How about PML-N withdraw in favour of PTI?

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mariabashir
Member

AOA,
Everybody( who is worried for country's prosperity) is worried and concerned about vote splitting to be caused by PTI which might favour PPP.
My point is that after seeing the evidence of 30-10-11 jalsa It is evident that IK is equally popular Or even more popular in urban Punjab than PML-N.
Now onus is on PML-N to withdraw in favour of PTI and HELP him gain simple majority rather than splitting his and their self votes because (lets face it) : Zardari and co. for 2018 is the worst case scenario.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 3:51 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

@Maria
Its not possible in this Country...These are power politicians only having no Political Idealogy...So Never except anything positive from these all stupids..

IK is also one of them...person who dont know where he has to go...

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:00 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Mashal......"IK is also one of them....person who dont know where he has to go"

You got to take those ear plugs out when listening to IK because he not only knows where he is going but also tells everyone what needs to be done to get there.....

@Maria....I think you have put up a very relevant thread and it makes lot of sense to demand PML-N and other regional parties to withdraw in favor of PTI in Punjab and elsewhere as PTI seems to be on the rise...

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:16 #
mariabashir
Member

I confess that I have a soft corner for PML-N but to be true :Do I expect PML-N coming in power by just making counter-allegations and doing ZILCH for punjab( If they think punjab exists outside Lahore boundaries).No not fairly at least.
So why not give chance to someone who is claiming to be Wanna-be-Savior & see what he delivers.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:24 #
saladin89
Member

If PML N are worried that PPP will get another term for looting, then they should resign and support Imran Khan

Do Pakistan a favour and resign!

and also after they have resigned declare there assets.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:27 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

@ Sultan
Its nice to live in dream world...But u shud be realistic as well....Nothing will happen...

Just took IK Last Six Month statements...U will get the point that he dont know where he has to go..

Last night his "Historic" speech was written by Haroon Rasheed whose credibility is known to most of the members on this Forum.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:30 #
saladin89
Member

They have been tried and tested many times, they are like a old car that keeps on giving problems, however after the October 30th jalsa it seems that they engine has gone.

Like the car like the party scrap it!

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:31 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Maria....Not only you but thousands like you had soft corner for one of these parties.....Look what have they delivered? Zilch,as you have put it.

I was listening to many people being interviewed in the ground yesterday and was pleasantly surprised that most admitted being ex-supporters of PML-N, PPP, PML-Q etc but now they wanted to give a chance to this new wave called Tehreek-e-Insaf led by Imran Khan...

To be honest to admit, yesterdat I too have felt, after a long time, a ray of hope shining at the end of the dark tunnel that we have been currently passing through....

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:32 #
saladin89
Member

@mashal rahat

"written by haroon rasheed"

any evidence??????

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:33 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Mashal...I have been listening to Imran Khan for the past few years very attentively & critically and one thing I am sure you will also agree;he is consistent, and true believer of what he says.....same thing cannot be said about most other leaders in Pakistan....

To have dreams and pursue them is only human trait....without dreams your life is nothing but like a zombie moving in circles knowing nothing where to go or whats going around...

As for his speech being written by Haroon Rasheed, well, it shows your naivety in the matter....because all leaders have writers to get their thoughts on the paper....the words may be of a writer but the thoughts always reflect message of the leader....

I must admit I was most impressed by Imran for not indulging long in Zardari-Nawaz bashing but got down to real issues that are affecting people and Pakistan....

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:43 #
mariabashir
Member

A very useful analysis by ansar abbasi.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:46 #
Pakistan Lover
Member

Well, i agree with Sultan for the fact that majority of the supporters of IK are ex-supporters of PPP or PML(N). The fact is that both these political parties have softened ground for IK by continuing their immoral acts just like they are used to do it.

