Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Good discussion, which gives TRUTH about our current tactical position in the region;
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This program gives us information which generates HOPE. Not only hope, but also it DRIVES us to move Pakistan towards getting better
Just like Muslim League has different groups, such as N,Q, Peer pagara etc, similarly there are different groups within establishment and Hameed Gul represents Zia baqiaat group of establishment, the so-called ghairat-o-hummiat group.
Allah hamari qoum ko Hameed Gul jaisay logo se nijaat dilaey.
Ameen!!
Migel9
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What a great patriot..May Allah give him a long life.
Great analytical mind, knows the american enemy like the back of his hand.My people Time to take a stand against this Jewish Christian Crusade against Islam..
Pakistan ZINDABADD.
There are lot of contradictions and logical negations at the Thesis, developed by Gen. Hameed Gul.
I pick up only two.
1. "The Western colonialism and Capitalism is at decline and the whole world is looking for a new System what only Islam could provide."
Historically Western countries innovated, invented and conceived a new Philosophy, Concept and Policy but never supported to retry an already failed System.
They have enough intellectual resources to create a precedent contrary to follow a precedent.
2. "China is at the back of Anti-American Agenda".
Gen. Sahib missed the point how an Islamic State (as he predicts) could go along with a Socialist Culture as a permanent partner?
Logically Pakistan, an Islamic State, would be a colony of Socialist China what Gen Hameed Gul is glad to accept.
Getting out of American Canopy and entering the Chinese Tent will be just like:
AAsman se Gira kajoor men atka!
Gen. Sahib starts his thesis from date back in 1992.
He has put very Methodological sequence of events steering towards the success of American Policy.
I would like to ask, who could stop what America has planned,since 1992, to achieve the goal where more than 50% of the screen play has been run according to the script, as General Sahib has disclosed.
I have reasons to draw between the lines that Gen. Hameed Gul is still protecting the American Agenda in this region but this time in a more smarter manner.
amin1924
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Sheikh sb is terming Islam as "an already failed System".
Let us study this phrase and see why a member lost faith in Islam and termed it failed?
We call communism failed because people rejected and stopped believing in it, but is this the case with Islam?
In Muslim world we don't see that people rejected Islam or stopped believing in it rather we see that people are suppressed and oppressed by puppet rulers who are supported by west.
Shock
Members
Hamid Gul's encounter with Bharat Verma at Meray Mutabiq was extremely embarrasing for Pakistan. The problem that we are facing today has a lot to do with policies formed when he was the ISI chief.
Revivalist
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JS,
At this stage of life when a person leaves his old thoughts can not concentrate well on what is being said. JS sahab, the only political party that is practically working for making pakistan and Islamic state (Khilafah) is HT, and if you could take some time out and study the agenda of HT, its not just working in pakistan or want an Islamic state that will confine to the boundaries set by the colonialists. Hence khilafah will not be a state only for the people of pakistan rather it will immediately annex Afghanistan and central Asia into it, and will be come a major power in the region. Therefore you whole theory of "would be a colony of Socialist China" falls down.
I wont blame you for such uninformed posts because you only rely on western propaganda materials, even to know about Islam you refer to them and not to the authentic sources, so it is obvious that you will refer to Islam as a “failed system”…
Revivalist
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shock,
Dear the encounter with Bharat was embarrassing because bharat has a govt backing his arguments while there wasn’t anything on the back of Hamid Gul. Bharat was targeting the policies and the sham full behaviour of the government of pakistan for which Hamid Gul was not responsible at all, as he is not the one to make and change policies. Hence in such encounters no matter how much intelligent and aware you are, you can’t argue well if your government is dishonest, corrupt and act like a puppet.
Shock
Members
@Revivalist
Dear, Hameed Gul was Zia-Ul-Haq's right hand man. Backing of government has nothing to do with this. He is not in the government now, but he was for a significant amount of time. If I take your argument, Musharraf is no longer in the government either, does that mean he is innocent? Bharat Verma made a point about the people Hameed Gul trained are now targeting the same institution that he belonged to.
amin1924
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Or take this by flipping it the other way.
Army is targeting the same people that it trained and supported, who initiated the operations?
Revivalist
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AS JJK said, who initiated all this and why? My point of government backing is how can Hamid Gul defend the policies of the current government which are not of its own rather are the result of single phone call where overnight the friends became enemy . The issue of Maoist is much more serious then this yet the Indian govt is dealing it as its internal issue and are not taking dictation from united snakes etc…
zia m
Member
Hamid Gul says "Pakistan's destiny is destiny of mankind."
