his personnel home in Bombay, India, For the cause of Muslims he refused to accept the Premier ship of India and due to his hard work for the Muslims his health was destroyed but till his death he continued to work for welfare of his peoples. These were the characteristics of Quaid-e-Azam due to which even his enemies like him and have praise for him.
    Pakistan Needs Leader Like General Zia-ul-Haq.
    After separation of East Pakistan in 1971 a critical change occurred in the demography of Pakistan and ratio of Muslims Population increased from 85% to 98%.General Zia was the first leader who comprehended this change and used this phenomena for the strength and stability of Pakistan. Due to his apparent commitment with Islam and Muslims, he was able to rule the country like an Iron Man till his death. During his era Pakistan was the Island of piece in whole region, his devotion for Islam and Pakistan made him the most successful ruler of Pakistan, Although he was a military dictator he was having a very effective influence both socially and religiously on people of Pakistan, and people were having trust on him, due to his policies there was no anti state or separation activities except that of Al-Zulfiqar by brother of Mrs. Benazir Bhutto.
    Afghan Jihad: Although General Zia was supporting Afghan Jihad against Soviet Union his relations with Soviet Union were surprisingly good, and Pakistan Steel Mill in Karachi was completed with the help of Soviet Union.

    Collapse of Super Power Soviet Union:
    Due to General Zia support for Afghan Jihad Soviet Union was broken into pieces of more than dozen countries and Pakistan was able to take the revenge of separation of East Pakistan from Soviet Union in which Soviet Union was nakedly involved .
    Due to General Zia policies so many countries of Eastern Europe and Central Asia were liberated from the claws of Soviet Union and both East and West Germany were reunited.
    He refused to accept any pressure with reference to Nuclear Program from USA.
    India:
    In the era of General Zia ,India was highly frightened from stability and progress of Pakistan and lost all its credibility and diplomatic respect due to support for Soviet Union for invasion in Afghanistan and Indira Gandhi a foolish leader of India who was involved in aggression and terrorism for taking the advantage of foolish acts of General Yahya Khan in 1971 in East Pakistan , was totally failed in controlling the affairs of East Punjab due to her foolish policies and in fact lost her life in that crisis.
    Blunders of Non-Religious Leader Pervez Musharaf.
    KARGIL WAR.
    Even before becoming the dictator, just for lust of his personnel fame, he was responsible for the adventure of Kargil war, which was having following draw backs.
    • As both India and Pakistan were nuclear armed at the time of Kargil war, it was simply foolish idea for staging such an adventure.
    • In case of extension of Kargil war, even the survival of both India and Pakistan were at stake, because in nuclear war no one will be victorious.
    • Kargil war has given the message to world as Pakistan was interested in the land of Kargil and not in the liberation of Kashmiri peoples.
    • It was told to the world as Mujahideen are acting in Kargil while infact they were the personnel of Pakistan army, and in fact it was great betrayal with those soldiers who were officially sent by their Generals in Kargil.
    • As a General Pervez Musharaf failed to take the help of Air force, which also indicates that how much capable General was he.
    • In Kargil Pakistan army personnel who were denied even by their Generals as their soldiers, were fighting against two forces of India i.e. Indian army and Indian Air force, it was a simple analysis that it will be impossible for one force to win a war against two forces. Which clearly indicates, that General Musharaf was not well aware of the basics of warfare?
    • Pervez Musharaf was solely responsible for the deaths and injuries to soldiers in this conflict and damage and malignment of the nation due to his foolish adventure just for his personnel fame.

