R.Alamsha Karnan
Member
@KHAN_Sahib
He is the first black President of USA. His father was a Muslim but he is a Christian. Good man.
His mother worked in Pakistan for 4 years when he was young and he lived in Pakistan with his mother. He likes Pakistan very much and wants to solve problems between India and Pakistan.
IJay
member
O ALAMSHA
I TOLD YOU earlier WE WANTed FREEDOM WE TOOK IT FROM INDIA...
NOW DON'T CRY accept pakistan existence it will be good for you ...
@R.A.K:
"Finally, if you don't interact and listen to other's viewpoints, how will you come to know what others think or want to tell about Pakistan?"...
I have an insider's opinion of Pakistan, I do not need any other perception of What Pakistani's look like, thanks all the same RAK. If Pakistani's work for their betterment through every strata of society, Pakistan will become stable from the inside out. What India or anyone else thinks of these measures is rather irrelevant as far as domestic politics is concerned.
RAK, we relagate you to the dept. of foreign affairs only. We are a soverign nation.... leave our domestic issues alone. We are none to bothered with India's domestic issues (India's own Muslim population will/are causing enough headaches for the Hindu establishmnet).
mangotango
Member
I agree with point RAK is raising..... and I also believe it was Nehru who wanted Pakistan to be created more than Jinnah.
1. Divide and rule...
200m Muslims in Pakistan, 180m Muslims in Bangladesh and 200m Muslim in India all are nearly equally divided with height of animosity among themselves. I live in the west and if you speak to Bangalis they will tell you the hatred they have for Pakistan and how Pakistanis treat Bangalis everyone knows.... Indian Muslims are the left behind where infact struggle and most of the sacrifice was borned by Indian Muslim e.g. UP Bihar Dakan, where Muslim league had majority and unfortunately they could not become part of Pakistan....benefit only to Hindus to become majority
2. If there was undivided india Muslim would have been Muslims and not Sindhi Punjabi Bangali etc... in short a nation not a crowd
3. 600m muslims would not have been minority... no way.....I have lived in west for 6+ years where Muslims are around 1%
5. All the money spent on defence by whole of south asia in past 60 years would have actually been spent on welfare and development.... I am confident that un divided India would have been florishing long long back
6. Islam is not for certain area, ppl etc it is for whole world and we cant hide in land of our own to practice religion....strength of our faith is to practice within masses....When I was in Pakistan there was no challenge to my faith since I moved out I realised and understand what I believe and why I believe.....Muslims have to live and integrate without prejudice for anyone....if we had undivided india I am sure many of the Dalits would have converted to Islam without fears from RSS to be burnt
7. Honestly....I lov my homeland Pakistan but I always have feeling that creation of my homeland is actually on selfishness against ppl who were left behind to be slaves of Hindus.... watch program of Talat Hussain regarding condition of Muslims in India.... I believe this selfishness is in our ppl and leaders from day 1 and all leaders n ppl have always look for nothing but their SELFINTEREST
ppl can argue everyone had a chance and indian muslims chose not to move bla bla are all BS infact ask ur self the same question what would you u do with ur family if hundreds of thousands of ppl are being killed/ raped/ etc. etc. on migrating to pakistan... i will see how many will take risk.... even reality is if situation is bad in Pakistan we start to call our families/ money out of our dear homeland and not to travel to Pakistan....
Wht is done is done and I do not believe we can go back and join india now but we have to agree on facts. Apologise to Bangalis and Indian Muslims and give everyone an opportunity to join Pakistan.
Drop word 'Pakistani' and adopt Muslim to as our national identity and honour Quaid's vision and two nation theory
R.Alamsha Karnan
Member
My conclusion is partition was inevitable and who ever was responsible, Mr.Jinnah or Mr.Nehru, they knew the irreparable fault line and it was divided precisely on that line. Except Hyderabad, there was no fault line running across South India because of the regional language factor. The differences will be put to rest jointly by Hindus and Muslims very soon across India.
Had partition NOT happened, definitely multi-militant Islam would have spread like a hydra headed monster and taken over the region. Subcontinent would have become a boiling cauldron. The region would have been pushed back to stone ages and a bunch of militant leaders and feudal lords will be holding each others leg and would not allow the region to move forward. In this confusion and commotion, a great religion called Hinduism would have fell silent.
Hinduism brought sanity and good sense in the minds of Indian Muslims. I discovered the meaning of my faith Islam from Hinduism. Indian Muslims had to pay and continue to pay a heavy price for partition but they have gained tremendously in terms of the essential skills required to coexist and survive in a multi-cultural, multi-religious society. After all, they have survived against alienation and isolation for 60 years and have learnt great values from Hinduism. Today, they have reached the critical mass for self reliance and are getting aligned with Hindus as one nation. Indian Muslims are going to play a very important role in transforming the region.