I think that IK should be given a chance this time. Lets c how he can deliver the promises he made yesterday in his speech. However, i doubt the delivery of all the promises within a short tenure of 5 years. For example, our Police department! Can we route out corruption from this department in 5 yrs time? Anyways, lets hope for the good and vote for IK. If he doesnt deliver his promises then we always reserve the right NOT to vote him in 2018 :)

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:54 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

@PL
If Elections there then u will vote.......:)

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:56 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

@ Sultan.

No Doubt about your sincerity...But its not the change for which PK is looking...

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 4:58 #
Mashal Rahat
Member

@Maria.

These all are so called analyst who are just spoiling common people minds....Z Mirza rightly called these so called analysts "Munafiqs"

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:00 #
mariabashir
Member

@Mashal Rahat
Four characteristics constitute anyone who possesses them a sheer hypocrite, and anyone who possesses one of them possesses a characteristic of hypocrisy till he abandons it: when he is trusted he betrays his trust, when he talks he lies, when he makes a covenant he acts treacherously and when he quarrels he abuses.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
Now dont you think PML-N has all these attributes?

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:08 #
Pakistan Lover
Member

@Maria... totally agree with u

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:17 #
Bawa
Member

ماریہ بی بی

ایک جلسہ دیکھکر ہی اقتدار کی خیالی کرسی پر براجمان ہو گئی ہیں. سیاست بہت ہی ظالم چیز ہے. اسٹبلشمنٹ کی چالیں بہت گہری ہوتی ہیں. انکی سمجھ تب آتی ہے جب سیاستداں منہ کے بل گرا ہوتا ہے. صبر اور حوصلے سے کام لیں

ستاروں سے آگے جہاں اور بھی ہیں - ابھی عشق کے امتحان اور بھی ہیں

پرواز تھوڑی نیچی ہی رکھیں کیونکہ جو جتنی زیادہ بلندی پر اڑتا ہے وہ اتنے ہی زور سے نیچے گرتا ہے

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:35 #
karim
Member

Although it was a very impressive show by PTI but it would be too early to predict the outcome of the next elections based on a single jalsa.

PTI is yet to prove its metal in the elections. Gathering 50k people at Iqbal Park is one thing and bringing these 50k to the polling stations all over the country is a totally different ball game.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:39 #
mariabashir
Member

@Bawa
First of all sorry I dont know how to write in urdu so please bear with me.
Bawa ji No one could foresee the surprisig performance of PML-N in 2008.
But despite Q league full "jhurlu" they mange to oust Q league.( what N delivered is another SAD story)
Yes but one thing does go in your point's favor:
Zardari has Beautifully played his cards & he is in WIN-WIN situation unless PML-N volunteers selflessly.
Otherwise same president same federal cabinet & only thing changed wil be IK in place of NS/SS screaming about corruption and inflation & people will reject him in next elections labelling as " TALKER NOT DOER" .End result ZARDARI FOREVER !!!

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 5:51 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@karim....what you have said is absolutely true....

I don't think PTI is claiming victory to the Prime Minister post as yet, it is the other parties that have difficulty in acknowledging that PTI had a successful outing....I heard one of PML-N stalwarts claiming there were not more than 20 thousand people.....now this tantamounts to lying through the teeth!!!!

To me the honorable line would have been like this "okay Imran Khan gathered good number of people today, lets see if he can get their votes on polling day as well"....but denying the shining sun itself shows the character of such person!!!!

thanks to media and its ever rolling cameras that people can now see live for themselves and don't have to depend on Public Relation liars of parties......

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:00 #
karim
Member

PPP will be wiped out of urban Punjab in the coming elections thanks to madari and his team. Only the feudals of rural Punjab will have some facing for PPP if they were able to win a handful of seat from Punjab.

Urban Punjab will be a battle ground between N League and PTI while rural Punjab will be a battle between N league and PPP and some remnants of Q league if they survived until the next elections.

