Imran Khan the only politician outside US influence: Says wiki-leaks

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Imran Khan the only politician outside US influence: Says wiki-leaks

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insaftak
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The notable exception to that US influence, however, is the former cricketer Imran Khan, who delivered a long lecture to visiting US politicians about the iniquities of US policy.

Welcoming the group at his grand home outside Islamabad, Khan hosted an "hour-long, largely one-sided, and somewhat uncomfortable conversation".

To defeat the Taliban the US had to understand the "tribal character" of the militants, he said, and described the Pakistani drive against the Taliban in 2009 as "stage-managed" for US consumption.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/pakistan-president-zardari-wikileaks-cables

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/247596

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Dec 2010 21:02 #
azhar123
Member

yes we all know that even before that wikileak..probably the only reason why he couldnt get into power uptill now..Imran isnt anti-american but he disagrees with their policies and he keeps Pakistani interests as the foremost priority.We should thank Almighty that at least one Politician has the courage to take a stand infrnt of Americans..

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Dec 2010 22:40 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

So he is new puppet of US now.
This leak has been set to make us fool.

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Dec 2010 23:05 #
syedkashifnawaz
Member

Wikileaks is nothing but a New Propaganda Technique of Zionists, and yet Imran Khan is a proved Puppet of Jews, so the relation is very clear, how come Jews could expose their own Child Imran Khan!

They are trying hard since long for Imran that he would be able to get sympathy of Pakistanis, but till date he is failed.

This clearly is an attempt to get some favour for Imran by declaring him out of U.S. influence! Whereas Imran is influenced fully by Jews!

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 4:11 #
spruce
Member

@A.K & S.K.N

I agree in one point with you because until now whosoever oppose the American policy he is no more live in this worldly life, so how Imran khan is live who is talking against America .take an example of Bhutto how he oppose Kissinger then what happened with him, what happened with king faisal of saudia they were victim of America who oppose them on one point.

so it looks like that he is getting promoted by sympathetic way as I examined in Wikileaks that America is looking new leadership, ally in Pakistan, so who could be ally for USA either Imran or asfand yar wali. To get access towards Taliban in their region .

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 6:22 #
awaisis
Member

@ Anwer Kamal & Syed Kashif,
You guys are fantastic, ur stories may not work anymore, get out of ur obsession atleast for the sake of Pakistan.
.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 8:18 #
drgulkhan
Member

@ anwar kamal:

you deserve sheikh rasheed type madaris as ur leader

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 8:47 #
drgulkhan
Member

@ syed kashif nawaz

maybe yopu are product of yahoodi loby...
maligning IK cuz he does not go with them.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 8:50 #
ajhons
Member

@drgulkhan
Well, I can't see Altaf Hussain also in these report.Brother you are trying to make these leaks as a litmus for illegibilty and scale of honesty.Didn't You.

I think IK don't need such approvals based on these kind of leaked informations(if its an information)

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 9:28 #
ajhons
Member

Another point comes to my stupid mind is that the non inclusion is also a disqualification for pakistani political scenario.If You are not on the recepients list of USA then you are no one in ruling race.Thats the order of the day

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 10:36 #
wantinsaf
Member

We do have jokers on this forum too like our politics.Sheikh rashids of pkpolitics are commenting here.
Is there any difference between American agent and jews agent?What does a jew think about war on terror?
What did a jew think when Pakistan won cricket world cup?

Let the Sheikh Rashids of pkpolitics write down the stuff as this is how they can satisfy themselves internally.

Imran is the real Pakistani and real Muslim who has won our hearts and minds again and again.He has always stood for Islam and Pakistan unlike the traitors who after looting Pakistan have settled down in UK and other cities.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 13:45 #
shirazi
Member

@Fan Club

I am not sure how are you giving Imran Khan clean slips based on these leaks. Basically all he said in that hour to Americans what he says on TV couple of hours everyday. He does not want Pakistan army or American forces and drones to go after those militants. He spends two hours everyday to project human shield that those militants are hiding behind.

There are two parties in this conflict beside poor Afghans and Pakistanis. The rich Americans and Arabs. He rightly points out Americans as part of problem but what about the Arabs? How often he says to them get the hell out of here? What is his plan to push Arabs out of FATA that will automatically push Americans out of the region?

