Indian Interest in Baluchistan - Open letter to Sonia Gandhi

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AsifK
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JJ Khan & Mirza Sahib

Nawab Akbar Bugti was paid rent of land acquired/used by OGDC/PPL , not the royalty.

Do u think that gas royalty was 4m$ annuaaly ? BAhi sahib , if i remember correctly the gas royalty paid to balochistan in 1991 was around 4B rupees with dollar at around 24 Rs .

For your kind memory , in days of conflict Nawab Akbar Bugti suggested a committee comprising of Mushaid Hussain , Arshad Haqqani and Ayaz Mir (all punjabis) to check this allegation that if state has eevery paid any royalty to Nawab sahib.

Again , let me repeat , please read the 1973 constitution. GAs royalty has to be paid to provincial govt not to any individual.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 14:47 #
shriq
Member

AsifK,

Good facts! But need to be confirmed as we have been getting the news that Akbar Bugti got the royalty.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 15:05 #
amin1924
member

AsifK,

I am learning the subject here from you and other members' work. I just read an article that talked about royalties -used this term- so I put the question.

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/single/?tx_ttnewstt_news=4830&tx_ttnewsbackPid=167&no_cache=1

Please continue, this domain is new to me.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 15:16 #
AsifK
Members

Thx Shriq and JJ

I m not an expert either. But i m simply trying to be logical .

its pretty simple that gas royalty can't be 4m$ per annum.

even now , gas roaylty is paid to govt of balochistan (at a lesser rate after making certain deductions) .

if u guys r following news on NFC award these days, the main points of Balochistan are 2.

a) Gas royalty be paid at full rate as per sindh and punjab rate without deductions.

b) resource allocation should not only be on population basis.

1973 constituion is pretty clear which calls for royalty payments to provinces not to individuals.

JJ
the link u posted is not working for me . Sorry mate.

Bahi meeray , levelling allegations specially against politicians is very easy in Pakistan. Question is if Akbar Bugti was getting money from Pakistan govt. , why pak govt was paying at all ? Again i would say , he was paid only rent for land which as land owner was his right as a person. nothing to do with development of balochistan or royalty.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 15:36 #
semirza
Moderator

@AsifK
We do not agree with you on the royalty point. Where ever you are correct will will agree. Members, lets us return back to the topic of 'Indian Interest in Baluchistan'. Anything that leads us away from this topic is diversion and we should avoid that.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 15:37 #
amin1924
member

AsifK,

I understand that Baloch leaders -especially bugti- have been demanding gas royalty for balochistan from the federation, but how is that royalty then distributed in balochistan? I mean who gets what?

Why bugtis are in conflict with federation due to royalty arrears? I mean yes the federation will give royalty to province but where will it go from province?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 15:58 #
Anonymous

@JJ Khan

On the basis of my personal knowledge, I feel that Royalty is paid to the government of Balochistan and is budgeted. Whereas the case of payment to Akbar Bugti pertains to compensation for the land of Bugti tribe acquired by the government.

The land from where gas was discovered is known as Sui and that belonged to Bugti tribe. The government took possession of certain area of land to build control & distribution system and worked out a formula to compensate Bugtis for the land taken by the government.

Two or three years before the death of Akbar Bugti, the government reduced or stopped the amount that was being paid to Akbar Bugti on the pretext that government has lesser area in their control than for which the amount is being paid (may be due to political reasons). An inquiry in the matter was initiated.

The findings of the inquiry committee were that instead the land in the control of the government was more than for what it was paying to Akbar Bugti in the past. To this Akbar Bugti not only claimed that the amount paid should be increased with arrears to be paid from the back date. This infuriated the government as it was not inclined to pay any more to Akbar Bugti.

This added fuel to already existing political differences between the government and the Bugti tribe and what happened later is known to every one.

The demand for gas royalty (by all the Baluchi leaders) had been a political issue of the province but the demand for compensating Bugtis for the land acquired by the government is different issue.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 19:58 #
SufiSoul
Member

In todays news paper Gen Hameed Gul has said that America wants Balouchistan(Pakistani,Irani province)and seestan(Irani) to form as a new country.
This is new development abt Balouchistan.
Here US and Indian Interest is the same abt Balouchistan.US is playing Indirectly through INdia to separate Balouchistan.
This is fact that Balouchs remained deprived of Major resources share they have.So its time to wake up against our common enemies.
But the point is our govt is allowing US to penetrate near sensitive areas.
This is security risk and Bad practice.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 20:10 #
shriq
Member

I have seen US and China having a cold (sort of) war in Sudan where oil & gas discoveries are not very old. Now in Baluchistan, the China has very obvious interest - passage for its goods to Arabian sea. This when operational would be a great boost for the Chinese economy. This is what US does not like. China has been (good) friend of Pakistan for this passage to the warm waters. This friendship has been there since late fifty's. US at that time must have planned to stop China. Now India also would not like, an easy trade passage for China to the Arabian Sea. This is not in the strategic interests of India, as due to China's own interst, it would (and is) help Pakistan militarily (again what India would not like).