Only a fool can make such a statement.
msohail83
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Ahmed Qureshi -- I hate his guts! Pathetic and disgusting. He used to host a show on PTV praising Musharraf day in and day out.
Hamid Gul is a strange character and always has a role in Pakistani politics to play behind the stage .
he is the most famous person as long as ISI is concerned.
but i some how do not like him,due to his back door politics .
guys who is hamid gul u don't know him but i know him he is very very very simple person he is one of them who never say pakistan will break he always creat hope for pakistani's like imran khan . he is a nice person he never play a role in bad politics he play a role for pakistan what is good for pak what is right or what is wrong he wants to tell peoples thats why u seen him other wise he never wants to be a politician .
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waleed tariq
waleed012@hotmail.com
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@javedsheikh: You are wrong. Pakistan could have done A LOT to stop US / the super power in its tracks.
If Muslims can start war with 2 super powers of their time, the Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, and WIN!!, when they didn't have other than Islam as their weapon to fight with, they can certainly shake every stone of the American Empire.
US / Nato is not as big and strong as YOU think.
1. Gen Hameed Gul has never explained the circumstances causing the Incident of Ojhari Camp, where a pile of Arms and Ammunitions was suspiciously destroyed to cover up something heinous.
2. As I mentioned earlier, the new Economic System or the New World Order could be a balanced blend of Capitalism, Socialism and Regional Economic Experiments.
3. Unfortunately, Muslim Scholars have failed to convince about the availability and feasibility of Economic System, what could fit the International fabric of 21st Century.
4. The synthesis as propounded by HT, as an 'Ideal Economic System' is a combination of Capitalism and Socialism, minus Interest, which also lacks a universal Consensus of Thought.
There are concerns, sharp differences and doubts among the files of Muslim Scholars about the practicality of the System.
5. The Western Pundits are not so stupid to ask for the revival of Gramophone where they feel to improve upon the Digital Sound Technology.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: Quaid-e-Azam said something of the same effect. How can you not call Quaid-e-Azam crazy then ? Why only Hamid Gul ?
It doesn't make sense
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@javedsheikh: Firstly, continuously! supporting BS! will not make it right. BS WILL! REMAIN! BS!
Secondly, I reject YOUR attempt at mudslinging on Hamid Gul. I don't respect leg pullers. Don't start with your irresistible urge to pull other's legs.
Thirdly, your attempt at speculation on part of financial system of NWO makes me s|ck! I don't understand how any person can intentionally speculate something wrong about something so important, which affects the lives of billions! of people world ?
Perhaps you are comfortable with intentionally hiding its pyramid like financial structure, in which the masses are enslaved to work for a handful of elite, on a global scale. Anyone who objects is instantly killed! in cold blood. Only a man with a s|ck! mind would think NWO will offer something good to humanity. NWO is a beast! of mass murder for ALL humanity, on a global scale. Even MANY! American leaders themselves! said this. I don't understand why or how you can support it as something good for humanity. I can not help but note you are very very s|ck! minded person.
Personally, I'm sorry to say this, but, I'v seen enough BS from you and your wife to be s|ck of you two.
Fourth, the western pundits ? The western pundits didn't even see the collapse comming. How do they have the credibility to talk about something so serious as the future's financial system when they couldn't even see the comming of greatest! depression in human history ? They should ALL be HANGED! in OPEN PUBLIC for miss-leading! masses in US. You'r preaching THOSE pundits in-front of me? I can't find words to detest you and your points of view.
Fifth, Muslims scholars have failed ? They haven't even started yet. HOW can they fail ? Who has talked to them about it ? When did their said information was brought to mass media ? WHEN was their given proposals given media attention ?
Whatever, has been done in the last 10 years, has NOT been good for Pakistan. In-fact it has not been good for the rest of the world as well. Why ? Because trillions! of dollars were spent on WAR industry, on financing wars based on falsehood!. I never see you detesting that. I never see you talking about those trillions! of dollars which HAVE affected billions! of people worldwide. This same money could have been spent to benefit humanity on a global scale.
EVERYONE knows this. WE have NO reason to continue with it. Since you'r supporting the same, I don't understand why the larger part of the society doesn't detest you two.
Lastly, only YOU maintain the lie that Islam's financial system failed. I oppose YOUR point of view. But that is another topic for another thread.
