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High Treason as per Article no. 06 of Constitution of Pakistan !

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  1. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    @Beena

    Your list of dictator friendly political parties doesn't include name of PTI !
    Please include its name as well otherwise, Imran Khan's fans will be annoyed !

    ""1.Bhutto was the part of dictator Ayub cabinet in 1958.""

    >>

    It was same Bhutto who showed door to Ayub !

    ""2.Bhutto became the first civilian martial law administrator""

    >>>

    Bhutto took power from Gen Yahya and as there wasn't any Constitution, that's why he had to become civilian martial law admin !

    ""3.in other two martial laws ,mullah parties were constantly supporting dictators .
    4.in Zia era ,Jamait e islami supported Zia .
    5.Zia has been the mentor for Nawaz Sharif ."""

    >>>

    I totally agree with you !

    """6.in 1999,MQM fully and open heartedly support Mush ."""

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    That's totally incorrect as MQM even boycotted local bodies' election of 2001 !

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Sep 2009 8:52 #

  2. Beenai
    Moderator

    what to do the fact that history is too cruel.
    it wont let any one to get away .
    maybe its you or me.
    its your favorite party or mine.
    but it uncovers every one and any one's role.
    unfortunately.

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Sep 2009 9:04 #

  3. AsifK
    Members

    Beenai

    I have probably read history more than u but leaving it a side.

    If bhutto joined politics in around 1956 and then there was a martial law in the country , how he is responsible for that ?

    If 'Napak Army' after getting rid of east pakistan and murdering milllions of bengalis , handed over poor in a consitituion less pakistan to bhutto , who he would have governorned pakistan without assuming the office of CMLA ? Within 4 months of assuming power, provisional constiution was framed. Whatelse could have been done ?

    If NS started politics in about 80's and there was 'Napak Rule' going in Pakistan , how he was responsible for that ?

    U talk of Kings party (PML-Q) , all of those guys were sitting on treasury benches on oct 99 , how they asked to tople their own govt.

    Again , MQm didn't participate in 2001 local bodies elections against mush plan to move local bodes subject from provinces to federation. Do u remember that ? And then blame them to be partners of Mush.

    Comeon bibi, lets be fair. This country has been and is being misgoverned by 'napak army'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Sep 2009 9:38 #

  4. zjshami
    Member

    We are so innocents to understand that the Article 6 of the Constitution can never be implemented, practically, politically and even legally.
    First in line is Zia-ul-Haq who abrogated the 1973 Constitution and could not be tried by Nawaz Sharif and Benazir during their two terms as PM.
    (The Martrial Law of Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan was under a different constitution and I am not aware of its provisions about the High Treason.)
    1. First the Law of Necessity is needed to be amended and abrogated completely.
    2. Each Martial Law in Pakistan involves 500-600 persons guilty of High Treason.
    3. All the culprits belong to a very strong Mafia having common economic and political interests. The Organs of the Government would never dare to cut their own feet.
    4. Only a Bloody Revolution or a Bloody Civil War could help to settle the issue temporarily.

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Sep 2009 12:36 #

  5. Beenai
    Moderator

    @Asifk,
    nowhere in any of my posts ,i have said that Army is innocent.
    what all i am saying that :
    politicians are NOT innocent too...

    being more knowledgeable than me ,u should have understood well ,what i am trying to say in my posts .

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 4:51 #

  6. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I am in favour of STARTING!!!!! the damned JUDICIAL process at least.

    We'll look at where it leads us later on.

    The major point here is, THIS IS!!! THE TIME TO START HANGING traitors of this nation.

    The time is now! It must!!! start. No matter how many follow onto the death ramp

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:50 #

  7. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Let me add some spice to the discussion here;

    I viewed Mere Mutabig dated 7th September 2009.

    In it Aitzaz Ahsan says, that Musharraf alone is convict'able, since his oath taking or some such document contained the word 'I'

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:51 #

  8. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    @hariskhan

    What's your take on Article 6

    """6. High treason.
    (1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.
    (2) Any person aiding or abetting the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason.
    (3) [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] shall by law provide for the punishment of persons found guilty of high treason. """

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:52 #

  9. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    However, I will re-iterate my personal stance;

    I am in favour of STARTING!!!!! the JUDICIAL process as soon as possible.

    We'll look at where it leads us later on.

    The major point here is, THIS IS!!! THE TIME TO START HANGING traitors of this nation.

