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In Remembrance of the Destruction of the Islamic Khilafah

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  1. Londonistan
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    In Remembrance of the Destruction of the Islamic Khilafah
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    From the time Islam was revealed, the kuffar have waged an unrelenting struggle against Islam and the Muslims.

    Despite this struggle, Muslims reined victorious for thirteen centuries with the exception of a few battles during the Crusade and Tatar invasions. The ideological might of the Khilafah and unyielding spirit of Iman, coupled with the sacrifice of the Muslims continuously proved overwhelming for the kuffar. However on the 28th of Rajab 1342 AH, corresponding to the 3rd of March 1924, the Western world lead by England at the time - finally achieved what they had long desired and for which they had exerted enormous effort: the abolition of the Islamic Khilafah and the separation of Deen from state, and Islam from politics. Consequently, the West spread their control over the Muslims and their lands. This calamity was made successful through the ardent support of Western agents from both the Arabs and Turks where the traitor Mustafa Kamal was at their head.

    Despite the absence of the Khilafah for more than 80 years, the West have been forced to acknowledge that their victory over the Muslims would be short lived yet again, as the call for the return of the Khilafah resonates around the world loud and clear. The hearts of the Muslims yearn for it, their tongues speak of it day and night, and they anxiously await the birth of a new dawn.

    As the struggle between Islam and Kufr reaches its final stages, the disbelieving West and its allies seek to lead the Muslims astray from the reality of the Islamic Khilafah, from the disasters the Muslims face due to its absence, and from what good fortune its return will bring to the Muslims in this world and the hereafter.

    For the purpose of understanding the reality of the struggle today, we put forth the following questions:

    • Why did the disbelieving West destroy the Khilafah?
    • Why does the disbelieving West work to prevent the return of the Khilafah?
    • Why is it obligatory for the Muslims to re-establish the Khilafah?

    The answers to these vital questions can be comprehensively understood by defining the true essence and reality of the Khilafah;

    • The Khilafah is the general leadership of all the Muslims in the world, which implements the Islamic Shari’ah and carries the Islamic Da’wah to the world.
    • The Khilafah represents the unification of the Muslims under one Imam (Leader) and under the flag of tawheed.
    • The Khilafah will ensure that Muslims are bound by a single brotherhood and their lands are one.
    • The Khilafah means that the absolute sovereignty is for the Shari’ah of Allah which ensures the implementation of Islam comprehensively in our lives, whereby all the rulings of kufr and taghout (evil) are abolished.
    • The Khilafah entails that the authority of the Muslims rest solely within their hands, thus enabling the Muslims to control their political destiny and liberate themselves from the shackles of Western colonialism which chains and enslaves the will of the Ummah.
    • The Khilafah means that the Muslim Ummah takes her rightful role in the world, rescuing the Muslims her the evil of global capitalism and shading them under the light and justice of Islam thereby leading and guiding humanity with it.
    • The Khilafah represents the liberation and expulsion of all disbelieving forces from every inch of occupied Muslim land, and the prevention of any colonialist presence, be it military, political, cultural, economical or otherwise.
    • The Khilafah means that the natural resources will be entrusted to its rightful owners (Muslim citizens) and will expel the Western capitalist companies who pillage those resources leaving the Muslims dying of hunger and begging the West for their daily survival.
    • The Khilafah represents the return of the Ummah to its rightful place in areas of knowledge, science and research, inventions, discovery and investment in advanced infrastructure development with free will to serve the interest of the Muslims.
    • The Khilafah means that the Ummah will plough her own land, fulfil her needs, secure her food resources, such that no individual is left impoverished and threatened by starvation as the Ummah will no longer be subjected to the will of her enemy.
    • The Khilafah means the removal of tribalism and nationalism in which Islam has prohibited, and the return of the Islamic bond of brotherhood between all Muslims – “The Muslim is the brother of a Muslim”.
    • The Khilafah represents the return of peace to chaotic societies, thus the hearts will be tranquil in the dhikr of Allah, and the people will be tranquil about their deen, honour and wealth.
    • The Khilafah means the protection of the Aqeedah, of worship, morals, values, and all the rules set by Allah.
    • The Khilafah means that the Ummah will possess its own manufacturing and military industries free to direct its own policies in these areas.
    • The Khilafah stands for the pleasure of Allah through the implementation of His Shari’ah; stands for the honour of the believers who testify to the Oneness of Allah; stands as the real shield of the Ummah and the armour of the believing women; stands as the true place of worship for the worshippers and mujahideen; and stands as the protection of the rights of Allah and the rights of the people.

    Given that these are just some of the realities of what the Khilafah embodies, it is little wonder why the West exerted considerable effort in bringing about its demise, and it is no surprise that the West works even harder to prevent its return. So it is a great wonder and surprise to witness the complacency of a Muslim who is not engaged in the noble work of its return despite the sincerity displayed to Allah, his Deen and his Ummah. Even more surprising than this is that some Muslims, including some who wear the garbs of the Ulema, support the treacherous rulers in the Muslim world who are agents to the disbelieving West - rulers who have openly and unashamedly betrayed Allah, His Messenger and the believers.

    O Muslims,
    The devils from amongst the jinn and mankind, of the disbelievers, their allies and agents, whisper to you that the return of the Khilafah is impossible, and that the West with its great material power will challenge it if it is established, and that the Muslims have no chance against the West and its power, and that the state of ‘Israel’ and the ‘statelets’ breaking up the Muslim World will fight it from the inside, and that an economic boycott will be placed on it, and, and, and...

