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  1. Migel9
    Member

    By John Pilger

    Here is news of the Third World War. The United States has invaded Africa. US troops have entered Somalia, extending their war front from Afghanistan and Pakistan to Yemen and now the Horn of Africa. In preparation for an attack on Iran, American missiles have been placed in four Persian Gulf states, and “bunker-buster” bombs are said to be arriving at the US base on the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

    In Gaza, the sick and abandoned population, mostly children, is being entombed behind underground American-supplied walls in order to reinforce a criminal siege. In Latin America, the Obama administration has secured seven bases in Colombia, from which to wage a war of attrition against the popular democracies in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Paraguay. Meanwhile, the secretary of “defence” Robert Gates complains that “the general [European] public and the political class” are so opposed to war they are an “impediment” to peace. Remember this is the month of the March Hare.

    According to an American general, the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is not so much a real war as a “war of perception”. Thus, the recent “liberation of the city of Marja” from the Taliban’s “command and control structure” was pure Hollywood. Marja is not a city; there was no Taliban command and control. The heroic liberators killed the usual civilians, poorest of the poor. Otherwise, it was fake. A war of perception is meant to provide fake news for the folks back home, to make a failed colonial adventure seem worthwhile and patriotic, as if The Hurt Locker were real and parades of flag-wrapped coffins through the Wiltshire town of Wooten Basset were not a cynical propaganda exercise.

    “War is fun”, the helmets in Vietnam used to say with bleakest irony, meaning that if a war is revealed as having no purpose other than to justify voracious power in the cause of lucrative fanaticisms such as the weapons industry, the danger of truth beckons. This danger can be illustrated by the liberal perception of Tony Blair in 1997 as one “who wants to create a world [where] ideology has surrendered entirely to values” (Hugo Young, the Guardian) compared with today’s public reckoning of a liar and war criminal.

    Western war-states such as the US and Britain are not threatened by the Taliban or any other introverted tribesmen in faraway places, but by the anti-war instincts of their own citizens. Consider the draconian sentences handed down in London to scores of young people who protested Israel’s assault on Gaza in January last year. Following demonstrations in which paramilitary police “kettled” (corralled) thousands, first-offenders have received two and a half years in prison for minor offences that would not normally carry custodial sentences. On both sides of the Atlantic, serious dissent exposing illegal war has become a serious crime.

    Silence in other high places allows this moral travesty. Across the arts, literature, journalism and the law, liberal elites, having hurried away from the debris of Blair and now Obama, continue to fudge their indifference to the barbarism and aims of western state crimes by promoting retrospectively the evils of their convenient demons, like Saddam Hussein. With Harold Pinter gone, try compiling a list of famous writers, artists and advocates whose principles are not consumed by the “market” or neutered by their celebrity. Who among them have spoken out about the holocaust in Iraq during almost 20 years of lethal blockade and assault? And all of it has been deliberate. On 22 January 1991, the US Defence Intelligence Agency predicted in impressive detail how a blockade would systematically destroy Iraq’s clean water system and lead to “increased incidences, if not epidemics of disease”. So the US set about eliminating clean water for the Iraqi population: one of the causes, noted Unicef, of the deaths of half a million Iraqi infants under the age of five. But this extremism apparently has no name.

    Norman Mailer once said he believed the United States, in its endless pursuit of war and domination, had entered a “pre-fascist era”. Mailer seemed tentative, as if trying to warn about something even he could not quite define. “Fascism” is not right, for it invokes lazy historical precedents, conjuring yet again the iconography of German and Italian repression. On the other hand, American authoritarianism, as the cultural critic Henry Giroux pointed out recently, is “more nuance, less theatrical, more cunning, less concerned with repressive modes of control than with manipulative modes of consent.”

    This is Americanism, the only predatory ideology to deny that it is an ideology. The rise of tentacular corporations that are dictatorships in their own right and of a military that is now a state with the state, set behind the façade of the best democracy 35,000 Washington lobbyists can buy, and a popular culture programmed to divert and stultify, is without precedent. More nuanced perhaps, but the results are both unambiguous and familiar. Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, the senior United Nations officials in Iraq during the American and British-led blockade, are in no doubt they witnessed genocide. They saw no gas chambers. Insidious, undeclared, even presented wittily as enlightenment on the march, the Third World War and its genocide proceeded, human being by human being.

