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Hasina's Father Was Killed By The Frustrated Bengalis Themselves Not Pakistanis

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  1. Hussain Farooqui

    The father of the PM of Bangladesh was killed by the frustrated Bengalis themselves. Shaikh Mujeeb Ur Rehman's rhetoric claims about bringing euphoria in Bangladesh after the liberation pursued starvation, disorder and lawlessness. The public hopes were very high about Mujeeb, but when the people found the facts to be otherwise, they killed the leader who deceived them with his rhetoric claims of creating euphoria.

    Posted 9 months ago on 20 Dec 2013 5:56 #
  2. imtiazahmed

    Hussain Farooqui saheb: Present uproar in (present) Pakistan is on the hanging of Mullah. As far as Sheikh Mujib's assassination is concerned it was done by their Army Chief Ziaur Rehman's companions. Such political assissinations happen in many countries either by Army men or their civil touts. Kennedy, Liaquat Ali Khan, Indira Gandhi, Rajev Gandhi as well - there is a long list.

    Posted 9 months ago on 20 Dec 2013 6:06 #
  3. Hussain Farooqui

    imtiazahmed sahab

    My nephew visited Bangladesh some time back. He met nos. of Bengali intellectuals. The expressed poor opinion about Mujeeb. According to them, if Mujeeb had been given the charge of the whole of Pakistan after the elections of 1971 he would have been exposed with all his failures. According to the Bengali intellectuals, our inadequate behavior with Mujeeb made him the hero of Bengalis.

    Posted 9 months ago on 20 Dec 2013 6:16 #
  4. Shirazi

    Sh. Mujib was charismatic political figure but he failed miserably when it comes to governance. He not only over promised but also double downed by introducing dictatorial measures including life long Presidency through constitutional amendment. The junior military officers who assassinated had no choice but to give him glorious farewell like our Khulfa e Rashdeen. That's how life long contracts are terminated.

    Posted 9 months ago on 20 Dec 2013 9:43 #
  5. Hussain Farooqui

    While expressing hatred against Pakistan she does not care to note how unpopular her father had become after his failure to deliver goods to his people.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 5:34 #
  6. Sharif Aadmi

    HF ,

    Its quite immaterial that what have happened had Mujeeb been given total pakistan. Important point is that he had all the legitimate claim to rule the whole pakistan which was unjustifiably denied.

    Shirazi ,

    Mujeeb's failure is not our problem . He got a war torn country occupied by external forces, a nation butchered by worst massacre after holocaust and survivied only 3 years.

    On the other side , his dictatorial style can't be endorsed as well.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 7:02 #
  7. Hussain Farooqui

    Bohat Hee Shareef Aadmi

    " Important point is that he had all the legitimate claim to rule the whole pakistan which was unjustifiably denied."

    I took care of your point in one of the above posts. Please read that. If Mujeeb had been given power by our Bahadur Gen. Yahaya Khan, his failures had surfaced very shortly and then he could lose his popularity in East Pakistan as well. The situation would not deteriorate so badly if our bahadur generals had made some sensible decisions.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 7:21 #
  8. Sharif Aadmi

    HF,

    What u r saying about mujeeb's failure is absolutely hypothetical?

    Lets not talk about what didn't happen. Our subject should be what happened and what we did :)

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 9:22 #
  9. Hussain Farooqui

    Yar Shareef Aadmi

    I think you are not following my words carefully. I am endorsing most of your views. I am not denying most of your views.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 10:15 #
  10. imtiazahmed

    Mujib's only political mistake was that he declared himself as lifetime Preisdent and introduced one party rule (Awami League). I totally agree with Sharif Adami saheb that we should avoid suppositions of ifs and buts. It is also acceptable that a nation torn by historical civil war of independence, millions lost their lives, and we expect miracles from Bangla Bandhu - and that too in three years. Destruction takes days, construction takes years.

    The difference between Pakistan and Bangladesh is that all military conspirators in killing of Mujib were brought in the court of justice and almost all were executed. Nothing of that sort happens in Pakistan. Army is a holy cow.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 10:25 #
  11. Hussain Farooqui

    imtiazahmed sahab

    "It is also acceptable that a nation torn by historical civil war of independence, millions lost their lives, and we expect miracles from Bangla Bandhu - and that too in three years. Destruction takes days, construction takes years."