I have listened to Jurnail Hamid Gul on several programs that Jimmy Carter is from Alabama but he is not. Can you let him know that Jimmy is a native of Georgia. By repeating such misinformation his other statements become less reliable.
amin1924
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lolzz... but he was a peanut farmer and zia's saying that these are peanuts had dual meaning.
amin1924
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sheikh sb,
I think a person of your age should know that in the field of philosophy & science time is irrelevant. Political philosophy discussed thousands of year ago is still considered a good model in todays 'digital' world, I hope you know what I am referring to?
Islam's guidance is quite contemporary and advance as compared with other philosophical models.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@pkpilao: Why are you starting an argument about something so insignificant as this! ?
You'r attempting mud-slinging. I question your motives.
Don't! try to defocus this discussion (period!)
@ Hariskhan,
Please come up with some decent, non personal, non sarcastic and sensible language.
You are at an Opinion and Discussion Forum, where One Way Traffic is against the Rules what might cause a blockage of progress.
Gen. Hameed Gul might be correct upon his analysis, but unfortunately, I failed to understand his approach.
I can't support what I don't believe.
To your last sentence, every system has its time and life. Every system Collapses if not constantly maintained, renewed and improved.
The pages of History starting from the chapters about Rise and Fall of Roman Empire to the decline of Communism and Capitalism, could help to understand the philosophy related to the flow of Ideology.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Sheikh sb. Is this the way you conduct yourself? NEVER! on anything concrete ? ALWAYS in terms of speculation ?
Progress? What progress ?
I don't understand, how your speculation about the current as well as the NWO's financial system helps humanity ? I use the word humanity because it will be something that will affect the lives of billions of people ALL across the world.
Speculation is a means of deception!
There's nothing wrong with his approach, the facts that he is presenting, etc etc.
Sheikh sb. its not his approach that you don't like. From your statements I can deduce, you generally don't! want humanity to make progress. You oppose EVERYTHING! that benefits humanity and let me repeat that word -> EVERYTHING!. You are happy with the way things are moving along today. In-fact you like it the way it is.
You intentionally fail to ponder, to look deeper, to see the wisdom behind it. You look at the cosmetics.
No offense to the Jurnail but wrong information becomes a part of history later on. These people are amongst the top 0.01% of population at a leadership position. They should be extra careful in saying even minor facts. Imagine if allowed how incorrect information would have affected our faith.
amin1924
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Discussion of the subject or analysis of general on the subject is one thing and discussion of general's past is another.
I think we should discuss the subject and provide counter analysis if anyone has any. Let us see if anyone can provide counter analysis to Gen Gul.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I like it when Hamid Gul says 'Americans should attacks us, rather than playing this hide and seek game'.
Why ? Because it'll help Pakistanis' CRYSTAL CLEARLY know! their enemy. Right now, Pakistanis' are finding excuses to hide behind, to ignore the issue. Once our enemy is defined! it'll be easy to formulate a strategic plan to counter the threat.
amin1924
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Unfortunately, people who are at key posts acknowledge this reality but do their best to keep people attention diverted.
One day brigadier billa comes out of the bag and keeps people busy, other day sugar crisis comes up, next day NRO's future is on the table.
So there are many cards to keep people occupied while they fulfill the assigned tasks.
It is like asking if Zulekha was male or female after reading the whole book on Yousaf-Zulekha.
Gen. Hamid Gul has well defined that America is the real enemy of Pakistan and has already attacked through Drones.
What else is required to detect the enemy?
As the enemy has been traced, Pakistan should not wait and waste time to launch an attack on America.
Are we ready to go?
amin1924
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Anyone else with any analysis on the subject?
SufiSoul
Member
The term used by Taliban as "Majbooristan" is the real one to understand the Pakistani stance..
Next is Usama and Mush have the same frequency for Americans to send army.I am 110% agreed with this planning to Kill the evil like this engaging him for long in this war.
Actually wes hould not focus the personalities like Gen Hameed Gul but to understand an issue we should ponder upon the facts to gain max from the analysis at the forum.
One thing i must say that Fittest have every say out their.
The defeat over here to NATO+US is military+Economic.
And united muslim assets is the GROUP of global Jihad OR shadow Army from Muslims.This army is and in future will gain more power to have their say with on the table with Big Players of the future like china.
The chinese sinkyang resistence is started for the same future purpose to contain china in real terms.