    In the coming election campaign in Britain, the candidates will refer to this war only to laud “our boys”. The candidates are almost identical political mummies shrouded in the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes. As Blair demonstrated a mite too eagerly, the British elite loves America because America allows it to barrack and bomb the natives and call itself a “partner”. We should interrupt their fun.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:38 #
  2. Good, Migel, I thought you'd post this one. Come on, people, read and wake up. A Third World War is in the air. Try and understand what it means. Something which will pass from the present low-key to the absolutely horrendous!

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 16:51 #
  3. World War III Has Already Begun (25.3.10)

    Here's another version of the same story. When you've read the first, you might feel tempted to read the second, too, and compare.

    Some experts believe that World War III will start 100 years after the first one and will take lives of hundreds of millions of people. Some scientists think that the war is already going on, nareing the completion of its first stage.

    Konstantin Sivkov, first VP of the Academy for Geopolitical Issues, developed a scientific concept of the reasons, stages and timeframes of World War II. He shared his forecast with Svobodnaya Pressa.

    Sivkov believes that planet Earth has experienced a global, civilized crisis. The crisis was caused by several disproportions, namely: 1) conflicts between growth of production/consumption and available resources 2) conflicts between “poor” developing countries and “rich” industrially developed countries, between nations and transnational elite; 3) conflicts between spiritless free market with the power of money and spiritual roots of various civilizations, including Orthodox, Muslim, Buddhist and others.

    “The analysis of possible solutions of these misbalances and conflicts shows that they are of antagonistic nature, and the crisis cannot be solved without significant infringement of interests of some large geopolitical subjects. This means that participation of military forces is unavoidable. Considering the global nature of the crisis, we may assume that military participation will be global as well, “Sivkov believes.

    He predicts that World War III will be of coalitional nature. Countries will form coalitions based on their loyalty to one of the two models of world order.

    The first model is “the world of civilized hierarchy.” Select few brutally exploit the rest of humanity. The second model is “civilized mutual support” or “civilized harmony.”

    “In other words, the war will be waged to define the spiritual basis of new world order. It will either be based on individualism, selfishness and suppression, or community, domination of mutual interest to survive and develop and support each other. This is the main difference between the war to come and previous wars that were fought for economic redistribution.”

    Two coalitions already exist. The first one is the alliance of the so-called industrially developed countries represented by Western civilizations. Spiritual foundations of this coalition are based on individualism and material possessions generating power of money. The coalition’s military and political core is represented by the block NATO. The second coalition involves countries of orthodox, Islamic and other civilizations based on the domination of spiritual over material. This coalition is interested in multipolar world order. Yet, these countries have not realized that they have mutual geopolitical interests, let alone a necessity in a political or military unity.
    “The countries that are not a part of Western civilization are not ready for military confrontation neither in terms of organization nor technical preparedness. On the other hand, this coalition has overwhelming majority of people and control over ample natural resources and territories. This greatly increases their chances to win a long war and provides favorable circumstances for fighting the aggressor during the initial stages of war. Another potential advantage is that simultaneous attacks in all directions are practically impossible. This creates a reserve of time for consolidation of countries into an anti-imperialistic coalition. There is a possibility of supporting the countries that will become the first victims of aggressors,” Sivkov says.

    The scientist is convinced that the war is already going on. So far it is in a relatively peaceful stage.

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/220969

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 17:34 #
  4. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree. We should do everything we can to interrupt their fun, which will come at the cost of further misery for mankind.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 17:58 #
  5. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: Excellent! article.

    Yes, I agree. Muslims have NOT! realized their geopolitical interests, their potential yet, their power, their economies, their ALLAH gifted greatness.

    They are not! aware of what they possess, even in the slightest.

    Actually this is wrong. JI already knows the importance of building strategic blocks. JI has already been screaming about it for decades!.

    Yet, people of Pakistan are busy in petty bickering. People of Pakistan are not listening to JI.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:08 #
  6. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: Yes, the war is already going on.

    Dr. Israr pointed at this article from Philadelphia Trumpet, about beginning of the last crusade, that most Pakistanis' aren't even aware of.

    This article was issued in August, 2001, one month before September, 2001.

    9/11 was the beginning of the war, that Konstantin Sivkov is pointing at.

    You can say secularists among Muslims are not aware of it.

