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How A Few Pakistanis Conspire Against Pakistan Military And ISI

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  1. ali-pk
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    How A Few Pakistanis Conspire Against Pakistan Military And ISI
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    One day an idea is discussed on Twitter in Pakistan. Next day, an anti-military draft is released in Hong Kong, and another submitted to the Supreme Court in Islamabad.

    SPECIAL REPORT | Friday | 23 December 2011
    PakNationalists.com

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Here is an interesting sequence of events that shows how Pakistan’s military and its main foreign intelligence-gathering agency, the ISI, are targeted from the inside by a group of Pakistanis conspiring against a vital pillar of the State.

    One day, a group of Pakistanis linked to foreign embassies decides to launch a legal campaign to oust and prosecute the two generals that lead the army and the ISI.

    The next day, a rights group based in Hong Kong issues a detailed slanderous paper full of lies and insinuations against our military, mirroring and endorsing biased and motivated propaganda coming from foreign countries. Of course, the Pakistani viewpoint is not reflected in the document.

    On the same day, a case is filed in the Supreme Court demanding Army chief Gen. Kayani and ISI’s Lt. Gen. Pasha are tried for treason.

    What is Kayani and Pasha’s crime? The two have overreached – in the eyes of the conspirators – in probing whether someone from Pakistan wrote a secret memo to the US government seeking support to mount a coup against the country’s military and intelligence leaderships, replacing them with US stooges.

    As government’s probe flounders and suspicions arise of a possible cover-up, the two generals approach the Supreme Court to ensure such a probe happens.

    What the generals did was legal and respectful of the law. After all, what spy agency in any country wouldn’t show interest in a conspiracy targeting the institution and involving a foreign government?

    THE CONSPIRACY

    Probing possible internal breaches to national security is inherent to the job of ISI and should be backed by the government and the military. But for some reason this did not suit newspaper editor Beena Sarwar, TV producer Fifi Haroon, New America Foundation fellow Najam Sethi, and UN coordinator Marvi Sirmed.

    There are indications that Farahnaz Isphahani, President Zardari’s media adviser and Husain Haqqani’s wife, is behind the idea of demanding the resignations of the two generals. But there is no evidence implicating her so far.

    On 18 December, their timeline on Twitter [see the screen shot] goes something like this:

    Beenasarwar: it gets curious and curiouser. Firs this Mansoorijaz pops out of the woodwork in USA, now this Shafqatullah in Canada #memogate

    Fifiharoon: @beenasarwar you mean it gets more & more ridiculous! We should petition CJ to take suo moto notice of ISI as a threat to Pakistan

    Najamsethi: @fifiharoon @beenasarwar What a good idea! We should draft an alternative petition signed by 100 prominent citizens & send it to CPJ ASAP

    Marvisirmed: @najamsethi BTW, I have got around 20 citizens on it already. @fifiharoon @beenasarwar

    Someone might say this is legal too and nothing wrong in it.

    It looks like that. But wait. The conspiracy goes beyond Pakistan’s borders.

    The very next day, 19 December, a draft is ready and released as promised by Mr. Sethi. But it comes out of Hong Kong, from the offices of an NGO called Asian Human Rights Commission. The AHRC is a private group dominated by Indian activists.

    The group issues an Urgent Appeal.

    Also on 19 December a petition is submitted in the Supreme Court in Islamabad against Pakistan Army and ISI chiefs demanding their resignations and trial for treason.

    WHO ARE THE CONPIRATORS?

    Ms. Beena Sarwar is a cheerleader for Indian supremacy over Pakistan. She endorses Indian political claims in disputes with Pakistan.

    Mr. Sethi, along with his wife, work for a US think tank and are recent converts to the US government view on Pakistan and its future. Their daughter, Mira, landed a job at Wall Street Journal, a US paper that promotes anti-Pakistanism. Her first assignment … you guessed it right: attack Pakistan’s military.

