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Hijacked..!

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  1. By A Khokar March 3, 2011

    Those who see hope in the Middle East uprisings seem to assume that uprising will lead in the direction of freedom or democracy. There is a big talk of "liberation" of Egypt, even though the biggest change there has been that a one-man dictatorship has been replaced by a military dictatorship that has suspended the constitution.

    Perhaps the military dictatorship will be temporary, as its leaders say, but people have heard that---- song before. What we have also heard, too many times before, is the assumption that getting rid of an undemocratic government means that it will be replaced by a freer and better government.

    The bad regimes might be replaced by worse regimes. But one may wishfully assume that overthrowing a dictator means a movement toward freedom and democracy. The fact remains that Egyptians or others in the Middle East and elsewhere want freedom but this does not mean that they are also ready for freedom. That may be the firsthand dilemma of Middle East.

    There is quite a possibility that this movement of freedom may be hijacked; not by the usual suspects, the all time rival, old western oppressor nations but the local oppressor and autocrats that they have the wealth the authority and may not let this change happen the way the freedom enthusiasts want it to happen. All the dictators have decades old experience of subjugating the masses. After all those masses have stayed subjected to coercion and subjugation for so long; deprived, destitute and always looking towards the hand of their tyrant monarch to drop few bucks for them to live on.

    In the face of all the winds of changes on the horizon even King of House of Saud very generously announced a grand 35 billion dollar grant for the needy as alms on his recovery of health. Once again it reminds the people that he still holds the fort of his autocracy. But--- will the people knowing it to be such refuse to reject the enumeration that king wishes them to accept considering them as his subjects. The peoples who have suffered from the mortification of their dignity, self respect and humiliation for so long may not have left with the appetite of such an abrupt freedom; especially to rise against the totalitarian regime of Saudi king.

    On the other hand the sudden eruption of movement of freedom and toppling of the western installed dictatorial regime, one after the other, is proved to be as the night mare for the west. It is a direct attack on the Neocons- world order. The change in status quo of western installed regimes is not desirable. In order to thwart the movement of freedom in the Middle East and harness the revolution--- the Libyan turmoil is especially been manipulated to turn Libyan uprising into a civil war. Ghadafi defiance and his blunt moves to crush the uprising is serving as catalyst that on the pretext of preventing a catastrophe in the Libya; US as well as UK are seen all out to launch unilateral offensive against Ghadafi. This is a new play which comes to action. Execution of western operation and finally deposition of Ghadafi may be stretched long to divert the attention of masses and to defuse and let the heat of freedom die down.

    While the youth of Middle East using the mass mobilization tools of social net working as their weapon is bent to bring about a real secular democratic change in the Middle East---they are looking beyond the dictatorial regimes. But they are still a leaderless mob; looking for some mystero to come and lead them.
    The dictatorial regimes still clinging on to the power may be more than willing to abet and cooperate with the West to call back their past.

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 0:03 #
  2. A brief:

    How west is preparing to launch an offensive against Libya
    Reportedly the Pentagon is deploying naval and air forces around Libya as the US and UK governments consider tougher measures to force Muammer Gaddafi from power, including the possible establishment of a no-fly zone.

    “We must not tolerate this regime using military force against its own people,” David Cameron, UK prime minister, said. “In that context I have asked the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Defence Staff to work with our allies on plans for a military no-fly zone.”

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    Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, at a UN meeting in Geneva, said: “Nothing is off the table so long as the Libyan government continues to threaten and kill Libyans.” She added she had discussed a no-fly zone with other foreign ministers.

    She insisted the naval deployments did not signal pending military action, emphasising instead that refugees might need to be rescued at sea amid a worsening humanitarian crisis.

    However, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister of Turkey, which has the second largest standing army in Nato, on Tuesday rejected intervention by the western alliance in Libya as “unthinkable”.

    “Can you even consider such an absurdity?” Mr Erdogan said at a conference in Germany when asked about calls for Nato to intervene in Libya. “As Turkey, we’re against this, this can’t even be talked about, it’s unthinkable.”

    Russia and France also opposed military action, with Paris saying humanitarian aid and cutting off Col Gaddafi’s funding sources should be the priorities.

    Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman called last week for NATO countries to impose a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent air attacks by Mr Gaddafi on opponents who have wrested control of large parts of the country from him.

    According to Colonel David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, US military planners are working on “various contingency plans ... [and] repositioning forces to be able to provide for that flexibility once decisions are made”.

