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Insanity: US "suspends" unused aid shunned by Pakistan Military

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  1. Insanity: US ‘suspends’ unused aid shunned by Pakistan military
    Posted on 11 July 2011.

    Washington and Rawalpindi have to step back from the abyss.

    US newspapers are proclaiming that the US is withholding the aid to Pakistan. The New York Times at the end of the report says that the withheld aid is the aid that was not used by the the Pakistan military. So who stopped the aid and who withheld it?

    ◦The U.S. is withholding about $800 million in military aid to Pakistan over actions by the nuclear- armed country since the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, said White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley.
    ◦Daley, interviewed on ABC’s “This Week,” suggested the decision to suspend military aid resulted from the increasing estrangement between the U.S. and Pakistan.
    ◦The report said some of the money represented equipment that can’t be set up for training because Pakistan won’t give visas to the trainers. About $300 million was intended to reimburse Pakistan for the cost of deploying 100,000 troops along the Afghan border, the newspaper said.
    ◦A senior U.S. official confirmed that the suspension came in response to the Pakistani army’s decision to significantly reduce the number of visas for U.S. military trainers.
    ◦ if billions in U.S. financial aid didn’t change the behavior of the Pakistan military, then withdrawing it probably wouldn’t either. The shift in the administration’s policy was prompted by recent tensions, he said. But it also grew out of the U.S. decision to begin withdrawing troops from Afghanistan.
    ◦Pakistan will shift its policies in order to restore U.S. military aid
    Essentially the suspension will hurt the US in the short run. $300 million is part of the reimbursement given to the Pakistani military for the operations. If this reimbursement is suspended Pakistan may decide to withdraw those forces jeopardizing the US operations in Afghanistan.

    The US has already thought of the moves and counter moves–the Pakistanis seem to have played out the scenarios….hence the speed at building the plutonium based systems.

    The relations are deteriorating at a speed that was not anticipated. There are a few factors that are taking them in the direction that may be detrimental to both countries. Iran, China and Russia are playing a role, and Suadi Arabia and the UAE is always in the background.

    In this game of brinkmanship, the Obama Administration may have painted itself into a corner. It took the US Administration to recognize the futility of the sanctions imposed by one of the greatest blunders of US foreign policy. The Pressler Amendment was a colossal failure. Today that same type of blunder is being repeated. The current crop of Pakistani officers are a blowback from the Pressler. The blow-back from the current sanctions will be apparent in a few years.

    US is supposed to win the hearts and minds of Pakistanis. This suspension will create the exact opposite.

    Both countries need to take a step back and and think about this rationally. This is getting out of hand.

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=37345&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RupeeNews+%28Rupee+News%29

    Posted 10 months ago on 11 Jul 2011 20:50 #
  2. spruce
    Member

    excellent article and nice move and good news for pakistan.

    let yankees go away into hell fire.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pakistan-asks-afghanistan-to-distance-itself-from-united-states-afghan-officials-say/2011/04/25/AFHHUmyE_story.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 11 Jul 2011 21:27 #
  3. I applaud your verve, Irshad, and back your sentiment.

    Posted 10 months ago on 11 Jul 2011 21:30 #
  4. spruce
    Member

    The U.S.-Pakistan relationship has long been volatile, but recent weeks have witnessed an unprecedented level of open discord between the two countries.

    No state wants its territory to be a hunting ground for covert foreign operatives. Still, the fulminations of some in Pakistan omit critical context. The Pakistani state's ambivalent attitude towards extremist groups -- acting against some while tolerating or supporting others -- has forced the United States to take proactive action. The rights of sovereignty also come with duties: if Pakistan is indulgent of or incapable of acting against anti-American terrorist groups, then foreign preventive counterterrorism should be assessed more soberly by Pakistanis.

    To complicate matters further, elements in Pakistan's security establishment have deliberately stoked public sentiment. Extensive leaks to the Pakistani press about the government's demands to the United States hint at a desire to exert pressure on Washington through exploiting populist anger. For the ISI, this diplomatic crisis is a unique opportunity to obtain long desired strategic concessions from the United States. Among other things, the ISI does not want militant groups favored by Islamabad under America's microscope -- especially those perceived to defend Pakistani interests in Afghanistan.

    This is a dangerous strategy. It is premised on the mistaken assumption that the United States is unwilling to increase pressure on Pakistan. If the Pakistani government faces domestic political constraints, this is no less true of the United States. Sentiment in the U.S. Congress is already heavily tilted against Pakistan. If reports about Pakistan's entanglement with extremist groups persist, or in the worst case scenario, an attack on the United States by a Pakistan-based terror group succeeds, Washington will find it difficult to avoid taking harsh actions. Loose talk by some Pakistani politicians about cutting off supply routes to U.S. forces in Afghanistan is similarly self-defeating. It is in Pakistan's long-term interests to prevent an irrevocable rupture with the United States.

    At the same time, Washington should appraise the scope of its direct counterterrorism drive within the broader effort to stabilize Pakistan. According to U.S. officials, the drone campaign has been remarkably successful in weakening militant networks; in private, some Pakistani military and political leaders also acknowledge the program's efficacy. That may be the case, but displays of U.S. coercive force on Pakistani soil -- especially those involving U.S. personnel on the ground -- have also accentuated the most extreme tendencies in that country's public discourse. They have empowered those in Pakistan who maintain that the war on terror is America's war, not Pakistan's struggle, and that the United States has fundamentally hostile aims towards Pakistan.

    Policymakers might shrug their shoulders at conspiracy theories. That would be short-sighted. The fact is that the United States cannot directly extinguish the threat posed by Pakistan-based terrorism. U.S. forces can certainly kill a few extremists through drone strikes or ground operations. But the militant threat is geographically dispersed: not only do insurgent sanctuaries infest the isolated border regions, terrorist networks are also embedded in the heavily populated areas of the Punjabi heartland. Some of these groups have deep roots stretching back decades and enjoy local political cover. Kinetic action by a deeply unpopular foreign power will not uproot them.

