Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
How do we Muslims 'identify' as well as 'remove' hypocr|tes from within our ranks ?
How do we 'deal' with hypocr|tes who are 'working' to benefit non-Muslims against the interests, well-being of Muslims inside our nation ?
hkbajwa
Member
You can identify them based on how much they agree with you and your mullah masters. That's easy enough. Anybody who agrees is 100% muslim and anybody who does not is a hypocrite.
Removing them is even easier. All that is required is a constitutional reform to excommunicate any muslim who does not tow the party line ( i know you will be borrowing from the christian priesthood in this matter, but let's be honest... there is very little difference between your mullahtocracy and the christian clergy anyhow)
Oooops.... i forget.. according to you i'm not muslim and thus not allowed to participate in this discussion no??
My apologies... i'll let you get on with it :)
NNL
member
Harris
How can you do something which wasnt done by your Nabi Sallaho Alayhi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam.
Are you aware that there were 3 times the number of munafiqeen within Madina vs the Sahaba Radhi Allah Unhu. Yet none of them were stopped from making the prayers in Masjid Al Nabi?
The hadith of funeral prayer of Abdullah ibn Ubai As Saluli ?
Munafiqeen my friend are here to stay since the time of Nuh till the time of Yaum Al Akhir. they always have been there and will remain in the same way that they were at time of Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam. Just look at them and see what responses they gave to Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam. You wont find them to be different.
Only way is to see what they say and what they do. Defination may alter, For me a hypocrite is a donkey with a lion cloak (anyone doing bad and still claiming to be a muslim)
NNL, Thank you. For once I wholly agree with what you had to say above. If our Prophet (PBUH) put up with them, so can we.
And excommuinicaton as HKB so rightly pointed out, albeit tongue-in-cheek, is not an option open to the Muslim community.
Life gave the most sweeping definition of all: Anyone engaged in evil cannot be a Muslim, period.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@SufiSoul: Did Muhammad (SAW) allow hypocr|tes to;
(1) 'represent' Muslims or Islam ?
(2) become 'Khalifa' of Muslims ?
(3) 'define' what is Islam ?
hkbajwa
Member
MG
I know that Islam has no process of excommunication , but somebody needs to tell the mullahs that. After all, the 1973 constitutional amendment that declared ahmedis non-muslims is an excommunication of an entire community.
Likewise every time the Taliban define others as non-muslim, kaafir and "wajib-ul-qatl" when they cooperate with foreign forces (or simply refuse to cooperate with the Taliban) are they not engaging in arbitrary excommunication?
Islam has no such process, but the mullahs have created one and stand by it with all their might. Excommunication is a process that is very much alive in pakistan today.
Yay for us.
HK
The Prophet (pbuh) never denied Abdullah bin Ubay permission to identify himself as a muslim even though the Prophet (pbuh) was fully aware of the fact that he was a hypocrite.
Not only that, the Prophet (pbuh) participated in his janazah, which is quite odd considering the fact that one apparently is NOT supposed to do so.
The Khalifa of muslims is chosen by the muslims. However, there is no manner in which human beings are entitled to decide who is a muslim and who is not. As long as a person states his belief in the Unity of Allah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh)one is eligible to be a part of the process of choosing a khalifa.
EVERYBODY who believes in the Unity of Allah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) is entitled to define what Islam is. Islam has no clergy that will define it nor does it have a "checking process" administered by humans to "verify" whether a person is "muslim enough".
Defining Islam is the inalienable right of EVERY believer. It it is ONLY ALLAH who can decide who is a believer and who is not. Not you or any of your bearded mullah gods.
It is only your mullah masters who wish to rob muslims of this God-Given right. It's very hard to run the business end of religion without holding the exclusive right to interpretation and that is why they get their little minions like you to go out and propagate THEIR twisted-to-the-point-of-being-exactly-like-the-christian-church style of Islam.
SufiSoul
Member
haris,
Sorry just now i read this thread and also your question for me.
Its never like that ALLAH SWT brings a hypocrate as leader/khalifa/scholar of muslims OR allow such one to define/Interpret Islam.NO its not like this.
From time to time such hypocrats are IDENTIFIED/ADDRESSED/THROWN OUT OF the boundary of Islam according to case to case situation.
If you look around Qadyanis,Shia etc are well identified and addressed by Islamic Leadership and are never allowed to interpret Islam according to their OWN SHITANIC AGENDA.
At the time of Muhammad SAWW these were identified but as a Hikmat were not Targetted but Sahaba RA were told to be AWARE n carefull about these Munafiqs.
They were identified completly at the time of BADR when some 300 refused to go to fight and get their way back home.One of the Hikma was that family/friends/brothers/sisters/parents latter converted to Islam completly and even some MUNAFIQS converted to ISLAm completly.Other Hikmats were known to ALLAH n his RASOOL SAWW.
NNL
member
I guess the Munafiqs again misunderstood me All i said that these Munafiqs although known to Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam and The Sahaba Radhi Allah Unhu were allowed to pray.
This doesnt mean that they were allowed to propagate Shirk. They didnt like Islam that was known. But their PROGATION OF THAT HATRED ISNT KNOWN. Which means any **** who opened his mouth against Islam was killed. cos there is no evidence of the one who rebeled and lived to tell the tale.
Fath Al Makkah Poets were killed and the rest were forgiven.
But in the Harb Al Ridda Abu Bakr Radhi Allah Unhu killed people who had refused to pay Zakat. they hadnt committed shirk or said that Rasool Allah isnt a NAbi. The guy named Muslimah or such wasnt the only person who was wiped clean there were a whole lot of others.
None of the likes of Shia or Qadyanis or Aga Khanis had the nerve to call themselves Muslims in that time cos that meant a death sentence.
Perphaps yall need to understand the Sharia Definition of a Munafiq. Munafiq is the one who doesnt like anyone of the Rulings or Ahkam of Allah Azza Wa Jal or has a immense problem with the Sunnah of Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam.
People who commit Shirk are called Mushrikeen not Munafiqs.
there is a huge difference.
NNL
member
See the Answers of the Munafiqeen at the time of Rasool Allah Sallaho Alahi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam and see their answers now nothing is different
you will know them in a heartbeat.
Not Possible
Blocked
NNL
so many points are explained to you, you begin to understand by your own intelligence but because of the company you keep now your back to your stale nonsense
hkbajwa
Member
Again i see several people arguing that the sunnah of acceptance and non-condemnation need not be applied in today's world.
ANyhow good luck with the "munafiqs".. let's see if pursuing the same idiotic policy of persecution and oppression of the mullahs of the past will yield any different results than those achieved in the 1000 years.
It has never been successful and it never will be because it fails to consider the inviolability of personal faith.
But like i said.. good luck!
Not Possible
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now NNL and sufi soul and BO are just down to lies as all points of theirs have been refuted
I'm glad to see myself mentioned here on this thread by our fazil Not Possible, even tho I didn't post here at all. But he let's his grudge pull me where I don't belong.
Not Possible
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thank you for calling me fazil
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