    Mrs. Marvi Sirmed works for the UN office in Pakistan. She’s been leading frontal attacks on Pakistan’s military and ISI in newspapers and TV appearances, endorsing every word about them coming from adversarial foreign governments. In a recent TV appearance, she ridiculed the entire premise behind Pakistan’s rise as an independent nation. Unfortunately, Pakistani laws do not incriminate anti-state speech. It is not clear if her opinions are endorsed by her employers.

    AHRC’S APPEAL

    The Indian-dominated rights group released on 19 December the draft that Sethi, Sarwar, Haroon and Sirmed conceived on the 18th.

    Now look at how they twist facts and spread lies against Pakistan’s military institutions:

    FIRST CLAIM: The AHRC decides in its document that Mansoor Ijaz “wrote” the secret memo, implicitly absolving Husain Haqqani from at least coauthoring the memo, if not authoring it outright. This case is being reviewed at the Supreme Court of Pakistan. AHRC unwittingly exposes its bias and political agenda in this one line.
    SECOND CLAIM: The AHRC meddles in Pakistani politics by attacking the opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, the mover of the petition on the secret memo. AHRC says Sharif was “groomed as a politician during the period of the military dictator.” Of course, the founder of the incumbent ruling party that AHRC seeks to defend was also groomed under a military dictator. This is conveniently overlooked.
    THIRD CLAIM: AHRC demands that the two generals resign and be put on trial in the same way that Husain Haqqani was forced to resign and stand trial. The comparison is incorrect because the evidence exists on conspiring against the State in Haqqani’s case. The accusation that the army and ISI chiefs are conspiring against an elected government is a conspiracy theory at best.
    FOURTH CLAIM: AHRC fully endorses in its document the politically motivated US and Indian propaganda against ISI. It concludes its appeal with this sentence: “It is also alleged that the ISI is involved in bomb blasts and assassinations in neighboring countries and providing training to the Mujahideen.”

    A couple of foreign governments are targeting Pakistan’s military and intelligence as a policy. The army and ISI chiefs are the preferred targets. Now this objective has been joined by a small group of Pakistanis that shares linkages to the foreign agenda in Pakistan.

    http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/2011/12/23/how-a-few-pakistanis-conspire-against-pakistan-military-and-isi/

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 10:40 #
  2. ali-pk
    Member

    Gilan's , zardari's, sethi's, sirmed's , jehangir's , haqqani's ---- WOw , we have interesting times ahead.

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 11:24 #
  3. ali-pk@
    ha ha ha ha ha ha haahahahahahhhahah

    Our army generals and ISI only knows, how to conquer 18 millions peoples of Paksitan and suck their blood. They always failed in their professional duties.

    In past 64 years, they never obey any civil government. They even disobeyed Qaud-e-Azam. Pakistan is much behind than india and other neighboring country because of this army.

    They never let settle Pakistan political system in Pakistan. They are even responsible to kill leader like Bhutto. Till now, Paksitan never able to overcome lose of leader like Bhutto stature.

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 21:03 #
  4. arif786
    Member

    ali-pk ...

    the ISI had been sponsoring right wing propaganda for much of our history ...what do u say abt..broke the country and constitution several times...how many time has the military been tried...mention One instance..just one instance puhlease

    they should have the taste of their own medicine..had the social media not been so active we would have seen another takeover 3 years back ...with no repentence what so ever by our Gods...lets bow to them NOMORE

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 22:09 #
  5. zaln
    Member

    ایک پاکستانی کی ضرورت ،خوراک ،صاف پانی ،صحت ،گھر ،روزگار ،انصاف اور امن ہے

    فوج اور آئی ایس آئی پاکستان کی بنیادی ضرورت نہیں بلکہ یہ پاکستان کی سرحدوں کی حفاظت کے لیہ ہے وہ بھی اگر کبھی خطرہ ہو تو

    ہمارے پاس فلسفہ الٹ ہو گیا ہے

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 22:42 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    What's so strange when some Pakistanis can conspire against their own kith and kin.