    If these are the whisperings of some of the devils amongst the jinn and man, then Allah the Exalted, King of kings, and His Messenger (sws), our role model and example, promised us something else. Allah (swt) says,

    ]وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَىٰ لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا ۚ يَعْبُدُونَنِي لَا يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا ۚ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ[
    “Allah has promised those among you who believe, and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them in the land succession (to power) on earth, as He granted it to those before them; and that He will establish in authority their religion - that which He has chosen for them (Islam). And that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: They will worship Me and will not associate anything in worship with Me. But whoever disbelieved after this, they are the transgressors.” [al-Nur: 55]; and the Messenger said,

    (إن الله زوى لي الأرض فرأيت مشرقها ومغربها وإن أمتي سيبلغ ملكها ما زوى لي منها) رواه مسلم وأبو داود وابن ماجة والترمذي
    “Allah showed me the earth and I looked at its East and its West. Indeed, the dominion of my Ummah will reach everywhere I was shown.” (Muslim, Abu Dawud); and he also said,

    “The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a rightly-guided Khilafah upon the way of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then there will be a biting rule which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be oppressive rule, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a rightly-guided Khilafah upon the ways of the Prophethood, then he kept silent” (Musnad Ahmad)

    Therefore, O Muslims, seek the Help of Allah the Exalted, work sincerely for Him, and know that your Ummah is strong and powerful by Allah, and that your enemies are weaker than the web of a spider. As for all those who sincerely ask, “When will the support of Allah come?” we say to them what our Lord said,

    ]أَلآ إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللَّهِ قَرِيبٌ[

    “Yes! Certainly, the support of Allah is near!” (al-Baqarah: 214)

    ] وَاللَّهُ غَالِبٌ عَلَىٰ أَمْرِهِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ [
    "And Allah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not." (al-Nur: 63)

    Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia

    08 Rajab 1429 AH
    11 July 2008 CE

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2008 12:38 #
  2. Revivalist
    member

    Mash-a- Allah, a great and well written leaflet by the brothers of Australia.

    “Yes! Certainly, the support of Allah is near!” (al-Baqarah: 214)

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Jul 2008 6:55 #
  3. Omer Khan
    Member

    Sure Khilafah may mean all of that. But then the topic starts with "In remembrance...."

    Cuz that Khilafah wasn't much different than the British crown. Only that ppl still had affection for it. But it was in an utter state of internal decay.

    So let's not remember it as if it (Khilafah atleast 1800s onwards) was some mythical golden period for muslims.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Jul 2008 23:24 #
  4. Revivalist
    member

    Bro Omar the topic starts with “In remembrance" because each year if you follow political events you might be well aware that Muslims across the globe does marches, conferences, seminars, rallies etc you know why? Because in the month of Rajab Kamal Ata-Kufr destroyed the institution of Khilafah in turkey and in remembrance of that day we organize activities across the globe to remind the Muslims about there responsibility. If you remember last year we did conference in Indonesia where more then 100000 people came to attend that.

    Your saying that Khilafah was not much different then the British crown shows your superficial knowledge of history, where you could not see the difference between both of them. The most interesting thing I noticed is that unfortunately some of our Muslims speak against Khilafah with out having any knowledge about it but when it comes to the scholars and intellectual of the west we see they praise Khilafah so much i.e. even Adam smith praised Khilafah in very good words. The CEO of HP company praised Khilafah and said “we want that system back we need Suleman the magnificent”.

    AS for as remembering Khilafah, so its not our choice as a Muslim to remember it or not rather it is mandatory upon us to work for its re-establishment. You UNDERSTAND!

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 6:26 #
  5. Omer Khan
    Member

    hahah whatever. UNDERSTAND this: Are you capable of being like Adam Smith to praise the break throughs done by the enlightened men who are not muslims?

    For that requires courage and enlightenment. Your constant harping of khilafah is a moot point here. For we are all muslims and want glory for muslim ummah and we all want khilafah/Union. And betterment for the rest of humanity. But to be blind to the fact that Muslim Khilafah was nothing much more than Benign Kingship at best (benign according to the standards of that time) is a disservice to academia. There was no khilafah except for the 1st four Khaliphs who were elected through various semblance of rudimentary body politik.

    To mourn the loss of monarchy/khilafah which ended in the early 20th century sounds much like other useless mumbo jumbo to me like the regurgitated moharram noha.

    The way to muslim unity is to lead by example. And to date there is no muslim country which has that model neither are there any vociferous enlightened elite in any muslim country who espouse and fight for enlightened ideas. Pakistan has a chance of becoming a model for muslim ntions to emulate because it has so much going for it: the people, the awareness, the heroes which have emerged, and the utter decay and disenchantmnt with the current kleptos. If Pakistan emerges as a model state, than we can hope that opressed people in other nations muslim/nonmuslim but especially muslims can take their cue from her and stand up and produce heroes of their own. Nations with like philosophy and like aspirations tend to have a natural alliance. And are looked up to by others if they are moral, and free.

    That's the way to revive the khilafah. Education, open mindedness, moral uprightness, and hardwork. Lots and lots of hardwork and study and honesty worthy of an academician and civility and toleration worthy of a gentleman, a noble scholar.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 8:16 #
  6. Revivalist
    member

    @Omar
    I fundamentally disagree with that break through made by these pseudo enlighten men as a reaction to the domination of church and I believe it caused destruction to the humanity which we are witnessing since then. We see nothing but killing and looting of Nations and new form of slavery and colonisation was introduced by this ideology, where the master uses his servant to feed himself.

    In fact what you fail to understand is that I am referring to Islam and its ruling system Khilafah I m not saying lets bring back those eras of Abbasids Khilafah or Uthmani Khilafah which were problematic neither i m inviting you and others to bring back those khulufah who were corrupt and cruel. Our call is to bring back Islam and the method to bring Islam back is Khilafah. If you have any intellectual point to prove then come up with that. I hope you understand what I mean!

