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Here we go NS wants ARMY Courts

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showrealassets
Commenter

Confused and now desperate for Army support at any cost , one day on their side , other day u turn.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2012-daily/03-01-2012/u91993.htm

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 13:30 #
barackosama
Member

Important thing is Nawaz Sharif is never out of stupid and misplaced statement.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 16:21 #
showrealassets
Commenter

MQM on top of PMLN on this issue, watch OFF The Record tonight, Mushahid Ullah looks like ran away from Program

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 17:24 #
sandman
Member

Mushahid Ullah makes no sense. I think PMLN would be better off if they got someone else as information sec.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 17:26 #
pacemaker
Member

Here we go NS wants ARMY Courts

seriuos consequences of Nawaz mindset

1) internationaly we will be consider failed undemocratic authoritarian state without basic human right where political leaders are incompetent,

2) Army right from foot soldier to generals will think they are indispensable and have every right to rule Pakistan becoz political leadership is incompetent & corrupt

the most dangerous is
3) People will think and believe the same and will distribute sweets whenever Army take the power by
" coups d'état"

I think Nawaz is the most dumbest, incompetent, incapable and visionless leader ever walked on the soil of Pakistan if not on this earth!

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 17:55 #
Dusky
Member

I thought he learned his lesson and now believe in democracy. But this statement make me cretin that he thinks he can not succeed in a civilian rule of law environment.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:04 #
d0ct0r
Member

6 judges excused themselves while hearing Afaq Ahmed's case,one of them resigned,3 of his lawyers & companions were gunned down during his 7 year incarceration,he appealed and requested that he does not want anymore of his lawyers to be brutally gunned down so he should be allowed to pursue his own case, finally court allowed him to fight his own cases.

When bus full of policemen is attacked by armed political gangs and criminals are roaming scot free and operating fearlessly with complete impunity and those who are meant to provide justice and punish these heinous criminals are themselves feeling insecure & vulnerable then military courts are only solution. Criminals and their sympathizers will naturally make hue and cry and will feel the heat..

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:17 #
pakstar
Member

Supreme Court apna shok pora ker chuki ha.. jab.. karachi k halaaat per az kud notice ka nateeja ZERO nikla.. jab supreme court be na ker sakay tu phir .. kissi ko tu kuch kerna ho ga..

Sahi Kaha ha Nawaz Sharif nay latooon k bhoot batoon say nahi mantay..

1992 may karachi may asay hi aman kaim hoa tha..

dobara be asay hi ho ga..

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:19 #
pakstar
Member

Imran khan k pass iska solution ha.. "wel left" her ball ko nahi khaila jata..

Coward Khan..

he can only help gamblers to gain haram money

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:20 #
runaway
Member

The only people who are so fond of 1992 operation have not lived in Karachi.

No Karachite supported the 1992 operation.

Nawaz Sharif wants to bring back 1992. He can forget about even getting one PML-N MPA from urban sindh

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:36 #
Dusky
Member

For MQM this will be a blessing in disguise. 1992 operation give them a life and this will do the same.
NS will never learn from his mistakes. He should evaluate why he have less support then any tanga party in urban Sindh.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:45 #
pakstar
Member

ایک عورت جس مرد سے شادی کرتی تھی وہ مرد شادی کے اگلے روز فوت ہو جاتا تھا اور اور ایک مرد جس عورت سے شادی کرتا ، وہ عورت اگلی صبح انتقال کر جاتی۔ گاؤں والوں نے فیصلہ کرکے ان دونوں کی آپس میں شادی کر دی۔ اگلی صبح ان دو میں سے کسی ایک کی موت کے منتظر تھے کہ ”کلمہ شہادت“ کی صدا بلند ہوئی اور ایک جنازہ گلی میں سے گزرتے دیکھا گیا۔ پتہ کیا تو معلوم ہوا کہ جس مولوی نے نکاح پڑھایا تھا وہ فوت ہو گیا ہے۔ سو اس دفعہ اسٹیبلشمنٹ کے ”نکاح خواں“ کو سوچ سمجھ کر اس کام میں ہاتھ ڈالنا چاہئے۔

عطاءالحق قاسمی Dont miss to read :)

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 18:57 #
pacemaker
Member

dont worry Nsharif this statement will give him backlash of his life, his stoogis will find it almost impossible to defend his Army courts statement on media,

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:36 #
pakstar
Member

@pacemaker Don't worry Heywan aur BayEman Khan ki apni statement be oper video may sun lain

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 19:46 #
expakistani
Member

Well do we need further prove that this guys NS is just simply stupid... he going to do same mistake again and will be kicked out as PM 3rd time as well.