    Musharaf Dictatorship.
    After Kargil expecting that he could be court martialled for his misdeed, Therefore by violating the best interest of the nation when enemies of Pakistan were waiting for opportunities to overthrow Taliban rule in Afghanistan, and to annihilate Kashmir libration movement and to surgically remove nuclear arms of Pakistan, by having no care of the above mentioned interests of the nation ,this dictator staged the coup against a Prime Minister who was having two third majority in the parliament, at that time only a civilian government was in best position to solve all above challenges but foolish dictators were having no care of interests of the nation.
    Kashmir;
    Due to Dictator Ship in Pakistan, liberation movement in Kashmir was seriously damaged; more dust was poured on that weakening movement by foolish suggestions of this dictator. This is the reason that even after giving so much sacrifices, still Kashmiries are waiting for freedom.
    Damage to Integrity of Pakistan:
    As the survival of any nation depends on the basic ideology of that nation, as Pakistan was created on the name of Islam and for the welfare of Muslim populations of Different areas, but this dictator was having no respect for the traditional, religious. Democratic
    and justice values of society, he was not in line with the mentality and thinking of the nation, nation was thinking in one direction and he was having mind of opposite direction, which caused serious damage to unity and integrity of Pakistani nation.
    War against Afghanistan:
    After 9/11 When he was waiting for help of USA for strengthening his dictatorship, he helped those enemies of Pakistan who were having desire to overthrow Islamic Government of Afghanistan, while in fact that was a golden opportunity for convincing to USA and world that solution to the problem of extremism in Afghanistan should be left to both governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and at other hand it was a convenient opportunity for creating a union between Pakistan and Afghanistan for countering terrorism for the purpose of avoiding the war in the region. but due to his dictatorship these goals were not possible, specially when India the main enemy of Muslim unity in South Asia pressurized Pakistan, by giving unnatural offer of Air bases in India to USA for aggression against Afghanistan while in fact by this offer it was not possible for USA to attack Afghanistan, by this offer, India just aim was to force Pakistan to become an ally of USA against Afghanistan, so that a hatred may be created between Pakistan and Afghanistan, This foolish General was unable to comprehend this policy of India, due to which so much civilian atrocities are going on in this region even today and this region has become the most destabilized region of the world.
    War against Afghanistan was opposed by civilian, military intellectuals, Corps Commanders and people of Pakistan, but dictator was having no care about that. and was interested in his personnel interest
    War against Afghanistan has caused a huge destruction in Afghanistan and large number of Pakistani civilians and military personnel’s have been killed.
    Destruction of Pakistan.
    War against a neighbor Muslim country, has seriously damaged Pakistan Islamic Ideology, and it is simple that without adherence to ideology, no country in the world can survive, this is the reason that now Pakistan is facing serious problem in each and every sphere of life, Institutions of Government and Military, Parliament and Judiciary are now facing serious problems as all these pillars of state have been seriously damaged by dictatorial policies.
    Damage to Army:
    Due to operations against its own population, Pakistan Army has lost all support of people, this is the reason that due to policies of this dictator, daily so many soldiers and Police personnel’s are loosing their lives, Instead of protecting and helping to each other, Army and people of Pakistan are cutting throats of each other, Due to operation in FATA, Balouchistan, and operation of Lal Mosque, serious damage to image of army has occurred. This dictator did not know that only relation and link between different areas and sections of people of Pakistan is that of Islam, All energy and motivation of Pakistani nation comes from Islam, without that even survival of Pakistan is simply impossible, but this dictator was having no care of that, This is the reason that army and security forces have lost all motivation, and anti social elements are committing freely their crimes.
    Damage to Judicial system:
    This under graduate General has caused serious damage to Judicial system of Pakistan, He was not knowing that in history when a dictator throw away any judge on street due to fair practices of justice then that Judge becomes the greatest judge of history, In Karachi on 12-05-2007,so many civilians were killed just to damage and abuse the
    Judicial system of Pakistan.

    Damage to Parliament:
    This dictator for the lust of power in 1999 removed a prime minister who was having Two Third majority in Parliament and a fake referendum was held to validate his dictatorship in which he showed that he was having support of 98 % of people, while in fact in history even in a single constituency of Pakistan it is simply not possible for any candidate to win so much support. He re-elected himself as a president for next five years, being a government employee wearing Military Uniform, while as per Pakistan constitution it is not allowed to compete elections being in job of Government, moreover from a parliament which already has elected him president once, and was going to complete its life just in next few months.

    Violent Poilicies of Non-Religious Leader Mr. Zardari..