    Pakistan was also in ruins after the fall of Dhaka. Our economy was in shatters, 90,000 soldiers were imprisoned and the nation was badly disgruntled. ZA Bhutto found a way out to rescue Pakistan. I reckon Bhutto's decision of nationalization policy as very disastrous but he somehow proved his capability by rescue Pakistan from a stranded position.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 10:33 #
  12. hypocrite

    India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and many of the under developed countries dilemma is:

    a) Rule of power rather than rule of fairness (be it by military, civilian dictator, feudal, industrialist or a goon).

    b) Lack of equal, fair and quick justice.

    c) Lack of economic opportunities which forces majority of its nationals to remain subservient to those who have any sort of power.

    d) Corruption (by elites as well as those who are not elites)

    e) Too much reliance on external forces (both Divine and non-divine) rather than on its on resources, capabilities and people.

    f) Too much of emotion and very little of logic.

    g) Interest in interfering in matters of others despite their own issues and lack of standing.

    If we look at the last 50 years or so, we will fine that most or all of these factors have affected the growth and prosperity of these nations.

    Posted 9 months ago on 21 Dec 2013 13:42 #
  13. BitterTruth

    Was Jinnah's fate very much different from Mujeeb?

    Was'nt his stay like imprison in Ziyaraat residency and later left unattended to death on Shahra-e-Faisal - Karachi in an ambulance without fuel?

    Posted 9 months ago on 22 Dec 2013 7:59 #
  14. Sweettruth

    @BitterTruth

    Good point about Mr. Jinnah

    Interestingly, none of his extended family members migrated with him except his sister.

    What a way to die - in the middle of Shahra-e-Faisal without any medical help and without family members.

    Posted 9 months ago on 22 Dec 2013 18:15 #
  15. Gujjar Talwar

    "What a way to die - in the middle of Shahra-e-Faisal without any medical help and without family members."

    This is not correct. Quad-e-Azam made it to his residence and died later:

    http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?150517-The-Last-moments-of-Quaid-e-Azam-as-told-by-his-Doctor

    Posted 9 months ago on 22 Dec 2013 18:43 #
  16. Hussain Farooqui

    We can't rule out a possibility that Mr. Jinnah was also a victim of some conspiracy, but he remained a heroic personality in view of the majority unlike Mujeeb Ur Rehman. A dynamic personality like Mr.Jinnah can't be equated with Mujeeb Ur Rehman.

    Posted 9 months ago on 23 Dec 2013 5:17 #
  17. سلیمان ڈار

    Both Mujeeb and Bhutto were traitors and the architects of the debacle of 1971 and eventually met the fate what they both truly and equally deserved.

    Posted 9 months ago on 23 Dec 2013 5:45 #
  18. Hussain Farooqui

    Hasina always opens the barrage of hatred against Pakistan with exaggerated figures while ignoring the shortcomings of her own father. Her father was punished by the frustrated Bengalis.

    Excesses were definitely committed by our colonial mindset army generals, but Hasiana is using very exaggerated figures while boosting hatred against Pakistan.

    Posted 9 months ago on 23 Dec 2013 9:53 #
  19. imtiazahmed

    Hussain Farooqui saheb: You are repeatedly imposing your personal opinion that Mujeeb was killed by "frustrated people of Bangladesh". You are fully entitled to own your personal opinion but in doing so please do not taint the history. Mujib was killed by Military janta that was aspiring their rule like military in Pakistan always aspire to rule the country. Now in all probability the culture of civil rule and military under their reign looks like having prevailed in Bangladesh. Mujib is still the icon and father of Bangladeshi nation. Awami League still won overwhelmingly in the last election and Hasina Wajid is the Prime Minister. I wonder why you are shifting the criminal act of some ambitious generals of Bangladesh on the shoulders of common men of the country. About frustration of the people, tell me any third world country where people are not frustrated.

    As a good sportsman, we should accept that we did not give their rights in United Pakistan when Awami League swept the election in 1953 and imposed sec.93 and imposed West Pakistani tout governship. The same mentality was tried to impose when Awami League won 1970 election, but at that point in time, international forces jumped in the arena including India.

    The long and short story of East Pakistan is that it is no more East Pakistan, but has turned into a sovereign Muslim country by the name of Bangladesh, in which country, if you want to enter you will have to apply for visa and submit your passport for the same. Mujib was hero or zero is their headache, it is no more ours.