The future for the capitalists is dark and we can find movements from Japan and hidden agenda to through out Dollar.This is start of the end for this system on-board.
In future using the resources from these collapsed economies of west and from muslim countries this GLOBAL JIHAD(Al-Qaida) will be refreashed to settle matters at own possible terms.
Muslim world spread and resources are their to get benefitted from and by adding the resources and help from current enemy of muslims(NATO<US) china remains a soft target for the muslims in future.
May be temporarily china is given the room to establish current system in china as a symbol within countries but It will never be possible for china and allies to have a grip over the world like we faced from Americans and west..
The expertise and confidence and faith gained from USSR defeat and NOW US defeat is something to be planned and improved day by day as a safety lock for the Muslims in future.
I can sum up and see some temporary silence after US defeat but again the china and Allies are thier to cope with and take care of them,by muslims shadow army.
Another seen will be pussing back and complete destruction efforts from china and Allies against West+US block.
This tussel actually is the real oppertunity for muslims to take care of the china and allies with the help of weak US+west block..
So the story is started from Russia+US and so on.....And i would like to say and thank ALLAH that we have a global Jihad Forum to help and to save our Interests...
Regards,
Pakistanis routinely continue to deny the fact that the monsters who are behind all the faithful barbarism that is cutting this country into bits are the mutant product of what our governments, military, intelligence agencies, and society as a whole have been up to in the past 30 years or so.
http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/a-nation-of-sleepwalkers/
How strange.
I thought the U.S has been meddling, bribing/buying Pakistan since 1951?!?!?!? This is not news but historical as well as present day fact.
Pak is in free-fall. Perhaps not at 2000ft/min, slower, but free-fall none-the-less.
I tend to agree with AHR.
ISI - deviant, manipulative, player of multiple games simultaneously and right now these games are having a murderous effect on our citizens.
Army - now a power-hungry oligarch. With tenticles in every sector in the country.. feigning the role of 'Prince on white horse' as it comes to 'rescue' the people from corrupt civilians, when actually it is damaging the fabric of political society.
Govt - no comment, we all know how desperate for wealth and all other vices known to man are incorporatde to form Pak govt.
This void within the country, poor governance, blurring of the lines of political power has been the cause of the chaos we see today. Simply put, there are so many things wrong with the way the country has been governed and the personalities that we have had the misfortune to call leaders, that we are dictated to by US, UK, IMF, WB, ngo's, USAID and endless charity organizations.
I see Pakistan, today a country on its knees due to illness. If the prescriptions are not seriously considered and implemented, our nation will be over-run by either puritanical Islamists on the one hand or puppet rulers as we have seen to-date and are observing in our neighbour state.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
*sigh* you educated people. You constantly talk about symptoms and not the ROOT CAUSE.
@AHR: Who are you blaming ? Why don't you make it clear? If I were you, I'd blame Pak Army, not these groups of people. These groups of people helped Pak Army for good causes. Pak Army was the one that 'used' them and 'abused' them, and then started fighting military operations against them, at least they 'pose' to be doing it.
I am blaming both the ISI and the Army for the situation we are in today. Firstly, we supported the Taliban which is fe root cause of our problem today. If you want to brig the US and blame them, certainly they played their role as well. But if we blame the US then I blame the army and ISI even more for allowing the US to exploit us. Surely we weren't and aren't as weak a nation that we had to bow down to US pressure during the time of the Soviets. But alas Uncle Sam dangled his dollars and persons in the establishment were more than happy to gobble it up. Either for personal purposes or for our infamous nuclear bomb. Some in the establishment who held higher postings such as directors and chiefs of various institutions went even further and tried to sell nuclear technology to our neighbours. So I believe along with our support and quick US withdrawal are cause of our misery today. But never forget Zia who was a military man and what he did to our country and Musharraf who supported the "jihadists" because he was obssessed with Kashmir!
My history may be bad or my facts wrong. I have never heard anythng good about Hameed Gul or Mirza Aslam Beg. What would be good arguments in regards to these two gentlemen if one had to protect them? And I hope people saw the telecast of the Fort Hood memorial. That is how a country should respect and love it's men in uniform. That is how a country is united. They may be split politically, but when it comes to their soldiers, everything becomes secondary.
Here we have to agree with AHR.
Your observations are correct. Hameed Gul, Mirza Aslam Beg and others like them are shady figures.