    Policies of Mr. Zardari are just concentrated on the central Idea of taking the revenge of her wife from the people of FATA and NWFP, Mr.Zardari is an incompetent person for the post of president, he has become president of Pakistan, just due to greed and selfishness of the members of Parliament, as his own party was not having even simple majority in the Parliament and Mr. Zardari is taking the revenge of her deceased wife from people of FATA, and his policy is just killing and more killing of religious people of FATA and NWFP, Thousands of civilian peoples and army soldiers have been killed but there is no tears in his eyes he wants more deaths more attacks and more violence, therefore instead of making any effort for peace he is just saying that he wants victory he want to kill extremist Taliban, he say there is no option except war, he is desiring War in his own country with his fellow country men. , on one side he is using Pakistani security forces for killing tribal’s area people and on other hand helping and persuading USA to kill these tribal’s people, so that tribal’s people in reaction will do violent protest and attacks on USA and Pakistan Security forces in reaction and then Mr.Zardari will be able to claim that these are terrorist. By this vindictive policy Mr.Zardari Just want to satisfy his sense of revenge of the death of her wife, it is true that her wife was killed by some extremist due to her irresponsible statement that she would allow USA troops in FATA for operation against Talibans but now it is not correct to kill all religious people of FATA and NWFP in reaction to death of Benazir Bhutto, it will be justified to judicially penalize to those who have killed Benazir Bhutto.

    Reasons for Success of Religious Leaders and Failure of others:
    All success of Quaid-e-Azam and General Zia-ul-Haq were due to trust of Pakistani Nation on them due to their commitment with Islam, Muslims and Pakistan, in proving that commitment both were very proactive while present rulers are devoid of such characteristics, due to which today tribal people who have helped Pakistan in liberating 1/3 of Kashmir, and Mujahideen who helped Pakistan in Afghan Jihad are now attacking Pakistan security forces and national assets.
    Due to Quaid-e-Azam commitment and support for Islam and Muslims,he was able to compete both British Empire a World Super of that time and India second largest country of the world. In the same manner General Zia was able to give the defeat to Soviet Union a world super power,just by sensing the psychology and religious culture of people of Pakistan.
    While recent non-religious and ethnocentric rulers such as Musharaf and Zardari nor have any Ideology and neither have any courage to go in masses and are even unable to control the affairs of the Capital of Pakistan,Islamabad and the city of Rawalpindi where the General Head Quarter of Pakistan Army is located, because these rulers have chronically failed in proving their sincerity with Islam, Muslims and the people of Pakistan ,Which was proved on the day of Death of Benazir Bhutto,when workers and supporters of these non-religious leaders committed each and every crime against the innocent and peaceful citizens of Pakistan, both Musharaf who was in power at that time and Zardari who was the successor of Benazir chronically failed in protecting the assets and citizens from their violent supporters, therefore now how people of Pakistan can support and trust such selfish and deceptive leaders.
    It is the responsibility of world leaders specially western nations to analyze the situation scientifically, because even for Western Nations Jinnah and Zia , were more beneficial while it is quite obvious that Musharaf and Zardari who are just using guns to gain their objective will just fail, and Musharaf already had failed and the situation is highly volatile at present, therefore it is the need of time to encourage those people to come forward who can solve the crisis of Afghanistan and Pakistan peacefully with Ideological Warfare and not with deceptive politics and Guns.

    Written By: Muhammad Akram Khan Niazi.
    Karachi,Pakistan.,
    Email:akrumniazi@hotmail.com

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 5:09 #
  2. sasherwani
    Members

    This post should be in the "Fun & Humor" section.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 5:37 #
  3. i take it as a humiliation of my Quiad e Azam to be equated with Zia in a sentence or a phrase or a breathe.
    they just CANT be equated by any means ....

    Quaid e Azam was our most honest and respected leader .
    Zia was an authoritarian dictator and quite a cruel one .

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 6:23 #
  4. Quid e azan was a leader of muslims in india and struggled for the rights of muslims using slogan of civil rights, independence from colonialism and negated mullaism.

    zia was opportunist, munafiq, hypocrate, army dictator, marsjal law administrator, agent of USA and used innocent religious minded peoples for his dangerous designs.

    Zia planned and promoted pressure groups on the bases of linguistic politics, promoted firqas, organised rent a jehad with USA/West/israel/Arab kingdoms aid, money, weapons just to prolong his regime.

    Zia gave birth to nurseries of so called jehadee culture/madrissa with help of CIA/Mossad/ISI.

    All today's terrorists and religious retarded crop of youth is basically illigimate birth of Zia.

    Zia was more dangerous than Mush as he used islam for his malpractices and motives.

