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Indentity of HAZARAS???

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  1. Dr. Dilawar

    Hi,
    Please post who are Hazaras. Even the President of The Hazara movment is Not a Hazara. Most of the folks living in Hazara division are not Hazaras.
    so who are they.

    Jadoons, Tareens, tanoolis, Toris are Pakhtoons. so what left.
    Please post.

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 17:06 #
  2. Migel9

    Dr I would like to know, what school you HAVE attended to be called a doctor?Second your THREAD is IDIOTIC, MORONIC,
    And it is based on divide and rule of UK.So stop it..No ethnic garbage we are all Pakistanis ..UNITY..Serve muslims period not what is their ethic background DR..

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 17:47 #
  3. azipashtoon

    @migel why its Always religion card ..used , are the rest of the muslim living with u or is it just pakistan who is muslim state ..u always try to decive people with this

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 17:55 #
  4. Migel9

    Azip??Religion card??western terminology??Hmmm.Do u have a green card??Visa card??Deceive people??in what way could you enlighten me please??

    Che Khabbar?

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 18:00 #
  5. Dr. Dilawar

    @Migel9

    Unity...Ofcourse. We have to stay together. So please spread the words of Unity.

    but still we want to know who are living in HAZARA division.

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 18:09 #
  6. achtung

    Dr dilawar ney valid sawaal kia hy. jo jantey hein iss ka jawab dein. iss mein divide aur rule ka koi pehlu nahee hy. ethnic/cultural values dar asal religious values sey kaheen ziada mazboot sabit hoti hein. iss ki wazeh misaal sabiqa mashriqi pakistan aur hamerey suboo kay mukhtalif ethnic groupoon mein kasheedgi hy. islam ka naam ley kar logoon ko bewaqoof banana molvi type logoon ka purana khail hy.

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 18:53 #
  7. Dr. Dilawar

    Hazaras

    The tribes in Hazara are

    Karlal, Jadoon, Gujjar, Awan, sheikh, Turk, Durrani, Tanoli, Dhund Abbasi, Syed,Swati, Kashmiri, Qureshi, Gakhar, Tareen, Mughal, Mashwani, Tahirkheli, Dilazak(Sub cast in Jadoons, Panni, Bib, Sarrara, Sulemani.

    and the majorty are pakhtoons except Kashmiris

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 18:55 #
  8. Dr. Dilawar

    The tribes in Hazara are Karlal, Jadoon, Gujjar, Awan, sheikh, Turk, Durrani, Tanoli, Dhund Abbasi, Syed,Swati, Kashmiri, Qureshi, Gakhar, Tareen, Mughal, Mashwani, Tahirkheli, Dilazak(Sub cast in Jadoons, Panni, Bib, Sarrara, Sulemani

    and the majorty are pakhtoons except Kashmiris, Turks, and sarrara.

    so do the math.

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 18:56 #
  9. Dr. Dilawar

    The tribes in Hazara are

    Karlal, Jadoon, Gujjar, Awan, sheikh, Turk, Durrani, Tanoli, Dhund Abbasi, Syed,Swati, Kashmiri, Qureshi, Gakhar, Tareen, Mughal, Mashwani, Tahirkheli, Dilazak(Sub cast in Jadoons, Panni, Bib, Sarrara, Sulemani.

    Ghilzai and Durrani tribes, and come other smaller groups are found throughout the Division. There is a smallpresence of Tajiks, Uzbeks (Mazar-e-Sharif Restaurant) and Hazara in the area.

    Pay attention to the last sentence please......

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 19:00 #
  10. Dr. Dilawar

    Tribal Communities in Hazara

    People here tend to associate themselves with larger families instead of a language as it was formerly known) like the Maliar, the Paracha, the Awan, the Sarrara, the Gujar, the Gakhar, the Dhund Abbasi, and the Karlal. People who speak Hindko are referred to by some academics as Pathans probably because many ethnic people, for example Mashwanis, Tareens, Swatis, Tahirkhelis, Tanolis, Dilazaks, Jadoons, Alizai, Khattak, Barakzai, Kakar, Umerzai, and Yousafzai who settled in Districts like Abbotabad, Haripur and Mansehra, adopted Hindko as their first language and had gained political power in these areas during the British rule and also because of many ethnic Pushtun people who speak Hindko as their first language in Peshawar and Kohat.