    The single most decisive factor in disrupting Pakistani militancy will be the willingness of the state and society to commit to a long-term struggle. Only Pakistan can overcome the jihadi Frankenstein it has spawned through a combination of stepped up military force, political dialogue, and local governance. The impact of U.S. policies on the internal Pakistani debate about militancy should therefore be factored heavily into Washington's policymaking calculus.

    Pakistan is making progress -- however halting or incomplete -- in adopting a more robust anti-militant posture. Since 2009, its military offensives in the tribal areas have degraded insurgent sanctuaries at a heavy price in blood and treasure. Pakistani intelligence has also helped the United States capture numerous high-level al Qaeda operatives. The Obama administration's economic assistance to Pakistan and its diplomatic efforts to stabilize the country's fractious politics have contributed to these advances. Going forward, the core policy challenge is to generate the political will inside Pakistan that will expand these activities. Right now, Washington's ability to do so is vitiated by Pakistani paranoia.

    In the short term, Islamabad and Washington need to negotiate a new counterterrorism relationship. The old strategy of ambiguous private compromise veiled by public dissembling has run its course. Pakistan's legitimate concerns should be weighed against the immediate threat to the American homeland and to U.S. forces in Afghanistan. This is a herculean task given the underlying strategic differences, but the alternative is likely to be much starker.

    http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/26/pakistans_hypocrisy_has_run_its_course_it_needs_a_new_relationship_with_us

    Posted 10 months ago on 11 Jul 2011 21:37 #
  5. Irshad, iinteresting article in that it vehicles all the prevalent clichés of False Flag US. Terror, terrorism, was on terror, repetition ad nauseaum. For me the greatest form of terror began with the unprovoked war which began on Oct. 7, 2001 and which it is still ongoing. All the rest of it sprang from that. So, balderdash, all of it, simply balderdash.

    I very much hope the Pak armed forces have finally realissed where they went wrong and will now fearlessly go down the road of sslf respect and autonomy. With the support of the entire nation.

    Posted 10 months ago on 12 Jul 2011 6:32 #
  6. Don't need U.S. money: Pakistan

    Islamabad, July 11 : Pakistan has said that they do not require foreign aid to combat terror, in clear hit-back to the U.S. decision of withholding funding worth USD 800 million to the Asian nation amid a deteriorating bilateral relationship, that became public on Sunday.

    “Pakistan does not need foreign aid for anti-terror operations. We conducted SWAT and Waziristan operations without any aid,” the DG, Inter-Services Public Relations, told Pakistan media, in a statement.

    The statement came after the U.S. confirmed that it had snipped its military aid to Pakistan following Islamabad's request for a "significant cutback" of American military trainers on its soil.

    “A series of events over the last eight months have affected our bilateral relations. As a result, the Pakistan Army has requested a 'significant cutback' of US military trainers, and limited our ability to obtain visas,” Pentagon spokesman Col Dave Lapan said.

    “While the Pakistani military leadership tells us this is a temporary step, the reduced presence of our trainers and other personnel means we can't deliver the assistance that requires training and support to be effective,” he said.

    First reported by The New York Times, the $800 million aid cut value was later confirmed by White House Chief of Staff Tom Donilon.

    Though troubled throughout its timeline, the U.S.-Pakistan relationship worsened in the recent months especially after the May 2 raid on the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in which al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed by American commandos.

    The covert operation, of which Pakistan was informed only once all troops were out of their airspace, had triggered an angry reaction from the nuclear-armed country even as the U.S. seemed defiant and assured a repeat if the need arose.

    http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-25647.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 12 Jul 2011 10:45 #
  7. aftab arif
    Member

    Before the end of 2011, Pakistan will start working on its stretch of the IP (Iran-Pakistan) gas pipeline - according to Asim Hussain, Pakistan's federal minister for petroleum and natural resources. The 1,092 kilometers of pipeline on the Iranian side are already in place.

    More than 740 million cubic feet of gas per year will start flowing to Pakistan from Iran's giant South Pars field in the Persian Gulf by 2014. This is an immense development in the Pipelineistan "wars" in Eurasia. IP is a major node in the much-vaunted Asian Energy Security Grid - the progressive energy integration of Southwest, South, Central and East Asia that is the ultimate mantra for Eurasian players as diverse as Iran, China, India and the Central Asian "stans".

    Pakistan is an energy-poor, desperate customer of the grid. Becoming an energy transit country is Pakistan's once-in-a-lifetime chance to transition from a near-failed state into an "energy corridor" to Asia and, why not, global markets.

    And as pipelines function as an umbilical cord, the heart of the matter is that IP, and maybe IPI in the future, will do more than any form of US "aid" (or outright interference) to stabilize the Pakistan half of Obama's AfPak theater of operations, and even possibly relieve it of its India obsession.

    Another 'axis of evil'?
    This Pipelineistan development may go a long way to explain why the White House announced this past Sunday it was postponing US$800 million in military aid to Islamabad - more than a third of the annual such largess Pakistan receives from the US.

    The burgeoning Pakistan-bashing industry in Washington may spin this as punishment related to the never-ending saga of Osama bin Laden being sheltered so close to Rawalpindi/Islamabad. But the measure may smack of desperation - and on top it do absolutely nothing to convince the Pakistani army to follow Washington's agenda uncritically.

    On Monday, the US State Department stressed once again that Washington expected Islamabad to do more in counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency - otherwise it would not get its "aid" back. The usual diplomatic doublespeak of "constructive, collaborative, mutually beneficial relationship" remains on show - but that cannot mask the growing mistrust on both sides. The Pakistani military confirmed on the record it had not been warned of the "suspension".