    Posted 5 months ago on 23 Dec 2011 22:58 #
  7. Dusky
    Member

    Well, as a matter of fact, 650,000 Pakistan watchman's are conspiring against the rest of Pakistanis.

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 3:43 #
  8. Chyontiyon k per nikal aai hein Americans dollars say.

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 5:01 #
  9. ali-pk
    Member

    @arif786

    O Yar' you can consider me a right winger and if this doesn't scare you -- Alhamdulillah ' i am a Fundamentalist.

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 5:44 #
  10. ali-pk
    Member

    @msyedh

    Gee janab ; Aap kay Zardari ney toa doodh or shehad ki nehreyn jari kardi hain Pakistan meyn --

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 5:45 #
  11. ali-pk@
    yeh mera Zardari kab se ho gia. I swear, i hated him since he married Benazir. I believe it was most unmatched and fraud marriage in Political history. it is destroying legacy of PPP and Bhutto.
    But it does not mean if he is bad, evil then we allow our establishment to kick him out. We must have to follow constitution and wait for next election. I pray, that he never elected again in future for any post like this.

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 6:10 #
  12. arif786
    Member

    ...@ali-pk

    let him f****n die his natural death ...i care less...

    at leastnot let military intervene over and over again .... the golden decade of industrialization of Pakistan in the sixties culminated in the break up of Pakistan...the zia era of economic growth of 7 percent per annum led to intolerance bigotry fundamentalism which the society shall face for another 50 years...Musharraf era of prosperity led to suicide bombers, drones, and foreign intervention and anarchy in Baluchistan...and possible breakup of Pakistan yet again... the economic growth is not sustainable without legitimacy...

    i appreciate what MNS is saying now, to bottle the establishment genie once n for all...have reforms in ISI ... i think the govt. should announce elections after senate elections ... at least PPP does not feel that they were deprived of their imminent mandate in Senate because of conspiracies...and go back to the ppl with a democratic neutral caretaker setup and election commission as per constitution and win or lose elctions based on their 4 yrs in office ....

    in any case i would like the democratic forces to agree on a 4 yrs(maybe even 3..3 being a bit unrealistic though to carry out ones agenda n promises) term for members of parliament so that the masses can familiarize themselves with the power of ballot to bring needed changes...frequent election for lets says the next 20 years...so that democracy and democratic institutions can take root ...due to constant military intervention most of us dont realize the power we wield...democracy first

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 6:20 #
  13. arif786
    Member

    ..and the few voices that you think conspire against establishment, read Pakistan (pun intended)...is actually the conscience of this nation that has the courage to speak against all odds and threats to their lives...

    ... sethi's, sirmed's , jehangir's , haqqani's , .... hashmi's, rabbani's, ahsan's, mir's, gohar's, achakzai's, rehman's...the list is endless ...n i have utmost respect for them ...the remaining few good men and women ... the true conscience of Pakistan persecuted and hounded by our establishment

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 6:42 #
  14. zaln
    Member

    حمید گل کے چیلے طالبان نے اپنے ہی ادارے کے لوگوں کون ہلاک کر دیا ،خودکش دھماکہ پانچ ایف سی شہید http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2011/12/111224_bannu_fc_attack_zs.shtml

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 6:44 #
  15. ali-pk
    Member

    @msyedh & Arif786

    O bhaiyo! phir larai kis baat ki hai -- seems like we all belong to one party " bechari Awaam" -

    Seriously, i am sick and tired of this system which makes up from elite Polticians, general, judges etc.,

    Yeah one thing - I will support Army on national security matters ( i never supported allowing American terrorists supply routes)

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 6:56 #
  16. Dusky
    Member

    Yeah one thing - I will support Army on national security matters ( i never supported allowing American terrorists supply routes)

    Bhai, yeah "national security matters" hee to sab sa bara masla ha, they wash all their sins in disguise of "national security" and they failed to provide it over and over.

    Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 15:35 #

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