    The military manoeuvring coincided with US and UK efforts to ratchet up financial pressure being brought to bear on Colonel Gaddafi, whose forces remain in control of Tripoli, the capital.

    “As of today at least $30bn in government of Libya assets under US jurisdiction have been blocked,” said David Cohen, acting US Treasury undersecretary. “This is the largest blocking under any sanctions programme ever.”

    The UK, meanwhile, has frozen at least £1bn of assets belonging to Col Gaddafi and five members of his family.

    With Col Gaddafi apparently willing to fight to the death, some opponents of the regime are arguing that the international community should threaten military action, in an effort to persuade the Libyan leader’s forces to defect and hasten his downfall.

    Col Gaddafi’s enemies fear his ability to dig in and threaten cities that have already fallen to rebel forces. There were reports Monday that the Libyan air force had bombed an arms depot in territory held by anti-regime forces in the country’s eastern region.

    In a defiant interview, Col Gaddafi told the BBC that “all my people love me” and are prepared to die for him.

    UK officials said they could use of a British military air base in Akrotiri, Cyprus to enforce a no-fly mission. “Akrotiri would be very useful if we wanted to deploy,” said an official. “That would seem most logical.”

    Although fixed-wing aircraft appear to be depleted, British officials said the main concern was that Col Gaddafi could use helicopters to mount bombing raids on opponents.

    Pentagon officials say deployments are small in scale. A Pentagon spokesman said US military planners are working on “various contingency plans [and] repositioning forces to be able to provide for that flexibility once decisions are made”.

    Top military officials in Washington have also been looking at other options, including “safe zones” for people sheltering from the regime, securing ports, airports and oil fields and providing guarantees for an attempt to set up a new government.

    UN approval of a no-fly zone would be difficult to secure, given China’s and Russia’s extensive doubts about military intervention. Some western diplomats suggested a no fly-zone could be imposed by a coalition of nations outside the Nato remit.

    US officials emphasise that co-operation with Britain and France would be particularly important, but Germany has signalled deep reluctance about any military intervention.

    The European Union also announced sanctions on Libya. But while the measures went further than a United Nations Security Council resolution agreed at the weekend they were less extensive than unilateral US measures, which froze assets belonging to Libya’s sovereign wealth fund.

    Libya also looks likely to become the first country to be expelled from the UN Human Rights Council.

    Foreign ministers from the US, Russia, the UK, Germany and other states convened on Monday for a council session in Geneva, where they condemned the violence that Col Gaddafi has unleashed on his opponents in recent days.

    The International Criminal Court prosecutor said on Monday that he hoped to complete a preliminary examination of the violence in Libya in a few days before opening a full investigation.

    Last reports are coming in that UN has thrown Libya off human rights council.

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 0:14 #
  3. iamsowise

    Once again U.S and Europe are going for massacre to protect oil.Mediterranean sea is the ideal place for U.S and European craft carriers.
    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/google_map_Tripoli.htm

    Hillery defending "US aid program".

    ہلری کلنٹن نے بیرونی ممالک کے لیے امریکی امداد کا دفاع کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ اِس طرح کےاخراجات نے مصر میں فوجی عہدے داروں کی ایک کھیپ کو تربیت دی جِس نے قاہرہ کےحالیہ احتجاجوں کے دوران اپنے ہی لوگوں پر فائر کھولنے سے انکار کیا۔
    http://www.voanews.com/urdu/news/libya_clinton_testimony_01mar11-117187393.html

    “If you follow, as we follow, all the websites that are looking at what’s happening in the Middle East, you see a constant drumbeat that the United States is going to invade Libya to take over the oil. Well, we are not going to do that, and we are going to side with the Libyan people and their aspirations. But the last thing in the world we wanted was to start off with military assets when we very effectively got our people out,” she said.
    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Clinton-Says-All-Options-Open-on-Libya-117155238.html

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 0:32 #
  4. Dell,

    Khuda karay keh "Mohabat" main woh Maqaam aaey
    Main kissi ka Naam loun aour Lab peh 'Tumhara' Naam aaey

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 0:40 #
  5. Khokhar Sb.

    Is that directed to me or Khalifatul Massih V Hazrat Mirza Masroor?

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 4:07 #
  6. @dell
    "Is that directed to me or Khalifatul Massih V Hazrat Mirza Masroor?"

