khanamer
Member
This is IK in Awam key adalat, he was asked some straight questions to which IK has no answer, he kept referring to the Sunna of The Prophet (SAWW) for hiding in other words admitting that who ever enters PTI gets certificate of clean person regardless of his past, we was asked questions about the things he said in recent past and then actions totally against it... he was sure in hot waters and was never close to answer what was asked by him...
pakstar
Member
If Imran Khan will spread hatred among Pakistan nation, it will come back to him.
Imran Khan better focus on his manifesto and agedna for progression of Pakistan, instead of mudsliding, spreading hatred and targeting PMLN.
Why not Imran Khan comes up in jalsas with solutions of problems and tells public how he would face real problems of Pakistan rather than mud-sliding on others for point scoring.
scandinavian
Member
@pakstar
Please don't cry foul. Imran is targeting you=PML-N AND he is also targeting PPP. This is politics and you better learn to perform. If you don't perform then be prepared for criticism!
khanamer
Member
^^ That is the problem with IK and it is back-firing, he have accused everyone in Pakistan, not very long ago everyone was cheater, corrupt or find any bad name, and now when he is taking those people who are universities of corruption, Lotaism, and have been forced to resign to due to fake degree, he have some hard time to justify their inclusion...
Had he kept things to the reformation of the society and country and have spoken about the programs he had in his mind, he may have not been in such a mess, this is going to intensify in future, he wants everyone blindly follow him that is why he is asking them to trust him and he only says trust me when he have no answer to the question...
He still have time to turn things his way but looking at his attitude in this show (one can get him nervous/angry easily) there is little hope of improvement in him
khanamer
Member
@outspoken,
Do you bother to read the thread title all you blindly post videos in every thread? or do you take a moment to think about your posts? i would call your posts as spam in this thread, and would request to admin to take care of that...
Please for once don't do what your leader has done above, it was regarding the questions which everyone in Pakistan is asking about PTI and its leadership.. they are asking why NaeemurRehman was sacked after having successful Jalsa in Gujranwala? on what ground SMQ joined PTI and all those sort of questions, to me this is the right of the youth and common man to ask these questions and it is duty of IK to answer these, which he tried but couldn't least you could have done is to answer these question with rational approach but from your reply it seems like when it comes to anything but ILZAAMAT and accusing others, PTI along with its leadership totally looses it temper and go wild...
scandinavian
Member
@Khanamer
I never see you regret the sapping of your fellow noon Leaguers, then why you are in a haste to have other banned. Take a deep breath and learn to tolerate deviating views.
First of all this title is misleading. Yes, the crowd was suspiciously hostile, but still Imran did quite well to explain. It is also true that it is not one of those programs where he is at his best, but such is human nature that in between a man gets tired and doesn't perform up to usual standard.
stingingnettle
Member
Might Nawaz, Zardari, Altaf, and Fazul Rehman considering facing our youth in open questioning sessions?
Nawaz and Zardari are fundamentally cowards who can only feel safe surrounded by their security and their yes-men.
Imran at least has the guts to face our youth raw and honest. Perhaps now you can understand why he is so popular with the youth. Pakistan can only be changed by its young people because the older generations are slaves to archaic ways of thinking.
I have faith in our youth to do what their fathers and grandfathers could not achieve in 60 years; true and irreversible change in Pakistan. Dignity and justice for all.
PTISalman.Ali
Member
If this is a display of Imran Khan being taken to the cleaners, then I can say with utter confidence that Nawaz Sharif, AAZardari and Altaf Hussein would become permanently bleached by the youth HAD they appeared in such an environment.
stingingnettle
Member
Spot on PTISalman.Ali! It's not rocket science if someone tries to understand it honestly.
khanamer
Member
@ Scandi
If others are spamming then does this give the right to PTI to spam if yes, then tomorrow with the corrupt to core elements PTI is taking will commit corruption then you will defending them saying because others do corruption that is why PTI is doing it.. where is the difference where is the change, you leader like to bring in the Example of Nabi Pak (SAAW) in every other answer now tell me how does his party member are even close to the theory he is trying to put forward which BTW is getting exposed every day...
I know you will comeup with another non-sense, i have never seen you in decent discussion, you may say that NOOONERS are the reason perhaps, but why do you need to bring your self down to that level is beyond me...
khanamer
Member
When NS and Zardari comes this kind of show, we will talk about it, right now it is IK, and i would say, none of the PTI supporters have tried to get to the questions, i believe many of them don't even reside in Pakistan yet they claim they know everything on the ground... the questions asked here are being asked by the voters (Now the PTIans can say only NOONERs ask these kind of questions and PTIans do not) who are going to vote...