    But yes, we DEEN-daar people are fully aware of the beginning and continuation of this war.

    Its just that no one listens to us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:15 #
  7. I agree about the plight of Muslims, HK, their lack of awareness, as you keep repeating, of who and what they really are. Even the drone/blackwater war on Pakistan hasn't really shaken up the Muslims of Pakistan.

    "Are We a Broken People? Why We've Stopped Fighting Back Against the Forces of Oppression.
    Can people become so broken that truths of how they are being screwed do not "set them free" but instead further demoralize them? Has such a demoralization happened in - (no, not Pakistan is meant) the United States?"

    But these lines apply to us as well. We must stop being demoralised and learn to fight for our country and its rights. Specially, if that incredible World War III, does happen to break out seriously.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:19 #
  8. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: WW III isn't a matter of if. It already began with 9/11. Its just that Muslims are not ready to acknowledge it.

    Muslims are so big damned fools, they think they are at war with their own people.

    I believe, this is because WW III hasn't come out in the open yet.

    With the start of the war against Iran or Pakistan, it will ALL come out in the open.

    I can only hope that Muslims will realize who their enemy is. Once that is achieved, fighting wars is no big deal for Muslims.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:28 #
  9. Excellent point there, yes. 9/11 was the start of the whole damned killing spree. And we Muslims were signaled out to be the victims. US never declared war on Afghanistan, or Pakistan. Do you know about Iraq? Did a declaration of war precede Shock and Awe? Whatever, we sleep and aren't our slumbers sweet!

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:36 #
  10. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Whatever has happened in;

    (1) Afghanistan
    (2) Iraq
    (3) Pakistan
    (4) Palestine
    (5) Kashmir
    (6) Iran
    (7) etc etc

    has been war. They just sugar-coated their words, so our people would become fools. And our people did! accept it as something of goodwill.

    I wonder how much time will it take for Muslims to realize the killing has already begun.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 18:42 #
  11. achtung
    Member

    haris bhai
    yeh bataoo keh pakistan mei drone hamloo sey kitney log marey aur dehshat gardoo key suicide aur bomb aur rocket hamloo mei kitney log marrey aur maeeshat ko kitna nuqsan hua?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 19:31 #
  12. hkbajwa
    Member

    Good God! Is there no end to the conspiracy theories. World War #3?? How the heck is that even a revelation..

    The human species has been at war with itself since time immemorial. Whether it was a war of ideology, ethinicity, resources, or anything, the tide of warfare has moved across the planet many times over. So a new war is about to happen?? SO what?? What's so damn special about this one?

    Is it because this war is "unique"?? It most certainly isn't. All wars are "unique" and thus none are. Is it because this war is more lethal?? Well every war in human history has been more lethal than the preceding one by several orders of magnitude, just as the one after this will be more lethal yet again. Is this war "the final war"?? Well mankind has made THAT mistake an infinite number of times. Every generation is convinced that the final battle will take place in their generation. That's not new. This arrogance that one's time on this earth is so special that it will end with one's passing is in fact extremely arrogant.

    This war will be the same as any other war and it is just another in a loooooooooooooong line of human stupidities. This war is just another symptom of the greater ailments that afflict our species.

    Our problem is that even though mankind now is at a technological level where it can support a good quality of life to all living humans on the planet, we still believe that resources are scarce. Let me tell you. There is no shortage of resources on this planet. There is simply an inability to distribute them equitably. That's because we simply cannot let go of the assumption that there isn't enough.

    In this panic of an imagined scarcity (it can be anything, from food to oil, froom human to natural resources) mankind reverts to a basic instinct. the instinct of violence.

    This instinct was a great help for us before mankind became a global species. It was before we became truly technological. It was before we had the internet. It was before we learnt how to produce more than we needed.

    TOday, however it is no longer a fact. The only reason there are energy and good crises is because the energy and food of our planet isn't being distributed properly. There exists plenty of both.. there simply isn't the mechanism to ensure these resources get utilized where needed.

    SO far i have spoken of wars for material resoruces. But there is another resoruce that we tend to forget. It is the resource of freedom.

    Religious groups tend to believe that even freedom is a limited resource. In order for one person to be free, another must be in chains. And thus they fight tooth and nail to put the other in chains because only thus can they assume they are free. The same goes for states like america. They have redefined the concept of soveregnty to mean that one can only be a sovereign nation if there are some that are not.