    :-P

    @iamsowise
    "Once again U.S and Europe are going for massacre to protect oil.Mediterranean sea is the ideal place for U.S and European craft carriers."
    Not just U.S. and E.U. Remember Canada is readying troops too and of course U.N. is sanctioning all this....

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 4:52 #
  7. Ghadafi defiance and his blunt moves to crush the uprising is serving as catalyst that on the pretext of preventing a catastrophe in the Libya; US as well as UK are seen all out to launch unilateral offensive against Ghadafi.

    We do hear that politician do not tighten snooze around their neck; but Rulers of Middle East probably they are not politician; they are dictators.

    After Saddam Hussein he will be the second man to go down ---the gallows.

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 11:53 #
  8. Salam

    I thought you were going to advise libyan people to use 'pens' against Qazafi :)

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 11:59 #
  9. Ghadafi had plenty of time at his hand to sample the winds when it started blowing toward his domain and should have realized that his day are now numbered and could have escaped this present mess and the humiliation.

    He has still got some time at his hand to reconcile. He is not in a fix like Saddam Hussein was; the situation that he found himself after invading Kuwait. Ghadafi can still patch up with his other two tribes and may take the air out of this bloodied balloon. But everybody is not courageous enough like our great Musharraf (that we like to hate)--to call it a day.

    Inhaan nay 100 gandhay vee kha laneay nain; tay 100 chitter vee

    They end up losing their honour, dignity and their country also. Then they start aping the west that how badly they behaved against them.

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 12:29 #
  10. Salam

    مطلب کے اب آپ سمجھ گئے ہیں کے پین سے کام نہیں چلا کرتا

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 12:35 #
  11. @dell"Hypocrisy..!"

    And "Plagiarism..!"

    Aay has proved once again whose mouthpiece he is and in his enthusiasm started believing their words are really his. This whole comment is a rip-off of this FT article
    :-P

    @Salam
    مطلب کے اب آپ سمجھ گئے ہیں کے پین سے کام نہیں چلا کرتا

    Samjhay yay kuch nahiN -- apnay matlab kay layay sab jaiz hai. Kal phir non-violence kay ganay gaaiN **** khokhar sahib...

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 13:02 #
  12. Salam

    جی بلکل معاملہ پیچیدہ ہے کیونکہ یا تو یہ سمجھ رہے گی یا ان کا دھرم دونوں ایک ہی جگہ نہیں رہ سکتے

    اور یہ دیکھ کر بڑا افسوس ہوا کہ کھوکھر صاحب نقل مارتے ہوے رنگے ہاتھوں پکڑے گئے

    شرم تم کو مگر نہیں آتی

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 13:51 #
  13. Meray Piyaray Sallam,

    They say: Apni Izzat hey Naheen doosaroun ko bay- izzat karney main der naheen Lagattay.

    Bloody well all the brief given above is jest of the news pertaining to the development-- in and around Libya. I do not generate news myself; certainly it has to be from the newspapers and who so ever has said--- in ditto their names etc are also given.

    But question is that rather than coming out with some positive comments on the subject; why must you indulge in mudslinging on others?

    Oh; I know for few days you have not hurled abuses so you are completing your quota here.

    Mounh ka Zaiqa khurab ho raha ho gaa.
    Magar ; mery bhai;Itnaa na gir jaya karo---

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 18:14 #
  14. @Aay
    "all the brief given above is jest of the news pertaining to the development-- in and around Libya. I do not generate news myself; certainly it has to be from the newspapers and who so ever has said--- in ditto their names etc are also given."

    Still lying, eh Aay? No it is NOT "jest of the news pertaining to the development-- in and around Libya" but EXACT COPY OF ONE SINGLE ARTICLE (that I provided the link to) and NO, "their names etc are also given" is ANOTHER BOLD-FACED LIE!!! ;-)

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 18:22 #
  15. I said so that it is a ditto copy of that; but what is this fuss about?

    I never ever claimed that I am some big writer; I know that most of the blogs are run by mediocres.

    So better say about the subject if you want to say something--- otherwise; it is always counted as wise to be quite.

    Anyhow; you may start hurling few more abuses if you want to; so that you may feel cool; i will not reply....if that satisfy your abuse quota problem.