Posted 4 months ago on 03 Jan 2012 21:06 #
pakstar
Member

@expakistani Your statement well reflected your democratic approach towards handling of an elected governament and why not your approach is backed by Q-League and custodians of Musharaf .. No surprise from your statement as PTI supporter.

Most PTI supporters were with Musharaf before establishment fooled them around Imran Khan.. ..

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 0:15 #
justhuman
Member

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 0:19 #
pakstar
Member

@pacemaker

keep your eyes closed and wait for Imran Khan making your life better auto-magically by mud-sliding on media.

don't forget when you will wake up, the enjoy will be finished but not your problems.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 0:20 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

NS has again proved that he has no respect for law and constituion.

I wonder how come he opposed Mush action of Oct 12, 1999. IF BAHDUR FAUJ is the recipe to fix the tihngs, they fixed it on Oct 12 as well. Why to oppose that ?

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 0:37 #
pakstar
Member

@Sharif Aadmi

For your information Army is under PM , PM is not under Army. PM has to decide where he want to deploy its army as necessary, not Army has to decide where they want to keep PM.

BTW Thanks for introducing yourself as supporter of Dictatorship.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 0:48 #
qaisernadeem
Member

Jitni zillat Noon ki qimat mein hai, itni shayad dunya mein kissi ki kismet mein ho!

Mian Sb. seems to have hit the self destruct button.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 2:31 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

pakstar

For your kind information , the constitution of ARMY courts was held ultra vires by the supreme court of pakistan in the landmark judgement of Mehram Ali VS Federation of Pakistan case.

If NS doesn't rememember that or u don't know about that , it doesn't mean that i m a supporter of BAHDUR FAUJ.

Here honourable members know of my stance .

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 2:49 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Qaisar Bahi,

Kiya un kay bii nahi jo 15 saal poliics mein rehtey haain , election contest kartey haain , zamanat zabat karwatey haain and then realizet that electoral rolls are not correct.

Kiya unn kaay bhi nahi jo kaal tv par baith kaar apna bara moonh khool kar elected reprs koo hazian baktey thay , aur aaj moonh chupa kar baithaey haain ?

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 2:52 #
pakstar
Member

@Sharif Aadmi

Actually most of us missing the point that Nawaz Sharif said ofmilitary courts as Last-resort not the first option. In wasim badami program Ahsan Iqbal elaborated the point that this can also be done through new law endorsed by parliament.So don't worry nothing will be unconstitutional or illegal.

Besides media and judiciary is no more hostile and especially Judiciary has repeated its stance many times that no compromise.

Media is just making fuss for viewer-ship.

So keep calm and carry on.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:14 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

pakstar,

For your kind memory , i can repeat NS history.

a) In his first tenure , he introduced special speedy courts using 12th amendment to the constituion.

b) In 1997 , first he enacted special courts under ATC and wanted these courts out of boundary of high court & supreme court. This black law was enacted on the eve of golden juliee of pakistan and was later quashed in the court of law. Court held certian provisions of this law ultra vire .

For your kind memory , this is the same law under which NS was tried and convicted in hi-jacking case. Hadn't SC rectified the law , he might have met his fate.

c) In 1998, after suspending sindh assembly , he formed ARMY COURTS in sindh . These courts were again held ultra wire by the honourable supreme court of pakistan. If u read then CJ , Justice Ajmal Mian's biography , mian sb wanted to visit him to stop this landmark judgement of mehram ali case but Justice Ajmal Mian refused to welcome him at his residence.