The unrest in this part of Pakistan can be due to this reason. I am afraid Baluchistan might become the battle ground for these powers.

Pakistan must not allow this to happen. But can we expect any reasonable behaviour or action from our governments?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 20:33 #
Anonymous

@sufisoul

I am confident that no one can grab Balochistan, till the time the Baluchis themselves do not want it to happen. Unfortunately, the situation in Balochistan is worsening. We Pakistanis are either not aware of the changes taking place there or do not want to know it and to blame outsiders of our muddle.

Our government needs to tackle the issue immediately and wisely to counter any foreign countries interests in Balochistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 22:17 #
semirza
Moderator

@bebus
You have missed the whole point. What I have pasted along with a link is an open letter from B.Ramon, X-RAW top knob writing about Indian Interest/activities in Baluchistan a province of Pakistan and none of India's concern in any way.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 Sep 2009 22:25 #
AsifK
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Mirza Sahib
'
We do not agree with you on the royalty point. Where ever you are correct will will agree. Members, lets us return back to the topic of 'Indian Interest in Baluchistan'. Anything that leads us away from this topic is diversion and we should avoid that.
'

First of all u shouldn't be using the word 'WE' and if u still want to use it , u should be explicit in telling that who is included in 'WE'.

Now , coming to some facts . Here are some of links which elborate my point. The second link is to the constituion of Pakistan.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=193966

http://www.paksearch.com/Government/LAWS/CONSTITUTION/COPVI.html

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42555&Itemid=124

If u read the article 161 subarticle 1 which reads .

'
161. Natural gas and hydro-electric power.
(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of Article 78 the net proceeds of the Federal duty of excise on natural gas levied at well-head and collected by the Federal Government, and of the royalty collected by the Federal Government, shall not form part of the Federal Consolidated Fund and shall be paid to the Province in which the well-head of natural gas is situated.

'

I think its sufficient to prove that royalty is paid to province and not an individual.

Now , coming to amount of royalties. The third link is balochistan budget overview.

IN that
Surcharge on Gas 3,735.819

Excise Duty and Royalty on Gas 4,500.591

It again proves that gas royalty is paid to provincial govt and amount is much more than any figure that has some of my colleuage has mentioned at 4m$ paid to Mr.Bugti.

Now , Mriza Sahib ,its upto u that u come up with something solid and tell that what u dont' agree.

And please don't delete it stating that its offtopic. Its complettely relevant becaz its (Exploitation of Balochs by Pakistan ) the root caz of fuss created in Balochistan . We can't hide our misdeeds by putting blames on India or US or ----.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 1:09 #
shriq
Member

@AsifK,

(Exploitation of Balochs by Pakistan ).

What do you mean by Pakistan here? Why you are separating Baluchis from Pakistan?

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 1:45 #
AsifK
Members

shriq

The federation of Pakistan has been stealing (not paying them royalty which federation pledged under the constituion) the natural resources of Balochistan which are owned by balochis.

This is what i mean.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 2:08 #
amin1924
member

Bebus,

Thanks bebus, your explanation makes sense.

Asifk,

I think you are right, I tried to understand this process by reading few things here and there and came to same conclusion as you have elaborated.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 3:32 #
shriq
Member

Asifk,

What body comprises this "federation of Pakistan"?

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 11:16 #
semirza
Moderator

@ALL
I can and will use 'we' collectively as the concern is India here, the real subject. I believe once before I had tried to remind you is not the details of royalties being paid or not but 'Indian Interest in Baluchistan' till Baluchistan is part of Pakistan no more.

But than again you insist on being offtopic while keeping your posts on the royalties issue.I would have been much happier if you could have identified how India could achieve its goal and what way we can counter it!

Only Pakistanis can realize the true face of India and its henious designs towards Pakistan such as the one of dismembering Pakistan once again - the actual topic being discussed here.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 11:36 #
amin1924
member

India alone, I mean without help of US or UK can not do much.

