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Indo-Pak Families - We need both

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  1. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    Yes. I wanted to speak out on this, to the world.
    I have been speaking to myself for the past 17 years.
    Not a single day, i have gone to bed without speaking to myself on this, in the past 17 years.
    I could not find an answer.
    I have been asking God to give me an answer. I still hope, He will not let me down.
    Now, i will speak out on this, to the world.
    I am sure, i am not alone.
    Like me, thousands are waiting to speak.
    I will speak on their behalf.
    I will tell my story, to the world.

    It was a typical arranged marriage. Her Indian grand mother living in our neighbourhood, one day in 1991, brought her Pakistani grand daughter's photograph to my home, showed my parents and proposed the alliance. My parents gave me the photograph and looked for my response. I liked. I never bothered, whether she will like me or not but took it for granted that she is going to like me, in my photograph. My photograph and message went back to her parents, living in a Gulf country. The strange photo chemistry worked. They all came, except the girl, we all liked each other and finally the marriage was held in that Gulf country, registered in the court and we were legally declared and registered on our respective passports by our embassies as husband and wife.

    Little we realised that there are unwritten taboos between India and Pakistan.
    Little we realised that we can NOT simply assume that we are just humanbeings, created by God.
    Little we realised that we can not simplify things. We can not take things for granted.
    Little we realised that we are breaking the "holy code of conduct" written on our behalf by Jinnah, Gandhi and Nehru.
    Little we realsied that we belong to born enemies.
    Little we realised that we are supposed to hate each other.
    Little we realised that there is an invisible wall, greater than the great wall of China and mightier than the mightiest is standing between us.

    Since then we are living in Gulf. In the past 17 years, I have never visited Pakistan. She had visited my home in India, just 2 times in the past 17 years. The fear of the "unknown" is haunting us.

    I wonder how many readers of this sad story, have Hindu/Muslim/Sikh families across the border?. How many of them have found their spouse or sweet heart across the border? Can they understand the anguish and pain of such divided hearts and millions of divided families?.

    We are told that there can only be either black or white. Every one says that India and Pakistan are like south pole and north pole. But, we can NOT choose one over the other. We love both and we need both. The "better half" of us, is holding either an Indian or Pakistani identity. In my case, my children hold Indian identity. We love our nation and will NEVER giveup this identity. But we can NOT hate each other's homeland, as expected by our homeland.

    We have all the greatest icons of love. Taj Mahal, Laila-Majnu and what not?. But in reality, we prefer to watch them from a distance. We are living in the non existing Indo-Pak world, which REALLY existed before 1947. We are a living anachronism. We are living Veer-Zara's.

    We are a living tragedy, no one wants to listen or talk about including our own selves.

    But i have one answer. If i were reborn and God gives me another chance to decide, I WILL DO IT AGAIN.

    Will she do it again...?. I do not want to ask.
    My advice to others - NEVER do it.

    I do not know, what others think about me?.
    I do not know, what my friends think about me?.
    I do not know, what my NATION thinks about me?.
    I do not know, what my mom, brother, sisters and relatives think about me?
    I do not know, what my wife, who trusted me, thinks about me?
    I do not know, what my children will think about me?
    I do not know, what YOU think about me?

    For some strange reason, i feel very light today.
    I think, i can sleep well today.
    Even i can CRY well today.

    What is our crime?. Do we have a place on this earth to live ?.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Feb 2009 8:45 #
  2. hussainmehdi
    Member

    the families of those britons, who migrated hundreds of years ago from england to usa, what is the behavior of those british families in usa today???

    g.m.syed, his family migrated hundreds of years ago from arabistan and settled in sindh, what is the behavior of g.m.syed's family in sindh today?

    yousuf raza gilani, his family migrated from iran hundreds of years ago and settled in punjab, what is the behavior of gilani family today in pakistan?

    there are thousands of examples like that.

    in light of above, terrorist altaf's logic about divided families is not positive but it serves bharti interests and destroys pakistani interests.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Feb 2009 9:00 #
  3. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    "....migrated hundreds of years ago.....".

    1. There was NO Pakistan 100's of years ago. It was created on August 14, 1947. Know your nation better and read the right history.

    2. Britons migrated to usa..?. Then why Pakistanis migrate to everywhere?.

    2. One should read the article again and try to understand what is it all about?. Nobody is asking for migration to Pakistan from India...?. Unthinkable...

    It seems you don't like anyone inside your nation. You don't like anyone outside your nation. Do you know, why nobody wants to do any business with Pakistan?.

    No wonder...Pakistan needs no enemy.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 1:51 #
  4. expakistani
    Member

    @hussainmehdi

    I migrated to USA in 95, if i go by your logic.... after 61 yrs I am not going to have any feelings about People of Pakistan who are suffering, my extended family members who ask for help once in while in hard financial times they will stop asking for help bcz I am gone from Pakistan for
    61 yrs?
    and just ignore the donation appeals from Abdul Sattar Edhi
    and Imran Khan during Ramazan?

    wow you are one smart guy.....