    It is important to mention that Awan tribe of this region is silmilar to Pashtun tribes of area because it also came from Arabia through Afghanistan and settled in such territories of Pashtun belt and have equal characteristics. The Hindko speaking people living in major cities Peshawar, Kohat, Nowshera and chhachh area of Attock are bilingual in Pashto and Hindko.

    Similarly many Pashto speaking people in districts like Mansehra especially in Agror Valley and northern Tanawal (Shergarh), have become bilingual in Pashto and Hindko.

    The area is dominated by the Híndko people (even most of them are pakhtoons), about 60% of the population speak the Hindko language as their mother tongue, while most of the rest speak Pashto as their mother tongue. Pashto (which forms a majority in the rest of the province) is predominant in Batagram, 60% of the population of Mansehra speaks Hindko while most of the remaining speak Pashto. Pashto and Kohistaniare spoken in [[Kohistan]. Swati Pakhtun are the major tribe in Mansehra District, Battagram districts. The majority of MPA and MNA belong to Swati tribe of Mansehra and Battagram.

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 19:15 #
  11. azipashtoon

    @migel i think u know wat i am talking about .. and if not then ur mental level is very low ..get some education and when u grow up mentaly (which i dont think) then talk to me ok !!

    Posted 4 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 19:39 #
  12. scindian

    Tanoli, Tori and and Jadoon were turk tribes,
    Afgani Hazara are of Turk and Mangol origen mainly speak persian Hazaeji,
    Pakistani word is Hazara is misnomer for poeple living at Indus Banks they are are Half sereiki and half Panjabi.

    Sindhi, Brohies,Gujrati , Seraiki , Hindko kashmiris and Panjabis are inhibitants of Indus Valley.
    Languages spoken by these poeple have branched from Sunskrit and Prakrit,

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 10:34 #
  13. Any book or reference telling us that Sindhi, Seraiki, Hindko, and Punjabi have been derived from Sanskrit.

    What about if Sanskrit is a much recent phenomenon and not so ancient as it is generally thought of?

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 10:41 #
  14. scindian

    Yes you are right Sindhi, Seraiki, Hindko, and Punjabi are not from sanskrit these languages are branched from Vedic Sanskrit,

    please see the languages tree

    pleas see at 2000px
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg

    Yes you are right this matter is contravercial among the linguists, that weither Sindhi seraiki and Panjabi are daughters of sanskrit or sisters of Sanskrit language.

    This is because that a good assay can be written in sindhi after omiting all words of Sanskrit and Prakrit.

    Sindhi language evolved over a period of 2400 years. The language of the people of Sindh, after coming in contact with the Aryan, became Indo-Aryan (Prakrit). Sindhi language, therefore, has a solid base of Prakrit as well as Sanskrit, the language of India, with vocabulary from Arabic, Persian, and some Dravidian - descendants from Mediterranean sub-continent. Initially, Sindhi had close contacts with Arabic- speaking Muslims. Therefore the language adopted many of the Arabic words.

    Paragraph no 4 and 5
    http://www.findpk.com/Culture/html/people_of_sindh.html

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 18:37 #
  15. Sindhi language, therefore, has a solid base of Prakrit as well as Sanskrit, the language of India,

    The times you quote relate to the subcontinent and not to united India of today. There are no written records that united India ever existed before the conquest by Lodhi Afghans and later Mughals except in the form of several kingdoms big and small.
    Sindh is more closely related to the cradle of civilization Uruk (Iraq) and Arayan civilizations (Iran) or westwards with Africa through Yemen and Oman than eastwards of todays India.
    The Sheedi tribes anually gather at the shrine of their saint 'Mangu Peer' in Karachi-Sindh. Watch closely their costumes and dance forms-a link to Africa (todays Ethiopia).

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 19:14 #
  16. scindian

    Current pakistan is of 63 years old but subcontinent is as old as human evolveded out of Adam and Eve,
    The much of work on history is done by Arabs,eurpians and we are pro-arabs and English.Indus valley is much older than any civilization on earth.