    Mush was a kala agrez.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 7:15 #
  5. zia m
    Member

    This is not even funny.
    It is an insult to Quaid to mention zia's name next to him.
    Zia is resposible for the destruction we are witnessing in our cities.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 7:25 #
  6. at present all terrorism, madrissa culture, bombings, killings, allying with USA and dependency on foreign aid is introduced by Zia-- the ameerulmunafeqeen.

    please refrain from linking zia with Quide azam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 7:49 #
  7. Augustus
    Member

    The best way to humilate Jinnah is to compare him with Dictators like Zia. No one can insult Jinnah better than this way. I agree with "True Pakistani" that Zia was opportunisit and he is the man who distrupted our social values and change the fundamentals of our culture. We are suffering from his wrong doings. "Lamhoon ney Khata ki Sadioon ney Saza Paiyee". His son never explained that why did he intervene to rescue Lal Masjid's Ulmas when police arrested them for keeping arms and ammunation? His son never explained the source of his wealth?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 7:49 #
  8. amirbutt
    Member

    Nothing can be more insulting to Muhammad Ali Jinnah than comparing him to Gen Zia Ul Haq. Nice practical joke, the original poster must really dislike Zia to post this nonsense. Good attempt at dark humor.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 8:39 #
  9. so we all are on a same page ...

    but i am waiting for Niazi sahib to come up with his logic to equate Quaid e Azam with Zia ....

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 8:42 #
  10. zingaro
    Member

    Zia also gave birth to a terrorist wing which subsequently shaped into a political party.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 9:01 #
  11. amirbutt
    Member

    Zia ki baqiat are cancer for Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 9:06 #
  12. Adonis
    Member

    Seems like most commentators have only read the heading, not the actual post.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 12:07 #
  13. noop..i have read the full article .
    it has a comparison study kinda feel and has compared different leaders ,it has got Mush and Zardari names too.

    but still i feel ,its unjust on the author part to equate Quaid e Azam with these leaders .

    Quaid e Azam is beyond any comparison to these so called leaders .

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 12:30 #
  14. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    In this article a comparison has been made between Two Ideologies on one side Pro-Islamic Democratic leader Quaid-e-Azam and another Pro-Islamic Dictator General Zia-ul-Haq have
    been compared with non-relgious Democratic leader Mr.Zardari and another non-religious leader Dictator Pervez Musharaf.
    Both pro-Islamic leader ruled the country till their death and also mysteriously Qaid-e-Azam defeated to British Empire and United India,Another pro-Islamic leader Zia-ul-Haq defeated world Super power Soviet Union where as non-religious leaders like Zardari and Pervez Musharaf were evenh struggling to control and safeguard the capital Islamabad and GHQ in Rawalpindi.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 12:36 #
  15. @Niazi sahib,
    thanks for the clarification .

    but i still thinks that there is no match to Quaid ,so we can not equate him with Zia the dictator ,in any circumstances ,from any angle .

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 13:00 #
  16. Akramniazi@

    look at the character of jinah the father of our nation that he used to address public rallies in english, though people were illiterate yet used to listen & trust him.

    Zia used to speak the words from holy Quran (reciting, na'etc.) yet people still hate him and consider him ameerulmunafeqeen.

    You are requested not to compare Zia with jinnah---- please?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 13:22 #
  17. zia m
    Member

    @Niazi sahib
    Your argument is seriously flawed.You are attempting to compare a rose with a thorn.It is like comparing Hitler with Lincoln.You could draw a comparisom between Mussolini and Hitler.
    If you like to compare Mush with Zia,you may have a point.
    History may even look favorably at Mush as compared to Zia.
    Mush at least gave some freedom to media and tried to restore minority and women's rights.Zia on the other hand put complete censorship of the press.

    ,

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 17:14 #
  18. alraji
    Member

    all this extremism we are facing today is the result of the policies of zia. your argument is no more than a fallacy. we can say that there was never such extremism among muslims not even during the colonial period until zia came as a curse for pakistan and supported extremism as a state policy. at his time they were exported to afghanistan and then later to kashmir but after american attack on afghanistan those exports stopped. now these human bombs produced during last 30 years (starting from zia) have no other skill than to kill and be killed and this is what we see happening...