    No less than $300 million of this blocked $800 million is for "American trainers" - that is, the Pentagon's counter-insurgency brigade. Moreover, Islamabad had already asked Washington not to send these people anymore; the fact is their methods are useless to fight the Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked jihadis based in the tribal areas. Not to mention the preferred US method is the killer drone anyway.

    The wall of mistrust is bound to reach Himalaya/Karakoram/Pamir proportions. Washington only sees Pakistan in "war on terror", counter-terrorism terms. Since the coupling of the AfPak combo by the Obama administration, clearly Washington's top war is in Pakistan - not in Afghanistan, which harbors just a handful of al-Qaeda jihadis.

    Most "high-value al-Qaeda targets" are in the tribal areas in Pakistan - and they are, in a curious parallel to the Americans, essentially trainers. As for Afghanistan, it is most of all a neo-colonial North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) war against a Pashtun-majority "national liberation" movement - as Taliban leader Mullah Omar himself defined it.

    Asia Times Online's Saleem Shahzad - murdered in May - argued in his book Inside al-Qaeda and the Taliban (full review coming later this week) that al-Qaeda's master coup over the past few years was to fully relocate to the tribal areas, strengthen the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistani Taliban), and in a nutshell coordinate a massive Pashtun guerrilla war against the Pakistani army and the Americans - as a diversionist tactic. Al-Qaeda's agenda - to export its caliphate-bound ideology to other parts of South and Central Asia - has nothing to do with the Mullah Omar-led Afghan Taliban, who fight to go back to power in Afghanistan.

    Washington for its part wants a "stable" Afghanistan led by a convenient puppet, Hamid Karzai-style - so the holy grail (since the mid-1990s) can be achieved; the construction of IP's rival, the TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) gas pipeline, bypassing "evil" Iran.

    And as far as Pakistan is concerned, Washington wants it to smash the Pashtun guerrillas inside their territory; otherwise the tribal areas will keep being droned to death - literally, with no regard whatsoever to territorial integrity.

    No wonder the wall of mistrust will keep rising, because Islamabad's agenda is not bound to change anytime soon. Pakistan's Afghan policy implies Afghanistan as a vassal state - with a very weak military (what the US calls the Afghan National Force) and especially always unstable, and thus incapable of attacking the real heart of the matter: the Pashtunistan issue.

    For Islamabad, Pashtun nationalism is an existential threat. So the Pakistani army may fight the Tehrik-e-Taliban-style Pashtun guerrillas, but with extreme care; otherwise Pashtuns on both side of the border may unite en masse and make a push to destabilize Islamabad for good.

    On the other had, what Islamabad wants for Afghanistan is the Taliban back in power - just like the good old days of 1996-2001. That's the opposite of what Washington wants; a long-range occupation, preferably via NATO, so the alliance may protect the TAPI pipeline, if it ever gets built. Moreover, for Washington "losing" Afghanistan and its key network of military bases so close to both China and Russia is simply unthinkable - according to the Pentagon's full-spectrum dominance doctrine.

    What's going on at the moment is a complex war of positioning. Pakistan's Afghan policy - which also implies containing Indian influence in Afghanistan - won't change. The Afghan Taliban will keep being encouraged as potential long-term allies - in the name of the unalterable "strategic depth" doctrine - and India will keep being regarded as the top strategic priority.

    What IP will do is to embolden Islamabad even more - with Pakistan finally becoming a key transit corridor for Iranian gas, apart from using gas for its own needs. If India finally decides against IPI, China is ready to step on board - and build an extension from IP, parallel to the Karakoram highway, towards Xinjiang.

    Either way, Pakistan wins - especially with increasing Chinese investment. Or with further Chinese military "aid". That's why the Pakistani army's "suspension" by Washington is not bound to rattle too many nerves in Islamabad.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MG13Df03.html

    Good Riddance to the AIDS!

    Posted 10 months ago on 12 Jul 2011 11:57 #
  8. افغان سرحد پر تعینات پاکستانی افواج کو واپس بلانے کی دھمکی
    پاکستان کے وزیردفاع احمد مختار نے انگریزی رونامے ”ہیرلڈ ٹربیون“ سے ایک خصوصی انٹرویو میں کہا ہے کہ امریکہ کی طرف سے امداد کی معطلی کے ردعمل میں پاکستان افغان سرحد پرقائم 1100 چوکیوں پر تعینات اپنے اہلکاروں کو واپس بلا لے گا۔

    اُنھوں نے کہا کہ معطل کی جانے والی 80کروڑ ڈالر امدادمیں سے 30 کروڑ ڈالر کی رقم خاص طور پر شورش زدہ علاقوں میں تعینات اہلکاروں پر خرچ ہو تی ہے۔ اخبار کے مطابق وزیر دفاع نے کہا کہ امریکہ کے اس اقدام سے خطے میں القاعدہ اور طالبان کے خلاف کوششوں کو بھی نقصان پہنچے گا۔

    احمد مختار نے کہا کہ پاکستان طویل عرصے تک اپنی فوجیں پہاڑوں یا سرحدی علاقے میں تعینات رکھنے کا متحمل نہیں ہو سکتا۔ ”آئندہ اقدام یہ ہوگا کہ حکومت یا مسلح افواج سرحدی علاقوں سے اپنے فوجی واپس بلا لیں گے۔“
    http://www.voanews.com/urdu/news/pakistan/pakistan-troops-us-12july11-125398408.html

    یہ رقم (امریکی امداد)دہشت گردی کے خلاف جنگ کے لیے نہیں ہے بلکہ یہ وہ پیسے ہیں جو ہم پہلے ہی خرچ کر چکے ہیں۔“