    But that is not Truth. The Truth is that every man can be free if he wants it and without it impinging on another's freedom. Every man can eat without snatching the food out of another man's mouth. Every man can have justice without depriving another of his justice. That is the Truth.

    And when mankind realizes this Truth and leaves behind the hunting/gathering and warring/hoarding mentality that are the basis of war, we will ahve found a lasting solution. Otherwise every war will increase in size and lethality until we are almost destroyed. And then we can start the process all over again with sticks and stones.

    It is only when this cycle is broken that we can truly claim to have achieved a True Victory.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 21:17 #
  13. Anonymous

    I dont understand about these conspiracy theorist that on one hand they are posting USA is breaking up but on the other hand they post that USA is starting world war 3 isnt it a contradiction???A country according to them cant stay United and strong thinking about waging a World War while not paying any attention to their internal conditions...are they fool???or may be our conspiracy theorist are much more clever then them...

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 0:11 #
  14. Shock
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    @yahya87

    It is so confusing. I mean, according to them everything coming from west is a propaganda, false conspiracy against Islam. And yet migel87 posts articles written by western journalists, who have a different point of view.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 2:25 #
  15. Everything coming out of the West is just that: false. And deadly. Count our daily victims here in Pakistan. That's war. Migel posts what he posts, I think, because he wants to open our eyes about the West. To show how crazy they are, where the danger lies. But we, alas, prefer to believe they are our best friends.

    As for conspiracy theorists, that's a West-coined term to dismiss their opponents. It began with 9/11, when people began to say it was an inside CIA-Mossad job. USA is breaking up. Count on it. As for WWIII, that is likely also on the cards. Nothing to do with conspiracy. Look at your daily newspaper. Israel is going to attack Iran, no, US is. Day in, day out. Mad dog West is broke. We must all have heard about this by now. Anything, anything to save their skins. No logic involved. And, mainly, no humanity left.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 8:26 #
  16. It is really interesting to learn where, most of the, Pro-West and Anti-West propaganda is initiated in the West.
    The research work, particular in Pakistan, mostly, is based upon cut and paste.
    The Western Writer, journalist and Media is quoted to establish the credibility of a theory what could be another line or direction for the Western Governments.
    When persons like Micheal Moore come out with movies like
    ' 9/11. Fahrenheit' or 'Capitalism, With Love', they are promoting the freedom of expression.
    The self criticism in the West helps to improvise the Capitalistic Grip over the World.
    The propaganda about sinking of Titanic is a strategy to change the direction towards different horizon.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 8:51 #
  17. Mirza Ghalib
    A wise observation I must say. Conspiracy Theory is just one blanket term western propaganda so very much reeks of. This term in particular is used where they would like to refute or ridicule opponents just stand. On their own west is known as Cradle of Conspiracy Theories mentioned by critics from the west itself.
    In aqal key andhoon ko apni ankh ka shateer nazer nahin aata laiken doosrey ki ankh ki baal nazer aa jata hai.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 13:46 #
  18. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    There's no third entity after or between;

    (1) Good
    (2) Bad

    Either good or bad can be in power. They both can't be in power at the same time.

    The space between them is an illusion, at best.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 14:06 #
  19. Patriot, hariskhan, you are both on the side of impeccable logic. Allah barkat deh. Though we seem to be in the minority here, life-changing ideas always come from that group and, over time, are accepted and followed by the majority as well.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 14:44 #
  20. Anonymous

    What a foolish country US is that they are about to disintegrate or breaking apart while still planning to start World War despite their own sovereignty is in danger.....this logic can only be acceptable for Taliban sympathizers and those banned religious outfits....they only care about is Kashmir, Afghanistan, Palestine and other regions with Muslim majority while their own country is facing so much problems....I think enough is enough as Arabs have already learned their lesson while going against Israel they forget that they have so many internal problems as well and Israel materialize them perfectly and defeated Arabs in every single war they fought despite they were supported by many other Muslim countries and now Israel is very strong in the region and Arabs are very weak....Iran is also following their example that instead of control interference in their internal affairs by hostile countries they are only speaking about Israel while they have huge amount of internal problems within their own country....I think we should change ourselves and instead of worrying about west and their threat to Pakistan should strengthen ourselves from inside so that we could able to take on western pressures because if we go like the way we are going west will exploit our weaknesses and they will use them against because before going to war they study their enemy first and their is a famous quote they believe in....