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 18:45 #
  19. amirbutt
    Member

    M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    You have proved your great genius by comparing the father of our democratic nation to a criminal who broke his oath and the constitution of Pakistan numerous times to placate his foreign masters. Your genius would be served much better if you investigate who or what the remains belong to that is buried in the grave of Gen Zia ul Haq. You can use your investigate skills to expose if those remains belong to the American ambassador Arnold rafil and and are a burned sensitive part of his body or they actually belong to a stray donkey on the ground that was hit by the free falling wildly burning c130 aircraft. In case of the latter your efforts would be fully appreciated by all the donkeys in Pakistan which are thinking of suing you right now for label due to this article you have posted. I am sure that you will not waste your great talents and use them in constructive manners for here onwards.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 18:54 #
  20. Anonymous

    I support views expressed by alraji.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Dec 2009 19:08 #
  21. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Zia was perhaps a " Baqiat of Sardarul Munafiqeen Abdullah Ibne Ubbe" Please don't try to compare his dirty name with Great Qauid. Zia ka naam lena aisa he hay jaisa 'Bahar walay' ka naam lena-

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 0:08 #
  22. sasherwani
    Members

    Quaid made this country and Zia is the biggest reason our country heads towards destruction today. He helped us break a 'superpower Soviet Union'? So damn what? How did that benefit us? 80 suicide attacks from the Talibans this year so far.

    Zia will be remembered as the most hated man in Pakistan's history.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 4:25 #
  23. zia was used as toilet paper by WEST/USA.
    islam was also used to make fool our illiterate and innocent people.

    All recent time terrorism is introduced by Zia regime.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 7:36 #
  24. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    1)Pro-Islamic Leader Quaid-e-Azam defeated to British Empire and United India,Another pro-Islamic leader Zia-ul-Haq defeated world Super power Soviet Union where as non-religious leaders like Zardari and Pervez Musharaf were evenh struggling to control and safeguard the capital Islamabad and GHQ in Rawalpindi.
    2)Zia's era also marked the most stable period for Pakistan's largest province, Balochistan, in the history of the country. This was mostly due to his appointing General Rahimuddin Khan as Martial Law Governor of Balochistan. Rahimuddin's efficient and iron-fisted rule completely subdued the militancy, and also prevented an influx of drugs and weaponry in the Balochistan from Afghanistan. Calls for secession, which were in excess during the rule of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, were brought under control, and civil disobedience was also put down by indirect military action under the authoritarian Rahimuddin.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 12:17 #
  25. wrong statement.
    Quide Azam was not islamic leader he was leader of indian muslims.
    Abuul kalam azad was islamic leader howver, people rejected him and fully supported Jinnah.
    please correct yourself.

    if you consider Zia as good islamic leader then i have no more discussion with you. sorry. bye.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 12:24 #
  26. sasherwani
    Members

    As I said before, this thread should be in Fun and Humour section.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 12:25 #
  27. jaypk
    Member

    calm down guys...he is not serious..!!

    @niazi..Another pro-Islamic leader Zia-ul-Haq defeated world Super power Soviet Union.........humain kia mila?

    @niazi....Zia's era also marked the most stable period.........jee haan...toofan say pehlay khamoshi he hotee hay..!! un k janay k baad he toofan aya hay..or abhee bhee hay..!

    @niazi... pro-Islamic leader Zia-ul-Haq.....you forgot to add the word "shaheed"..!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 13:34 #
  28. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    General Zia greatly favoured egalitarianism and industrialisation. Between 1977 and 1986, the country experienced an average annual growth in the GNP of 6.8%, one of the highest in the world at that time.