So , when a man with such a black past again speaks of repeating the same illegal actions , what would u call that ?

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:34 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Btw, the tussle between CJ Sajjad Ali Shah and NS government also started from NS's insistence on enacting special ATC's and which ended in the SC invasion saga in Nov 97.

And let me tell u that in those jawani kaay aayam , i opposed NS on ATC's but supported him after CJ Sajjad Ali Shah started suspending constitutioanl amendments (He suspended 13th and 14th amendment).

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:37 #
qaisernadeem
Member

SA,

Hazrat jo 15 jidojahd kertay hain woh surkhuro hotay hain. Baaqi, London kay gutter mein chupay huay chuhay hotay hain

;)

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:39 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Qaisar Bahi

Aap kii baat say BB yaad aa gaai , she used the same language about mohajirs.

Jinn ko aap chohey keh rahey haai, they have mandate of masses for last 25/30 years.

Masses kii respect karna seikhain and come out of this arrogance of being mr.right.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:45 #
qaisernadeem
Member

SA bhai,

Munafqat mubarak ho. Mein nay Taafu bhai aur un kay hawariyun ko Chuha kaha tha!

Kya chuhay london kay gutter mein nahi chuptay?

Mohajiron ka Sher tou Afaq Ahmed hai, Chuha woh jo dum dabba ker bhaag gya!

Waisay itna ghussa kuyun?

:)

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:49 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Qaisar Bahi,

This again shows your arrogance that u consider a person leader of mohajirs who even couldn't get elected as counciler but person who has been representing masses , thats a rat to u.

This exposes your love and respect for democracy. Long live hypocracy.

Btw, for your kind knowledge , i m a punjabi from lahore :)

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 3:58 #
qaisernadeem
Member

SA bhai,

Mubarak ho, I am Mohajir from Lalu Khet!

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 4:16 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Qaisar bahi,

Nice to hear from u. U need to convince your community first before calling AFAQ leader of community. Until then your claim about Altaf or Afaq of zero importance.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 4:35 #
runaway
Member

Haha...

Mohajirs from Lalu Khet,, dont call themseleves Mohajir from Lalu Khet.

Lagta hae aap nae sirf Umer Sharif k cassette sunay haen.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 4:47 #
anasyounus
Member

NS is no naive, he knew what he was talking about, he knows that from Khi, Hyderabad the best he can do is win one Sindh assembly seat (PS-114), and by exploiting the sindhi/urdu speaking divide in Sindh, he is trying to get sympathies from rest of the sindh, he knows that in the next election PPP wont be that strong and if he is able to get Anti-PPP "Sindhi" elemnt united, he may win some seats..

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 15:29 #
sandman
Member

I think NS just made another stupid statement. PMLN guys were having a hard time defending it on talk shows yesterday. It would have been better if they just said NS spoke wrongly and moved on.

Whats more interesting is that NS stopped his fans shouting "Go Zardari Go". That is confusing....PMLN just had a "Go Zardari Go" rally on 31st Dec and 3 days later they dont want people to say "Go Zardari Go" ??

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 15:46 #
msohail83
Member

What do you expect from a man whose mentor was a general? Mard-e-haq is dead but his legacy lives on ....

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 17:46 #
Pakistani84
Blocked

@SA,

Zillat to un ke naam bhi hai jo Pakistani ke quomi heroes, jhinoon ne hazaroon logon ki kidmat ki hai, ke khilaaf fazoliat baktain hain!

Waise Qaise sab ne sahi kaha - munh chupa ke to London ke gutter mein ek chuha baita hai.

Hamara leader to Karachi mein record jalse kar raha hai.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 21:33 #
sandman
Member

Like I said, it would have been better if PMLN apologized for the blunder of a statement and moved on....now NS is just getting bad press, at a time where he can ill afford bad press.