Baloch sardars still enjoy close british relationship like that of colonial days.

There is game going on in between china/us/uk while pak/india have status of satellite states.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 11:53 #
Anonymous

@semirza

Sir,

We cannot discuss ‘Indian or any other country’s interest in Balochistan’ in isolation. It is essential to discuss the existing problems in Balochistan to ascertain as to why voices of independence are being raised from there which ultimately invite intervention by unfriendly nations like India. Therefore, to call the discussion on the problems of Balochistan as ‘off topic’ shall not be wise.

India could achieve its goal to dismantle Pakistan again, in the same way as it did by obtaining the support of Bengalis in East Pakistan by exploiting excesses done to the people there. Had we not done excesses with the people of East Pakistan and given them their due rights, it would not have been possible for India to exploit the situation to dismantle Pakistan.

Similarly, we need to give due rights and privileges to the people of Balochistan so that they do not look for help elsewhere to obtain the same.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 13:34 #
semirza
Moderator

Okay, I agree to your argument but if secondary issues should not take over the main, and that is the topic itself. Pls go ahead. I am no body to be a hurdle to a disscussion that is going on very fine.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 13:55 #
Anonymous

Thanks, mirza Sahib.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 14:04 #
nadirshah113
Member

@AsifK
I think u r very close relative of akbar bugti as bugti was as against Pakistan as you seems to be..if today the problem of royalties is solved still these sardars wont accept pakistan n so will u, these people will always hatch hatred against pakistan no matter wat..so its not about rights or royalties or concern for the people of balochistan BUT "SARDARI NIZAM" which these sardars are standing for..

If balochistan were to be part of india these sardars wudnt had anything right now as india doesnt allow feudalism in its states, BUT india morally supports feudals of pakistan, this provides proofs of indian involvement & a big question mark on credbility of these sardars..

Akbar bugti was taking huge amounts of money from oil companies whether as royalty or land ownership, but what have he done in his own capacity for his people..just kept them ignorant so that they follow him like fools n never question him for his cruelty against them..Imran khan not as wealthy or influential as bugti, built a standard college /university, a world standard cancer hospital, but tell me what have bugti or for that matter any other sardar done for there poor depreived people..
These sardars never wants their people to prosper or progress as this will end there status which they dont want to giveup..

@Asif K
go n fool your illiterate bugtis, people here at this forum dont have any sympathies for those sardars who challenges govt writ, n deprive people of their land of there basic rights of freedom n education, n works against federation of pakistan.

I think poor people of balochistan will progress in a very short period of time if these sardars leave them alone..
i support every action by the govt against these sardars.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 15:50 #
shriq
Member

bebus, asifk

their rights should not be denied. Fine! But it is not only Baluchistan where rights of common man are being denied, all provinces are like that. So there is something additional to that in Baluchistan. This is some interests of sardars and external powers (including USA and India) that is playing its part in Baluchistan.

Pakistanis should be careful when stating Pakistan or Federation of Pakistan is not giving Baluchistan its rights. This would not relieve their pain, but would help the propaganda of those powers that want breakup of Pakistan.
It is one segment of powerful people that exploit everyone's right. It is not that they have allowed development to one part and denied the other. They simply take care of their own rights, their own swiss accounts. This greedy segment usurps the rights of all, they are the brown sabs created by the British system of Civil Service which was best suited to the slavery system for controlling Indian slaves by British Raj. But this system did not change even after independence. This segment still takes us (the common men) as slaves and treat us like this. They dont differentiate between Punjabi or Non-Punjabi.

So please be careful when you simply point to Punjab or federation of Pakistan. I think you are not helping Pakistan when you say that.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 16:02 #
Anonymous

@shriq

Dear friend. I do not need your advice as stated in the last para of your comment.

However, you have all the rights to express your point of view.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 16:19 #
AsifK
Members

semirza

U r insisting on discussing an issue without looking at the core cause declaring it off topic. Thats ridiculous.

HOw can we blame indian ? Its not india which has deperived baloch's rights , its the federation of pakistan which is not following its own contract which forms the basis of Pakistan. So , how can we blame indian for this issue ?

Bahi meeray , if india wanted to dismember pakistan , there was no way out for pakistan on dec 16, 1971. But ,lets accept that india has never attacked pakistan. ITs ARMY which has captured the country multiple times not india.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 18:41 #
AsifK
Members

nshah

I m a punjabi , born in lahore , brought up & educated in lahore and now living in australia. Not even a distant link to balochistan or bugti.