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 2:16 #
  5. @R.Alamsha,
    across the borders many families r like that.
    my both parents belongs to UP India .
    after migration ..they never got a chance or have financial support to go there ever...
    my Mom was 13 when she came from India ...she died last month at 65...and her sister in india saw her last when she was 13 and leaving india.
    i feel sorry for my Mom and ppl like her ...who never got a chance to meet their loved ones across the border.

    but at the same time...
    i am thankful to my Allah to have given me a separate piece of land of my own .
    i LOVE PAKISTAN ...
    and anyone who wants to destroy or hurt it ...
    i have a very natural feeling to not to like him /her.
    simply....
    as a born Pakistani ..i dont like the adventurous neighbour of mine ...who wants to destroy us and always in a quest for doing so....
    thanks

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 5:49 #
  6. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    @Beenai

    "...who wants to destroy us and always in a quest for doing so...."

    As of today, Pakistan has proved beyond doubt that nobody can touch even an inch of Pakistan....Pakistan is the only Muslim nation which has attained this capability and is emerging as a hero in the Muslim world...Congratulations.

    What next?. I have similar stories in my family also, who got seperated post partiton. We all know that millons of Muslim, Hindu, Kashmiri and Sikh families want to meet their loved ones across the border.

    While every one talks about cross border terror, thousands of people like me are caught in cross border love and marriage. We love both the nations and we are proud of our respective nationality. We respect each other's nationality but will never giveup our individual nationality.

    The challenge is, can i take my family back to my home in India and live peacefully with my Pakistani wife?. You can always say that this question should be answered by the Indian government and it is the responsibility of the Indian government to protect a foreign national. Well, it's all too good in paper but in reality it's a nightmare. Leave alone moving back to India with my family, even a visit is no more a pleasant experience for Pakistani nationals, these days.

    Is there a solution?. Let us be realistic.

    Both the nations must stop rubbing the salt on their own partition wounds. Just forget 1947.
    Both must accept the reality that war is no more an option between each other and ruled out.
    Respect each other's sovereignity and implement genuine bilateral mechanism, which will allow divided families and Indo-Pak undivided families to meet each other and live a normal life in India or Pakistan like any other nationals.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 10:52 #
  7. @R.Alamsha,
    i have a very close relative...who has got married with his cousin living in india.
    they went india...and Nikah was done in india .
    they r back with an indian bride or Bahu.
    now she is our Bhabi...
    nobody even now remember that she is an indian national actually...
    its been 10 and so years .
    she frequently goes and visit india to meet her parents too.
    so in that case ...
    i can say...atleast on my part of the border.
    we accept indian Bahus .
    what about India?

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 12:05 #
  8. hussainmehdi
    Member

    during 1970 to jan 2009,

    how many bhartis have migrated from bharat to pakistan ???

    and,

    how many pakistanis have migrated from pakistan to bharat ???

    do you have any figure or statement???

    go, and ask govt of pakistan to provide these details.

    Posted 3 years ago on 20 Feb 2009 15:25 #
  9. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    @Beenai

    You are absolutely right and i agree 100% that Pakistani people and the government has a much bigger heart than on my side. I know more than 100 Pakistani families in Gulf and they have given me always special care and have showered me with lots of love and respect. They have always mentioned that "Aap hamare dhamaad hain".

    I have to admit that, my wife NEVER got such a treatment and not a single Indian ever mentioned that "Aap hamare bhabi/bahu hain".

    I know a few Hindu and Muslim families married and settled in Pakistan and they never had any such problem. Even otherwise, most of the Pakistanis i have met in gulf give a lot of respect for Indian professionals and admire them genuinely even in Pakistani gatherings. Last month, i attanded a marriage reception of our Pakistani family friend in Dubai and when i entered the ball room, i heard the Indian music playing in the background with the lyrics

    "Phir bhi dil hai, Hindusthani...." and a group of Pakistani children were dancing and the guests were clapping and enjoying the music.

    I was just dumpfound and said to myself that these people have really a very big heart.

    Honestly, now my wife doesn't even want to visit India because she is scared. She says, why should i spend my hard earned money and spend my vacation in a country which doesn't want me to visit?. It was a loud slap on my face.

    I know that nothing will change and miracles will not happen overnight. But, i have a strange feeling that Pakistani government is capable of proposing a solution for such "undivided and indivisible" families who have to live together either in India or Pakistan, without any threat or harassment.

    I feel, this will be a key step in bringing down the mutual distrust.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Feb 2009 3:02 #
  10. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    @hussainmehdi

    "during 1970 to jan 2009...."

    What is so special about this period and why should any Indian or Pakistani migrate across the border, when there are better countries to migrate?.

    Have you travelled outside Pakistan, especially Europe/UK/US, and experienced the response of Immmigration?. Do you know, what these people think about Pakistan?. Do you know why?.

    go, and ask govt of pakistan to provide these details.

    BTW, What's your age and what are you doing?. You sound like an angry young man/child. Just cool down and India is NOT a demon waiting to eat you.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Feb 2009 3:13 #
  11. hussainmehdi
    Member

    in most cases, govts of both countries bharat and pakistan, have been unjust to their people.

    for example:

    govt of bharat with sikhs,
    govt of pakistan with fata and nwfp areas,

    both govts and their set up is not hundred percent favorable for the people of the area.

    so, both govts some times play a role of demon for their own people.

    i didn't raise the question of migration wef:1970 to jan 2009 in the pretext of demon.

    if, people of the region like demons to eat them, then who am i to object on them.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Feb 2009 11:39 #
  12. R.Alamsha Karnan
    Member

    @hussainmehdi
    "if, people of the region like demons to eat them, then who am i to object on them".

    That was a very good one and i burst into laughing. I have to admit that you got a very good sense of humour.

    You have won... I give up.

    Please keep talking.

    Posted 3 years ago on 21 Feb 2009 13:18 #

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