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Ever since he was ousted from power in a coup, Nawaz Sharif has been a reliable voice in the fight to keep the military out of matters that rightfully belong to civilians. Even though his party, the PML-N, was a creature of the military establishment back in Ziaul Haq’s days, it seems that now it is the only party willing to take on the might of the military. In that context, Nawaz Sharif’s vow to bring military courts to Karachi, if he comes into power, is doubly disappointing. Thankfully, Sharif’s proposal has been rejected and condemned by the PPP in Sindh and also been rubbished by the Supreme Court, despite the fact that the PML-N played a big role in helping restore the superior judiciary after Pervez Musharraf’s attacks on it. Sharif, who has been visiting Sindh a lot recently in an effort to try and make inroads in the province, apparently thought that the thirst for quick justice would lead to strong support for military justice. He has been proven wrong.
While relying on military justice is problematic in any case, this is doubly true for Karachi. Using the military to solve Karachi’s problems only exacerbates them. The MQM, for one, would never accept the presence of the military in what they consider to be their city if there was any chance that they would end up being targeted. The ANP and PPP, too, would have serious reservations about submitting their activists to military courts. While military courts may not be as disastrous as previous military operations in the city that is a very low threshold to cross. What makes the proposal even more curious is that it came at a time when Karachi is going through a period of relative calm. Nawaz Sharif, having had his rule curtailed twice before, should best understand the importance of building institutions and the rule of law. If he feels the judiciary has failed the people of Karachi, he needs to explain how it has done so and what can be done to get the process back on the right track. Simply using the military as a band-aid solution will not end the crisis; it will actually make it worse by eroding faith in civilian institutions.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316508/a-bad-proposal/

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 21:47 #
zaln
Member

تمام صوبوں میں فوجی آپریشن ہو چکا سواے پنجاب کے اس کا ثابت ہوتا ہے کہ پنجاب کے سوا باقی سارے صوبوں میں غدار اور دہشتگرد پے جاتے ہیں

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 21:52 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Probably this article put a better light on the issue at hand:
http://pakteahouse.net/2011/12/18/punjabi-elite-and-armed-forces-is-there-a-connection/

The following excerpts are taken from the article:
Most of the political developments in Pakistan involve armed forces and also Punjab’s politicians as Punjab is the most populous province. Some or the other, a narrative has developed which links Punjab and armed forces (who mostly hail from Punjab) in a conspiring role. Even now as President Zardari is having political problems, several journalists are calling it a conspiracy of Punjab, hatched with the support of armed forces, against smaller provinces.

There is absolutely no doubt that Punjab dominates the armed forces both in the Jawan as well as officer cadre. Armed forces have a tremendous budget allocated to them (a huge portion of it is not quantified even though Miss Ayesha Siddiqua’s book does make a good attempt). Consequently, as a result the benefits accruing to army affect more Punjabi households rather than other provinces. And these benefits are extraordinary ranging from subsidized commercial plots, after retirement high profile civilian jobs to memberships at paltry rates to otherwise very expensive clubs.

Yes, if we change the army’s composition it will ensure more benefits to other provinces but may not change the centralized structure favouring Punjab. Over emphasis on population based distribution of resources is diverting too much resources to Punjab’s advantage The overall state structure with all its political institutions, elected and non elected, are geared towards excessive centralization both administratively and ideologically. This centralized structure is the major culprit and it has Punjab as its major beneficiary.

All of the above excerpts show that Army is part of the axis of evil along with the politicians and beaurucrats because the nerve centres are situated in Punjab in a very centralized formation.

So the army operation in Karachi and Baluchistan ensures the benefits from tapped and untapped resources as Army and civil services eats a whopping 90%+ of the total budget. The euqation is unbalanced and we are being buried under turmoil and mounds of deficit because of that.

what NS is doing is a pony show to please the establishment that wants an increasing share in the pie with political assurance.

my posting is not insinuation against common Punjabi but those who cradles the power for their own selfishness and short-term gain. In the end, we will all lose including common people from Punjab.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 22:05 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Pakistani84

Record jalsay jaab seats mein translate hoon gaaey tu pata chaal jaaey gaa , koon leader hai .

Wait & see.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 23:03 #
Pakistani84
Blocked

Wait & see - you too.

However, the record jalse shows the thousands of people putting their trust in IK. Nothing can take away that.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 23:23 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Pakistani84,

I have been watching these jalsa jaloos since 83/84. 83's MRD movement was the first political activity which i saw.