    A global struggle is going on for this change and people who are struggling for this radical ideological change are ready to sacrifice everything they have and they are sacrificing it already. If you are unaware of your Muslims brothers and sisters it’s your fault and not of them. FYI Hizb_ut_Tahrir is active is more then 40 countries for this global change and inviting Muslims to join hands with us for reviving Khilafah which is the mother of all the faraiz according to Imam-Abu Hanifa. We have put forward our ideological challenge to every body and to every ISM.

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 10:36 #
  7. Revivalist
    member

    One point which I missed is that there is no disagreement about there material progress but apart from that they only gave destruction to the societies and nations when you compare it with Islam. so we need not to copy there civilization

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 10:53 #
  8. shikra
    Blocked

    There is only one, the most peaceful, religion on the Earth.
    It is the religion of Buddha.
    All other religions are imbued with bloodshed, intolerance, atrocities and killings.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 11:08 #
  9. Revivalist
    member

    Is it mention in Buddha’s religion that if some one want to kill you, your family and plunder your resources and all, let them do this and just sit quite and don’t retaliate? If so then it is not for humans and it’s not in match with human nature.

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 14:06 #
  10. shikra
    Blocked

    Buddha's religion preach not to kill any living creature, even the ants.
    What a noble, gentle and compassionate feeling and thinking?
    The philosophy of Buddha is based upon the principle of respect and protection for humanity.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 18:47 #
  11. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Shikra and All

    You are saying very true. that the practical example of religion which has no violence is only in the religion of Budha. Although we as Muslim are believing and claiming that Islam the peaceful religions,But i am sorry to say we Muslim are not practically demonstrating.

    Every religion's relating people are trying to prove his religion bitterness in saying that my religion is true.as its written in bible or Quran or other. But the fact is that the religion is the winer which has practical shows of good.
    Its not enough to say to others that Islam is good. and presenting the proof..
    God says in Quraan....Prophet says in Hadith.

    How about when a person don't believe in Quran and hadith..then What is your source of proof....So the only religion is the winner which has practical proof...not for people who are religious believing in God also for all those Who are called the scientific people(atheist).

    People says that Islam is spreading very fastest from all others...We should also observe that most fast growing populations is of atheist even from Muslims....Please All you people should think about practical logics in Islam rather only confined to Quran and hadith....

    @Londonistan

    And also please dont try to prove Khilafat through only Hadith....Khialfat practical examples is Ameer u mumeneen Zia ul haq ..who destroy the whole pakistan where now people are killing one one others only to prove that my Aqeeda is good your one ios wrong. because of that **** more then million people were killed in Afghanistan, in the name of so called jihad.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 19:36 #
  12. Why a large number of people are so allergic and scared of the very concept of Khilafat?
    1. The supporters of Khilafat hardly condemn the act of suicide bombing and killings of innocent people, what gives a logical impression, if they also support Terrorism.
    2. They have a soft corner for the most notorious militant groups which are responsible for giving a bad name to Islam and the Muslim.
    3. The previous history of Khilafat is not so glorious, particularly after the assassination of the Fourth Pious Khalif, Hazarat Ali.
    4. Three out of Four Pious Khalifas were assassinated by those who had the honor and privilege to have learned from and lived with the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
    5. Khilafat of Bani Umayyad and Khilafat-i-Abbasid mostly passed through a period of turmoil, chaos and conspiracies.
    6. It was just after 22 years that the Head of the Islamic State, though called a Khlifa, actually was transformed into a Monarch, enjoying the absolute powers.
    7. There was no written Constitution to specify the principles of a smooth transfer of power.
    8. The Quran and Hadith was interpreted according to the Law of Necessity to make Khalifa more effective as it has been done in Pakistan.
    9. The most loyal person was appointed and nominated by the Khalifa to act as Qazi (Chief Justice).
    The modern Democratic system is an improvised, modified and comparatively updated version of the centuries old way of governance.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 22:36 #
  13. Londonistan
    Member

    @Khanbab

    This is the reality that your system promises to its citizens: "Khilafah" protects its citizens from such brutalities. People like you are outcome of "status-co", not us!

    @JS

    One question, what was the Law of the Land that governed Muslim land till the time of Khilafah? I'm sure you are not that stupid to answer such a simple question? were they based on "Anglo-Saxon Code of conduct" or was based on "Sharia Law"? What was the "Law of the Land"? Irrespective of "misapplication or misinterpretation of Law", what was Law if the Land? What was the Language of the Court?

    If you have a conscious and a working brain, I’m sure you cant over look the fact that only thing that makes us different from all the other nations is non other than our Law i.e. “Sharia Law”. The continuous implementation of Law based on Quran & Hadith till the last date of the most sacred institution of Ummah, i.e. Khilafah, is an undeniable fact.

    And when Abraham Lincoln gets assassinated, when JFK get killed, when civil war happens in English history, civil wars of France and America, WWi, WWII, Iraq & Afghanistan wars etc, non of them makes your “Democracy” ineffective, how come when it comes to Islam all the rules suddenly changes! What a height of “Jahiliya”

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Jul 2008 23:37 #
  14. Revivalist
    member

    JS
    My very dear JS who told you that large number of people are allergic. Despite of and evil propaganda against Khilafah by the west and there agent rulers and supporters like you Khilafah is still gaining momentum every single day. Just to give you an example; we had a conference in Indonesia on 28th Rajab and more then 100000 people came to attend that, mostly women. It was organized in one of the 2nd largest football ground and was the largest conference ever in the history on the topic of Khilafah. Apart from that thousands of people came out and demonstrate for Khilafah and its re-establishment in almost all Muslim countries and some western countries on that day and 28th Rajab is near again and you would see activities again across the globe, InshaAlah. Moreover just read surveys of World public opinion, gallop etc and see how much percentage of people want strict adherence to the Shari’a. IF you are ignorant about these facts it’s your fault and not that Muslims don’t want it.

