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Wednesday, January 27, 2010
By Our Correspondent
LAHORE
ACTIVISTS of the Islami Jamiat Talaba (IJT) on Tuesday allegedly thrashed some students belonging to the Insaf Students Federation (ISF) for launching a membership drive at the Punjab University’s Hailey College of Commerce.
The ISF activists, including Hafiz Farhat Abbas, Zubair Sabir, Ahmed and Muneeb, students of the Hailey College of Commerce, and Kamil Hameed from the PU Law College were beaten allegedly by Jamiat activists.
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yahya
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"IJT beat"
Nothing new there.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
This discussion is pointless. It is a never-ending pathetic whining excersize.
This thread's existence underscores the fact that Pakistan's justice system has still not been de-politicized, still not made autonomous/independent.
We as a people, as a nation, do NOT!! have the time to go into this BS!.
The constructive thing to do is for the state! to "THINK" about this situation;
(1) Do we need to have student unions ?
(2) Do student unions provide any constructive output ?
(3) Can we live with student unions if they are de-militarized ?
(4) Should we make laws to set boundaries for student unions ?
(5) Why is there no one providing justice to people who have become victims of student unions, regardless of who they are/were, what political affiliations they have ?
It is for the state to provide justice to people of Pakistan.
If any of the people part of any! student unions violate ANY! law of the land, they should! be taken through the legal proceedings in court of law, punished FAST! according! to law of the land.
Regardless of who does what, it seems to me the existing student unions do more harm than good. They should be abolished, but not without giving this some thought.
It is the people;
(a) of this nation
(b) who are responsible for running the state
who have to decide what is in the best interest of;
(i) this nation
(ii) the people of this nation
Comments based on sectarian hate have been removed.
drgulkhan
Member
IJT beats up everyone who does not agree with them
expakistani
Member
IJT used to beat APMSO guys back in 70s ... lesson to learn for IJT din eik jesey nhi rhatey ....
expakistani
Member
IJT used to beat APMSO guys back in 70s ... lesson to learn for IJT din eik jesey nhi rhatey ....
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@semirza
How were my comments spreading sectarianism? I just said that they can't do this to APMSO, so they are taking on little kids. What is funny is that? IJT which is a student wing of JI, and ISF a student wing of Imran khan are both allies. If anyone from MQM had done this to Imran, he would have gone nuts. Anyways, I'll try my best to be less sectarian as possible.
Appreciated and Thanks
Shock
Members
MQM should do the same to Imran if he ever comes to Karachi, and then we'll see how he reacts.
Anwer Kamal
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IJT started use of arms in students politics many decades before. Do you know it were all their men in MQM in 80s. Most of them were from Albadar and Alshams of former East Pakistan.
linkwheel
Member
last week some Mullah's wanted to beat a student but we told them we were not interested in a Fight but they insisted so we taught them a lesson although they were 9 guys while we were 30-50 :D i guess they deserved it!
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
The attribute you guys are all whining about is not limited to IJT. Its common among ALL Pakistanis'.
In the old days, I heard stories from both ends. People would gather up, go with their friends to beat others. They wouldn't ask, why?!?!! are we beating the guys on the other end. They would just do it. Let me repeat: This happened from both! sides, when it used to happen in the past. Those who were more powerful would win.
Its simple. Since Pakistani was created, those who had power gave a beating to whoever didn't agree with them or whoever they could give it to, just because they had the power to do it.
It is now, since this last decade, with the arrival of the current generation, that things have cooled off to an extent.
However, what I said in my above post should be enough to address this attitude or situation.
Law of the land should! be implemented. This lawlessness should be curbed once and for all through justice system.
The responsibility of making sure law is implemented, people are safe falls on those who are given responsibility to run this country.
If you people don't agree on law of the land to be implemented, then this discussion is moot. It is pointless. Since you'r agreeing with continuation of this situation endlessly, since you'r perpetuating crimes. ALL you people are doing is crying crocodile tears afterwards.
Thats the problem with all parties when their leaders are sitting together having lunch at the same time their workers are fighting each other for minor issues and MQM and PPP are best examples of that but as I know about IJT the way they are active in Karachi I think even any member of JI dont even have power to control them because they are highly out of control and the only reason for their existence is ranger's favor and without it they are nothing....
skunkk
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Just look for student group fights and it seems that IJT is in everyone of them. In Karachi they fight with APMSO and PSF and apparently they fight elsewhere with others. Government should start thinking about banning them, they have ruined the aura of educational institutes and are a constant source of terror in educational institutes.
trika007
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ISF and IJT should work together.Its the need of time
Wahid Doyum
Member
JI and IJT are terrorist organizations who had direct hand in the genocide of Bengalis and right now are involved in attempted genocide of Pukhtuns, so nothing new here.
toamin
member
Campus politics should be reformed and transformed from 'physical' strength to 'intellectual' strength.
change_is_close
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@salam
couldn't agree more! the majority of the sahabah (RA) were young people; they even had ppl like umar (RA) and hamza (RA) in Makkah, but they didn't go physical, even after receiving a lot from the opponents. i think that's because they were strong on the intellectual side, which perhaps these student federations lack.