The unity you have pointed out is certainly missing from our RANK and FILE including our 'influenced' civilian elite.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Its there job to be shady figures. What else do you expect from guys working in a secret agency ? You never know who's loyalty has flipped, especially among civilians.
We Pakistanis' have sold ourselves for zan, zar, zameen (in urdu) on EVERY turn of history in the past. We are STILL! doing it.
Taliban have a VERY SMALL number of Paksitanis' in them. Pakistanis' ALWAYS FORGET the large number of Afghanis' which constitute Taliban.
Taliban are NOT! the root cause of problems. Taliban are well on their way to re-asserting their government in Afghanistan with or without your (Pakistani) support.
Taliban didn't loot their nation -> Afghanistan. They lived as ordinary people did. Be it Mullah Omar or any other, they ALL ate the same food, lived in the same clothes like the rest of Afghanistan.
Taliban implemented speedy justice system, because of which, EVERY criminal was punished within the same day. Do you think those who have the character of a criminal do these things ?
Can we say this for rulers of Pakistan ? Be them from Army or Civilians ?
HELL!!! NO!!!
You (Pakistanis') allowed US to pile up their heavy duty arms, ammunition in Pakistan, which now US plans to use against Pakistan.
You (Pakistanis') committed the worst! treason against them, by allowing US to go to Afghanistan through Pakistani soil, by STILL!! allowing US to run its military supplies through your land, and they haven't retaliated against you even once in the last decade.
YOU (Pakistanis') should be thankful! to them. You owe! your existence to them. If they wouldn't have crippled USSR, and now US financially and militarily, US would have done far worse with Pakistan.
Taliban are NOT! the problem. The problem is Pak Army. Pak Army is afraid of fighting wars. Pak Army Generals are scared of death, because they'v enjoyed too much of zan, zar, zameen (in urdu) in the last 60+ years.
The ROOT CAUSE is ZERO!! ACCOUNTABILITY of how Pakistan's tax money is spent. Where and how Army spends it, where the civilian leadership, bureaucracy, ministers, etc etc spend it.
THAT! is the ROOT CAUSE.
We lost East Pakistan to India because of ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY. At the time, Pak Army personel were engaged in shameful! acts and there was ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY against it.
The ROOT CAUSE is;
1) ZERO!! ACCOUNTABILITY within Pakistan
2) we Pakistanis' allow indiscriminate usage of;
- Pakistani tax money
- Zakaat money
No one in Pakistan cares, where Pakistan's collected tax money is spent. The rich are not taxed. The poor is grilled! till the last drop is taken out of them.
The 'invisible (Intelligence)' and 'visible governments (elected)' all over the world enjoy a 'hand in glove' relations and so does former imperial colonies either as dictatorships or sham democracies but with a difference.
The 'now independent but than a colony/slave' are still not so independent as of yet. They still operate 'with strings attached' and pulled to function, from abroad.(Both military and civilian elites). This remains true to the core in case of Pakistan!
Accountability in Pakistan would be established only when Pakistan will free itself from the 'still in effect' penal code system that was actually an effective tool of the colonials helping them to rule over parts of world they managed to colonize.
I belive Mr. Hameed Gul to be one of the many who played his part as a mere pawn on the Imperial/Capatalist chessboard.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Why haven't the parliamentarians abolished this penal code and issued a new one which is according to OUR ways, OUR customs ?
Politicians HAVE ruled over Pakistan for 25+ out of the last 62+ years.
WHAT have they done for Pakistan in that time ?
@hariskhan
You could not be more wrong! I am usually not this direct but when you come out in a public forum and exclaim that Taliban are not the problem then I have no reason to not answer it directly. Firstly, it is highly unfortunate that, you, the educated class believe that Taliban are not the problem and articulate that people like Hameed Gul need to be shady because of their positions. I am sure you meant they require to be behind the scenes which is fine. But when these characters control our foreign policy and look to earn extra cash by selling nuclear technology and promote a jihadist ideology to kill innocents people, then I am sorry it is wrong! I expect guys in a secret agency, to work with honesty and accountability. Not a "shady" work ethic.
Secondly, please do not generalize. We Pakistani's have done no wrong. If our political and military elite have done wrong, do not blame the masses. If anything feel sorry for the masses and work to bring them out of this whirlpool we are stuck in. Pakistani's have done no wrong!