So those having nightmares of Madari should calm down and let the things go as they are going at the moment.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:04 #
karim
Member

@SAK

I agree with you that those denying the emeregence of PTI are actually in self denials. Reason is simple, PTI has nothing to lose even if they did not win a single seat while they have everything at stake.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:07 #
Bawa
Member

بہت شکریہ ماریہ بی بی

کچھ حقیقتیں ہیں جنھیں ہم نظر انداز نہیں کر سکتے. پہلی حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عمران خان پی پی پی کے ووٹ بنک پر اثر انداز نہیں ہو سکتے اور یہ حقیقت آپ بھی مانتی ہیں. عمران خان کو اگر کوئی ووٹ ملنا ہے تو وہ انٹی پی پی پی ہی ملنا ہے. اسوقت ضرورت انٹی پی پی پی ووٹ کو متحد کرنے کی ہے نہ کہ تقسیم کرنے کی. انٹی پی پی پی ووٹ تقسیم ہونے کا فایدہ صرف اور صرف زرداری کو ہوگا اور وہ نہ صرف آیندہ پانچ سال کے لیے آسانی سے حکومت بنا لے گا بلکہ سینٹ میں بھی بہت مضبوط ہو جائے گا. صدارت کا عہدہ پہلے ہی اس کے پاس ہے اور اسکے دوبارہ صدر بننے کے بھی چانسز ہیں اگر فوج سارے نظام کا بوریہ بستر نہ گول کر دے

دوسری حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عمران خان کی تنظیم مسلم لیگ کے لیول کی بالکل نہیں ہے. جلسے جلوس کسی کی مقبولیت ناپنے کا ذریعہ نہیں ہوتے کیونکہ جلسے جلوسوں میں ہر کوئی تفریح کی نیت سے آ جاتا ہے دوسرا جلسے جلوس کی کامیابی میں بہت سے عوامل اثر انداز ہوتے ہیں

تیسری حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عمران خان کی پارٹی میں ابھی تک کوئی قد اور شخصیت نہیں ہے کہ ہم کہہ سکیں کہ پارٹی انتخابات جیتنے کی پوزیشن میں ہے. عمران خان کے ارد گرد جتنے لوگ نظر آتے ہیں انہیں عوام میں کوئی خاص پزیرائی حاصل نہیں ہے. یہ لوگ انتخابات میں شہری سطح پر شاید کچھ انٹی پی پی پی ووٹ تقسیم کر سکتے ہوں لیکن ایمانداری کی بات ہے کہ انتخابات جیتنے کی پوزیشن میں نہیں ہیں. اس بات کا کھلا ثبوت یہ ہے کہ اول تو عمران خان کو ضمنی انتخابات میں حصہ لینے کی جرات نہیں ہوئی لیکن جہاں اس نے امید وار کھڑے کیے وہ بری طرح ہارے ہیں

چوتھی حقیقت یہ ہے کہ اشتبلشمنٹ بخوبی جانتی ہے کہ کون کون کتنے پانی میں ہے. وہ کبھی بھی زرداری کو منہ زور گھورا نہیں بننے دے گی. اسکے لیے اسے انٹی پی پی پی ووٹ متحد کرنا ہوگا اور بات مسلم لیگ نوں، عمران خان اور دیگر انٹی پی پی پی سیاسی جماتوں کے اتحاد پر ختم ہوگی

آخری حقیقت جس پر عمران خان کا کوئی حامی یقین نہیں کرے گا وہ یہ ہے کہ یہ سارا کھیل نواز شریف کو اسٹبلشمنٹ کے قدموں میں جھکانے کے لیے کھیلا جا رہا ہے. میرے خیال میں عمران خان کا یہ جلسہ کافی حد تک نواز شریف کو جھکانے میں کامیاب ہو جائے گا. یہ عمران خان کی کامیابی نہیں بلکہ اسٹبلشمنٹ کی کامیابی ہے اور اس کامیابی میں جاننے والے جانتے ہیں کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ کا کتنا ہاتھ ہے

سیاست میں حصہ لینا ہر سیاسی پارٹی کا حق ہے لیکن لگتا ہے کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ یا فوج تمام تر بدنامیوں اور رسوائیوں کے باوجود پاکستان کے اقتدار پر اپنی گرفت مضبوط کرنے کے چکر میں ہے

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:30 #
Adonis
Member

Popularity of political parties is decided by votes, not by jalsas. Without getting into the debate of how many people were there, even if it is assumed that it was the largest jalsa in Lahore after Benazir Bhutto's 1986 jalsa, the real question is how it will translatae into votes. Lets not forget that after the historic 1986 jalsa, PPP lost badly in elections from Lahore.