    CIA headquarter at shamsi air base is still operating, Shamsi air base is only few hundred kilometer away from Iranian borders since 2006 many suicide bomber blow up their self in Iranian mosques.Iranian blame CIA for terrorism in Iran.
    پاکستان کے قبائلی علاقے وزیرستان میں گزشتہ 24گھنٹے کے دوران مبینہ امریکی ڈرون سے داغے گئے میزائل حملوں میں کم ازکم 45مشتبہ شدت پسند ہلاک ہوگئے ہیں۔
    قبائلی علاقوں میں صحافیوں کو جانے کی اجازت نہیں ہے اس لیے یہاں ہونے والے ایسے واقعات کی آزاد ذرائع سے تصدیق ممکن نہیں ہے۔
    http://www.voanews.com/urdu/news/pakistan/pakistan-drone-12july11-125395923.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 12 Jul 2011 12:01 #
  9. Posted 10 months ago on 13 Jul 2011 6:35 #
  10. http://www.atimes.com

    Islamabad takes a shot at US drones
    By Amir Mir

    ISLAMABAD - Pakistan-United States military ties have touched their lowest ebb since the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on the US, mainly because of the endless American drone campaign in the tribal areas of Pakistan that has killed 2,587 people, including 58 high-value al-Qaeda and Taliban targets, in 256 strikes between June 2004 and June 2011.

    This standoff is set to affect the battle against Islamic militancy in the region in a big way.

    The spat sank to a new level on Sunday when White House chief of staff William Daley confirmed that the Barack Obama administration had held back on a payment of US$800 million - part of $2 billion in annual security aid to Pakistan - over

    Islamabad's decision to cut back in US military trainers and to restrict visas for US personnel.

    A Pakistan military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, responded on Monday that "we can conduct our operations without external support. The tribal operations won't be affected."

    Tensions were already running high following comments by the top military commander in the US, Admiral Mike Mullen, that Pakistan "sanctioned" the killing of Syed Saleem Shahzad, the Pakistani bureau chief of Asia Times Online whose tortured body was found on May 31. A Pakistan government spokesman dismissed the accusation as "extremely irresponsible".

    In the aftermath of the covert Abbottabad operation on May 2 by American SEALs that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, Pakistani military authorities, who earlier had been hand-in-glove with their American counterparts on the issue of drone attacks, asked the US military leadership to immediately stop the deadly campaign - "the core irritant" between the countries.

    The Americans simply rejected the Pakistani demand, saying the drone attacks were an integral part of the "war against terror" that seeks to defeat the Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked militants hiding in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) along the Afghan border in the northwest of Pakistan.

    In an indication of the changed mood, Pakistan's army chief, General Ashfaq Kiani, recently rejected US claims that there existed some private agreements between the two countries on drone hits and American intelligence activities in Pakistan.

    Pakistan's military leaders and intelligence establishment were buffeted and embarrassed by being kept in the dark for months as the US closed in on Bin Laden's bolt hole, and they came in for some stinging criticism.

    While the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) supposedly had no idea that the world's most wanted terrorist was living in a house next to Pakistan's best-guarded military academy, the army and air force were equally clueless about American stealth helicopters having already intruded into Abbottabad to conduct the 45-minute long "Operation Geronimo" to get Bin Laden.

    Pakistan's military leaders, who hold the real power over matters of national security, subsequently decided to stop sharing any further intelligence information with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as a protest against the unilateral Abbottabad raid.

    They demanded firm assurances by the US that it would not undertake any further unilateral military action on Pakistani soil, and they presented a list of conditions to their US counterparts with the message that their acceptance was a prerequisite for the continuation of anti-terrorism cooperation between Pakistan and the United States. One such condition was that the US must observe strict limits on the use of drone strikes and the number of American military and intelligence personnel in the country.

    In a recent meeting with the CIA's deputy director, Michael Morrell, ISI chief Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha is reported to have warned the US that Pakistan would be forced to respond if the US did not come up with a strategy to stop the drone strikes and reduce the number of American spies operating in Pakistan.

    These demands were taken as a reaction to US military and intelligence programs that had gone well beyond what the Pakistani authorities had agreed to with the Americans in the past. But the Americans made it clear that they would not stop the drone campaign in the tribal areas.

    In fact, the US intensified raids, carrying out 12 strikes in the tribal areas in June alone - the highest monthly total of the year. Between January 1 and June 30, the CIA-run predators carried out 42 attacks in the tribal areas, killing 358 people. The strikes were as follows: nine in January, three in February, seven in March, two in April, seven in May and 12 in June. The previous four months, from September to December 2010, averaged almost 16 strikes per month (21 in September, 16 in October, 14 in November and 12 strikes in December 2011).

    In the latest episode in the quarrel over the drone campaign, the decision-makers in general headquarters in Rawalpindi and at the Pentagon have locked horns over the use of an air base, Shamsi, in the province of Balochistan, which has been used in the past by the CIA to launch drone attacks in the tribal areas.

    Pakistan's Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar announced on June 29 that his government had asked the US to stop using Shamsi for the attacks and vacate the facility. Mukhtar told Reuters, "We have been talking to them [Americans] on the issue for some time. But after May 2, we told them again. When the American forces do not operate from the Shamsi base, no drone attacks will be carried out."

    The Americans were quick to rebuff the Pakistani demand. In less than 24 hours, a senior US official in Washington told Reuters that no US personnel had left Shamsi and there were no plans for them to do so. "The United States plans to keep using the Shamsi airstrip for non-lethal drone flights against militants near the Afghanistan border. The facility remains fully operational and supports American counter-terrorism operations in Pakistan," Reuters quoted the official as having said on July 6.

    The drone attacks are carried out by the CIA's Special Activities Division, which has made a series of attacks on targets in northwest Pakistan. These strikes have increased substantially under President Barack Obama, with the drones targeting top al-Qaeda leaders, its external operations network, and Afghan and Pakistani Taliban leaders and fighters hiding in the FATA areas. The Americans ramped up the number of drone strikes in July 2008, and have continued to regularly hit at targets inside Pakistan since then.