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 7:57 #
  20. BitterTruth

    The long and short story of East Pakistan is that it is no more East Pakistan, but has turned into a sovereign Muslim country by the name of Bangladesh, in which country, if you want to enter you will have to apply for visa and submit your passport for the same. Mujib was hero or zero is their headache, it is no more ours.

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    @imtiazahmed bhai

    Very nice comment indeed.

    With due respect to HF bhai, most of our countryman try to hide the misdeed of that time power authority either by blaming india or highlighting mukti bhani and sometime referring fate of Mujeeb ur Rehman to avoid discussion over our own brutility and failure.

    We can just mislead our forthcoming generations but can't change history by uproaring concocted theories regarding incident.

    Election results are witnessed that Mujeeb was the hero for the 2/3rd majority of the united pakistan. period.

    Only an admanat fool can deny the popularity of freedom leader who liberated his nation from biased, unfair and barbaric mindset.

    Linking murder of Mujeeb with his popularity among his nation, can also raise same question over popularity of Liquat Ali Khan wihtin pakistan and many other international leaders who were assassinated in thier own country e.g Lincoln, JFK, Gandhi, Shah Faisal and etc. (including 3 righteous caliphs especially when niether of India, USA or Isreal were exist to blame)

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 9:26 #
  21. Hussain Farooqui

    As I expressed earlier, the excesses made upon the people of the former East Pakistan are undeniable. The role of the colonial mindset army and colonial mindset civil service was instrumental in rising of a superficial person like Mujeeb Ur Rehman as the hero of the Bengali people.

    In Zia's regime, a failed politician like Altaf Hussain availed the opportunity established as a result of inaction of JI over the mass massacres of Karachi. Despite being a man of no caliber, Altaf became an indispensable leader of Karachi. Despite public displeasure over the criminal activities of MQM, there is no substitute of MQM in Karachi.

    I request Mr.Imtiazahemed and BT Bhai to view Mujeeb's personality in view the above example. If Altaf comes back to Pakistan, he will meet a fate similar to that of Mujeeb.

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 10:21 #
  22. imtiazahmed

    Husssain Farooqui saheb: Now this is your sane comment, but it is not pertinent to the topic you have drafted.

    Yes, JI was a popular political party in Karachi, but they did not do anything good for Karachites. Instead, with the full back of army, at that point in time, they inflicted terrorism in colleges and universities. They killed and harassed their opponents so much so that Altaf Hussain had to close down his Muhajir Student Organization. This gave birth to MQM and Altaf Hussain decided to answer the terrorism with terrorism. And he succeeded big time, he almost eradicated JI and Jamiat from Karachi. The terror of Jamiat-e-Tulba in Karachi fizzled out in thin air.

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 12:01 #
  23. J.A.Khan

    Imtiazahmad Saheb

    Absolutely so.

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 12:05 #
  24. Gujjar Talwar

    Predictably amazing unison in ethnic chauvinists!

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 15:40 #
  25. Sweettruth

    Who killed Mujeeb?

    Some Right wing religious-crazy junior officers with the help of senior officers.

    Posted 9 months ago on 24 Dec 2013 19:36 #
  26. BitterTruth

    I request Mr.Imtiazahemed and BT Bhai to view Mujeeb's personality in view the above example. If Altaf comes back to Pakistan, he will meet a fate similar to that of Mujeeb.

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    @HF bhai,

    If you dragged MQM, JI and Karachi in debate then do you remember in 1993 the same mindset (who have denied Mujeeb's mandate) tried to seized the mandate of M(ohjir)QM by forcing them to boycott the NA election, situation were not diferent than the 1971 but some intelligents (from power pillars) avoided the situation by giving space to MQM during PA election (after few days) and accepting karachi's manadate and subsequently after receiving respect for its mandate MQM later joined national stream by changing its name to M(uttahida)QM and avoiding ethinic slogans and policies.

    Dont you think that credit goes to those power authority who avoided the situation by accepting people's mandate which encourged an openly ethinic group to join a national politics?

    And if the situation were not taken seriously and intelligently 1993 and use of force and crushing policy were not avoided, TO WHOM you would have blamed for situation similar to 1971 in urban sindh (either MQM or power authority and their abettors i.e. JI)?

    Mishape of 1971 could have been handled and avoided similarly as of 1993.