    **

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 18:48 #
  16. KHAN_Sahib

    AK. Sahib..
    At least don't "Justify" Plagiarism. You didn't give link / Reference to the above article. A simple apology would have clear the matter but it's sad to see you dodging the issue. We may be opposite in religious or political views but I do respect your views though Plagiarism is wrong.

    Posted 3 years ago on 02 Mar 2011 19:05 #
  17. Salam

    کھوکھر صاحب نقل مارتے ہوے آپ سرے عام پکڑے گئے ہیں اور الزام مجھ پر دھر رہے ہیں، ایک تو چوری اور پھر سینہ زوری؟

    یہ کوئی معمولی چوری نہیں، اس قسم کی حرکت پر جرمن وزیر دفاع کو استعفےٰ دینا پڑا ہے، کیا آپ میں اخلاقی جرات ہے کہ اپنی غلطی تسلیم کر کے معافی مانگیں؟

    آداب

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 0:04 #
  18. The developing Stories
    U.S. Cools 'Loose Talk' Over No-Fly Zone

    The U.S. military would have to launch pre-emptive strikes to destroy Libya's air defenses should President Obama order imposition of a no-fly zone over the country, Defense Secretary Gates said.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559604576176500359449950.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLENews

    U.S. Backs Bahrain Royalty

    The U.S. is stepping up its support for Bahrain's beleaguered ruling family, throwing a lifeline to a key ally and signaling Washington's willingness to vary its approach depending on its strategic interests and the willingness of autocratic leaders to respond to popular protests.

    After backing opposition calls for the removal of President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Col. Moammar Gadhafi in Libya, President Barack Obama has tentatively embraced efforts by King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa of Bahrain to ease tensions and advance reform, despite an initial wave of violence against protesters.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703409904576174830538031352.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLENews

    Egypt Faces Critical Decision on Its Future

    A decade from now, will Egypt look more like Poland, an Eastern European post-communism success, or more like Pakistan, an economically dysfunctional breeding ground for terrorists?
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704728004576176264149237494.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLENews

    International Court to Open Libya Probe

    The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court says he is opening a formal investigation into possible crimes against humanity in Libya.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559604576176250087734980.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLENews

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 1:06 #
  19. Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 1:17 #
  20. shirazi

    @AK

    US 'd perhaps back every regime in ME except Qaddafi's and Iranian regime. All these royal autocracies are US puppets. I am afraid Qaddafi's high handedness is enough to kill the momentum.

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 1:28 #
  21. Salam

    مان لیں سرکار، ضد چھوڑ دیں، چوری کر کے نظر انداز نا کریں

    اور یہ آپ پین کو چھوڑ کر تشدد کے حمایتی کب سے ہو گئے؟ کیا یہ آپ کے دھرم کے خلاف نہیں؟

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 5:36 #
  22. @Salam
    Just for reference, some recent threads started by Aay
    Not by the Sword; Jihad by the Pen and Keyboard
    A call of Jihad by Pen

    But this hypocrisy is in the qadyani dna isn't it? Wasn't Mirza Ghulam Qadiyan preaching against Jihad while at the same time renting out merceneries to the British for their jihad?
    :)

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 6:02 #
  23. Salam

    جی میرا اشارہ بلکل اسی جانب تھا

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 6:18 #
  24. I feel like reiterating that I wish that beside River Indus, River Nile was also flowing in my Country.

    For the known history; although the region along the River Nile has been the home land of most of the Prophets of God and rightly so natures for centuries has been working hard in moulding and nurturing its civilisation to achieve perfection; that today we see that sons and daughters of Egyptian soils who were forced to live under the oppressive regime of despot Hosni Mubarak for so long---- but when they were put to test; they rose; not as disloyal to their land but rose with honour and dignity. The world is all praise worthy of their resilience, dignity and steadfastness while they got united to move ahead to achieve their goal for their democratic and Islamic moderate society.

    I wish; there was some Nile flowing in my country also; and we were not to put up with the peoples like we have--- disloyal to this land, hypocrite and bunch of extremists and mercenaries who would even betray their nation and subvert and love to 'sleep with the enemy' for paltry monies.

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:04 #
  25. This virus has spread like an Epidemic

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:21 #
  26. @Aay
    "I wish; there was some Nile flowing in my country also; and we were not to put up with the peoples like we have--- disloyal to this land, hypocrite and bunch of extremists and mercenaries who would even betray their nation and subvert and love to 'sleep with the enemy' for paltry monies."