The reason is very simple, such jalsas are shows of strength for political parties and they gather their workers from all over the country, not only from the site of the jalsa. Many local people also come to enjoy the atmosphere/music and have a good time even if they are not voters of that party. So a jalsa is not a true reflection of voting preferences in any particular place.

If jalsas are going to be the parameter of popularity, then PTI's popularity as compared to PML-N can only be gauged if PML-N holds a jalsa at Minar-i-Pakistan which is addressed by Nawaz Sharif instead of second tier leadership and PML-N calls on its workers from all over Pakistan to come.

But as I said earlier, even if PML-N manages to hold a twice bigger jalsa, still it would mean nothing in terms of who gets how many votes come election day. That is a different ball game.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:38 #
mariabashir
Member

Bawa ji please send me "urdu typing for dummies".
Im amazed at your "urdu naweesi".
Back to the topic I think you are getting too paranoid about establishment.
You may be right that IK is backed by establishment and he might also be funded by some foreign elements as well but this doesnot alter the fact that Frustrated Punjab is desperate for some change atleast face change & it is quite possible that their frustration might nullify establishment tactics.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:40 #
SufiSoul
Member

تیسری حقیقت یہ ہے کہ عمران خان کی پارٹی میں ابھی تک کوئی قد اور شخصیت نہیں ہے
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Qad Awar shakhsiyat are still waiting where to go.So at this stage it is still unclear abt such shakhsiyat.Will be at PMLN or PTI.
Comming year will set the exact political scenerio of many of the Parties..

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:40 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Adonis,

I have never been a fan of jalsas as they are just one of the barometers of one's popularity. Had jalsas been the only barometer, JI would have been in power since 1970.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:47 #
Adonis
Member

@ siddiqi73

Quite right.

And Qazi Hussain Ahmed would have become PM after his huge "Zalimo! Qazi A Raha Hay" jalsas in 1993.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:59 #
Bawa
Member

@ mariabashir

Here is the link.

http://www.google.com/transliterate/Urdu

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 6:59 #
Bawa
Member

@ mariabashir

آپکی بات سے اتفاق کرتا ہوں کہ نواز شریف کی کارکردگی کبھی بھی تسلی بخش نہیں رہی ہے لیکن ہمارے پاس آپشنز محدود ہیں

ہمیں اسے منتخب کرنا ہے جو زرداری کے مقابلے میں جیتنے کی صلاحیت رکھتا ہو

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:04 #
Bawa
Member

@ SufiSoul

قد آور شخصیات کا تحریک انصاف میں ٹھہرنا بہت مشکل ہے

عمران خان کی آمرانہ سوچ کسی کو تحریک انصاف میں زیادہ دیر برداشت نہیں کر پائے گی

معراج محمد خان کے ساتھ جو ہوا وہ سب کے سامنے ہے

یہی وجہ ہے کہ لوگ تحریک انصاف میں جاتے ڈرتے ہیں

اور پھر یہ بھی پتہ نہیں کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ کب ہاتھ اٹھا لے اور وہ نہ ادھر کے رہیں اور نہ ادھر کے

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:12 #
banjarbayabaan
Members

Ther ground realities have changed and day by day PTI will be gaining. PMLn using all punjab govt. sources couldn't gather more than 30K and on the other hand PTI has done a historic gathering as confirmed by all independent reprters journalists but Rana Sana and Pervez Rashid will not accept this reality.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:19 #
mariabashir
Member

Thanks BAWA
Your Geniosity simplified by yourself!
آپ کی ذہانت کا راز معلوم ہو گیا.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:22 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Exposed,