    In his book In the Line of Fire, published in September 2006, Pakistan's former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf, who was ruling the roost at that time, wrote:
    How could we allow the US blanket over-flight and landing rights without jeopardizing our strategic assets? I offered only a narrow flight corridor that was far from any sensitive Pakistani areas. Neither could we give the United States use of Pakistan's naval ports, air bases, and strategic locations on borders. We refused to give any naval ports or fighter aircraft bases to the United States. We allowed the US only two bases - Shamsi in Balochistan and Jacobabad in Sindh - and that too only for logistics and aircraft recovery. No attack could be launched from there. We gave no blanket permission [to the US] for anything.
    However, three years later, in an interview on December 4, 2010, Musharraf admitted that he had actually allowed the US to carry out drone surveillance inside Pakistan's territory.

    Musharraf said in the interview in London:
    We wanted intelligence; we wanted the US to locate targets. It was only a general kind of carpet agreement with the United States, and surveillance was allowed on a case-to-case basis. Once we located the targets, we would decide on the method of striking, either by helicopter gunship or some other way. But that was a decision which was left to us.

    Musharraf's critics say his attempt to minimize the blame by saying that his permission was restricted to "surveillance" and that too for the benefit of Pakistan forces sounds feeble given the fact that he did nothing when the drones started violating this "carpet agreement".

    Following Musharraf's departure as army chief in November 2007 (he stepped down from the presidency in August 2008) he was succeeded by Kiani. A cable sent by the then-US ambassador, Anne Patterson, on February 11, 2008, and made public by the Pakistani English newspaper Dawn, provided confirmation that the US drone strikes program within Pakistan had more than just tacit acceptance of the country's top military brass, despite public posturing to the contrary.

    During a meeting with US Central Command chief Admiral William J Fallon (on January 22, 2008), Kiani requested the Americans to provide "continuous Predator coverage of the conflict area in South Waziristan" where the army was conducting operations against militants.

    The American account of Kiani's request for "Predator coverage" does not make clear if mere air surveillance was being requested or missile-armed drones were being sought. Reaction to the request suggests the latter. According to the report of the meeting sent to Washington by Patterson, Fallon "regretted that he did not have the assets to support this request" but offered trained US Marines (known as joint terminal attack controllers - JTACs) to coordinate air strikes for Pakistan's infantry forces on ground. But Kiani "demurred" on the offer, pointing out that having American soldiers on the ground "would not be politically acceptable".

    In another meeting with Admiral Mullen on March 4, 2008, Kiani was reportedly asked for his help "in approving a third restricted operating zone for US aircraft over the FATA". The American request - detailed in a cable sent from the US Embassy in Islamabad on March 24, 2008 - clearly indicates that two "corridors" for US drones had already been approved.

    In yet another secret cable sent on October 9, 2009, and published recently by WikiLeaks, Patterson reports that the US military support to the Pakistan army's 11th Corps operations in South Waziristan would "be at the division level and would include a live downlink of unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) full motion video".

    In a cable dated February 19, 2009, Patterson sends talking points to Washington ahead of a week-long visit to the US by Kiani. Referring to drone strikes, she writes, "Kiani knows full well that the strikes have been precise (creating few civilian casualties) and targeted primarily at foreign fighters in the Waziristan region."

    But Kiani had the audacity to claim on May 21, 2011, while addressing the National Defense University, that there existed no agreement between Pakistan and the United States regarding drone attacks, and that they should be stopped immediately.

    Such contradictions surrounding drone attacks are not surprising as many in Pakistan are aware of the state's complicity in such strikes. WikiLeaks cables have already revealed how some Pakistani politicians told senior US officials that they would publicly make a noise about the drone attacks while in practice turning a blind eye.

    While the Pakistani military and intelligence establishments are afraid of a right-wing backlash by admitting to their complicity in the drone strikes, right-wing religious parties are continuing their protests against the strikes.

    On the other hand, the Americans are determined to go ahead with their drone campaign, saying over 2,000 al-Qaeda and Taliban militants are still present in the Pakistan tribal belt alone, from where they launch cross-border ambushes in Afghanistan. Therefore, the Obama administration seems justified in its drone campaign that has wiped out over four dozen high value al-Qaeda and Taliban targets inside Pakistan.

    The utility of drones in eliminating some of the most wanted terrorists was admitted recently by the officer in charge of Pakistani troops in North Waziristan, General Officer Commanding of 7-Division, Major General Ghayur Mehmood. Addressing a news conference in the Mirali area of North Waziristan on March 9, the two-star major general said:
    Myths and rumors about American predator strikes and the casualty figures are many, but it's a reality that many of those being killed in these strikes are hardcore elements, a sizeable number of them foreigners. Yes, there are a few civilian casualties in precision strikes, but a majority of those eliminated are al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked terrorists, including foreign elements. Between 2007 and 2011, 164 predator strikes had been carried out, killing over 964 terrorists. Of those killed, 793 were locals and 171 foreigners.
    It remains a fact that top Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda commanders like Nek Mohammad, Baitullah Mehsud, Qari Mohammad Zafar, Qari Hussain Mehsud, Mustafa Abu Yazid and several others have been killed US drones as the Pakistan army couldn't eliminate them despite carrying out operations in their mountainous strongholds.

    Amir Mir is a senior Pakistani journalist and the author of several books on the subject of militant Islam and terrorism, the latest being The Bhutto murder trail: From Waziristan to GHQ.

    (This is not a good article. Blatantly pro-US. Our Pepe Escobar is more pro-Pakistani than this Amir Mir. But it's been posted here to complete the picture simply.)

    Posted 10 months ago on 13 Jul 2011 8:15 #
  11. Just_one
    Member

    Absolute insanity - on the part of Pakistani establishment.

    How we have been duped is an epic tale to tell, and yet some here are praising the corrupt establishment for their supposedly brave stance.