I applaud Imran for not showing dual face like others, at least in first few hundred leaks. But I can't stand with him or support him for blaming one side, right fully though, and not the other. Like Hamid Gul he has picked his side though he is not as active as him.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 13:51 #
aftab arif
Member

@ shirazi

So because the militants use the innocent people as human shields we in our so called sane minds should allow this to happen and drone them to death, sounds like a real good deal for the one's held hostage.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 14:00 #
wantinsaf
Member

@shirazi

First you seem to be a confused person.you wanna know how?You applaud Imran for telling Americans they are wrong and you consider Imran wrong for telling the American they are wrong(as you wrote down he is proving shield to terrorists and American have got every right to kill them with drones).

We ptians had better discuss the issue with someone who is in mind,not out of conscious like you.Where the hell Arab thing has come from?

You want Pakistan to fight against Talibans despite the fact both evils like Arabs and Americans want Pakistan to fight against Talibans.Why fight a war for Arabs and Americans?That's what Imran points out again and again but you seem to be drunk to get to know that.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 14:13 #
barackosama
Member

@insaftak

You misled people here.

"Imran Khan the only politician outside US influence: Says wiki-leaks"

correction

Says NOT Wikileaks but Declan Walsh of the Guardian in your own link to the article.

The Wikileaks only discloses a cable on meeting of Imran Khan with congressional delegation.

There is no information in the cable of Imran being US influenced or influence free.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 14:41 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

In the race of Politics
Sheikh Rasheed won three times the seat of National Assembly.
Imran khan got a seat once only by grace of Mush.
Now he is looking again to the Establishment.
Hope he will get a seat once more but will remain alone.
Than we will be able to say
Imran Khan Balay Balayعمران خان بلے بلے
Chal pia ay kalay kalayچل پیا اے کلے کلے

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 14:51 #
shirazi
Member

@wantinsaf

I didn't say I applaud and condemn Imran for telling Americans they need to step back. All I said I applaud him for not showing dual face, say one thing to Americans and other to masses like others. He like Hamid Gul is consistent. They blame America for everything and give a free pass to Arabs, the other party in the conflict and that's where I have problems.

What do you mean where the hell Arabs come from in the picture. Who do you think drones are targeting in Tribal area or Yemen. What is alqaeda? Isn't that Arab organization that is launching war against the west and it's allies from FATA? Imran or Hamid Gul or Hamid Mir whoever condemns drones needs to tell Arab militants as well to leave our borders. It's their presence that's attracting drones and killing our innocent civilians.

Of course I want Pakistan to fight Taliban. They attack our troops, bomb our mosques, schools and markets as an ally of alqaeda. What should we do, surrender?

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 15:29 #
truths
Member

can trusted person

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 15:31 #
shirazi
Member

@aftab

No we should not allow that to happen. But realistically speaking drones can not be stopped unless we have militants planting attacks on west within our borders. To stop drones (and God forbid American boots on ground) we need to kick Arab militants out of our border. I don't see how can you achieve one goal (stop drones) w/o the other (throw militants out).

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 15:40 #
aayelleye
Member

i think this is the only forum where some ppl call IK as a product of jew lobby if it is really true then why opponents doesn't raise this issue or why it has not been discussed on any media??? Do the members of pkpolitics are more informed then our media but i think they are just extremely biased for IK bcz they might be the supporters of criminals i mean ppp,mqm,pml etc.if he has connection with jews then why he had to struggle for 14 years in politics and why he is not succesful like others yet what kind of benifits he is getting for bieng a product of jew lobby?

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 18:45 #
truths
Member

why wikileaks mostly leaks about pakistan?

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 18:55 #
barackosama
Member

@above

mostly Pakistan???

As many as 400,000 intelligence reports on Iraq war.

Incidentally, the whistle blower Private First Class Bradley Manning was stationed in Iraq as an intelligence analyst.

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 19:41 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

Leaks are very set leaks
Showing attitude of US
They wanted rifts between Muslim countries.
They wanted rift in Pakistan.
Ab un ko 'Charsi' type tout chahian

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Dec 2010 20:58 #
wantinsaf
Member

@shirazi

Why were there no suicide bombing and war in pakistan before 2004?

This all started after 9/11 when American Govt thought of capturing Afghansitan and disintegrating Afghanistan.If USA gets out of Afganistan and Pakistan,then we would come to know the truth.If the war and suicide bombing continues despite USA departure,then Talibans would stand exposed and we can deal with few thousands of them.But When our enemy,USA, despite playing double games starts ordering us for fighting war in return of few dollers then we do have problems with than.