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 6:02 #
  15. shikra
    Blocked

    I am sure that Khilafat is not getting its position in the life time of next 14 generations.
    None of the above two scholars, Londonistan and Revivalist could make a valid argument to negate what JS wrote, but to loose temper.
    Was Khilafat established during the life of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) or after his departure?
    Acording to history the first Islamic State was established after the Fall of Mecca.
    Why the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is not known as the First Khalifa of the First Islamic State on the Earth?
    Why Hazrat Abu Bakr is named as the first Khalifa?

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 11:11 #
  16. Revivalist
    member

    Shikra

    IF you think Khilafah will not get its position in the next 14 generation then what is the point of asking question regarding it? You and JS keep on supporting colonialists and murderers of humanity and we will continue our work to remove them along with there Hypocrisy/Elitocracy and will through them both in the dustbin of history. Believe it or not Khilafah is very near and only those who have functional brain and following world events can sense it and see it becoming an undeniable reality of the world. The defeat of Secular democracy is immanent and it’s on retreat. All it need is a single push and that would be the re-establishment of KHILAFAH RASHIDA.

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 12:51 #
  17. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Revivalist

    let me tell you that these quaranic verses need explanations as there is not clear messages that Khilafat is the only way of government in this world for Muslims. You make one type of interpretation and me other.

    We call Khatim o nabeen as Last prophet.and Ahmadi interpret that Khatim mean fingers ring or stone in the ring. So please it depends how one interpret these. Now one should accept those interpretation which are also with logics and science and politics of humanity as well.....

    Your quaranic quot?
    "And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place a KHALIFA on earth. [02, 30]."

    kahlifa meaning is successor to the messenger of God, Not the king or ruler. Please don't use this one word as logic to make khialfat obligatory for humanity.

    My other request is that there are very high percent of people in the world are just believing in logics and science . they don't believe in Quran or bible or others book. What you have logics for those?.

    @Londonistan
    first we should not forget there is lot of progress done by Greece and Latin people in science . similarly I will agree with you that Muslims has made some progress in the civilization and science and knowledge.
    But you should also research the history what had been done by your so called some Khaliffa with those people who were doing to educate people in science and other education.
    Your very recent Khalifa Mulla Ummer( American peeto) has done what to the education. stop women from education, destroying other civilizations...please please these khialfat are not possible which voilete the rights of more then 60% population of human,which is women.

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 15:31 #
  18. shikra
    Blocked

    Khanbaba has helped me to terminate this debate with the point that every human being on the Earth is a Khalifa of God.
    What is left to discuss where Khilafat is already there?

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 16:03 #
  19. Londonistan
    Member

    @Khanbaba

    For your information:

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/

    And how much your democratically elected government has done for "Education" to date? It makes me laugh! You are so much infatuated with the Western propaganda that you are not ready in anyway to open your eyes and accept the reality in front of you!

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 18:47 #
  20. KhanBaba
    Member

    Dear All

    The Qur’an itself did not specify a particular form of government. But it did identify a set of social and political values that are central to a Muslim polity.

    Three values are of particular importance:

    pursuing justice through social cooperation and mutual assistance (Qur’an 49:13; 11:119);

    establishing a non-autocratic, consultative method of governance;

    and institutionalizing mercy and compassion in social interactions (6:12, 54; 21:107; 27:77; 29:51; 45.20).

    So, all else equal, Muslims today ought to endorse the form of government that is most effective in helping them promote these values. ...Several considerations suggest that democracy - and especially a constitutional democracy that protects basic individual rights - is that form."

    Khilafat never give idea of social cooperation as it doesn't allow woman to interfere in the policy matter. this mean voiletion of the God's creatures which is more than 50%.

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jul 2008 20:00 #
  21. Revivalist
    member

    Khanbaba
    Bro I with due respect disagree with your statement that Quran has not specified any particular Ruling system if I take this argument of yours then I can say that Quran has not specified any specific type of ablution or Quran has not specifies many other things which are specified in Sunnah. So saying that Quran has not specified any Ruling system is forged idea and is not an Islamic opinion. We see that right from the time of Khulufah_Rashedeen till the time of Khilafah Abul-Majeed the Khilafah state existed and tried its best to protect the Ummah, its blood, honor, dignity, resources and Aqeedah. I hope you know the incident of Voltaire the novelist and the response of Khalifah abdul-Hameed. I hope you remember the offer of Gen.Hurdzel and the reply of Khalifah Abdul-Hameed, all these happened in the 20th century when Khilafat-e-Uthmania was know as the sick man of Europe. It may be that at times the caliphs did corruption, oppressed people or killed each other to get the post of the caliph but one thing which remain there and did not become an issue was, weather the system of Khilafah should remain there or not? Or they did not struggle to bring another system to replace Khilafah. Now the simple thing is to learn from our past mistakes and try not to repeat it again. But to say that because of the mistakes of some khulufah we need to abandon the system as a whole is an utter nonsense.

    I would request you to come up with arguments from the given sources of Islam or opinion of any Scholar to invalidate Khilafah as a ruling system of Islam. Isn’t is very simple!

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Jul 2008 8:23 #
  22. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Revivalist

    dear brother you have presented in the following that God ordered us to follow the rules by God as written in qurran. Right?