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 13:38 #
  29. Economy
    Main article: Economy of Pakistan
    Statue of a bull outside the Islamabad Stock Exchange
    GDP by Province

    Despite being a very poor country in 1947, Pakistan's economic growth rate was better than the global average during the subsequent four decades, but imprudent policies led to a slowdown in the late 1990s.[87] Recently, wide-ranging economic reforms have resulted in a stronger economic outlook and accelerated growth especially in the manufacturing and financial services sectors.[87] Since the 1990s, there has been great improvement in the foreign exchange position and rapid growth in hard currency reserves.[87]

    The 2005 estimate of foreign debt was close to US$40 billion. However, this has decreased in recent years with assistance from the International Monetary Fund and significant debt-relief from the United States. Pakistan's gross domestic product, as measured by purchasing power parity, is estimated to be US$475.4 billion[88] while its per capita income stands at $2,942.[88] The poverty rate in Pakistan is estimated to be between 23%[89] and 28%.[90]

    GDP growth was steady during the mid 2000s at a rate of 7%;[91][92] however, slowed down during the Economic crisis of 2008 to 4.7%.[23] A large inflation rate of 24.4% and a low savings rate, and other economic factors, continue to make it difficult to sustain a high growth rate.[93][94][95] Pakistan's GDP is US$167 billions, which makes it the 48th-largest economy in the world or 27th largest by purchasing power adjusted exchange rates. Today, Pakistan is regarded as to having the second largest economy in South Asia.[96]

    The structure of the Pakistani economy has changed from a mainly agricultural base to a strong service base. Agriculture now only accounts for roughly 20% of the GDP, while the service sector accounts for 53% of the GDP.[97] Significant foreign investments have been made in several areas including telecommunications, real estate and energy.[98][99] Other important industries include apparel and textiles (accounting for nearly 60% of exports), food processing, chemicals manufacture, and the iron and steel industries.[100] Pakistan's exports in 2008 amounted to $20.62 billion (USD).[23] Pakistan is a rapidly developing country.[101][102][103]

    However, the Economic crisis of 2008 led Pakistan to seek more than $100 billion in aid in order to avoid possible bankruptcy.[104][105] This was never given to Pakistan and therefore it had to depend on a more aggressive fiscal policy, backed by the IMF. A year later Asian Development Bank Reports Pakistan economic crisis easing in 2009 [106]. Furthermore it is projected that in 2010 Pakistan economy would grow at least 4 percent and could grow more with strong international economic recovery[107].

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan)

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 14:08 #
  30. 1947: Rs.1.50 = US$ 1.

    1947: Rs. 2= BP 1.

    Gold 1947 Rs. 20/Tola.

    1947, No debt.

    at present> Rs. 84 = US$ 1,

    Rs. 135 - BP 1,

    Gold. Rs. 38,000/Tola.

    Foreign debt US$ 50 billion.

    where is development ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 15:38 #
  31. ased
    Member

    Bhai mere to say that zia was a good leader is idiotic. I just want you to know that the politic doesn't have to interruppt religion and the religion doesn't allow to interuppt politics. Thanks

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 15:51 #
  32. jaypk
    Member

    @ased....yeh main samjha samjha kar thak chuka hoon bhai in logon ko..!! tht politics and religion are two separate entities....per they always come up with another name like islamic system and God knows whd...and this is the only reason tht religious political parties have never gained any public favour and respect in pakistan..except fr the innocent ppl of nwfp and fata who were being used by the mullahs and collected votes in the name of religion......and after tht you can see whd has been happening in the region..!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 16:15 #
  33. netengr
    blocked

    @jaypk

    Lagay raho ,yeh siyasi Mullaon nay 70 saal lagaye hain apnay propaganday main ,aur abb pehli baar tou un kay concepts ki mukhalfat shoro hue hay ,This will take time yaar ,There is some difference in just two years and now people cannot be fooled easily on the name of religion by political mulla ,After one Lal masjid there will be no Lal masjid again ,After Sawat no one would think to accept Fazlullah as Khalifa again .

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 16:37 #
  34. jaypk
    Member

    @netengr...they have axed up themselves...by mixing religion with politics....agar aisa na kartay to shayed in ki baat log suntay..yeh jab tak masjidon main waaz daytay thay log in ko suntay thay....per ab jo rahay sahay scholar or aalim e deen reh gaye hain..un ki bhee koi naee sunay ga...jsut because of these mullahs who entered into politics and spoiled the image of aalim.. and even before tht they had some sort of influence in pakistani politics...check each and every reknowned event in the history of pakistan and you will find a connection of tht with mullah somehow...ab to haal yeh hay k ghamidi jaisay scholars ko bhee log sunnay ko tayyar naee.....per Amir liaqat ko log sunnay k liye baytaab rehtay hain...mazhab sirf aik tool hay in logon k liye...but ppl are realizing now tht this is all fake...apnee hilux main 4 4 guards lay kar ghoomnay walay maulvi hazraat qaum ko yahee sabaq daytay hain k Allah to kaafi naee humari hifazat k liye..in ki source of income poochnay ki koi jurrat naee kar sakta..ifitkhar ahmed nay jawab deyh main maulana fazlu rehman say un ki ghari *wrist watch ki price pooche thee jis ka jawab woh na day sakay....!! Allah rahem karay hum sub par..!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 17:21 #
  35. ased
    Member