There is no or little Alqaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Alqaeda has presence in Yemen,Iraq and Sudan.FATA and Afganistan have the presence of Talibans,get your facts right.

Fighting Talibans or any enemy would become a lot more easier with US departure as it would clarify situation.Talibans can not destroy pakistan but US surely can by using its lobby in pakistan.Are you too part of that lobby?

At the same time,I find it a bit starnge as WikiLeaks only has exposed Pakistan's politicians in terms of their relationship with USA and the topic too is about that but you came up with nonsense telling us that Imran doesn't talk about Arabs.For educationg you,let me point out Imran has always contended Alqaeda is a terrorist organization and Talibans are fundamentalists.

Posted 1 year ago on 03 Dec 2010 7:32 #
saqib55
Member

Mullahs eating their own in game of one upmanship of who is bigger jew agent. This is what it always comes down to. The jihadis love eating their own.

Love it!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 6:06 #
haider3
member

2m people lost lives due to US policies: Imran
4.12.10

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has said that due to irrational and hostile policies of the US, more than 2 million innocent people have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan while drone attacks in Pakistan’s tribal belt in name of terrorism were counterproductive in which thousands of civilians had so far been killed.
Speaking to party leaders over the phone from London on Friday, he said that Pakistan needed a dynamic leader who could stand against imperialism and give preference to national interest over personal gains.

“This is the time to lead the nation from the front,” Imran said, adding that only a leader with vision could make Pakistan respectable among other nations.

Criticising the rulers, Imran said that they had sold the nation to foreign forces for their vested interests. He urged the masses to prepare themselves for a political change in the next elections.

http://paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?234116

(No comments on my part. You all seem to know Imran better than I do.)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 9:06 #
shimatoree
Member

MG-

quote- " He urged the masses to prepare themselves for a political change in the next elections. "

What masses and where ?

Perhaps he means the yellow goats that are masquerading as people !

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 16:49 #
haider3
member

Shimatoree, Loved that last line of yours. Yup, maybe yellow goats. What I don't like is people phoning us from London to tell us how to live. Reminds me too much of Altaf Bhai. Still, I do have a soft spot for Imran K and sometimes believe he may be the right man to lead us to better times.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 17:51 #
shimatoree
Member

Mg-

The time is past overdue that the PEOPLE of Pakistan rise like a tseunami.

Will they ?

And if they do rise- will their eruption be like the proverbial foam of urine or will it be a more resilient eruption ?
And if it is resilient- then will the Mullah establsihment act like Ayatollah Kashani did in Mossadegh's Iran and help torpedo the revolution in the pseudo-name of Islamic Sharia which they use whenever they are paid well !

And will the West- like in Iran be able to quash the eruption by strategic payments of dollars either directly or through the Arab Sheikhs ?

The reason why Mossadegh was toppled- was because he did not foresee all of that and placed too much faith in goodwill of the Yellow Goats for their country and thus did not organize properly ahead of time. What he did not expect was that the Mullahs would betray him which they did.

Imran is good man and his intentions are good but does he have the organization to be successful. I do not know.

What has happened to Roberspierre, Mossadegh and Trotsky is a lesson. But I do not know how thorough is Imran and his party.

And of course now that we have proof- or rather wikileaks has provided the proof that Gen. Kyani is our very own Gen. Zahedi- ready and able to torpedo any revolution in the bud-

You can see that I am headed again towards the castle of pessimism located on top of the mountains of Meer Jafars and Meer Sadiqs.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 18:32 #
revolutionary
Member

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2008/02/08ISLAMABAD483.html

The great NS.

Some excerpts :

9. (C) Nawaz and Khan(Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan) both repeatedly said that the PML-N was pro-American. Nawaz recounted his decision to override his Chief of Army Staff and deploy Pakistani troops to Saudi Arabia in support of the U.S. coalition in the first Gulf War. Meanwhile, Khan noted, the PPP and its leaders were organizing street demonstrations against Pakistan joining with the U.S. coalition. Now, Nawaz said, he was hurt that the U.S. did not remember. Nawaz said he understood that 9/11 had changed things, but urged that the U.S. apply some balance to the relationship.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 18:33 #
shimatoree
Member

Nawaz Shareef is a third rate shopkeeper and no more.
Those that are around him are the same type and they will sell him too if the profits were adequate.