    Allah (SWT) says in the translation of the meaning of the Qur'an ul-Kareem (TMQ):

    1. "But no, by your Lord, they will not have Eeman until they make you (O Prophet) rule between them in that wich they dispute, and they find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction" (TMQ 4:65).

    2. "Indeed, we have revealed to you the book with the truth so that you may rule between mankind by that which Allah has shown you" (TMQ 4:105).

    3. "So rule between them by that which Allah has revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them in case they seduce you from just some part of that which Allah has revealed to you" (TMQ 4:49).

    4. "Whosoever does not rule by that which Allah has revealed, they are disbelievers (Kafiroon).....the thaalimoon (oppressors)....the fasiqoon (evil doers)"
    (TMQ 4. 5:44-47)

    These Ayat donot say specificaly about the form of govenaments. These ayat direct us to follow the rules of Allah in this world. I totaly agree with this that no one should voilete the rules of Allah. But where is the proof that these rules mean the Khialafat?. there is nothing specificaly written about the form of govtnaments. But Quran give us some hints and rest it leaves on us to decide with our mind the best services to humanity. Here are the hints by Quran ul Hakeem.

    pursuing justice through social cooperation and mutual assistance (Qur’an 49:13; 11:119);

    establishing a non-autocratic, consultative method of governance;

    and institutionalizing mercy and compassion in social interactions (6:12, 54; 21:107; 27:77; 29:51; 45.20).

    Now please if more than half of population dont agree with this khilfat and mastership. and also non-Muslim are also not happy from us in this system as they don't have any right in this system. To live in this world, We should choose some type of system where people choose their good and bad above all. This system is democracy. Not Khilafat, Khilafat where promise or claim of service to the people is there but the actual power is not in the hand of people.

    Posted 3 years ago on 23 Jul 2008 10:18 #
  23. Revivalist
    member

    Khanbaba
    Bro I told you many times that IF you take only Quran and leave the Sunnah, Ijma-us-Sahaba and Qiyas you can not understand Islam because denying 3 other major sources of Islam one can not extract the real Hukum about many issues. In fact Quran it self guides us to these sources. NOW as for as your question that the Ayats I mentioned does not indicate directly that Khilafah should be the ruling system in Islam so for that we need to see what was the understanding of the companions of the Prophet (swt) of these Ayahs and many Ahadith of the prophet (saw). When we refer the issue of Khilafah being the ruling system in Islam to sahaba and analyze what was there understand of these verses so we see that when Muhammad (saw) died, the sahaba left him in one of the sahabi’s home and they gathered in Saqifa Banu-Saida to settle the issue of Khilafah and elect a caliph because they knew the importance and sharee understanding of Khilafah. Moreover when we see the opinion of ALL THE CLASSICAL SCHOLERS, Tabaeen and Taba-Tabaeen, there understanding is very much clear in this regard.

    Bro Honestly I don’t understand why and on which bases you are saying that Khilafah is not the ruling system in Islam and that’s why we need to adopt democracy, knowingly that democracy was invented way before Muhammad (saw) come to this world and is based on two major principles 1-Soverignity belongs to the people 2- Majority is authority. IF you remove any of these two principles or replace it with another one then THAT THING is not democracy.

    Bro you also said “We should choose some type of system where people choose their good and bad above all” Now where have you got this understanding from????? Allah (swt) said many times in Quran that rule by what Allah (swt) has revealed and don’t follow your wishes and desires but you are saying that we need a system where people choose good and bed for themselves. You also said that “Not Khilafat, Khilafat where promise or claim of service to the people is there but the actual power is not in the hand of people” I would again disagree with you. In Islamic ruling system the sovereignty belongs to Allah (swt) but authority belongs to the people. People will elect there rulers and if he violate Islamic rules the Ummah is obliged to do a strong accountability and if needed remove him by force. As for as electing the ruler in Democracy and Khilafah is concern so what differentiate election in Khilafah and election in democracy is that in democracy every party comes up with there own manifestos it can be a communist manifesto, secular manifesto or can be Islamic and based on there manifestoes people give them vote. In Khilafah the manifesto must be Islam and all the manifestoes must be derived from Islam. Besides in Khilafah people give bayat to the Khilafah and the condition of bayat is that the ruler will implement Islam and the people will obey him. If the ruler will violate the contract the people will remove him and will replace him with a sincere and able Khilafah.

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Jul 2008 10:47 #
  24. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Revivalist

    Dear bro, that we are strongly bound to Quran and then authenticated sayings by prophets(PBUH). I have presented some reference in my previous messages from quran which suggest what should be the main aspect of the system which are very near to democracy type of system...Once Again these are here:

    pursuing justice through social cooperation and mutual assistance (Qur’an 49:13; 11:119);
    establishing a non-autocratic, consultative method of governance;
    and institutionalizing mercy and compassion in social interactions (6:12, 54; 21:107; 27:77; 29:51; 45.20).

    The rest you mentioned about Saqifa Banu-Saida type of logics then we are not ordered by Allah to follow outcomes of these type of gathering where you said that Prophet jast e khaqi is left in some place and they started to make govt.Thanks to listen from you ..I am here little bit suspiciue .Is it was so important to make this gathering at this time....may be..as you said...Any how

    They were intelligent people that is why they may have settled good system for that time for the muslim to stop them from disintegration But it is not Word of Allah to follow for ever. We are allowed to modify the system with time while don't voilete the rule of Allah. They made new system after Prophet under the provision of Allah rule.We are also with good intellectual mind that is why we should also use it and develop our system for our need. Those religon which are not evolved with passage of time become past. Islam is for until qayamat .