@haris
"The attribute you guys are all whining about is not limited to IJT. Its common among ALL Pakistanis'."
it is sad to see something like this coming from a person like you... are you justifying the act of IJT? it is strange that a person like you is sounding like politicians in the tv shows; when one politician puts allegations on the other, the latter does not defend himself but puts allegations on the former. bro, what's wrong is wrong - even if 100% ppl are doing it. your comments are reminding me of ppp minister abdul qayyum, who said that since corruption had become our culture, it was their right to do corruption.
i agree that the govt. is responsible for not stopping them, but if the govt. would implement the law, the IJT guys would be in jail - is this what you want?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@change_is_close: I'm not justifying anyone or any act/deed. I'm stating fact.
Yes! I want IJT people to be in jail IF they have committed any crimes. They'd deserve! it. They;
(a) violated the law of the land
(b) engaged in spreading injustice within our ranks
It is detestable!
It is a fact that;
(1) IJT is not the only student union that spreads violence, injustice
(2) MSF, PSF, etc etc, members of these or other student unions do the same. If its not highlighted, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or they don't do it
As my first job, I used to teach short coarses for 3 years in Dyal Singh College Lahore. I saw it firsthand, what members of student unions do, how they live. I went to FC college for getting into class for Inter and I saw members of IJT there. I know what I'm talking about.
What I'm proposing is a 'reform', which will have a wider impact, it will take care of this problem, regardless of who is doing it, and do much much more for the people of this nation.
I'm not taking anyone's side. I'm being impartial.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@change_is_close: If people in student unions commit crimes and get away with those crimes, they'll succeed in proving to be living examples for other students, that;
(a) 'crime pays'
(b) people can get away with crime
(c) why study when one can earn easy money by not working hard, by not making the effort to achieve a constructive objective, by committing crimes ?
Getting that notion burnt into one's memory at student level of their life will prove to be disastrous for this nation and its people. Regardless of who committed the crime, it will help perpetuate crime, keep people in a discouraged state of mind all the time.
Who knows - student unions might even be 'gangs for hire' for 'erands' of local or foreign entities.
This is UN-ACCEPTABLE.
change_is_close
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@haris
thanks for clarifying - i agree that all student unions are into this stuff (except ISF, i THINK). we all want to see the change, which you're talking about, so i agree that responsibility lies with the govt.
with all that said, i humbly disagree with the notion that implementing the 'law of the land' will serve justice. implementation is JUST one part of serving justice. the first point is the definition of crime and its punishment. so if the law of our land is corrupt (which it is), implementing it won't serve justice, would it? for instance, it is the implementation of the law of the land that zardari cannot be called to the court in certain cases, but is it justice???
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
To answer that, we'll need to defer to those who bear responsibility for making the law of the land, and the people who are entrusting those 'people' to 'make' 'law' within our country/nation.
Who is;
=> responsible for 'making', as well as 'mending' the law of the land to make it 'just', 'just' according to Islam's standards of justice ?
=> entrusting responsibility of 'law making' to the 'people' who are 'making' 'laws' in our country/nation ?
change_is_close
Member
[إن الحكم إلا لله [يوسف:40
"Ruling/legislation is for Allah"
the laws are defined by Allah (SWT) and His Messsenger (SAW), the job of the people is only to extract them from the sources of shariah. there are numerous other evidences from Quran and Sunnah that point to the same. so again, we don't need to 'make the CORRECT laws' b/c they're already there, we just need to implement them.
the point that i wanted to drive home was that just 'implementing the law of the land' (however corrupt the law maybe) is NOT the solution to our problems. rather, the solution is to implement the correct law. ours is the anglo-saxon law, which was made by the British to strengthen their rule, so implementing it won't solve our problems. even in the west, where they're regularly updating their laws, are their laws, for instance those related to social system, solving their problems??? the 'law of the land' IS being implemented, but because it is corrupt, it is creating more problems for them. am i making some sense here?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Yes, I agree completely.
P.S. When I talk about 'constitution of Pakistan', I talk of the constitution that contains ONLY Islam's given laws, not British laws.
khangee007
Member
First of all students are like that always....doesn't matter belong to which group. They are emotional / not enough mature...but all are Muslim & pakistanis. So nobody terrorist or criminal. So please dont spread hate here
I think it's not a big issue, it can be solve by intervention from leaders of both parties (PTI & JI). there are PTI leaders who spend time in IJT. Also there were good relationship between them (don't know how it's going on now).
Another role can be played by university administration... if they remain impartial but unfortunately they directly blame one organization which makes the things complex (even they attend the TV show & openly blame them without proof). If they deal them like students I am sure that student will give them response. If they will deal every issue by registering FIRs, in student life nobody afraid of police station (it was like that when I was student).
Lastly government must arrange the student union election it will eliminate the involvement of external factors in student politics. If there will be student union and organizations will behave soberly as they know they will go to student for vote in next elections. It will force student unions or organizations to only concentrate on students issues / affairs.
Hope for best
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