Mate , instead of cursing me or Akbar bugti , come up with counter argument. I have given reference to Pakistani constiution .If its not implementable then where does federation of Pakistan exists ? And why should it at all ? Constituion is the contract between the masses and the state and if state uni-laterally decides not to implement it / revoke it , then masses can't be blamed.

'
@Asif K
go n fool your illiterate bugtis, people here at this forum dont have any sympathies for those sardars
'

I can gadge the level of knowledge so suggest u to read the constituion of 'NA Islamic Na Republic Pakistan' .

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 18:46 #
AsifK
Members

shriq

Bahi meeray , if by hiding the head in the sand , storm can be averted , i m more than happy to that.

If i have mis-stated the facts , then u can say that i m doing propoganda or becoming part of propoganda. We need to tell the truth , face the truth and work for truth to prevail.

My interest is not with any country but masses of this region. If masses welfare takes place after changing geography, no worries.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 18:50 #
semirza
Moderator

@ALL
The 'open letter by B.Ramon' who was a RAW top knob is being discussed.
The contents of the letter are about Baluchistan that is a Pakistani province and not of India.
What interest India has in Balochistan is the question!

@AsifK
If you think that our discussion is ridiculous and you are unable to contibute to the discussion staying within the confines of the thread topic, than it is up to you. You are free to focus your intellectual energies somewhere else on the forum. Leave the others on track!

In addition do not generalize about PAK Army by saying it the way you have said it. it is not the army that is the topic so no need to bring this in. No further offtopic discussions.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 19:02 #
shriq
Member

Indian interest in Baluchistan! Apart from barring an easy passage for China to Arabian Sea, India makes it a case to fight Pakistan at each front. I shall give you another example. One of my teacher told us in a class, that he went to Iran on a deputation in seventies, he was appointed in Tehran. While strolling on the roads of Iran, he once noticed a very big poster on the gate of Indian embassy. It was eye catching, he read it. It was a comparison of question papers of Indian and Pakistani Universities. Details beside, at the end it was tried to prove that Indian engineers have better academic capability than Pakistani engineers.

There are other examples, but I dont want to waste time in it. My point is that they dont let any opportunity go whereby they can defeat, belittle, isolate Pakistan.

So Baluchistan is another such opportunity. They would definitely want to avail it.

@Asifk,

Happy eid to all my Pakistani fellows in Australia. My friend, I have no doubt that rights of Baluchis are being denied. But please read my post again. Is it only the Baluchis? When you were in Lahore, you never noticed any poor people deprived of basic amenities, sick of pollution, living in slums or you never happened to come out of your defence bungalow? My point is that ALL Pakistanis are the victim of this exploitation. Dont blame Pakistan, blame that exploiting segment, I AM WITH YOU ON THAT. Believe me.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 20:19 #
Anonymous

@shriq

Dear friend. If you don’t mind, let me say that you are right when you say

“their rights should not be denied. Fine! But it is not only Baluchistan where rights of common man are being denied”

There is some difference.

The denial of rights to the province of Balochistan was made by all the federal governments that remained in power.

The denial of rights to the poor communities of all the provinces was/is not made by the federal governments but by the local administration.

I hope you will understand the difference between denial of rights to ‘common man’ and the ‘province as a whole’. It is also true that within the province of Balochistan, being a deprived province, additional deprivation is meted out to common man there(like in all other provinces), by those who are in the category of influential.

There is no harm to diagnose the problem with us otherwise we won’t be able to rectify our dilemma. And by fixing our dilemma we can collectively and effectively counter bad intentions of India or any other hostile country.

Posted 2 years ago on 18 Sep 2009 22:01 #
shriq
Member

bebus,

I agree with your comments with one addition:

The denial of rights to the province of Balochistan (and all other provinces) was made by all the federal governments that remained in power.

bebus,
Tell me one thing, which province they have spared?. I need an honest answer please!

Why I am resisting this? Actually to me it seems that we (the Pakistanis) unknowingly are trying to instill in the minds of Baluchis that yes other Pakistanis hate you and your rights are usurped by all others (the federation of Pakistan). So (to me) it seems that you are not alleviating their pain, but making their belief firm that it is federation of Pakistan the main culprit behind their miseries. So they would think that they are alone and the only solution to their problems is breaking away from Pakistan. Now if they are assured that it is one group of people (who by their unwritten agenda do all this injustice to ALL in Pakistan, and this group may include their own sardars as well) then they would try to find friends in other parts of the country to make a single force to topple this group. (I hope we do this real soon).