I hope the yellow goats of Pakistan see that.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 18:36 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

And IK was a first grade model and famous play boy.
I am afraid of another warning otherwise I could say more
Damad e Yahood داماد -e -یہود

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 20:45 #
habibtahir
Member

wikileaks is just a piece of shitt....

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Dec 2010 21:35 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Imran is not a politician at all, so USA or any other power interfering in Pakistan would like to deal with him. All others are truly corrupt politicians working on foreign agendas.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 9:52 #
haider3
member

Anwar Kamal, I, too, never forget that IK is Damad e Yahood. Nonetheless, I'm willing to give him a chance. We can always give him the boot if he lets us down. In any case, the whole of the Arab world practically is in the same situation. So one more, one less, what difference? See what those who were not D e Y do for us. Nothing but harm on a grand scale.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 10:53 #
haider3
member

shimatoree, good, feisty post in inimitable shimatoree style.

You are among the most impatient of revolutionaires I have ever come across. Look at me now. I don't dare say how many years I've been waiting for this to happen. But I do say: Trust the people of Pakistan. Your description of what happened to Mossadegh is very illuminating for our future as well. One problem there, however, we are still in search of our Mossadegh. See him nowhere around for the time being. Which makes me think that our uprising will be of quite a different nature.

Quite unplanned, wholly spontaneous and taking us to places which none of us can quite foresee at this precise moment. No dearth of Meer Jafars and Sadiqs where we come from, true. But I humbly beg you, shimatoree, to give that castle of pessimism a miss. Once you lock yourself into it, we'll have a terrible time of it trying to get you back into our midst again.

Keep an eye on Korea as we go along. The key to world liberation might well be held in Juche hands.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 11:06 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I say BS!. Imran Khan is not the 'only' politician outside of US influence.

Muslims still have a long way to go in 'understanding' what is what.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 11:22 #
NNL
member

IF Wiki leaks had any credibility it left the window when they made up this insinuation

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 14:05 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

قحط الرجال
People Like IK are supposed to be a leader.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 21:33 #
progressivepk
Member

Its funny..when some one is NOT at all in power,he can be judged on the same metric???He has NEVER been in power and never be in authoritative position in govt;then how can one judge him and his party different from others??

Simple Question but needs an honest reply....When a person cant organise his party in a decades time(whose main stream party cadre are hardly few,whose gross root level presence is sparsely low and whose party vision is unappealing to commoner of Pakistan) can run the affairs of state????

A man who cant manage his party to be for front in Pakistani main stream..how can we expect him to do miracles on larger scene??? Pls be realistic,he is nice person,good pressure group and social worker but he is total failure in politics.

Posted 1 year ago on 05 Dec 2010 22:05 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

I accept.

Imran Khan is outside of US influence.

only if he sheds some bad light on Taliban activities someday on TV, then ill also say he is not under "Taliban" influence!

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Dec 2010 2:08 #
awaisis
Member

Man, you guys are obsessed and very shot sighted. What It takes you to appreciate any such stance of a person, after all are we not all Pakistani, or is it the questions of ur dignity and ego, that goes beyond Pak.

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Dec 2010 8:36 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@awaisis: Why should we appreciate 'just' 'one' man, when there are many more ?

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Dec 2010 9:00 #
nsdap
Member

Do the CYBER-WARRIORS of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Internet, sorry Tehreek-e-Insaf ever shut down their computers?

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Dec 2010 10:00 #
ajhons
Member

I wrote this lately

"Well, I can't see Altaf Hussain also in these report.Brother you are trying to make these leaks as a litmus for illegibilty and scale of honesty.Didn't You"

Now MQM is also very mush in th club.The other day Wikileaks said that it might take some good seven years to unfold all the documented mysteries.

Posted 1 year ago on 06 Dec 2010 10:10 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Imran Khan should take up his arms to condemn the Salafi terrorism in the strongest words.

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Dec 2010 11:56 #
scindian
Member

Agreed !!
I also believe this perception.

Posted 1 year ago on 07 Dec 2010 13:36 #
salaudin
Member

@Hussain Farooqui
He has always condemned terrorism but people like you are not willing to accept/believe it.
You are doing nothing BUT fooling yourself. Perhaps people like you should start condemning terrorism (by a so called political party).

Posted 1 year ago on 08 Dec 2010 7:12 #