    If that was a true wish, you'd commit suicide. That'll be a good start! :)

    P.S. Interesting cartoon again, Aay the subverter. Interesting because it does not include Sudan among the "Ahh-chos", your masters having achieved their aim there...

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:27 #
  27. Dear Friends,
    The class less, secular and pro-democratic virus is found very effectively dismantling the chronic and age old ailment of oppression and cancerous tyranny in the Middle East. Victims have already started taking a fresh breath of air of their new life of freedom.

    Kissi kay bas main naheen tha; kissi kay bas main naheen;
    Buladion ko sadda pamaal kar rakhna.

    In adjacent country like in Pakistan; where the ailment of anarchy is found spread by a new emerging creed of religious oppressors and is seen having deployed its weapon of blasphemy in defence to keep its coerced, enslaved masses isolated and in their fold--- but believably the new virus is proven potent enough to scale down all such barriers and will soon be seen hitting the very roots of Pakistani ailment ---exposing and make standing its oppressors; bare ---to die out for good.

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:51 #
  28. Salam

    یہ جرثومہ آخر آپ کی خلافت کو کیوں نہیں لگ جاتا؟

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:07 #
  29. Yeh jarasooma jahaan Allah Chahatta hey; waheen lagta hey.

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:59 #
  30. Salam

    یہ تو قول و فعل میں تضاد ہو گیا

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 15:05 #
  31. khoi tazaad naheen;

    Ab yeh jarssoma middle east main Dukhoun ka madawa ker raha hey. Din dour naheen keh pakistan main bassney walay Din kay dushman Hipocite oppressor tabqay bhi jallad he bister bandhattey nazar aain gey.

    Posted 3 years ago on 03 Mar 2011 15:42 #
  32. Let’s recall back some of the Libyan memories and watch a movie;
    Lion of the Desert Umar Mukhtar Libya [FULL MOVIE]

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 9:44 #
  33. Salam

    I am sure there would be many Ahmadi fatwas against resistance fighters like Omar Mukhtar, because it is against their core belief to resist occupation, they suggest to accept occupation as legitimate rulers-

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 9:55 #
  34. hkbajwa

    wow guys

    AK started a thread on how the current bushfire running rampant across the middle east has been initiated by the west.

    But somehow it has all come down to him being an ahmedi

    This forum is seriously a stupid waste of time now... there is no debate going on here any more.. it's one gang vs. the other gang, with everybody trying to shove their opinion down the other's throat and completely refusing to listen to differing opinions.

    Dear moderators and members... this forum is a failure..

    I wish you all the best of luck in your lives... i'm through with this stupidity.

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 10:22 #
  35. Salam

    Sure, if a MQM supporter starts talking about something that goes against MQM then one would be surprised?

    Why not reject libyan resistance based on teachings of Mirza? Or should I take it that one has denounced those teachings?

    Confusion.. confusion..

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 10:29 #
  36. Dear Moderator, Admin and Friends,

    Overnight a link of a movie pertaining to Libyan History was received which I watched some time back in 1978 and I felt it appropriate to put it up here that while we are discussing about the Liberation movement in the region why not remember the old movements and see that how; the western colonial powers of the old are again swarming in to have their come back and quell the present up rising.

    But I was horrified to see the comments of some of my friends.

    One wonders that staying on with this forum is worth anything where just a mocking and slandering is exercised and nepotism is promoted.

    Realistically speaking; this forum somehow has fallen in the hands of extremist and there is no more room left to express any diverse or just views.

    I second hkbajwah views expressed here.

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:15 #
  37. "One wonders that staying on with this forum is worth anything where just a mocking and slandering is exercised and nepotism is promoted."

    Since when did pointing out plagiarism (and justifying it) and hypocrisy become "mocking and slandering"?

    Very interesting.... :)

    "the western colonial powers of the old are again swarming in to have their come back and quell the present up rising."

    Same hypocrisy here. While supposedly supporting the "uprising", you are supporting their hijacking by the very same colonial powers. If pointing that out is "extremism", then so be it....

    Posted 3 years ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:50 #
  38. jaypk

    @topic..most of the topic is an excerpt frm other sites...besides thr are 2 other threads with the same nature one of them is the arab turmoil so basically thr was no need to launch another one but better to add yer views into the same thread.i wish if its good fr them nation thn they get liberation and keep up the name of islam in any way possible.