I pray to Allah that the Taliban do not come back to power. They are ruthless leaders who have done nothing but harm the lives of thousands of patriotic Afghanis. They have no right to do so, they are not elected officials, they have not been chosen by their people and have no authority to be in charge. They are a bunch of thugs and drug lords who do nothing but produce hashish, sell them in the open market, ruin the lives of millions of human beings who consume drugs and treat people unequally. What authority do the Taliban have to tell me that my mother or sister or daughter cannot work? If the Prophet's (PBUH) wife was a businesswoman, who are we to not allow women or even support those men who do not allow women to work? Who are the Taliban to tell me that I have to grow a beard or I can be hung from a lamp-post? Show me in which ayah or surah in the Quran where it states that men require beards. Show me in the Quran where it states that my pants or shalwar needs to be above my ankles! The Taliban have taken everything away from what Islam stands for! Killing of innocents, inequality of gender, forceful practice of Islam are only a few of many issues that the Taliban conduct which is in complete opposition to Islam. Islam was the only religion that was not spread by the sword, and now we have a bunch of goons telling me how to practice my religion by wielding AK-47s? The Taliban did not live like ordinary people! I am sorry, he who does not know how to respect his mother or wife, sister or daughter is not ordinary. Who gave them the right to implement punishment?
Never for a second forget that the Taliban were being defeated at the hands of the USSR. It was only after the US provided arms and ammunition, and Pakistan provided the intel upon which they were able to succeed. Alone Taliban were like sitting ducks, just waiting to be slaughtered at the hands of the Russians.
Pakistan Army has been wrong in the past, however, the reason why they have been wrong is because they supported these militants once the Russians left. Secondly, the Pakistan Army has meddled far to deep into our politics which is always messy. Pakistan Army has also played a part in exploiting ethnic lines in Pakistan.
I agree with you on one factor that we need accountability. We do need to be able to account for where our money is going and how taxes are being spent. We need to look and rectify this issue. But please hariskhan, you are educated, you do have the ability to think outside of the box, there is no way you can support people whose only purpose to live is to cement their own authority by waving guns in public and flogging those whose beard is not long enough or shalwar is not high enough. Pakistan Paindabad!
gv
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@ahr
at last -- a breath of fresh air!!!
thanks for that !!! much needed in this forum which is fast becoming saturated with conspiracy theories and apologists for murderous militants...
gv
Member
@ AHR,
Your article carries so many convincing and logical points, what are needed to be considered with patience and prudence.
Majority of Pakistanis wish to live a peaceful life.
I feel bad where some educated writers support the establishment of State within a State, through force and coercion, against the will of majority.
amin1924
member
AHR,
Please don't be upset, situation and ground reality do not match up with your emotional essay; furthermore it lacks facts and relies on fictions.
@JJKhan
There is nothing to be upset about, I don't have a gun in my hand forcing you to see the way I perceive the current situation in Pakistan. Honestly, if you have a logical counter argument, I can work with that. But if it's just the same old rhetoric of "common sense", and one that cannot be backed up with evidence, that is where I lose patience. What facts are you talking about though? Or what statements do you disagree with in the essay above? (Although I wasn't planning it being an essay!)
amin1924
member
Overall it lacks facts and contradicts reports by international institutes:
For example, review below and tell us how you came up with these arguments?
1-"..earn extra cash by selling nuclear technology and promote a jihadist ideology to kill innocents people, "
2-"..harm the lives of thousands of patriotic Afghanis."
3-"They are a bunch of thugs and drug lords who do nothing but produce hashish, sell them in the open market, ruin the lives of millions of human beings.."
4-"Never for a second forget that the Taliban were being defeated at the hands of the USSR..."
Just some points among many other...
1) I have a few books that assert this particular fact.
2) Harmed the lives of Afghani's by not allowing FDIs or other forms of investment. Health care was minimal. Afghani women were not granted the freedom Islam provides.
3)The production of opium was the primary source of income for the Taliban regime (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rs21041.pdf) Drugs have a negative externality, and I don't think it's necessary to go into the the effects of drugs on human beings.
4)This again is very true, after all the Stinger missiles were US supplied that took down USSR choppers. Charlie Wilson's war is a good movie to better understand the role of Pakistan and the United States. I therefore do stand by my argument; had Pakistan and the United States not interfered, USSR would have defeated the Taliban.
amin1924
member
Good to have books, but:
Which investments are you referring? Why health care was minimal?
Also consult reports on opium when the order was established in afghanistan, you seem to lack updates.
When were stingers provided and what was status of war before this supply?
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