    Islam was not for that time ,Islam is forever. So we should develop new systems which are not counteradicting the teaching of Quran and prophet.

    Again my request will be that we should prove our system with practicality as we are facing not only Muslims to convince but also those who even don't believe in Allah.for them we should present Khilafat with logics and full of human rights. or at least we should gave some proof of some thing which is accepted by all Muslim sects.

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Jul 2008 11:17 #
  25. Revivalist
    member

    Khanbaba
    Bro the congregation of sahaba in Saqifa Banu-saida to elect a khalifah, prove the obligation of Khilafah and it was with out a doubt an important task to be done at that particular time and sahaba did this which confirm its importance. This is not my understanding rather this is the understanding of the sahaba and the classical scholars of Islam. Let me ask you some think, you said we need to develop a new system because khalifah is old now. What you think is not applicable today and why?

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Jul 2008 12:25 #
  26. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Revivalist

    Many of the people around have put forth the idea of returning to the system of hey-days of khilafat as cure to all our ills. For them, reverting back to that era and its ideals is the silver bullet we require for werewolf of our state of insignificance and misery.

    One can hardly blame the ordinary Muslims for it. For over the centuries, they have been bombarded with a constant and continuous propaganda of "Hail Khilafat", just when at the core of it lie the vested interests of religious clergy and the subsequent monarchies that labeled themselves as Khilafats. And even to this modern age, religious clergy sees it as the most potent tool in its bid to absolute power in the proposed theocratic state they envision.
    Even today organizations like Islami Tehrik, Hizb-ul-tehrir, Taliban and AlQaeeda declare establishment of a Khilafat as there prime objective.

    The intensity of the propaganda has been such that in the Muslim World, Khilafat has become as holy as Oneness of Allah or Prophet-hood of Muhammad (PBUH). In this atmosphere it is almost impossible to have a rational discussion on the role and essence of Khilafat as a political system. This writing is an attempt to analyze Khilafat in a rational and logical way. The idea is to present the other side of the picture in a heavily biased one-sided horizon of Pro-Khilafat.

    Dear Revivalist

    First and foremost, Khilafat as a concept and having a head of communal affairs for life time has always been an age old custom in tribes all across the world. This was the prevalent system in Arab world before Islam and it just translated into Khilafat after the death of Prophet.

    Secondly, Khilafat was not an established system in the first place. Any stable and established political system has to have clear criterion for succession as well as selection of the leader(s).

    In Khilafat, all four caliphs came through different selection/assumption processes. First caliph was declared caliph by a handful and the rest endorsed him. The second caliph was picked by the first one. The third was selected by a council of elders comprising 6 notables and the last one was picked up by a group of Muslims just when another group remained opposed to his accession. How can this system be a model system that we can adopt in 21st century or for that matter at any point in history? Stability remains the cornerstone of effectiveness of any political system and with such selection/assumption criterion any system is bound to fail.

    Here i should add that if we consider that this system was some how successful but it may be because those people were good enough. But still soon after the Death of the prophet Islam was divided into different ideologies

    In fact that system did fail even then. For Islamic world was in turmoil and chaos in last years of third caliph and entire term of the forth. And it was not until Muawiya introduced monarchy and then his son effectively eliminated all vocal opposition to the new system (monarchy) that the polity got stability. Any common sense analysis will consider it as the failure of Khilafat system. If Khilafat was a divine system, divinity cannot fail.

    Another issue with Khilafat that is more based on theology of Fiqas than practicality is that a Caliph can only be from Quresh (though when Ottoman's rose to power, the clergy clinging to the law of necessity milded the clause a bit - references to the insistence on Quresh can be found in the early literature of all these Fiqas). Now in a religion which was based on equality of humans, this seems absurd (why could the so called Imams insist on this in the presences of sermons to the extent that if a **** becomes your leader, follow him).

    An last but certainly not the least, the linking of Khilafat to the rise of Muslims. We miss a point that the society then had undergone a great revolution brought by the Prophet and it was effectively the current of that revolution that made Muslims rise and conquer the world. The rise of Muslims as the major power cannot be attributed to Khilafat but effectively to the message that the Prophet brought. It was for that message that the dominance continued not only during Khilafat but also afterwards under Ummayad monarchy.

    Also, all the talk of accountability and sense of responsibility of Hazart Omer or justice of hazrat Ali and all other goods of the system, they were personal traits and consequence of the character of great individuals. They would have been equally effective and prominent in any other system. In fact, just when in Khilafat these traits hinge solely on the character of individuals, the system of modern liberal democracy provides an effective mechanism to institutionalize these virtues to a greater extent.

    Even modern liberal democracy is not perfect, but it certainly is more effective than Khilafat on this issue and many others. Creating an effective system of checks and balances, not left to the whims of man at top (talk of Ummayad nepotism during 3rd Caliph - Ref. Mr. Maududi's Khilafat ya Malukiyat), that can effectively hold anyone and everyone accountable in a more institutional way. To me this is the biggest injustice we do to ourselves to fall for an ever-nonexistent utopia of Khilafat, just when we need to craft or adopt a vibrant, stable and modern political system for us.

    Please dear borhter come up with new logic more with practicality rather then going back to history....

    Posted 3 years ago on 24 Jul 2008 15:01 #
  27. Do not squable on past.

    Khilafat in 21st Century can not and should not look exactly like what it was like more then 1000 years ago.

    Islam is a Perpetual Dynamic Religion.

    Muslim's do not have the copy rights to what Islam is, simply because they call themselves Muslims and follow some rituals. Islam is entirely different, of what any ordinary person in this world looks at Muslims of Today and thinks about Islam.