    yaar jaypk you are right that the politician mullahs have no more influence. but an normal innocent person don't know in the mosque ,when a mullah say that shia or sunni or ahmadis etc. are kafir and kafirs should die, that this is wrong. and other thing is that mullah is not only a man with beard, today are mullahs looking like others they were also in the old time. they are also in the europe. The nation must comprehend that they should do their work by their own. Summary: Revolution "Inklaab"

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 23:07 #
  36. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    One said at Sama TV today morning that soon you will find PPP and PML N men hanging their dead bodies on " Islambad kay Khambon Par"
    This was type of person added in our lives by Zia Munafiq regime
    and many of them are in our media also

    Posted 2 years ago on 10 Dec 2009 23:51 #
  37. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    General Zia-ul-Haq's Islamization policy also proved to be extremely influential, and has continued to affect the political and sectarian situation in Pakistan till the present day. The nation's liberal elements claim that the late general's policy gave rise to previously unknown sectarianism and religious fanaticism within the country, citing, among others, the 1979-installed Hudood Ordinance. Pakistan's more conservative forces state that General Zia's Islamizing policies restored a sense of dignity and religious integrity back to the country.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 5:25 #
  38. NIAZI Sahib,

    Same can be said about Ayub Khan's policy which resulted in the fall of dhaka .

    Whats about bhutto's policy and effects like 1973 consittuion which has survived two martial laws ?

    Zia gained some 11 years in power without any interferece from ARMY whereas politiicans even don't get 2 years and even that with ARMY interference thats why they are not able to leave long term effect.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 5:30 #
  39. Zia was good man, But please don't attached zia with our great Jinnah.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 5:33 #
  40. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Pakistan Steel Mills:
    Although General Zia was supporting Afghan Jihad against Soviet Union his relations with Soviet Union were surprisingly good, and Pakistan Steel Mill in Karachi was completed with the help of Soviet Union.
    While NON RELGIOUS Zulficar Ali Bhutto was using that project as a job bank for members of his party,and other two secular leaders Pervez Musharaf and Zardari were found by courts of Pakistan guilty of abusing and selling this mill less than the price of land of this Mill.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 8:44 #
  41. Niazi Sahib ,

    the agreement with Soviet union was signed by bhutto although project was completed in zia regime in 1983. So , if political govt was toppled by 'ARMY' , i don't see secular or religious debate coming into play any where.

    U can accuse Mush of steel mill sale but how u r involving zardari , thats beyound any comprehension. If u could enlighten us a bit more , i would be greatly obliged.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 9:04 #
  42. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Steel Mills Reference No. 27/2000. In this Reference, which was filed in June 1998, the Accountability Court Rawalpindi convicted Zardari on 12 September 2002 after being put under extreme pressure by the government. The judgment was announced at 8.50 p.m. which is against practice and law as the court rise for the day at 4.00 p.m. Surprisingly at 9.00 p.m. on the same day the government announced on national media about the conviction in order to malign and defame Zardari.

    The conviction order is without substance as there is not an iota of evidence involving Asif in the commission of the alleged offence. The allegation in the said case was that Mr. Sajjad Hussain, former Chairman Pakistan Steel Mills in order to gain favor of Asif Ali Zardari for confirmation of his service arranged a sum of rupees 30 million from mercury corporation which had a contract with the Pakistan Steel Mills by giving the said Corporation and paid the same to Asif Ali Zardari. Sajjad Hussain unfortunately died before he gave evidence in the court.

    However, during his life time while he was unlawfully confined by the Nawaz regime to extract forcible confession from him, his wife Mrs. Amna Hussain had filed constitution petition in the Sindh High Court at Karachi contending that her husband is suffering from various deceases including acute depression and his being forced by the Nawaz regime specially senator Saif ur Rehman the then Chairman Ehtesab Bureau to make statement Asif Ali Zardari.