I didn't see the 1977 movement as i was too young but historians say that Asghar Khan led the largest procession in karachi at that time. But what happened to Asghar Khan. He never sat in the national assembly (although he won on couple of seats in 1977).

In 1986 , when BB came back , it was Junejo sahib's era. BB welcome jalsa was very big and rallies she carried were immense but what happened ? Junejo sahib gave free hand , she took jalsa jaloos for couple of months and then fizzled out. Later in 88 elections , she was not able to form government in punjab (Although ISI played the vital role in fomration of IJI).

I m pretty sure that u didn't saw the COP jalsa on Shahreh Quaideen in 1990 as well or MQM jalsa in Nishtar Park 1986.

So , bahi , these jalsa jalloos matter but ultimate thing is the outcome of the ballot.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 23:33 #
Dusky
Member

@Pakistani84: "Hamara leader to Karachi mein record jalse kar raha hai."

Kia aap us jalsa kee bat kar rahain hain jis main aap ke bahadur leedar nay "chohay" aour "us ke tanzeem" kay khilaf aaik bhee lafz nahi nikala?

Lagta hay aap ka bahadur leader chuhaw aur us kay himaaitoon say dar gaya yeah phir woh chohay say mila howa hay.

Posted 4 months ago on 04 Jan 2012 23:57 #
qaisernadeem
Member

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 1:10 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Qaisar ,

Nice one.

People who don't learn from history , become a liabiliy.

NS made the same mistakes that Mr.Bhuto has done in 70's

a) Toppling elected govt in Balochistan
b) Empowering UNIFORMED ANGELS through nuclear program
c) Appointing a junior COAS considering him to be personal loyal

Now , NS is again speaking of repeating same mistakes . Don't know when he would learn ?

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 1:43 #
Pakistani84
Blocked

@SA,

You can have examples both ways. Bhutto big jalses turned into a reovlution on the ballot box, but Asghar Khan's didn't. So any example can be chosen to both support and doubt Imran.

I think these jalse will have effect. They simply show the real support among the masses enjoyed by IK. Finally, people of Pakistan have an option. They were never voting for PMLN and PPP because they wanted to, but because they had no better alternative.

Now they have an option who they really want to vote.

Do you know Nishtar Park is less than half of the ground of PTI jalsa in Karachi.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 13:35 #
Pakistani84
Blocked

@Dusky,

Kiya chohe ke bare mein baat karna ek leader ko shoba deta hai?

Jo khud IK ko bar bar welcome kar raha ho aur Lahore ke jalse ko praise kar raha ho, un se kyun larai banai jaye? Kyun bari partiyon ko faiyda poonchaya jai jo parliament mein majority rakhteen hain?

Karachi ki situation ko PTI iqtedar mein aa kar handle kare gi aur kisi bhi compromise ka shikar nahi ho gi. That's guaranteed under IK's leadership.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 13:37 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Pakistani84
'Kiya chohe ke bare mein baat karna ek leader ko shoba deta hai?'

Koi 'captain' do saal phely eik 'chohey' kaay barey mein har channel par aa kaar bhonkta thaaa.

Do u remember that ?

'Karachi ki situation ko PTI iqtedar mein aa kar handle kare gi

Abbhi taak sindh mein eik counciler PTI say belong nahi kartaa, how it will come to power, lets see.

'I think these jalse will have effect.'
Will , shall , should , must don't matter. Ground realities matter.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 13:55 #
Pakistani84
Blocked

@SA,

Don't go below the belt. Saying IK was "barking" shows that I have touched some nerves by criticizing Altaf Hussian, the rat hiding in a London's gutter.

At that time, the choha was involved in May 12 carnage so IK had to talk about the choha. IK tried to try the choha but couldn't becuase he was licking Musharraf's feet who didn't allow Scotland Yard.

But all in all, IK doesn't have to speak about the choha at every address. He will take care of him when he comes to power.

As for elections, let's see. My opinion is based on ground realities.

Posted 4 months ago on 05 Jan 2012 14:34 #

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