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    Posted 3 years ago on 27 Jul 2008 20:26 #
  28. Londonistan
    Member

    Dont buy it! its a scam to earn money through membership fees!

    Posted 3 years ago on 27 Jul 2008 20:45 #
  29. Insider
    Member

    what happens when a shia caliph comes to power and makes everyone beat themselves with chains?

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Aug 2008 20:54 #
  30. Revivalist
    member

    Insider
    These types of problems are not only there in shias rather there are problems in Sunnis as well. The state will try to resolve all these issues with dialogue and will try to eradicate all types of Bidat through dialogue. If shai and Sunni can live together under the system of KUFR (Secularism, Democracy) why not Islam? If they lived together for centuries having there valid differences then why not now? This is basically the conspiracies of the west to divide Muslim on difference lines.

    So please stop raising pointless questions and work for the revival and unification of the Ummah and stop playing in the hands of the enemy. What ever problem Ummah have will be resolved when Khilafah will establish because there is a famouse Prinsiple in fiqh which is" The hukum of Caliph resolve disputes" or "the hukum of caliph implements openly and hiddenly".

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Aug 2008 8:04 #
  31. Insider
    Member

    revivalist, the reason they can live in a secular society is because they are free to practice what they think is right.

    asking them to live under a caliph rule means that one is right and one is wrong, if the caliph is shia, all sunnis will have to practice their bidaty ways.

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Aug 2008 21:06 #
  32. Dear insider,

    please don't question their caliph because he will be true Muslim and we are not so better to accept their caliph as caliph or you will be hanged as kafir.(lol)

    I have replied in many ways from quran what Gods says but these caliph lovers have only hadith to prove their poionts and ayas like "help of God is near".and their claim is that this aya is for caliph.

    Hope that Mr. reviavlist and londistan have not read this aya of quran.

    3:7 He it is who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

    Regards.

    Posted 3 years ago on 08 Aug 2008 20:11 #
  33. Revivalist
    member

    Insider

    Bro if I living in the western society think that women should start wearing Hijab or the state should start taking zakat or the state should propagate Islam or the economic system of Islam should be implemented or the social system of Islam should be implemented or the judicial system should be implemented or the adulterous should be punished or the taxes should not be collected from the common people etc etc etc, this is what I think is right. Now tell me how would I implement all these in Sweden or UK?????? A country which can not tolerate hijab or insult other religions and prophets or who take part in bloody adventures with USA and support that etc etc etc how come you expect to live freely there? What you consider as freedom is nothing but rituals and worships, which a Hindu is also allowed and Sikh is also allowed. But FYI Islam is not like Hinduism or Sikhism my friend, Islam is DEEN, I hope you know the meaning of Deen and Islam requires a state to implement its systems. YOU UNDERSTAND!

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Aug 2008 6:10 #
  34. Revivalist
    member

    Dear Bro Tanzem

    As you are saying something very serious that Only Quran should be taken as sourse and not hadith and to support your argument you have presented a verse of the Holy Quran, which is in fact misunderstood by you. Could you please tell me which scholar of Islam think this or is it your understanding?????? BTW could you please tell me what Hadith Mutawatir is and what is its status??????

    As for as the question about the caliph is concern, he would not be a holy person or the Khilafah state will not be a holy sinless state. The state will be run by Humans and humans are prone to error but the system which will be implemented is error free because it is from Allah (swt). Besides we prove our point from all the sources of Islam i.e. Quran, Hadith, Ijma of the sahaba and Qiyas because these all are the recognized and established sources of Islam.

    Moreover every person who understand world politics and understand ideology could know that capitalism is on its retreat and falling down and the demand for an Islamic Khilafah is growing every single day. But as I said all those who keep there eyes and mind open and follow world events and affairs could know this.

    We as Muslims MUST always be hopeful that the help of Allah (swt) is near

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Aug 2008 6:25 #
  35. Please explain what did you understood from this aya and what i understood wrongly? treat me as unlearned man and tell me where does Quran says that Follow the hadith and above that many types of hadith so the one who want to deny any hadith can deny in polite or technical way that i don't accept because of such and such reason. this is all clever game of these thekedars of Islam. Quran clearly states that no other book accept Quran as message of God and also explains that it is the only hadith to consider. I hope you know those ayas but if you don't then let me know. i will show you those ayas.

    Please first reply my first question "what i understood wrongly in the aya 3:7 and what is your's or thekedars of Islam's understanding about that particular aya."

    Hope that his time you will answer properly.

    regards.

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Aug 2008 21:57 #
  36. Revivalist
    member

    As for as Sunnah as a source is concern so there are some unfortunate people who conceder that Hadith or Sunnah cant be the source but it is a grave sin a sever misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about Islam. I will give you a link of a small book which in 1978 some of our members went to meet Qaddaffi and discussed with him the matter of Sunnah. Please go through it, I hope you will understand the issue comprehensively.
    http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/multimedia/books/59-books/2127-communiqurom-hizb-ut-tahrir-to-colonel-gadaffi-1978?fff019c2376f158e0d4fcbcede9e72fc=4cf661a3c8e03216136b56afad4f5d4b

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 14 Aug 2008 8:11 #
  37. KhanBaba
    Member

    @Revivalist

    dear bro. No one is against the Sunnah. But Ahadith are in thousands and alot of them were published in different Kings and dictators. So there are some contradistinctions. We should accept those which are logical and majority have logics except few. so that is the reason that some people have reservations.
    For examples, there was debate amongst some friends in Holand. two of them were from Sudan,6 from phelastein, five were from india and me from Pakistan . The Arabs were denied the Hadith Which is very popular in Indo-Pak.
    "Husayn is from me and I am from Husayn, Allah befriends those who befriend Husayn and He is the enemy of those who bear enmity to family of prophet." . The Arabi people were not accepting this because they were saying that according to this Hadith Yazeed and his father Muawia are enemy of the family of Prophet so its not true to enemy of God as they were Muslim........I was silently listening to them.