    "The best way to defeat your enemy is to know your enemy"

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 15:59 #
  21. Shock
    Members

    @Mirza ghalib

    Actually, when I first came to this forum, you guys were in majority.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 17:01 #
  22. Good, then, wholly democratic, let's say. Your turn now. Make the most of it. Ours will come again without fail.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 18:51 #
  23. Your last line, yahya, rang with truth. And the rest of what you say contains sense, too. But the world has undergone a slight change over the past few decades. The West is going down. One thing this blog does not seem to like is economic news. But even so, most of us must have heard about the financial crisis in all West countries. Their hold on the money monopoly is going, going...gone. This loss of monopoly accounts for all this Third World War talk in Western mainstream media. Diversionary tactics which might turn into reality. Who knows?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 19:44 #
  24. Iran’s Natural Gas Riches: US Knife to the Heart of World Future Energy by Finian Cunningham
    Global Research, March 18, 2010

    The scheduled start of drilling this month by China National Petroleum Company (CNPC) in Iran’s South Pars gas field could be both a harbinger and explanation of much wider geopolitical developments.

    First of all, the $5 billion project – signed last year after years of foot dragging by western energy giants Total and Shell under the shadow of US-led sanctions – reveals the main arterial system for future world energy supply and demand.

    Critics have long suspected that the real reason for US and other western military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is to control the Central Asian energy corridor. So far, the focus seems to be mainly on oil. For example, there have been claims that a planned oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea via Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arabian Sea is the main prize behind the US’s seemingly futile military campaign in those countries.

    But what the CNPC-Iranian partnership shows is that natural gas is the bigger prize that will be pivotal to the world economy, and specifically the dual flow of this fuel westwards and eastwards from Central Asia to Europe and China.

    Michael Economides, editor of the Houston-based Energy Tribune, is one of a growing number of industry observers who is convinced that natural gas will supplant oil as the primary energy source, not only in the coming decades but over the next several centuries.

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/221031

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 19:54 #
  25. Capitalism is where poor keeps getting poorer while the rich keeps getting filthy rich. Ultimately 'other's' wealth accumulates within a few hands and those few but rich control every things like in USA or in Europe.

    With downfall of capitalism their stranglehold on world economies has taken a downwards steep slide.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 19:56 #
  26. Indeed! God willing, these are the last days of capitalism we are seeing and soon a different system will arise, the world over. No more usury. No more compound interest. No more financial scam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:11 #
  27. khalidhumayun
    Member

    Nice input John Pilger! He has collected data to present a blue print of USA maneuvering and strategic plan – from Horn of Africa to Latin America not to forget the in between flaring Middle East including Afghanistan and Pakistan. Looks like USA is up to destroy almost entire third world – not easy a task. Covering Somalia is understandable. If USA is hell bent to attack Iran, and according to Pilger, missile bases in four Gulf states have already been erected and from US base Deigo Garcia “bunker-duster” bombs have started reaching on above bases, it must have a back up control from Somalia, once a favorite haven for Osama Bin Laden, and from where he master minded many attacks, including US Embassy attack in Kenya. So, it is but natural that they should have command and control behind their main missile bases in Gulf states. It would have been fitness of the things if the author had specifically mentioned those states.

    I leave the USA involvement in South America as I am not clear about her intention and interest but I am sure USA does not spend a single dime without a purpose. However, its preparation for a war (the author has called a third world war – well the third world has already begun immediately after 9/11, it is spreading every passing day and finale is not too far away when the critical or flash point reaches, nukes would be taking aerial routes changing the world into heap of debris and radio active waves tarnishing the souls.

    Be that as it may, let me tell it loud and clear. We are muslim, and we are ready, not much difference between life and death for us. May be we all die, but not before we annihilate the whole West.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:16 #
  28. Shock
    Members

    That is why china, and Russia have adopted a capitalist economic system. This is another nonsense preached by Zaid Hamid.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:17 #
  29. Shock
    Members

    What is the proof that Capitalism is dead?

    Capitalism has produced the highest standard of living the world has ever seen, even the poor in capitalist countries have access to basic necessities, while the poor in communist countries die of hunger.