    @AK....yaaar...aik to aap baaaz naee aatay ho...the first 2 posts..if they are not yer creation thn you shud ve pasted the links...if they are your creation thn call it yer creation to shut up the mouths of khan sahab and salam...and also..i dont know...with all due respect...why dont you take a break sir...each and every thread of yours...salam and nota always came in to make it a f***up and drag it towards yer faith...apnee izzat apnay haath main hotee hay bhai...whn they dont know how to talk on issues with you and drag and match everythin with yer faith ..thn i consider it as YER fault...nt thrs.!!

    @salam and nota...this thread was abt the arab issue.....if you guys cant keep it to the post..atleast dnt drag it to AK,s faith and drag hsi faith and plunder it in every thread..! is it neccessary to make fun of his beleifs everytime and insult his faith.r you guys are senior and most respectable here on this forum thn i fail to understand how come you guys always loose your integrity and get into this anti ahmadiya stunt and disgrace AK all the time..if he doesnt understand..atleast you guys can..!!

    @dell...whd the F*** are you taking about...you are a total retard and loser...look at whd the topic is all about...if you cant share anything out of your intellect to this topic..thn keep your filthy wisdom to yourself...to anyone who is witnessing your SECOND POST it was a total off topic post which is full of stupid lies and your ill brainy creation. you have a fowl mouth and you dont think once before using it with utter disgrace towards others. i M REPORTING YOUR POST and will make sure that you stick to topic and keep your less knowledge brainiacs to yourself. Their annual budget of one of thr local jamat is more thn our jaama e masjid fund and they give it happily so who the f*** are you to get jealous and spread fu**ups about thm..!

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Mar 2011 17:41 #
  39. Jaypak,
    Thanks for your kind concern and I whole heartedly appreciate it---but ---don’t you see that every time my friends ---they come up with their sabre rattling and deviant onslaught---they only come up to expose themselves.

    Yesterday I had thought of it that better quit this forum that this has literally become an awful site and has now proved; a quite failure.... It has fallen in the hands of a bunch of few--total extremists with their aim to silence all such voices which they think that they may challenge them squarely.

    This forum is no more a place for any diverse or just comments/ views. Admin as well as moderators also prefer to remain away and detached. It is not their fault; this land has fallen in the wrong hands.

    But then I thought – that what happens about my declaration;--- Mujhe Hai Hukum E Azaan- La Illa ha Illallah?

    As ‘a lone ranger’ I must carry on against all the odds. Simply to ignore them.

    And I know that;

    Howling of the Streeters may not deter the journey plan of the way farers or caravans---or
    They say:
    Awaz e Saggan Kum na kunad Rizq e gadda ra

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Mar 2011 19:00 #
  40. @Aay
    "As ‘a lone ranger’ I must carry on against all the odds."

    Don't forget the hat and the mask!
    And what about Tonto and Silver (Lone Ranger really wasn't that lone a ranger <wink>, <wink>)

    @jaypak
    Well as long as I have to suffer through this hypocrisy (and plagiarism) and the same old crap without end, I really don't mind pointing out the deceit over and over again. Are you suggesting he should be allowed to get away with his bullsh!t?

    BTW You can go enjoy (another "new") offering from our buddy here. If anything new "dawns" on you, please do let me know.

    P.S. Religion came into this thread for a very logical reason (as in all others).

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Mar 2011 19:25 #
  41. jaypk

    @nota....yaaar..you seem a nice decent guy..so i thot you reserve your integrity....no..i m nt suggesting tht he shud be allowed..as you have seen tht i have clearly stated to keep him shut in the first place thn you guys,,,but thr are other guys on this forum who plagiarise...thr are other guys who spread false believes but i dnt see your bunch doin jihaad fe sabeel illah against them....yeh jahan kooday ga...waheen aap logon ka koodna zaroori hay kia?? why always bang yerself with the wall..!

    P.S..its Jaypk....not Jaypak..!

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Mar 2011 20:09 #
  42. 8 British Special service group soldier are arrested in Benghazi Libya.

    Reportedly they were on a special secret mission

    British Defence Secretary Liam Fox has confirmed that a "small diplomatic team" is in Benghazi to talk to Libyan rebels.
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Eight-SAS-Soldiers-Detained-By-Rebels-In-Benghazi/Article/201103115946465?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15946465_Libya%3A_Eight_SAS_Soldiers_Detained_By_Rebels_In_Benghazi

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Mar 2011 11:55 #
  43. "8 British Special service group soldier are arrested in Benghazi Libya"

    From the video on that link:

    "The rebels seem to take offense at the arrival of these eight foreign heavily armed and clearly well-trained special forces soldiers (who were in plain clothes) and take them into custody."