Semirza dont edit or cut the following sentence. It is not irrelevant(request only):
Bengalis were not inflicted because they were Bengalis, (non-Maghrabi Pakistanians), the people who usurped their part of the revenew DID NOT spend on the common man in West Pakistan. Or did they?

Similarly, I agree that royalty to Baluchistan must be given for gas, but is this looted amount being spent for the welfare of the common man of Punjab or Sind or NWFP?

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Sep 2009 2:08 #
nadirshah113
Member

@AsifK
I have given reference to Pakistani constiution .If its not implementable then where does federation of Pakistan exists ? And why should it at all ? Constituion is the contract between the masses and the state and if state uni-laterally decides not to implement it / revoke it , then masses can't be blamed

Now sir plz also tell me who is the state n who r masses, as u seem to expert in law..n also tell me who has deprived balochs of their basics rights, the state, the masses or the constitution of PAKISTAN..i have very limited knowledge so plz elucidate me on this.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Sep 2009 3:12 #
Anonymous

Shriq

Dear friend. I am of the view that the distribution of funds for the provinces is not made on merit. A lot of lobbying and personal contacts play an important role in release of funds to the provinces. Having a very weak lobby and contacts, the representatives of the province of Balochistan always remain skeptical on the issue.

It is an established fact that the province of Balochistan had not been given their due share. If one denies this, this gives message to the people of Balochistan that are alone and being treated as second class citizens. To reduce the deprivation of Balochistanis we must recognize the excesses made to them and provide them support to make them understand that we are with them in their struggle to get their due share and rights. This will also give them message that they are not alone. Conspiracies of separation and interference by unfriendly nations can well be tackled our approach to the people of Balochistan by making them believe that we are their well-wishers and that we all must play our role to make Pakistan strong and prosperous.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Sep 2009 10:51 #
shriq
Member

bebus,

I agrree to what ever you said now in this last post.

We all Pakistanis must ensure them that we are with them (fighting the same culprit that does not care about a single common man in Pakistan) and wont leave them when they are distressed. They are our brothers.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Sep 2009 10:56 #
shriq
Member

People who think that Punjabi based army has been usurping the rights of Bengalis, should see the following links that prove that even after independence, my poor friends in Bengals are living in the same conditions.

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2006

The link above shows the corruption level (NOW)in Bangladesh is at 156th position in the world. Now there is no Punjabi based army or government!!

See the link below for comparison of economies:

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/0,,pagePK:158889~piPK:146815~theSitePK:223547,00.html

See the following link for comparison of per capita income:

http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

Do you see ANY role of Punjabi based army there now.

And for army’s “MAZALIMS” on Bengalis read page 57 (page 64 of the printed book) of the book in this link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2413176/May-nay-Dhaka-doptay-daykha

My point still is that it is not Punjabis or federation of Pakistan that is responsible for the plight of Bengal, or Sind or Baluchistan. It is the corrupt in every society that do this. Common enemy of all of us. Let’s fight this common enemy.

They were responsible for plight of Bengal (and still are), they are responsible for exploitation of Muhajirs, Baluchis and Punjabis.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Sep 2009 14:53 #
AsifK
Members

Shriq , there are some fundamental differences which u have ignored while generalizing the fact that everyone is being exploited in Pakistan or third world country.

I would quote Javed Hashami that in 1977 when PNA movement was in full swing , he was in jail alongside Akbar Bugti . ARMY was called to handle situation in Karachi / Hyderabad where it opened firing. Akbar bugti commented , it was not punjab. Next day / a few days after , army was called to Lahore as well and Javed Hasmi says that he said to bugti , 'Hoon khush hoo'. Akbar bugti replied, 'wait' . And now its part of history that same army refused to open fire in lahore.

I think , i read it in one of Javed Hashmi's book.

Now, coming to what u bengladesh , thats very correct as u have given references which i can't challenge. But , at the smae time bother to do a bit of research on Human Development Indices of Bengladesh in 1971 and now. That will tell u the real story.

Also please read the documenations of 50's of 60's about the allocation of funds between East and West Pakistan. East Pakistan /Bengalis didn't earn to pay for misadventures of Punjabi/ARMY establishments.

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Sep 2009 5:41 #
shriq
Member

I have not disagreed to the revenew allocation looting by corrupt and agree that more than deserved was allocated to this part of the then Pakistan.

BUT.