    Capitalism gives everyone the closest thing to a fair chance in life, how many people in the history of the united states have started out poor and become filthy rich. (HINT: check the entire rap music industry)

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:21 #
  30. fan0o
    Member

    Capitalism is a system that make people oppressed and slaves of a system and people have to suffer and this system was designed to make the globalization easier. this idea has make the worst place to live ever just in case a single state crashes and all the dependent system crashes and people suffer.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:38 #
  31. Shock, carry on your capitalism worship. Who's to stop you? But definitely keep off the subject of communist countries which had a tremendous standard of non-consumerist living when they still existed. As things stand, the only remaining communist countries at the moment are China, Cuba and North Korea. You ever been to any of them? What on earth is there to be proud about because the rap industry turns a handful of people who can't sing into millionaires? Whereas Cuba has the highest standard of education and medical care in the world. You ever been to Cuba, man?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:39 #
  32. @Mirza Ghalib
    The real pain a Capitalist has is when there is a talk of abolishing usury among our circles.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:40 #
  33. Thank God for that, Khalidhumayun, that we are Muslims and we might die under their bombs, but we'll cetainly be taking them with us. And then all these interminable discussions about which is the best system will be absolutely pointless.

    @fanOo - Welcome to the club of those who think capitalism is a system based on greed, oppression and slavery, the worst the human mind could have ever devised.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:44 #
  34. Quite, Moderator, usury and its little brother, compound interest. These are the things being defended by all those falling bombs. Along with the proxy Jewish war against the Muslims, naturally.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:46 #
  35. Shock
    Members

    @mirza Ghalib

    At first I didn't know what you were, but now I know that you are a communist. Well I am starting a new thread, because the topic here is different.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 20:58 #
  36. More power to you, Shock!

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 21:00 #
  37. Shock
    Members

    @mirza Ghalib

    You can respond to me on "Capitalism is good".

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 21:05 #
  38. hkbajwa
    Member

    @ Haris

    You are right.. there is only good and bad in this world.

    the problem is that good and bad are always mixed up in each individual. As a result of the fact that humans are never exclusively saints and never exclusively demons, human interpretation of good and bad is also extremely unreliable.

    Even the most hated men have had their redeeming features, and even the most saintly have had their weaknesses.

    You are quick to judge whether something is good or bad without really realizing that your judgement can never be absolutely perfect. There is no possible way in which you can be privy to all the factors that lead "good" or "bad". Thus you are also not qualified judge absolutely.

    In fact in judging absolutely you simply narrow your vision and become deaf and blind to growth.

    Now mind you, i completely accept without your question to judge "good" or "bad" for yourself. It is when you try to judge for everybody else that you exceed your mandate. Your judgement can only be valid for you. Others may agree with you, and join you, but none must follow you, or me or anybody.

    This is where i repeat what i have said about humility in faith. One must always remember that human vision is flawed and what one sees may not be absolute truth. It is that openness to that simple fact that draws the line between arrogance and humility.

    Pride at knowing "the absolute Truth" completely negates the search for Truth. Once you are trapped by this assumption you stop searching, you stop challenging, you stop questioning, you stop developing and you stop being tolerant. Because from thence onwards all your energies are devoted to "proving" that you are right. And you can never "prove" that you know the absolute truth with words. Only your actions can prove you have that knowledge.

    What i have heard of you counselling violence, aggression, the Final Battle, the complete rejection of those argumen ts for which you have no counter-arguments, shows to me that you have a false sense of pride in your faith. And it is that pride which causes your actions and opinions to disagree with what you profess to believe.

    On a different note:

    When is humanity going to realize that what happens on this planet is EVERYBODY'S fault. If there is an idiot american starting wars all over the place, that is our failure as a SPECIES.

    We are all humans... if we separate ourselves from other humans by creating "good" and "bad" groupings within ourselves we are absolving ourselves of responsiblity for HUMANITY. In doing so we reduce the number of people who need to be saved and we therefore THINK we make things easier. But it's not easier... In fact it is IMPOSSIBLE.

    God doesn't want us to save just one special group of humans. He wants us to save OUR SPECIES.

    THe covert american activity is just as counterproductive to this responsiblity as the perception and reaction from us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 9:59 #
  39. I absolutely back your vision that humility is the better part of pride. Especially in the eyes of God Almighty.