    Here is the crux: Earlier, our military used to say that if America stops aid, they will stop operations in the tribal areas - which was a good thing, as it was a way out of this destructive war.

    Now, they are saying we can continue the operations even without aid!

    Which means America has succeeded in forcing our incompetent leadership (both political and army) in getting our army stuck up in the tribal areas, such that no longer Americans need to pump billions of $ to get our army to do what Americans want.

    This is called having yours handed to you.

    Yet the gullible people get fooled by this empty and useless bravado from their incompetent and coward military leadership. This is the problem with many of our people.

    The question is - what should be done? What should be done is that there should be an announcement of complete disengagement from the American war on terror and a ceasefire in the tribal areas combined with attempts to reach political settlement in those areas.

    Does our incompetent military leadership has the guts to do that? Or does it simply want to settle for another deal and set a higher price for its services?

    I bet they will never do the former. Generals can't run countries and foreign policies. Kayani and Pasha need to go home as they are on extension bought through the black law of NRO, brokered by none other than Americans themselves.

    Only a strong political government which should come as soon as possible can pull us out of this mess.

    Posted 10 months ago on 13 Jul 2011 8:42 #
  12. khanamer
    Member

    Most of people thinks or want to believe that Pakistan is the world power and it can make decisions against US, when US with the help of the rest of the world was ready to take us over... the same people lives in illusion when they think that Current Pakistan-US differences is because Pakistan has been tired of obeying US and now is looking forward to change it, It is obviously US who want to leave the region and they will do whatever it takes (including breaking relationship with Pakistan).. they have done it earlier and they are going to do it again and if they get chance, they will do it again...

    Now instead of crying on split milk, we must look forward to safe-guard Pakistani Interest, we don't want hostile govt in Kabul, nor does we want a repeat of what happened in 1st half of 90s... A Pakistan friendly govt in Kabul can ensure peace on our northern front... how to get that kind of govt... is another debate... but certainly criticizing only is not going to help...

    Posted 10 months ago on 13 Jul 2011 8:51 #
  13. Both the above posts make excellent, thought-provoking points. I'd like to put into words the following, though. Without going into polemics, whatever is happening today between Pakistan and US, I trace back to the Raymond Davis affair. There was a young girl's suicide to be avenged, her call for justice on her deathbed to be fulfilled. We failed her then, we are making up for it now.

    The rhetoric has changed, thank God, as a prelude to a change in mindset. For a slave to reclaim his or her free status is a long-drawn-out process. We are at that stage now in Pakistan. The rest is immaterial. Let us be free again and everything else will fall into place, including the matter of a sound government.

    BTW: West-worshippers, perhaps a look at this particular article which applies to ALL west countries might help you to grasp a few points which might have escaped your attention so far:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28549.htm

    Posted 10 months ago on 13 Jul 2011 9:37 #
  14. China pledges support for Pakistan in wake of US military aid cut - Wednesday, 13 July 2011 04:27

    BEIJING:
    China pledged its support for close ally Pakistan on Tuesday, after the United States announced it would suspend $800 million worth of security aid to Islamabad.

    “Pakistan is an important country in South Asia. The stability and development of Pakistan is closely connected with the peace and stability of South Asia,” foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei told reporters.

    “China has always provided assistance to Pakistan, helping it improve people’s livelihood and realise the sustainable development of its economy and society. China will continue to do so in the future.”

    US President Barack Obama’s chief of staff, William Daley, announced in a television interview on Sunday that the United States had decided to withhold almost a third of its annual $2.7 billion security assistance to Islamabad.

    The move has plunged relations between Islamabad and Washington — already rocky after US commandos killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May on Pakistani soil — to a new low.

    But it was welcomed by India, which has long accused Pakistan of providing shelter to militant groups and has pushed the global community — the United States in particular — to censure Islamabad.

    China, however, is one of Pakistan’s closest allies and is also its main arms supplier — a situation that India has also expressed concern about.

    http://pak1stanfirst.com/201107123609/pakistan/defence/china-pledges-support-for-pakistan-in-wake-of-us-military-aid-cut.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 14 Jul 2011 8:34 #
  15. jabalultariq
    Member

    our bureaucracy including military is throughly comiited to US,they have all been eduacted in US through US funded scholarships so they have a very soft corner for USA; secondly ,due to incompetence and bad governance we , like a heroin addict , have become dependant on aid , we cannot make any policy without thinking of how it can be funded without foreign aid............i cannot imagine why such a large tax base cannot support our army and economy...I guess I answered my self......the tax base is non-existant....and the corporate Pakistan which could provide most of the tax revenue is left to die.......other than treet blade factories and global cell phone giants making a hay day in Pakistan

    Posted 10 months ago on 14 Jul 2011 15:20 #
  16. aftab arif
    Member

    Spin masters from Washington to Brussels to Kabul are bound for many a sleepless night. World public opinion has been relentlessly shocked and awed by the chimera that the United States and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) are "winning" the AfPak combo war.

    Now for the facts on the ground. Immediately after the US government decided to "suspend" US$800 million in aid to the Pakistan army, Pakistan Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar told local Express TV channel, "If at all things become difficult, we will just get all our forces back" - hinting there would be no more troops from Islamabad fighting Pashtun-majority guerrillas in the tribal areas.

    Mukhtar couldn't have been more explicit; "If Americans refuse to give us money, then okay ... We cannot afford to keep the military out in the mountains for such a long period."

    This graphically shows, once again, the Pakistani army is - reluctantly - playing Washington's counter-terrorism/counter-insurgency game in the tribal areas. As much as Islamabad may fear Pashtun nationalism, the army knows it must proceed with extreme caution, otherwise it will face a mass tribal Pashtun rebellion that would put on the table the supreme taboo; the consolidation of Pashtunistan, breaking up Pakistan as we know it.