    And here's one from a couple of days ago:
    Three Dutch marines captured during rescue in Libya

    Of course Netherlands' defence ministry's spin is they were "trying to evacuate foreign citizens." Funny -- they were there not to rescue even their own and on a Lynx helicopter that is too small to rescue anyone.

    Here's more from BBC:
    Libya TV shows captured Dutch navy helicopter crew

    A Dutch navy helicopter crew have been shown on Libyan state TV after being captured while attempting to evacuate two foreign citizens...Dutch officials say the helicopter was captured on Sunday near Sirte while trying to fly out two Europeans.

    Just two? Told ya Lynx was small and hardly fit for rescue mission. And why were they carrying weapons???? And what is so special about those two Europeans that the Dutch would risk the life of three of their crew members and break international law for???

    When a heavy machine gun and belt of bullets are displayed, an on-screen caption in Arabic says: "According to the [Saudi-backed] broadcaster al-Arabiya, this helicopter was sent to rescue people, but we can see something else here.

    "The helicopter flew into Libyan airspace and landed in Sirte without any permission from the authorities and this is in violation of international law."

    Assault rifles, dollar notes, notebooks, pistols, mobile phones, bullets and ammunition, military-fatigue body armour, inflatable life jackets and a Sony digital camera are also shown off in the video.

    (video at the link)

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Mar 2011 13:16 #
  44. Salam

    I think brit were trying to negotiate with a party to replace qadhafi, but that envoy got exposed

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Mar 2011 13:21 #
  45. Saudi Arabia bans protest rallies
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/03/201135143046557642.html

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Mar 2011 20:53 #
  46. liv_2_die

    wese samajh menu v nai aaye ... hun qalam da jihad kerey khuuu vich giya ???

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Mar 2011 22:08 #
  47. @liv_2_die
    "wese samajh menu v nai aaye ... hun qalam da jihad kerey khuuu vich giya ??? "

    Ooee purarnay khuuu vich ;-)

    Now regarding that "8 British Special service group soldier are arrested in Benghazi Libya", the old spin (the diplomat bit) is changing...(btw: US and French special forces are already in Libya as well and hope some of them get captured too)

    Suddenly that "small diplomatic team" is in Benghazi to talk to Libyan rebels has changed to "to have been on a hunt for WMD’s in Libya when it was taken into custody".

    Amazing, isn't it?

    Let's see what it changes to next...

    Related: Another curious story is being splashed all over that I somehow don't believe: Israel company recruiting 50,000 African mercenaries for Gadhafi. I think this is designed to turn minds against Qaddafi, nothing more and to keep away any ME countries coming to Muammar's aid.

    P.S. Not related directly but another curious one about Italian Berlusconi doing what Berlusconi does best. Again I think this is an attenpt to knock down Qaddafi further, nothing more.

    Related:

    'If the Americans Come, They Would Steal our Revolution'

    Obama: U.S. To "Act Rapidly Against Libya

    Massive Information War against Libya for US/West Military Intervention?

    LIBYA: ARE THE US AND EU PUSHING FOR CIVIL WAR TO JUSTIFY NATO INTERVENTION?

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 7:23 #
  48. Ironically Jasmine revolution is an awakening of Muslims of ME from their long grievous slumber;---their self imposed hibernation of ignorance

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:12 #
  49. Seeking help from old colonial powers by anti Ghadafi forces is open invitation to let revisit the past era of oppression of the West

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:12 #
  50. When will Aljazeera also back a campaign to free its own country Qatar; US occupies Qatar having US air base @ AlHudaid as Centcom HQ

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:13 #
  51. To what avail was the Independence of Libya that after passing of 65 years they have 2 call back old colonial oppressors again to come help liberate them

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:14 #
  52. Don’t blame the West. Military general of ME are real culprits who kept the oppressors tyrants propped up for so long

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:15 #
  53. @Aay
    "Don’t blame the West."

    This latest series of your posts proves once and for all how high up "the Lone Ranger's" brian is up Silver's @rse and how deep Tonto's *ick is up yours :)

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:37 #
  54. Salam

    Libyan airforce targeting civilians, it should be neutralized by so called United Nations, their criminal silence tells that they still hope to see Gaddafi's continual!