    The irony of the case is that National Accountability Bureau recovered the said sum of Rs. 30 million from Mercury Corporation, as prior to the announcement of judgment convicting Asif Ali Zardari but the said fact was not revealed to the Accountability Court, which convicted the Asif Ali Zardari. The judgment is nothing but travesty of justice said the lawyer.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 9:46 #
  43. Jinnah as founder of a nation state and Zia as a President but a product of the army are two different issues. However Zardari is mentioned alongwith still mill corruption issues:

    'It must be recalled that in May 2008, Moeen Aftab Sheikh was appointed as the Chairman of Pakistan Steel by the PPP to “achieve optimum level of production and making Pakistan Steel cost-effective”. Ever since the appointment of Moeen Aftab Sheikh, as the Chairman of Pakistan Steel, a strong favoritism was extended to Abbas Steel Group giving them exclusive rights to all the production coming out from the factory at well reduced and discounted prices.
    There is so much evidence to suggest that there was a seriously issue of favoritism and corruption, it seems that towards Riaz Lalji who is a close aide of Mr. Asif Ali Zardari. The exact implications of this entire scam has already run into well over Rs 22 Billion but if we factor in the 180M population of Pakistan it is as if Mr. Asif Ali Zardari in cohoots with Riaz Lalji swindled approximately Rs 150 from each Pakistani in a short span of one year. How long are we going to keep silent while the menace runs this entire country to the ground. It must be noted that all facts reported in this article were presented as a summary from the investigative report by the Competition Commission of Pakistan and are authentic to my best understanding. The question that remains to be answered who is willing to take these corrupt to the bleachers.'

    http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/11/30/abbas-steel-group-pakistan-steel

    Now what else could be behind the appointment of a close aide as Chairmain of Pakistan Steel Mills!

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 9:54 #
  44. Adonis
    Member

    I think that rather than comparing with Quaid-i-Azam, a more valid comparison of Zia-ul-Haq would be with other martial law rulers and dictators like Ayub Khan, Musharraf and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

    An analysis of what each of them did for Pakistan and what was the situation in Pakistan during their regimes would be more objective.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 12:02 #
  45. sasherwani
    Members

    Ok Niazi Saahab,

    Atleast one thing's interesting about this thread. I have finally seen a person in my lifetime who supports Zia.

    I sometimes doubted if even his son supports him.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 13:41 #
  46. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Yes .Ejaz ul Haq never praised his father. But perhaps there are some..............

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 22:21 #
  47. @ semirza

    I am glad that you have started using references in your posts and counter-arguments.

    This is how should be done. Any comments, allegations, and or historic references must be quoted with references, so that people can go back and read the context of your arguments etc.

    Good job and congratulations!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 22:44 #
  48. @ Muhammad Akram Khan Niazi

    Mr. Niazi,

    Although your blog/article is full of wisdom, history, and great comparison, it would have been more credible if you would've backed it by references.

    I hope you would keep my humble advice in mind next time you benefit us with your impeccable wisdom.

    Just a friend.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 22:51 #
  49. shimatoree
    Member

    To those that blame everything today on Zia-

    you are biased and intellectually dishonest.

    To those that blame ZAB for everything and more-

    you are biased and intellectually dishonest.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 22:59 #
  50. shimatoree
    Member

    Whatever ZAB did wrong- he was an ideas man and two things still stand to-day after more than 30 years of his death (of his ideas0-

    1. Nuclear Bomb 2. The Constitution.

    Even though Zia was no genius but he did have one thing that everyone today seems to lack- Courage.
    Before The West joined him- he made the decision to oppose the Soviet Union and it's army in Afghanistan.

    And do not forget the " PEANUTS" comment about what the USA was offering to their face . Just try to find someone today speak up for Pakistan like that.

    Zia brought the Pakistan Army up on modern weaponry bby using the money that US gave for fighting in Afghanistan- so that in 1986 when Indira Gandhi was ready to invade Pakistan-
    -(Operation Brass Tacks) she was informed as to what waited for her soldiers and she withdrew from the borders.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Dec 2009 23:09 #

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