    The King of Kandahar
    I spent a long afternoon with Ahmad Wali in Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province in Pakistan, when the US was bombing the Taliban in the autumn of 2001 - weeks before he and his half-brother transitioned from "kebab sellers" (the word in the street) to political heavyweights.

    He was already a CIA asset - at the time the US was busy parachuting Hamid Karzai inside Afghanistan - and a major opium smuggler, not to mention tribal leader and a much more assertive personality than his half-brother.

    During the 2000s, he kept all these roles, as well as owning hotels, real estate and even a Toyota dealership, but most of all struggling to "contain" Kandahar, always heavily Talibanized, as commander of the Kandahar Strike Force, a hardcore, private paramilitary group that helps US Special Forces and the CIA in targeted assassinations of top Taliban commanders.

    He was the de facto governor, popularly known as "The King of Kandahar" - much more powerful than the governor and the toothless provincial council.

    The lesson Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras and secular Pashtuns are learning from his assassination is that the Karzai government is a sham (well, most Afghans already knew it) - incapable of protecting even the most powerful of the Karzais. As for the fiction that NATO is in the process of conquering Afghans' hearts and minds and making them fall in love with the central government in Kabul - you can try to spin that to a rock face in the Hindu Kush.

    So much for NATO "winning" in Afghanistan. As for the US "winning" in the Pakistani tribal areas, one just has to turn to what powerful chief of army staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kiani - a Pentagon darling - and head of the Inter-Services Intelligence Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, are thinking. Via their minions, they are saying they can get by without the "suspended" $800 million from Washington, or ask "all-weather friend" China for anything they need.

    According to Pentagon spokesman Colonel David Lapan, Islamabad can have the $800 million if its issues a lot more visas for, essentially, US spies, and reinstates widespread training of Pakistanis in counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency. Islamabad - already dealing with a US drone war over the tribal areas - is not interested.

    The "winner" in this case is really al-Qaeda, which has used the Pakistani Taliban in a confrontation against the Pakistani army in the tribal areas as a diversion tactic, while plotting to expand its caliphate-driven agenda towards Central Asia.

    But wait, wasn't the US "winning" against al-Qaeda? That's what General David Petraeus - now transitioning from top commander in Afghanistan to CIA chief - has been spinning; "There has been enormous damage done to al-Qaeda in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas ... and it does hold the prospect of really a strategic defeat" for al-Qaeda.

    Well, not really - unless you drone the tribal areas to death.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MG14Df02.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 10:01 #
  17. Very true aftab. Al qaida is a farce. A phantom created by the neocons and their allies to legalize presence in this part of the world (central Asia, Afghanistan and Pakistan) through UNO. UNO is a tool that legalizes such occupations of soverign nations. Political Asylum on offer by UK, USA and other european outfits should be seen as 'seeding' unrest in countries that oppose neocon supremacy; a dream to rule the whole world.
    We should collectively lobby against UNO that works but only against the Muslim nations.

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 10:30 #
  18. aftab arif
    Member

    Yes indeed, i wish for a lot of things but that propaganda machine which is the UN and a unequal and bias organisation in favour of the West primarily, can twist and bend any rule to declare muslims terrorists and cast aspersions on us in the form of resolutions, but no vocal humanity is shown for our brothers in Kashmir, Palestine.

    P.S. If i don't reply too any further posts, please accept my apologies because my internet connection for the last several days is intermittently working.

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 10:50 #
  19. Mirza Sahib, aftab, one of my dreams has long been a generalised boycott of the United Nations by the Muslim community as a whole. But we still remain west-worshippers, specially as regards their currency, so we just go along with anything they say, adopting it as our own position on any given matter. But the day will come, of that I am sure, when the first Muslim country will rise and say: enough is enough and walk out of that incredibly corrupt organisation.

    Mirza Sahib: I wholly back up the link you've established between the legalisation of occupying sovereign nations and taking in some of their nationals as "asylum seekers". Luckily for all of us, their economies are in tatters so the whole dastardly scheme of infiltration, militarily and through treacherous human resources, is slowly winding up.

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 16:41 #
  20. Just_one
    Member

    What cynicism.

    Giving asylum, aid during disasters, human rights organizations, UNO humanitarian projects, are all noble things of the west that should be appreciated.

    How many people would have died in the third world if the west did not introduce immunization programs?

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 18:44 #
  21. @Just One

    Are ppl of "East" or "Third World Country" not allowed at all to criticize or give opinion on anything US does just because they help us in disasters etc?

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 19:01 #
  22. aftab arif
    Member

    It would be hard to imagine a more self-defeating gesture than cutting a third of America’s aid to Pakistan, but that’s what the Obama administration appears to be doing. The reason: to punish Pakistan for expelling American military trainers, and to force the Pakistani Army to be more effective in fighting Islamic militants.

    One can understand America’s frustration. NATO soldiers are being killed by Taliban who can skip back over the border to rest up in Pakistan any time they want, often without Pakistan taking action against them. And when bomb factories are identified, Pakistanis warn the would-be bombers.

    The U.S. Congress is in no mood to authorize taxpayers’ dollars to such an unreliable ally, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the U.S. is not prepared to continue providing military aid at the current level “unless and until we see certain steps taken.”

    But America needs to consider what it really wants. Is punishment likely to convince Pakistan to subordinate its own interests to America’s? Will it promote a better relationship? Is cutting aid to the Pakistani military likely to make it more eager, or more able, to go after cross-border militants?

    The answer to all three questions is no. And it would be helpful to remember that Pakistan has taken more casualties in the fight against militants than has the United States.

    As in a marriage, it may be temporarily satisfying to punish your partner in a quarrel, but is it going to help sustain the relationship? And in this marriage, America needs Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs America.

    Much of America’s supplies to Afghanistan come through the port of Karachi and are trucked up through the mountain passes. It would be impossible to conduct U.S. military operations without Pakistan’s good will.