    Also, your timely reminder that we are all guilty when things go wrong in this world. I feel responsible for the suffering masses of the various continents. But I do draw the line at taking on any responsibility whatsoever for the unspeakable deeds of the West. They should have known better. Their crimes are beyond me and none of my doing.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 10:42 #
  40. "Which world war III scenario do you favour", we asked someone and got the following reply which we are posting below because it's a terrific summation of the situation at this point in time:

    All west chief thorns like Venezuela, Iran, N Korea, or Syria are untouchable by west. They have arms. Never in its entire vicious history has the west pedophile child-murdering miscreant dared to attack anyone but defenceless children. So all these war drum beatings, whether they come from the west BBCNN clowns or from among the baboon dissent pack are no more than west dreams of giant cataclysms. It's on par with west hoards constantly awaiting some alien arrival, always in hope that someone else will fix it for them.

    All this is patent nonsense. It's possible some mishap could precipitate some aggression that spills into an armed nation but then west will eat missiles.

    So I don't "favour" any of the war threats.

    If west touches Iran, Iran will respond. So long as Iran has second strike, west will eat it. Whether it happens within a minute or a year is immaterial. Plus there's Hormuz in this case which will dry west in a few days and grind it to a permanent halt. If west chose the winter months for this assault, the west herds will freeze to death without oil.

    If west touches China, it's gonna... well, in 1951 when USA harassed China, China mobilised 200K troops and drove the west down the Korean peninsula. USA hasn't recovered from this to date occupying only half of Korea. This is 1951. With weapons... the wildest nightmares would probably be materialised if west decided this approach.

    If west touches Russia... it's the same thing. One sub carries some dozen missiles each splintering into some ten stealthy warheads with range of 8K km. One single sub silently sitting under some South Pole ice sheet is enough to explain matters to all west lands.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 12:44 #
  41. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib bhai
    yeh bhi to bataa dein keh

    if west touches pakistan

    to phir kia hoga. mujhay pehley apney mulk ki fikir hy. iran china russia mera masala nahee.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 13:12 #
  42. Anonymous

    Capitalism and communism both have flaws as Capitalism try to satisfy unlimited needs of the people with scarce resources available to satisfy the unlimited needs by giving economy in private hands while communism focus on controlling the unlimited need by getting economy in Govt. hands. If you ask me then religious regimes can only be successful in communist system because they talk about controlling the production while secular regimes can be successful in Capitalist system because it gave freedom to produce what ever a person wants under the law of the land...So this is the difference as capitalist trying to satisfy people on the basis of their wants and communist try to satisfy people on the basis of supplies within the regime...

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 13:45 #
  43. zingaro
    Member

    A very good discussion is going on in this thread. I really enjoyed reading all comments. Carry on guys ... Anyhow I side with Mirza Ghalib's point of view.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 15:16 #
  44. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: We are broken because our internal justice system failed or failed or operate or ceased to exist a long! long! time ago.

    Our people will only fight external threats, when internally our justice system will work according to Islam's teachings, ways, laws, rules, standards.

    I posted a video series on this discussion forum, on 'Jageerdari - the right of ownership in Islam'.

    Admin of this site hid or deleted that post. I need ALL! of Pakistani people to possess that knowledge for us to work towards a peaceful revolution.

    I can only surmize that the admin of this site supports 'Jageerdar' people, in contrast to masses of Pakistan. These 'Jageerdar' (feudals) includes Army.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 15:58 #
  45. Migel9
    Member

    Little history about jewish communism..

    The Communist desire to 'liberate enslaved nations' will come as a surprise to the enslaved nations of Eastern Europe, and the goal of maintaining 'integrity of their territories' rings strangely in view of the Soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, and other oppressed nations. Like other announced goals of World War II, the Atlantic Chapter and the Four Freedoms, Stalin's program achieved only one goal, 'the destruction of the Hitlerite regime,' the only government in the world which had opposed the spread of Communist aggression with its military forces. The 'abolition of racial exclusiveness,' which has (also) been official U.S. Government policy since 1945, was, quite simply, the Jewish Marxist goal of planned genocide of the White Race, because the White Race remained the only possible opposition to the total domination of the world by international Jewish Marxism. No African or Asiatic nation has ever mounted a successful counter-revolution against a Communist regime, nor have they ever desired to.
    One hundred million White People died violently during World War II, but the only Asiatic people to suffer serious losses were the Japanese, who were known as 'the Aryans of the East,' because of their aggressiveness and their highly developed technological abilities. Because of their well known opposition to Communism, the Japanese people were selected by Jewish strategists as the guinea pigs for the testing of the new Jewish Hellbomb, a weapon so horrible that when Hitler learned his scientists had begun work on it, he furiously ordered them to halt its development. He refused to allow his name or the name of the German people to be associated with such an inhumane operation. This allowed the Jews to develop their atomic hellbomb in Los Alamos for Roosevelt and Stalin, with no competition from anywhere in the world. They developed it in order to exterminate the entire German people, but, with the unlimited funds provided by American taxpayers, they turned it into a typical billion dollar Jewish boondoggle which dragged on until after Germany's defeat. Fortunately, the homicidal maniacs still had one anti-Communist nation left on which they could conduct their atomic experiment, the island of Japan.