Pakistani intellectuals are keenly observing India and are learning very fast. May be another 100 long marches will be required to drive mullahs back to their caves. It will happen and will bring peace and stability in Pakitan.
expakistani
Member
Had Pakistan NOT been created, what would have happened to India today........
Hum ( Hindu ur Muslim), pher bhi lartey rhatey....eik din Hindu zalimm hota doresy din Muslim....
shikra
Blocked
1. India was divided on the logic that the Hindus and the Muslims cannot live united.
Wrong.
They are living united in the UK, USA, Canada and several other parts of the globe.
2. If Hindus and Muslims hate each other why the Muslims and the Muslims hate and kill each other in Pakistan?
3. How many Muslims have been killed by the Muslims in Pakistan and Bangla Desh?
4. One must admit that the TWO Nation Theory was an emotional, unrealistic and bogus slogan.
5. Millions of the innocents Muslims will keep on suffering due to the Partition of India.
6. A strong and vital Muslim community of India was caged into three sections and compartments due to an International Conspiracy.
@Shikra,
with due respect i strongly disagree.
two nation theory is a thought has been proved right again n again.
whenever i heard about Ahmed abad gujarat riots .
i thanks Almighty Allah ...who gave our forefathers the vision of two nation theory .
i thank Allah for being a Pakistani.
as long as in other countries belongs ...
in other countries muslims or hindus both are living as a second citizen.
no ruler no master .
in india ..hindus wants to rule...
Muslims wants to lead life according to their own thought patterns and beliefs .
thats the main point of conflict.
thats how muslims came to know that they must have their own identity as a nation.
in india
indian muslims has no identity .
they have been called Indian Muslims.
here we have been called
Paksitani ....no qualifier is required for proving u that u r a muslim too.
it goes without saying....
i know very well how badly indian muslims has been suffering by so called secular Govt ?
most of my uncles and aunts live there as a second class citizen...
and they think of us Pakistanis as millionaires living a comparatively happier and definitely better life than them.
R.Alamsha Karnan
Member
@shikra
"They are living united in the UK, USA, Canada and several other parts of the globe".
They are a vibrant community in Gulf countries and living, partying happily together. They are either immigrants or expatriates in these countries and they got to behave properly.
"One must admit that the TWO Nation Theory was an emotional.."
It is a very simplistic view based upon history presented in school books. Since 1920's, India was getting polarised as Hindus,Muslims and Dalits under the leadership of Gandhi, Jinnah and B.R.Ambedkar.
The Dalit leader B.R.Ambedkar called for rununciation of Hinduism by Dalits and convert to Budhism or Islam or Christianity. He declared that he was born as a Hindu but will NEVER die as a Hindu. After partition, he went to Sri Lanka and embraced Budhism. Millions of Dalits also converted to Budhism.
The Muslim league avoided any deals or discussions with Mr.B.R.Ambedkar.
http://www.ambedkar.org/
http://www.ceeby.com/people/ambedkar.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar
http://x.pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic.php?id=3515
More than 60% of Muslims in the subcontinent are Dalit converts. Had partition NOT happened, Muslim+Dalit political nexus would have become inevitable and that is more than 75% of the population of undivided India any time. Let us NOT even talk about Dalit's threat to renounce Hinduism.
Partition saved Hinduism. Let us try to live as good neighbours. Any attempt to upset this fragile balance will again polarise the subcontinent as Muslims, Hindus and Dalits and the percentage of Hindus, Muslims and Dalits remains the same as it was before 60 years.
R.Alamsha Karnan
Member
@Beenai
"..two nation theory is a thought has been proved right again n again".
This is what i wanted to prove but with real political facts. Had partiton NOT happened, Hinduism would not have survived. If someone wants to know, how it survived for 1000 years under the rule of Mongolian and Persian emperors, it was because the caste system came handy for these invaders to manage their vast empire. In fact they appointed Brahmans as their ministers and preserved the great religion Hinduism intact with it's Varnashram dharma. They patronized art, music, dance and lived a lavish life which are prohibited in Islam. They never allowed any mullah to enter their courtyard.
Without the power of Hinduism, the subcontinent would have become a somalia and banana republic. Hinduism is responsible for whatever relative peace and calm prevails today. Nobody can do any damage for Pakistan unless they do it on themselves. The people of Pakistan must standup against mulladom and shun them in all walks of life. Learn from India and Indian model of governance alone can bail out Pakistan.
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