Tell to which question IK answered properly..may be is not prepared or may be he need a new show hosted by Haroon ur |Rasheed or Luqman or Hasan Nisar...otherwise these questions are going to follow PTI and its leadership like the ghost of May 12, target killing and Bhatao Khori follow MQM...
mariabashir
Member
Oh God! You people are fighting as if your life depends on it.
Watch it; same program same anchor, same place and same audience( youth).
rahilllll
Member
haroon76
Member
yesterday Shahbaz Shareef was live on ustream/ his official fan page and was answering youth/facebookers instantly. mostly students were satisfied and they were asking for laptops, scholarships, more seats for BDA & Medical students...beah beach main PTI guys were like...Imran Khan Zindabad, mian gee jaan diyo sadi waree ann dio, abusing and lashing PMLN...i am sure Shahbaz Shareef can face and handle youth of Pakistan, he knows what their real problem is. i think he is doing a lot for students, and poor people of Punjab.
haroon76
Member
you know why Rana Sana Ullah is important for Punjab....khudkash hamalay isee kee wajha say rukay hain Punjab main :)
saimarafiq91
Member
and what about the recent allegation made by hanif abbasi
I expected more serious replies from Imran Khan. He has even led me ( a pml n worker ) down :(
earlier rana sana ullah was grilled by students and he retaliated and spanked them back quite wonderfully.
Fall of Imran Khan has started before rise …. the reason is that he has changed so-called stance . Now he said that corruption and corrupt politician can be purified by joining PTI . If someone wants to purify his sins, join PTI within second that person would be purified. There is no need of ” Zam Zam Water” no need of Hajj . Just join PTI and get purified it is magical party … where corrupt leaders would be purified … Alas ………..!
santri
Member
خان صاحب کو کوئی یہ سمجھا سکتا ہے کہ جب محمّد رسول الله کا نام لیا جاۓ تو صلی الله علیہ و آلہ وسلم کہنا چائیے یا پھر صلی الله علیہ و سلم کہ لیں یا پھر علیہ سلام بھی کہ سکتے ہیں. سلا والے وسلم کوئی چیز نہیں ہوتی.
scandinavian
Member
This is exactly the attitude which has led me to call PML-N and it's followers as DINOSAURS. You refuse to change and are still in the dirty politics of the 80's an 90's. You think that you can survive by uttering LIES and being DECEPTIVE! This is NOT going to work for you. The dinosaurs attitude will be DEAD and BURIED by the next elections. PML-N has ONLY one choice and that is become a clean party. By clean I don't expect each and every member to be an angel. There will ALWAYS be hypocrites among ALL parties including PTI, but what is a NECCESITY is that NO crook is allowed to run the party and NOBODY should be allowed to run the party as family jageer!
PML-N top leadership are crooks because they themselves are heavily indulged in all kind of malpractice like:
- TAX evasion
- Money laundering. Send the money out of the country by and then have it sent back TAX FREE.
- Family Jageer: NS is sitting heavily on HIS seat high above each and every other PML-Nooner, He is solidly flanked by Habib Jalib Junior (SS), Hamza is next in line and Maryam has also joined and declared NS as being her inspiration in politics. Kulsoom will work as a back up?
Come on: get out of the dinosaur age. There is NO doubt that Imran is NO angel, but compared to these fellas he is close to an angel ;)
Btw: Let NS come out and face the public. It will only show how courageous he is. The public has a right to interact and ask questions to their leaders - also the tough questions.
salaudin
Member
I think if you do not let a person speak, ask repeatedly the same question, ask dictated questions (the lady in pink dress)...you will always be taken to cleaners if only that makes the audience happy.
IK answered questions well and he could have done better had he been given proper chance to answer.
Adonis
Member
Dirty politics of 80s and 90s?
Who has restarted dirty politics of 80s and 90s? None other than Ilzam Khan.
After charter of democarcy, PPP and PML-N were differing with each other but with decency. Political differences were not allowed to turn into abuses and personal name calling. Finally, these parties had started behaving towards each other like mature political parties do in any democaracy.
But instead of appreciating this attitude, this dimwit Ilzam Khan came up with "friendly" opposition crap. He started using abusive language like 'zardari kutta' and '**** brothers' and the appreciative laughter of the sheep herd audience convinced him that this name calling was a great achievement.
Sadly, this idiot has brought us back to the politics of 80s and 90s. Now his followers are crying when he is answered in the language that he uses.
siddiqi73
Member
^ Leave it bro...the guy's 15 minutes of fame would be ending soon.
scandinavian
Member
@adonis
BS. It you nooners who consistently make personal attacks and have NO answer to genuine fraud cases raised by PTI. F.ex. How the Sharif family ended up having 1.2 billion property in UK? Where did the money come from? Did they pay tax on the money transferred to UK?