    I am not agreed on point that "Sindh related to the cradle of civilization Uruk (Iraq) and Arayan civilizations (Iran) or westwards with Africa through Yemen and Oman'

    http://www.sindhulogy.org/

    It is Pakistani sallybus which teach us that we are from Arabian deserts.yes we share same faith with then but not the DNA.
    This is a psychi of local Pakistanies and Indian muslims, that they have always represented themselves with Invaders came from west and north.

    The Sheedi tribes were slaves from africa were broght to Sindh time to time by Arabs, Parsians and English Invaders from vareouse parts of africa, they are spreaded from Gujarat upto Iran around 1500 km costal area.

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 19:58 #
  17. KHAN_Sahib

    @ALL,

    At this time of disaster when thousands of our brothers, sisters and kids have perished, some of us are bringing up the topics which has no other intentions but to divide us further. SHAME ON YOU DR DILAWAR and SHAME ON YOUR MOTIVE. FOR ONCE consider yourself a MUSLIM & PAKISTANI...

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 22:08 #
  18. SufiSoul

    Pls Gali Galouch se Parhaiz Karain.A soft message carries much more weight.

    thanx

    Posted 4 years ago on 13 Aug 2010 22:13 #
  19. Gujjar Talwar

    Dr. Dilawar wrote:

    The tribes in Hazara are

    "Karlal, Jadoon, Gujjar, Awan, sheikh, Turk, Durrani, Tanoli, Dhund Abbasi, Syed,Swati, Kashmiri, Qureshi, Gakhar, Tareen, Mughal, Mashwani, Tahirkheli, Dilazak(Sub cast in Jadoons, Panni, Bib, Sarrara, Sulemani.

    and the majorty are pakhtoons except Kashmiris"

    Above list of tribes in Hazara is pretty accurate but I would like add that there are also sizable numbers of Jatts and Arain, especially in major towns like Haripur, Abbottabad and Mansehra.

    There are not many ethnic Hazara in this region. I don't know how Hazara got its name but it has stuck.

    I don's agree with the statement, "majorty are pakhtoons except Kashmiris" on several accounts:

    The word Pakhtoon is generally used for Pushto speaking people. Since Pushto is the language of a minority in Hazara along the eastern bank of river Indus, that will make Pushtoons as a minority.

    Another definition of Pakhtoon is an Afghan ancestory. That will make only Swatis, Jadoons, Tareens and Tanolis and, may be, Tahirkhailis as Pakhtoons. Taken together, these tribes, although politically very influential, still stand as a minority. Also, only a fraction of them speak Pushto. On the whole, the dominant language in Hazara is Hindko.

    Overall Hazaraism is more of a political issue than an ethnic one. Historically, the inhabitants of Hazara have not towed the line of Pakhtoon nationalism, not so much because of ethnicity but because of their political interests. House of Ghaffar Khan has been advancing its parochial interests through Pakhtoonism and their myopic political philosophy has kept them from getting a foothold in Hazara. They always considered leading politicians from Hazara like Abbas Khan, Sardar Bahadur Khan, Abdul Qayyum Khan, Ayub Khan, Iqbal Khan Jadoon and most everyone who matters from Hazara, as their rivals.

    I just hope that recent uproar in Hazara for a separate province is a passing one. Hazara is too small to be a viable Province. Also, I consider Pakhtoon natioalists of ANP to be a minority and a receding party. They always come to power after oppressive periods of Military rule. Their racist tones are just as unpopular in Pashoon areas as they are in Hazara. If democratic process continues, they can be handily defeated all across Khyber Pakhtoon Province from the platforms of Muslim League and PPP. Rather than adopting isolationist slogans, Hazara politicians should work with their allies on the other side of Attock to sfegaurd their political interests.

    Posted 4 years ago on 14 Aug 2010 5:33 #
  20. I wholly support KHAN_Sahib's plea carefully to think of what we're saying at a time when our country has been struck down by a horrendous calamity. Unity is called for to face the problems of our flood victims, not further division.

    Posted 4 years ago on 14 Aug 2010 8:50 #

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