    Irrespect of personalities of Mujeeb and Altaf, anyone will react in same manner at last.

    ظلم پھر ظلم ہے ‘بڑھتا ہے تو مٹ جاتا ہے ۔ ساحر

    Saher has written that popular peotry but did not explain how? but history is witnessed Iron sharpens Iron.

    Every action has equal and opposit reaction - you can't blame reaction as it always reflects your action.

    Posted 9 months ago on 25 Dec 2013 6:05 #
  27. J.A.Khan

    Karachi deserves and demands a solution based upon lessons not learnt from history yet. Sooner or later Karachi will have to be acknowledged as a province if not willing lose Pakistan altogether. I think the only way to keep the current Pakistan united is to create more provinces with total provincial atononmy. On other hand this suggestion will remain only a wishful thinking as long Pakistan remains a RANDDI of current nototious mafias.

    Posted 9 months ago on 25 Dec 2013 16:30 #
  28. hypocrite

    Strange that a nation created in the name of religion and with a single religion majority cannot stay united and needs to have internal divisions based on all sort of other factors.

    Humans require justice, equality and freedom. Give them these three and they don't require anything of their own. Division after division is not the solution of our ills. Our society requires some serious reforms and very soon.

    Posted 9 months ago on 25 Dec 2013 16:37 #
  29. J.A.Khan

    In extreme situations even families are divided. This is a vast country called Pakistan which was conceived in the "name of Islam" which is nowhere to be found in Pakistan. Furthermore, where can these three thing i.e. justice, equality and freedom befound in Islamic world? Not even in Nabi's holy land Saudi-Arabia. According to Islam all of Muslims should be under one Islamic flag, but we are not. Why not? By the way, why the beduins of Middle East of those days helped Lawrence of Arabia as their hero to crush Saltanat-e-Usmania? My friends, it's very easy to talk in such a way as a fashion talk only. We have to learn to come out of our limited and unrealistic verbals. Thanks for sharing the views.

    Posted 9 months ago on 25 Dec 2013 17:04 #
  30. ItemSharif

    @Hussain Farooqui:

    -----Shaikh Mujeeb Ur Rehman's rhetoric claims about bringing euphoria in Bangladesh after the liberation pursued starvation, disorder and lawlessness.-----

    Simple yardstick to measure this rhetoric is, is Bangladesh doing better then Pakistan since it's independence? If so, Mujib is delivering even after his death.

    -----Excesses were definitely committed by our colonial mindset army generals, but Hasiana is using very exaggerated figures while boosting hatred against Pakistan.---

    This is politics, she is doing what keep her in power. Once she start lecturing about ethics, she might change her tone.

    -----In Zia's regime, a failed politician like Altaf Hussain availed the opportunity established as a result of inaction of JI over the mass massacres of Karachi. Despite being a man of no caliber, Altaf became an indispensable leader of Karachi. Despite public displeasure over the criminal activities of MQM, there is no substitute of MQM in Karachi.---

    Quite an achievement from a "failed politician" to become "indispensable leader of Karachi". Think what he would have done if he was "successful" ;)
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    **** Admin, I PMed earlier to get the member status, as commentator it's difficult to engage in conversation as I can not post comments back to back.

    Posted 9 months ago on 25 Dec 2013 19:47 #
  31. Hussain Farooqui

    BT Bhai

    "If you dragged MQM, JI and Karachi in debate then do you remember in 1993 the same mindset (who have denied Mujeeb's mandate) tried to seized the mandate of M(ohjir)QM by forcing them to boycott the NA election, situation were not diferent than the 1971 but some intelligents (from power pillars) avoided the situation by giving space to MQM during PA election (after few days) and accepting karachi's manadate and subsequently after receiving respect for its mandate MQM later joined national stream by changing its name to M(uttahida)QM and avoiding ethinic slogans and policies."

    Absolutely right, the savagery committed through one of the murgas (Naseerullah Baber) of the 1971 surrender inflicted a irreparable damage to the political and social fabric of Karachi. After being committed inhuman excesses MQM resorted to become a criminal organization. The similar mistakes and blunders of 1971 situation were repeated no doubt. Despite no substantial basis, MQM became an indispensable political power of Karachi. Similar was the story of Awami League and Mujeeb. They became popular because of the excesses committed by the colonial mindset army generals.

    Posted 9 months ago on 26 Dec 2013 5:40 #

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