    Like most historic Jewish military operations, the great massacres of World War II occurred, not on the battlefield, but in peaceful neighborhood communities. This was in accordance with the dictate of the Book of Esther, which directs the Jews to massacre women and children, and to exterminate the families of those who dare to oppose them. Thus it was in Dresden, a historic German cultural center, where many thousands of German women and children, refugees from Communism had gathered. They were assured by the Red Cross that they would be safe, even while the Jewish generals were preparing to murder the men. The blood-maddened Jews desired not only to murder as many White civilians as possible but also to erase from history all evidence of Western civilization, the greatest examples of White culture which had been gathered in Dresden, the irreplaceable procelian, the priceless paintings, the baroque furniture, and the rococo mansions with their poetry carved in stone. All was laid waste in a mass bombing attack in which some 300,000 German civilians died in a city which was not even a military target! The responsibility for this horrible slaughter, in which helpless non-combatants died horribly by flame and explosion, rests with, who else, 'the Americans.' At the last minute, the Soviets prudently withdrew from what was planned as a 'joint-Allied' venture. Today, the Soviets denounce the United States for the annihilation of Dresden.

    Like Dresden, Hiroshima was also an ancient cultural center, with no visible military objective. Its non- combatant families also died horribly by the hundreds of thousands. Many were pulverized instantly by the first atomic bomb ever used in a military operation, but thousands of other victims lived on for years, mangled and burned, their limbs and organs slowly rotting away from radiation poisoning. Even while the Japanese officials were desperately suing for peace, the Jews hastily ordered the dropping of a second atomic bomb, this one on Nagasaki, bringing off a second 'test' of their Hellbomb against helpless non-combatants, as prescribed by the Book of Esther. Again, hundreds of thousands of civilians died horribly.

    At last, the Jews had achieved the weapon which they planned to use to terrorize the entire world into subjecting itself to their insane frenzies and their frequently voiced goal of world domination of the 'animals,' or non-Jews. As Chaim Weizmann boasted, 'We will never actually have to use this atomic weapon in military operations as the mere threat of its use will persuade any opponent to surrender to us." (Eustace Mullins, Foreword, War! War! War!)

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 16:16 #
  46. Fine, Migel, and when that failed, they transferred to capitalism instead. And that is what is plaguing the world today. Communism is nowhere now. Just three countries remotely communist and two of them are non-white. Even Cuba with its high black population can be regarded as belonging to that category for all practical purposes. The Jewish- capitalism line is obvious and ongoing.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 17:44 #
  47. Yahya, you made a good point in your comment, one to be borne in mind by all those passionate about such matters.

    Zingaro, thanks. I needed a bit of support there, I really did.

    Hariskhan, of course we stand in desperate need of a completely reformed legal system and far-reaching land reform. Timidly, I add in keeping with the principles of Islam, for fear of being shot down where I stand. I am less used to the hurly-burly of bloggers careless of basic rules of politeness than you.

    achtung, I believe that nuclear-armed Pakistan will not be attacked in any frontal manner. The drone-killings, however, remain a mystery to me.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Mar 2010 17:53 #
  48. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    DAWN News: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip

    Page last updated at 17:35 GMT, Friday, 2 April 2010 18:35 UK
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    For how long will we keep watching this nonsense! as bystanders ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2010 19:37 #
  49. Exactly the question that torments me. How much longer are we Muslims going to put up with this massacre? When are we finally going to put our foot down?

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2010 20:39 #

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