You are ignoring my basic and very necessary question.

How much of that revenew was spent on common man of Punjab? Or has that looted revenew only been used for perks, privileges or to fill accounts of corrupt in those days?

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Sep 2009 8:35 #
AsifK
Members

Shriq,

Punjab kaay common admi ko milta haai yaa nahi, balooch kaay moonsh say niwala tu punjabi cheenta haai naa.

Just to give u an example, when there is a shortage of wheat, the first thing punjab does is , imposing restriction on inter-provincial movement resulting in suffering of other pronvicne masses. NOw, Gas is producted in BAlochistan , and its inhabitants don't get it , neither they get price for it , what should they do ? Going for the same logic, they showld blow up the pipelines.

NOw, these days punjab govt is spending billions of rupees on subsidizing wheat /flour in punjab. HOw punjab has got money and other provinces like balochistan has not ? Bahi , its blood of other pronvices on which punjab is living.

Now , if corruption is being done in Bangladesh , its at least bengalis not some colonial power like british or punjabis. I m not right ?

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Sep 2009 14:51 #
semirza
Moderator

Qadirpur gasfield at Ghotki is giving 14 per cent of the total fuel production in the country.

Gasfields spread over vast areas in Sanghar, Badin, Dadu, Ghotki and Khairpur districts are producing billions of metric cubic feet of gas, making a great contribution to the national pipeline.

Sindh has replaced Balochistan as Energy province of Pakistan.

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/sind-produces-70-percent-of-gas

Punjab since ages is a major food producer. Because of its location, available water resources and fertile land as comparable to Baluchistan, agricultural was and is dominant. Prosperity in food resources attracts other related industries. Punjab is also the most populated province by virtue and not by any fault of its own therefore its contribution towards national affairs such as the army is normal and should not be scorned at.

Now Sindh has replaced Baluchistan in Oil and Gas production what Baluchistan was once, although Baluchistan is blessed with numerous other resources yet to be explored and utilized.
The centre and not only Punjab alone, should review their future policies towards the lackings of Baluchistan and ignore them not any more. Although the tribal framework and feudal mentality has much to do in holding Baluchistan backwards but this also remains somehow an issue for the central government to tackle and address working towards the benifit of Baluch awam in Baluchistan province.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Sep 2009 0:20 #
AsifK
Members

semirza

'
Although the tribal framework and feudal mentality has much to do in holding Baluchistan backwards but this also remains somehow an issue for the central government to tackle and address working towards the benifit of Baluch awam in Baluchistan province.
'

Is it tribal framework and feudal mentaility which has been stealing gas from balochistan for last 50 years ?

Pakistan federation can invest in building gas fields and all the stuff to exploit resources , can establish military cantonments but can't invest in schools , can't invest in hospitals. There feudals block them. :)

Punjab produces food, very right , but gets market price for its commodity and agriculture income is non-taxable. right ? Please also tell taht who the electricity is produced to run the industry ? From where does teh fuel come?

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Sep 2009 6:57 #
semirza
Moderator

@AsifK
What you are pointing at like 'Punjab produces food, very right , but gets market price for its commodity' can be explained in way that all who get elected on promises of ridding us of such vices fall prey collectively to the same when they form central/provincial governments of past and present.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Sep 2009 7:02 #
AsifK
Members

I think instead of bashsing the elected people (none of which was allowed to server its tenure by ARMY') , we need to focus on real culprits.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Sep 2009 8:19 #
Beenai
Moderator

the role of our politicians and army establishment in the course of history is too complex and strings are too tightly closed ...that we even with hard efforts ...wont be able to distinguish between the two.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Sep 2009 7:08 #
shriq
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Now I am going to be off-topic here:

Asifk here has raised a very important point. Not a single elected government has been allowed to complete its term after Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
To me this seems to be a part of the understanding between politicians, army and beaurocrats that no government shall complete its term so that "awam" shall not be able to ask the people at the helm of affairs about any issues and the solution to their problems. (kisi ka graiban naheen pakar sakain ge) "We were on the track to solve the problems of the people but GHASIB did not allow us to do that".

Due to newly found blessing (or otherwise) of media in Pakistan, we are able to see the selfishness, stupidities and lies of these people at the top. Hardly any incidence goes unnoticed now by historians (with the help of media). But only a few years back from now all this was not possible. People would know the corruption of the ousted governments by the white paper published by succeeding governments (or campaign in limited state controlled media).

Posted 2 years ago on 25 Sep 2009 8:17 #