    Give me your opinions in this situations...Please

    Posted 3 years ago on 14 Aug 2008 11:09 #
  38. There is a total of 45000 Hadiths, collected and compiled, almost 150-200 years after the death of Holy Prophet.
    To accept the authenticity of Hadths, first one will have to trust upon the authenticity of persons like Imam Bokhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Hanbal, Ibn-i-Maja, the main compilers of Hadiths.
    According to Allama Ghulam Ahmad Pervez the Hadiths could be respected as history of Arabian and Islamic Culture, but could not be accepted as a binding rule or substitute of Quran.
    According to many scholars the main reason of disintegration among the Muslim, is the outcome of Hadiths.

    Posted 3 years ago on 14 Aug 2008 13:37 #
  39. Dear revivalist,

    After reading, your link’s explanation I got the feeling that hadith is final verdict and not Quran in understanding the matters explained by God.yet in your book at one point it tells otherwise. If I go in detail against what was written in the article then it will be a long and boring answer for you because you never seem to read my posts anyway.

    Can you explain to me what these ayas mean and what God intended by those ayas.

    2:85 After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye rejects the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? - And on the Day of Judgment, they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do.

    20:114 High above all is God, the King, and the Truth! Be not in haste with the Quran before its revelation to thee is completed, but say, "O my Lord! Advance me in knowledge.”

    3:7 He it is who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding

    4:82 why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

    75:17 it is for us to collect it and to promulgate it:

    75:18 But when we have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated):

    Now your link tells me that Quran is incomplete and hadith books are the final verdict then please explain these ayas.

    2:79 then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

    31:21 when they are told to follow the (Revelation) that God has sent down, they say: "Nay, we shall follow the ways that we found our fathers (following).”What! Even if it is Satan beckoning them to the Penalty of the (Blazing) Fire?

    6:153 Verily, this is my way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. That ye may become righteous.

    10:15 But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come)."

    23:90 we have sent them the Truth: but they indeed practice falsehood!

    25:30 “O my Lord! Truly my people took this Quran for just foolish nonsense."

    50:45 we know best what they say; and thou art not one to overawe them by force. So admonish with the Quran such as fear My Warning!

    6:153 Verily, this is my way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. That ye may become righteous.

    Finally the word hadeeth is clearly mentioned in Quran in this aya but still they have written such a long article just to foolishly prove their hadiths as sunnah of the profit as words of God where God clearly stated in 2:79 what is the truth.

    45:6 such are the Signs of Allah, which we rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition (hadeeth) will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?

    Regards.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Aug 2008 19:13 #
  40. Anonymous

    in Quran u get the order of Salah and in sunnah u know how perform Sallah. In quran u get the orders and rules about ruling system and in Sunnah and also in ijmaa e sahaba u come to know how to perform it.
    No doubt Khilaafa is the only ruling system of islam.
    May Allah guide us to right path.

    Posted 3 years ago on 22 Jan 2009 22:32 #
  41. piyariawam
    Member

    Her is anidea how to start this and later accomplish it:

    Making 2 people brother like Muhajir and Ansar, start with the imaams and finally the whole 2 neighborhood mosque and its people.

    Idea to connect a rich neighbourhood mosque to a poor neighborhood mosque. Helping each other out 2 mosques at a time:
    The 2 mosques can be anywhere, one in SaudiArabia or Dubai or Europe and the other one in Indonesia , Afghanistan or Pakistan or India. We can also call 'em sister mosques.

    1) Built strong 2 Baitul Maal to meet the people of the 2 neighborhood mosques.
    2) Built strong defence security for such mosques and people and its neighborhood.
    3) Built strong medical clinic around them to meet the basic health needs of the people.
    4) Built strong Shariah judiciary among the people of these 2 mosques and neighborhoods.
    5) Built strong islamic schools which meets the requirement of the people of these 2 neighborhoods.
    6) And should have hostels in 'em too.
    7) We need to have all of this in a electronic-government format. 8)Meaning connect these 2 with internet and have e-classes and arabic classes in 'em. The rich neigborhood can provide the infrastructure and equipment and the poor neighborhood can provide the services of islamic teaching and vice versa.
    9) Trade between the people in sister mosques and especially on hilal food items and other daily use commodity.
    Like the rich neighbourhood can ask the poor neighbourhood to get them hilal foods ration for a year. So on and so forth.

    Posted 3 years ago on 25 Jan 2009 3:44 #
  42. Anonymous

    all these r patch solution r may be patch problems(solution that could create other problems). Only solution is government perform thir duties if not so work to replace them with real new system and real leader from ummah.

    Posted 3 years ago on 25 Jan 2009 20:12 #
  43. Revivalist
    member

    “Hadiths could be respected as history of Arabian and Islamic Culture, but could not be accepted as a binding rule or substitute of Quran. According to many scholars the main reason of disintegration among the Muslim, is the outcome of Hadiths”.

    Mr. Js Hadith is the 2nd most authentic source of Islam and comparing it with Arabian culture is nothing but ignorance. Those scholars who believes that hadith is the reason for disintegration are not worthy of being called as scholars they themselves are the core reason for the disintegration. In short those who does not believe in hadith as a source are simply out from the fold of Islam as well as it shows that they have not able to understand what Islam is and what are the sources of Islam. Could you please tell me what is hadith Mutawatir and what is its status??????

    Regards

    Posted 3 years ago on 27 Jan 2009 8:41 #

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