Btw: re. the name calling...you people are maybe the front runners including yourself!
Sulaiman Dar
Member
Scandi,
Why did IK lie to the Punjab Government in 1987 when he declared in an affidavit that he does not had any plot so that he may be granted a plot?
scandinavian
Member
@SD
"Why did IK lie to the Punjab Government in 1987 when he declared in an affidavit that he does not had any plot so that he may be granted a plot?"
Was it illegal in this application. The house was owned by his father. I recommend you go to the courts and ask for justice!
sandman
Member
"Finally, these parties had started behaving towards each other like mature political parties do in any democaracy.
"
So who was talking about hanging zardari upside down? ...Yeah, real mature :)
Can Zardari,Nawaz Sharif,Asfandyar wali,Altaf Hussain or Mulana Fazulur Rahman face such live audience and reply to their hard hitting questions?
msohail83
Member
How do you listen to a discussion with constant music running in the background? Annoying! This producer should be immediately fired.
insafi111
Blocked
My respect for IK has increased manifolds.
Simply because if I were in the program, I could not have born the moronic anchor who was continously interrupting IK and engaging in his own little debates with IK when he was supposed to shut up and let the audience and Imran speak.
He supposedly put Imran Khan "in front of the public" not in front of him. So why was he showing efficiency and interrupting and engaging IK?
The format was so frustrating that I cannot explain it in civilized words.
Three points sticked like thorns in the program:
1) Anchor's lack of professionalism
2) Repeated questions about non-issues like some xyz joining the party who was in a certain government/party who did a certain misdeed.
3) One paid PMLN jerk who kept on arguing with IK without the anchor moderating him.
Nooners may be pathetic enough to gather a very small temprorary relief from the supposedly taking of IK "to cleaners", but believe me your relief would be short lived and another bomb like that of 30th Oct is on its way.
insafi111
Blocked
Now to answer the question:
Millions are joining PTI, students, professionals, tange wala, rehri wala, etc, as well as former politicians.
There is absolutely no way a political party boycotts a certain class of people from entering in its ranks - in this case, the political class.
The enemies of PTI want that the party remains isolated and that big guns from their party don't leave for PTI. It is as simple as that.
The same SMQ who PMLN was dying to get, is now a problem to these hypocrites now that he has joined PTI and rejected PMLN.
Even they don't call SMQ corrupt - so what's the issue anyway?
On different levels, as I said, past politicians are joining the party which can include both people who genuinely want to be part of the change, just like the common man, and those who are opportunists.
Now it is the test of IK to run the party the way he has been runing it for years - i.e., sticking to principles and manifesto. Taking in past politicains is not per se going against the manifesto at all, but keeping the party on its ideological track is where lies IK's test.
So why jump to conclusions?
The only sticking point shoudl be financial corruption (and that only when it comes to party portfolios and party tickets), as boarding the judgement criteria will mean hardly anyone in Pakistan would qualify for politics. Finaicial corruption or any kind of criminal track record, should be the basis of disqualification from any important post, not past political affiliation.
However, the party is open to all, including the milkman who has been thus far adding water to his milk and doing corruption according to religion and laws, the policeman who has been taking bribery, etc. If they all want to start anew for a better Pakistan, they are part of the struggle.
When religion doesn't put filters, what is a political party? IK's reference to Prophet Muhammad is justified.
insafi111
Blocked
@N-league supporters:
The youth are concerned that a great party might not go in the way of PMLN and PPP owing to inclusions of politicians who belonged to the above two parties in the past.
Think then - what is your stuatus in front of this same youth? You are beneath their contempt!
They hate you, disrespect you, abhor you, dislike you, to such an extent that if any person who has ever been afiliated to your party before comes to PTI, they start asking questions to IMran Khan that why have you taken a "corrupt".
Do you get the subtle conclusion in the above? It is that your party is a factory of corruption and crime. The youth has nothing put hatred for N-league and PPP, that's why they want PTI to not take a single man from these old parties.
So in fact, these concerns of the youth reflect so bad on you that it is insane how you can take delight on this matter.
Think about it and you would be humbled.
I agree that the anchor proved to be a real retard. It was patently obvious that all he wanted to do in the programme was to humiliate Imran Khan. The audience member who continuously and stupidly went on about the long march was a particular case in point, in terms of handling by the mentally deficient Kamran.
However, it'll be sad and stupid if PTI supporters were to hide behind this. A lot of the questions that were raised were important and valid, and it seems quite obvious that PTI's stance has changed towards accepting somewhat tainted candidates and this will obviously lead to disappointment.