    The time is now! It must!!! start. No matter how many follow onto the death ramp. Even if that means, I myself have to go on this death ramp

    I WANT JUSTICE!!! I WANT JUSTICE!!! WHICH OBEYS!!! ISLAM, I WANT IT TO BE IMPARTIAL!!!! I WANT IT TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD!!!! I WANT IT QUICK!!! I WANT IT TO BE EFFECTIVE!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:53 #

  10. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    By the same token with which bsobaid is putting others on the death ramp, I also stipulate, by the same token, the entire nation will have to go on the death ramp for not doing anything against Musharraf, since those who 'site on the sidelines and do nothing' are the BIGGEST law offenders :D

    Those who sit on the sidelines, quietly watch ALL the drama take place, don't put up the effort to resist, don't arrange mass protests to separate one man from this 'absolute power' are equally liable to the same penalty as the one who committed the crime.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:55 #

  11. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Red-Scorpion: To answer that question, I need to know how, where MMA comes into the picture

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:57 #

  12. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Red-Scorpion: Let me start by saying that Musharraf + PML-Q + MQM get affected from Article 6, since they are the main players, or those who were directly supporting Musharraf.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 9:59 #

  13. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Red-Scorpion: A question I can raise here is, to which incident/act, time of incident/act are we applying Article 6? for Musharraf's actions in 1998? or later on in his rule?

    For we all know, the two of the biggest resistance to Musharraf in his era were MMA + PTI. These same were also trying to get constitution re-instated as the supreme doctrine of LAW. Media played its role. Lawyers movement played its role. I will acknowledge everyone who made the effort to separate one man from this 'absolute power'.

    To date, I agree with the stance that the steps MMA + PTI took were logical, since a military dictator holds 'absolute power'. Since military dictators excersize this power in the same capacity, the ones trying to restore constitution HAVE!! to make compromises, HAVE!! to strike deals to separate one man from this 'absolute power'. The steps that anyone in that position takes, CANNOT!! be termed as 'treachery', 'treason', because of the prevailing circumstances.

    Each law that is made, is tuned to the prevailing circumstances. The verdict of LAW changes with change in prevailing circumstances.

    Yes, they did make mistakes, but those mistakes were NOT!! intentional. They made an error in judgment. They gave Musharraf too much leeway. Again, giving Musharraf a lot of leeway was NOT!!! stupidity. It was out of 'good' conscience that they gave Musharraf more chances than others to step down peacefully, without any significant reprisals.

    That doesn't mean MMA + PTI changed 'loyalties'. NO!!! it does NOT!!! mean that. They 'only' made a mistake in 'recognizing' Musharraf as a man of materialistic nature, as a man who would not stand firm on his word, as a man who would do anything to elongate his rule.

    Having said that, I'm open to other people putting up their opinion against mine. I will review this new info against my knowledge, my opinion, and adjust my opinion after careful consideration of facts, evidence, events, the 'context' in which they happened, etc etc

    Let me add here that 'the law is blind' is the notion given by western culture. I don't believe in it.

    I believe in the notion -> 'the law is NOT!! blind'

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 10:06 #

  14. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Very Easy.
    Ask army for court martial of Ayoub,Yahya,Zia and Musharraf.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Sep 2009 22:44 #

  15. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Sadly, the internal accountability system of Pak Army has been DEAD for decades.

    Now-a-days criminals from Pak Army personnel are given guard of honour in the name of 'them sacrificing themselves for the nation' which is straight-forward BS!

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 0:12 #

  16. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Time is changed . see this report.
    Sharifs 'soften' stance

    By: Maqbool Malik | Published: September 07, 2009

    ISLAMABAD - Sharif Brothers, the topnotch of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), are believed to have softened demand for the trial of former President Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf owing to international pressure by his guarantors including Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

    Well-placed party sources told TheNation Sunday that PML-N central leadership would take the party hierarchy into confidence about the pressure for softening their anti-Musharraf stance and party’s new plan of action to prepare it for next elections at party’s scheduled CEC meeting in Murree today (Monday).

    Sources attach great importance to Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Saudi Arabia in next few days where apart from performing Umrah he is expected to meet the Saudi high-ups in the backdrop of Musharraf’s recent visit to the Kingdom and his meeting with the King Abdullah.

    Sources were of the view that Saudi authorities have already conveyed to the Sharifs to take soft stance on Musharraf’s trial as the Kingdom regards him needy for help and cooperation as they were while out of power.

    The meeting, sources further said, would discuss and evolve a comprehensive strategy to hold party’s elections but after pushing it through an intense process of restructuring and reorganization at grass root level in all parts of the country.

    The CEC meeting would decide about the election timeframe either by the end of this year or early next year. The meeting, sources said would also take host of political issues for consideration including PML-N, PPP relations, law and order situation in Balochistan, fate of Local Bodies and implementation of Charter of Democracy by the PPP-led coalition government.

    http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...-soften-stance

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 0:23 #

  17. Beenai
    Moderator

    here ...unfortunately ...army decides everything.
    the stances they can take only to the limit ,army wants .
    after that ,army start pulling back their tails .
    so they have to STOP ,On ,as is where is basis.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Sep 2009 4:44 #

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