Hope you have stocked on ample burgers and pepsi son cause your leader's predicament has just got a bit tough. Now he has to pull these people into his polling booth on election day and there the supporters of PPP and PML (Q) would not vote for him.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:25 #
Bawa
Member

@ mariabashir

اگر ہم ذہین ہوتے تو دیار غیر میں کیوں دھکے کھا رہے ہوتے؟

ہم بھی پاکستان میں بیٹھے سوئس اکانوٹس ڈالروں اور پانڈز سے بھر رہے ہوتے

ویسے ذھانت تو آپکی نمایاں ہوئی ہے جو آپ نے اتنی جلدی یہ فن سیکھ لیا ہے - ویل ڈن

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:29 #
Bawa
Member

@ ExPosed

بھائی جی

ڈنڈی نہ ماریں - آزار ذرائع کے مطابق

مسلم لیگ نواز تمام تر سرکاری مشینری کے ساتھ - تیس ہزار

پی ٹی آئی اسٹبلشمنٹ کی تمام تر کوششوں کے باوجود - چالیس ہزار

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:33 #
mariabashir
Member

@BAWA
دولّرز اور پونڈس جمع کرنے کیلئے ذہانت کی نہیں بیغریتی اور
کمینے پن کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:38 #
banjarbayabaan
Members

@Bawa
keep doing this, you may get 2-3 people to endorse your sources otherwise NY Times to AFP has said more than 100 thousand, Pakistan independent sources 150-200K and PTI half million.

Leaving the above figures away everyone has agreed that this is the biggest gathering in Lahore since 1986

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:39 #
Bawa
Member

ماریہ بی بی

اب بے غیرتی اور کمینہ پن کہاں سے لیکر آئیں؟

پاکستان میں ہوتے تو زرداری سے ہی مانگ لیتے

:)

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:41 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Exposed,

All the more reason for your party to now test electoral politics and announce a candidate for the upcoming Bahawalpur by-election.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:41 #
mariabashir
Member

@ باوا
تو بھائی آپ سید مشرّف صاحب سے مانگ لیں.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:47 #
Bawa
Member

@ ExPosed

بھائی جی

مجھ پر غصہ نہ نکالیں - آپ خود پڑھ لیں

پاکستانی خبر رساں ایجنسیوں نے آزاد ذرائع کا حوالہ دے کر کہا کہ تعداد 40/ سے 50/ ہزار تھی

http://search.jang.com.pk/details.asp?nid=569912

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:49 #
Bawa
Member

ماریہ بی بی

میں پرویز مشرف سے بہت دور بیٹھا ہوں

:)

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:51 #
banjarbayabaan
Members

@Bawa

check the independent reoprt
http://dailypak.com/epaper/2011/October/31-10-11/allimages/fp-1.html

and govt. sources here

All the sources have also confirmed it was 5-6 time bigger than rent a rally of punjab govt. 2 days ago.

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:54 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Exposed,

Is the internet party going to contest the Bahawalpur by-election or not?

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:57 #
Bawa
Member

@ ExPosed

بھائی جی

ڈیلی پاک، آئی بی، آئی ایس آئی اور حکومتی رپورٹیں آکے نزدیک آزاد اور غیر جانبدار ذرائع ہو سکتے ہیں

میرے نزدیک روزنامہ جنگ زیادہ غیر جانبدار ہے

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:58 #
intelligentpakistani
Member

Cmon Guys be realistic. Lahore is a city of 800,000 people. If IK was able to bring 100,000 from all over Pakistan in Lahore, does not signify he won thic city. Even those who attended it all of them are not his supporters(eg PPP or PMLQ) or may not vote him. Because it was not actually an ANTI-PMLN Jalsa

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:59 #
Bawa
Member

اجازت دیجیے - الله نگہبان

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 7:59 #
intelligentpakistani
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I meant is was actually an Anti- PMLN Jalsa, not PTI voting power

Posted 6 months ago on 31 Oct 2011 8:00 #