Before the Lahore jalsa, IK had promised everyone that it's ideas that win elections, and that unknown people would win elections if the public believed in PTI's policies. Now, the stance is that the candidates need to be known and already popular, and their corrupt former selves will morph into virtuous being. This is being disingenuous to say the least.
Adonis, I guess keeping judges locked, allowing Musharraf and Dogar to leave 'honourably' was acting in accordance with the accord, right?
insafi111
Blocked
@****.revolution,
Carefuly listen to IK even in the above mismanaged program. Somewhere he reiterated the policy that most of the the candidates will be educated new faces, mostly in city constituencies.
However, politics in countryside and backward areas of the country has to rely on big names and even Quaid-e-Azam allied with many Nawabs and waderas to win elections in the countryside.
I think the issues should be raised when candidates are announched.
Adonis, if IK called Zardari kutta, that is obviously below the belt. Calling the Sharifs **** brothers is linked to policy, not personality. I can't see how anyone can construe that to be a personal attack.
insafi111
Blocked
And the major entries are not corrupts in any way - like Masood Sharif Khatak, SMQ, Mian Azhar (not that I think he would be candidate), etc.
@insafi111, my point is that before the Lahore jalsa, he had never mentioned anything like this. Were there no 'backward' places in Pakistan then?
The people that are now being accepted are coming from medium to big cities, so aren't really talking about daihati politics.
All educated candidates to most is the change. The board to check candidates is a sham. They morally corrupt people will probably be accepted. They aren't joining just to warming seats.
Yes, Mian Azhar just supported Musharraf all the way, and SMQ flip-flopped between 3 parties and likes ordinary poor people to worship him. Apart from that, no problem...
I personally know of a case where a friend's mill's electricity was cut by the government, to force losses because they weren't agreeing to sell it to the Sharifs for cheap. If anyone thinks that these people haven't engaged in major corruption, they clearly need a check-up. No-one is arguing that they had money before coming into politics. The point is that they made much more through politics.
insafi111
Blocked
@****-revolution,
Get focused. Criminal track record and financial corruption. How do you know a new face has never committed any kind of moral sin?
I think the point IK was basically making all along is that PTI is near to reaching such a stage that people will have no option but to vote for him - PTI "Tsunami". He was saying that tranditional power hubs of parties will be crushed.
He never said that no old politican can ever join the party. He had invited Marvi Memom and Javed Hashmi in Peshawar Dharna - remember.
Secondly, all the new entrances are NOT candidate necessarily. Why do you wnat to force your thinking? Let's wait for the candidate annoucement. Ik has said most candidates will be new faces. All can't be, period.
To me, change can be brought even if there is a portion of candidates who are traditional. Nothing says that it can't. It is the leader, and the core team of PTI, which will direct the party.
Political blunders and sins should be forgiven and forgotten if a person is changing his direction for the better. Even IK supported Musharraf at one time - the whole nation did.
insafi111
Blocked
Ordinary people worship SMQ due to his lineage. Don't be rigid and hope people would leave their long held culture in a matter of days.
Don't expect PTI to behave like western colonist, who imposed their "civilization" on the natives. Let the social change evolve.
Change in governmence and system - should be fast and decisive.
Social change - gradual and an evolving process, takes at least a generation where you will have SMQ mureeds starting ot think for themselves.
siddiqi73
Member
Man, this dude named Imran Khan is a real fruitcake! Well I have got news for him, Imran Khan ain't the paighambar (tauba na-ozo-billah) and people like Warraich, Bhinder and SMQ ain't Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed. The guy is a phony and establishment tout personified. After listening to his bogus dissertation, most of the young folks sitting there ought to have inflicted some serious chitrol on this guy.
insafi111
Blocked
@siddiqi73,
I "urge" you not to display stupidity of the highest order. If Imran Khan is a fruitcake - apology in advance! - you are a the product that the fruitcake turns into after one has eaten it. JUST look at it:
Imran Khan, the winner of the World Cup, the creator of SKMCH, the head of one of the largest charity organizations in Pakistan, the leader of the most popular political party in Pakistan...compared to a insignificant old dweller of Karachi?
If you were young, your mother would have twisted your ear and made you see the lights of the day. But since you are not young but an aged person, you ought to have something called a brain. I have noticed you behave like a buffoon on forum, and I "urge" you to correct your ways and behave in a way fitting to your age group.
Now who deserve some serious chitrol, my friend?
insafi111
Blocked
And Mr. Siddiqi, about being establishment tout - have you heared someone named Nawas Sharif? He is more than that - he is the illegitimate product of the establishment. And what do they call "illegitimate product" in Urdu? Enough said.
Please, Mr. Siddiqi, have mercy on us and stop the buffoonery !
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