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I never really cared for Ahmadis

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  1. zia m
    Member

    A serious article by Fasi Zaka.

    have never really been vocal about rights for Ahmadis, even privately, but my compassion trigger is easily pulled if there are atrocities against Pakistani Hindus and Christians. Part of this can be ascribed to my belief in the prejudice that the Ahmadis are a relatively well-off community, making the Christians and Hindus of Pakistan uniquely guilty of a double crime, first for not being Muslims and second for being poor. These two communities seem especially vulnerable.

    I have changed my mind. And it’s not because of the attack in Lahore that killed so many Ahmadis. The whole country, Muslim and non-Muslim, is under attack by the Taliban.

    What really helped me see the inhuman treatment of the Ahmadis in Pakistan is the absence of condemnation for it. Nawaz Sharif in his condolence message said Ahmadis were our brothers; it’s been enough to get the Pakistani religious world on his case. While sympathy is not outlawed for Ahmadis, it may as well be.

    Those of us with a passport have declared that “I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be an impostor prophet and an infidel and also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori, Qadiani or Mirzai groups, to be non-Muslims.” Most of us do not believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a prophet, but do we have to rub it in? Imagine if the UK put in that sort of column for a prophet of another faith.

    We have declared not just that we don’t believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but added the connotation that he was an imposter. People who follow imposters must be crooks, right? Let’s stop the pretence that they are equal, or human.

    But no, we are a peaceful people, right? Of course we are. I read a very poignant anecdote in columnist Mosharraf Zaidi’s article recently; he described how an old friend would never say salaam to him in return. His friend is an Ahmadi, he can go to jail for that. I cringe when I see Pakistanis stumbling over one another to felicitate a white westerner who chooses to say salaam when greeting us in our country. Why not put him in jail too? He could be an atheist, whereas at least the Ahmadis believe in the oneness of God.

    But, you see it’s not about that. Ahmadis are a secretive people up to no good. They won’t even tell you they are Ahmadis. But who wouldn’t be secretive if they could go to jail for saying they are Muslim, or responding in kind to a salutation of salaam. Or for that matter having a Quran in their home, the same kind you and I have.

    Sunnis don’t believe in the imam of the Shias. What about Barelvis and Bohris? Its time their special treatment ended. If anything we have been too moderate. We need to cut diplomatic relations with Indonesia because they refuse to declare Ahmadis non-Muslim as it may open a Pandora’s Box of declaring other groups the same. Why is the amir of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Munawar Hassan, silent on this? He could address this diplomatic issue, after all he did want to cut off diplomatic relations with many countries over the Facebook fiasco.

    Pakistani Ahmadis aren’t allowed to go for Hajj, but Ahmadis from other countries are. Maybe we should cut off relations with Saudi Arabia too. Also, since we Muslims believe in equality, I would suggest all non-Muslim countries make it mandatory that we wear special collars to identify us as Muslim when we visit. Or is that going too far since we haven’t, obviously, in the case of the Ahmadis?

    The truth is the bulk of this country doesn’t like Ahmadis. They are Pakistan’s Palestinians. Their humane treatment and acceptance
    will decide whether we are a people who can move forward in the future, or if we will become a fragmented warlord state divided on sectarian lines.

    And yes, Ahmadis are worse off in Pakistan than Christians and Hindus. We want to forcibly convert Christians and Hindus. But Ahmadis shouldn’t exist. Period.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/21267/i-never-really-cared-for-ahmadis/

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 5:22 #
  2. @zia m
    what are your thoughts on this article please add them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 5:25 #
  3. Zia m,
    i have put your thread into Faith & religion section .
    hope it wont turn into a hatred debate ...
    thanks
    Beenai

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 5:58 #
  4. zia m
    Member

    lota,
    The only fair thing for world community to do is stop accepting Pakistani passports.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 6:13 #
  5. It is an unjust law and should be repealed by parliament. All citizens of the State are equal and there should be no discrimination on any basis. There should be equal citizenship for all in Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 8:55 #
  6. hkbajwa
    Member

    hahahahaha

    fasi's a great guy.

    Now before the militant nutjobs on this site fly off the handle and declare this article and any supporting opinions a zionist conspiracy, let me just say this:

    there is no talk of special treatment, there is no talk of imposing any opinion, there is no talk of other sects "accepting" the ahmedi faith.

    The only thing being proposed is the scandalous (yet shockingly islamic) principle of human equality.

    I just read Karen Armstrong's book on the Prophet (pbuh) called "A prophet for our times" and i recommend it to everybody. Rarely have i seen such an appreciative and respectful account of the Prophet (pbuh.

    To the supporters of the Blasphemous Law i ask this

    When the Prophet (pbuh) was aware of the munafiqeen in medina and was aware of the conspiracies agaisnt him, did he declare them non-muslims?

    When it was apparent that there were many who joined islam for political and economic reasons, did he declare them non-muslim?

    In fact did the Prophet (pbuh) ever excommunicate and individual or a community who declared themselves to be muslim from Islam?

    Of all the people in human history, he is the ONLY one who may have had that right. But he never did anything of the sort.

    I would think that the Sunnah is not just what the prophet DID do, but also what he DID NOT do.

    He did not take away the individual's right to call himself a muslim nor did he EVER take away ANYBODY's right to equal and unprejudiced treatment. How come our grand maulanas seem to completely disregard that fact?

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 16:11 #
  7. fayyaz214
    Member

    Zia, thanks for bringing this topic up. If there is not justice for one group, then there is NO justice for any group.

    Leaving question aside whether Ahmadis are Muslim or not, question is whether they are being treated justly in Pakistan. Imagine a child, his parents tell him that Quran is book from Allah (SWT) and that he should be performing Salah five times a day. When that child grows up, should he be allowed to say in public that he believes that Quran is a book from Allah (SWT) and that he is going to a Masjid to perform Salah. Should that child be able to recite in Public the book that he thinks is from God? I think he should and Pakistan's law prohibits it, if that child was born into an Ahmadi's family.

    Second big question is, WHY no Alim in Pakistan speaks against this injustice and what does it say about their real scholarship? Quran teaches us that enmity of a group should not lead us to exceed limits. It appears to me that Pakistani nation as a whole and its religious scholars in particular have not paid attention to this commandment of Allah (SWT)

    وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبِّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ

    And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. (2:190)

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 19:26 #

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