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:38 #
  55. @Salam
    "Libyan airforce targeting civilians, it should be neutralized by so called United Nations"

    Ah, suddenly we have all faith in UN?

    P.S. "Civilians" as opposed to "those fighting Gaddafi"? How do you differentiate? How do you know they are attacking "civilians"? I think you are buying too much into the propaganda. Suddenly Gaddafi is the baddest and the West has become the "saviours". Wow!

    And how come no calls for a no-fly-zone right here? Last I checked, Pakistani airforce has been "targeting civilians" for years...

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:47 #
  56. BTW: Here is the latest -- two opposing stories:
    Rebel Advance in Libya Set Back by Heavy Assault

    TV here is running a ticker saying Qaddafi has agreed to resign provided he and his family are given protection, that according to "arab rasaN agency". How authentic that is I have no clue...

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:54 #
  57. Salam

    Hello nota,

    What surprises me is your sudden soft spot for the worst of all dictators, mr. gaddafi

    Of course I have no hope or expectation from UN, I was just pointing out how they use this institution to impose their world order only.

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 11:57 #
  58. @salam
    "What surprises me is your sudden soft spot for the worst of all dictators, mr. gaddafi"

    No, no soft spot. I think the Libyans are themselves capable of deposing him. I am surprised at your sudden faith in Western imperialism and UN, that's all. Have you forgotten Iraq's no-fly zones?

    BTW: Latest is just say a blurb on TV that Arab nations have "offered support for no-fly zone over Libya" (no details), so you might be getting your wish. And I hope you know what no-fly zones" mean:
    "Libya no-fly zone would require bombing raids: US

    So basically you are saying "strangers bomb Libya" bacause a Libyan is bombing Libya. Hmmm.....Reminds me of the old "destroying the village to save it" bit.
    ;-)

    Why do you think this no-fly zone shunned by some world leaders???

    Other countries were lukewarm about Mr Cameron’s call, with Russia opposing it outright and France publicly questioning the wisdom of it.

    The US distanced itself from the plan, while Turkey said Nato intervention in the north African country would be “unthinkable”.

    Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said a no-fly zone was “superfluous” and that world powers must focus on fully using United Nations sanctions. Russia’s consent is required for any backing from the UN because it is a veto-holding member of the Security Council.

    Laurent Wauquiez, France’s minister for European affairs, said: “How would it be perceived? Would it not be turned back against us, with people saying: 'The West is attacking because Libya has oil?’ 

    Robert Gates, the US Defence Secretary, noted that the UN resolution against Libya did not authorise the use of force and that “there is no unanimity within Nato for the use of armed force”.

    “The kind of options that have been talked about in the press and elsewhere have their own consequences, so they need to be considered very carefully,” he said.

    The Stop The War Coalition said that a no-fly zone would not help bring about the downfall of Gaddafi. A spokesman said: “The lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan are that Western intervention, such as now being advocated for Libya, will have disastrous consequences and could be the prelude to another war.” ...

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 12:35 #
  59. Salam

    I think bhadrakumar's analysis is pretty reasonable, there are muslims on one side and rest of the world including russia & china on other side-

    I think there is a stalemate between Qadhafi loyal forces and resistance fighters, while West is trying to find suitable option to replace Qadafi...

    I don't know what made you bring in "no-fly zones" subject here, perhaps my pointing to UN's silence, but I already explained why I said that..

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 12:54 #
  60. Here's the latest:
    U.S. asks Saudi Arabia to supply Libyan rebels with weapons as Pro-Gaddafi forces hit back
    Move would avoid direct U.S. military involvement in Libya unrest

    Libyan rebels make efforts to rearm as fighting intensifies
    Gadhafi forces advance on rebel-held areas as country slides toward civil war

    Gadhafi slams Western media casualty reports
    Gadhafi maintained that al-Qaeda is behind the chaos in his country, and denied there have been mass killings.

    Libyan authorities offer olive branch to rebels
    A leading member of Libya's ruling establishment appealed to rebel leaders for dialogue on Monday, in the clearest sign yet Muammar Gaddafi may be ready to compromise with opponents challenging his rule.
    ...
    He asked them to "give a chance to national dialogue to resolve this crisis, to help stop the bloodshed, and not give a chance to foreigners to come and capture our country again."

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Mar 2011 12:55 #

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