    American drone attacks in Pakistan have been vital to degrading Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Pakistan allows this violation of its territorial integrity even though it is extremely unpopular and has killed many innocent Pakistanis.

    The trouble with the U.S.-Pakistani relationship has always been that it’s transactional from America’s point of view rather than strategic, as Pakistan would wish it to be. America is always saying: We give you money, now do exactly as we say and do it right now. Pakistan, on the other hand, would like to see more understanding of its problems.

    Not that Pakistan is blameless in this downward spiral of relations with the United States. The impact of the Raymond Davis affair was very hard on Pakistan. Davis, a C.I.A. contractor, shot and killed two Pakistanis in the streets of Lahore and then stepped out of his car to photograph the corpses. Davis claimed it was a robbery, but it is more likely that the two dead Pakistani youths were following Davis on behalf of Pakistani intelligence to keep an eye on him.

    One can imagine the uproar if a Pakistani intelligence operative shot and killed two Americans in a U.S. city. But, nonetheless, it was short sighted of Pakistan to retaliate by expelling American military trainers because the Pakistanis are the first to admit their soldiers are not sufficiently trained in antiguerrilla warfare.

    That being said, the United States needs to be more understanding of Pakistan’s position. Pakistanis are a proud people, and the humiliation of the Osama bin Laden raid will long linger. Obviously Bin Laden had some Pakistani help, but there is no indication that his whereabouts were known at the senior level. Obviously there are Islamic sympathizers within the Pakistani establishment. But that is a problem that cutting aid will only make worse.

    The United States has to appreciate how deeply unpopular it is with the rank-and-file, both within the armed services and the population at large. Washington should not do more to humiliate those who support America in the Islamabad government and armed forces, making their position even more untenable.

    As for the those militants the Americans want Pakistan to attack, it is clear to everyone that the United States is leaving, and that there will be elements of Taliban in Afghanistan’s future. The Americans are trying to make a deal with the Taliban, why shouldn’t the Pakistanis? A friendly Afghanistan next door is a vital Pakistani interest. The United States needs to understand Pakistan’s desire to keep up relationships with some Taliban as a hedge against the future, just as the Americans are trying to establish relations with the Taliban in order to get out.

    For all its faults and contradictions the U.S.-Pakistan relationship is vital to the United States. Washington should not let its imperfections goad it to self-destructive, if self-satisfying, punishments that are unlikely to change Pakistan’s behavior.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/opinion/16iht-edgreenway16.html

    The **** has hit the fan, i only wish that the Pakistanis don't do a special and revert back to the position prior to the aid withdrawal.

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 21:03 #
  23. aftab, I did not like this article one little bit, patronising and oozing false sweetness and light. Just one question I'd have for the writer: US trainers in Pakistan and their necessity. The man claims that Pakistani soldiers no nothing about anti-guerrilla warfare, wishing us to believe that the US soldiers do. Whom are they kidding? Had they known anything about it, would they have been clobbered the way they've been by the Afghan Resistance?

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 21:41 #
  24. Pakistan requires US to end secret operations

    Jul 15, 2011 12:46 Moscow Time

    Islamabad insists that the US should end all secret operations on the territory of Pakistan, chief of Pakistan’s intelligence service said.

    Director-General of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Ashmad Shuja Pasha made a statement to this effect as he met with the CIA’s Acting Director Michael Morell in Washington.

    The relations between Pakistan and the US worsened after al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed by the US Navy Seals in Abbotabad on May 2nd in a special raid of which Pakistan knew nothing.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/15/53266225.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 15 Jul 2011 23:32 #
  25. aftab arif
    Member

    @ MG

    I agree we certainly don't need any counter insurgency training that is just a pure hoax, the role of these trainers is one of feeding our forces with anti-taliban propaganda.

    Posted 10 months ago on 16 Jul 2011 12:28 #
  26. aftab, I'm glad we always manage to end up seeing eye to eye on certain key matters. Like, for instance what you so rightly call "the counter insurgency training hoax".

    Posted 10 months ago on 16 Jul 2011 22:35 #
  27. Pakistan: Dollars, drones and development
    by Jalees Hazir
    Global Research, July 17, 2011
    The Nation (Pakistan)

    Last week, the United States of America threatened to hold back some $800 million it owes Pakistan in military aid. The move was aimed at pressurising Pakistan, or more specifically the defence and intelligence apparatus of the country, to unquestioningly execute plans and strategies prepared at the Pentagon and CIA and to start blindly obeying orders from Washington, DC.

    To add to the pressure and give more teeth to this openly belligerent no-holds-barred US policy, the IMF also decided to further delay the release of its billion-dollar no-good loan instalments. From Afghanistan, the US-led NATO allies continued to send regular gifts of drones that attack our tribal belt with missiles and kill innocent Pakistanis. Lately, they have made it convenient for militant hordes to attack our security check posts and villages in FATA. Surely, these are no ordinary problems between two allies but signs of open hostility. The question is: Is it possible to reconcile the differences between the two countries? And more importantly, are we ready to defend ourselves?

    Against the backdrop of this heightened bullying by the doomed superpower, the never-ending rounds of meetings between the defence and intelligence top brass of the two so-called allies intensified, and according to latest reports the two sides have decided to mend fences. Nothing official has been forthcoming about the agreements reached in the meetings if any. Even the information attributed to unnamed officials only talks about the points of disagreement. Yet, the impression created by these reports is that the two sides have managed to iron out some differences. As a proof of progress, the US would start releasing the funds that it had earlier threatened to withhold. In the absence of any authentic information regarding the rules of cooperation agreed upon in these meetings, it is difficult to say how long the precarious and superficial peace between the two sides would last. And given the essential divergence in the way the two sides would like to sort out the Afghanistan mess, it is not bound to last very long.

    Those arguing for a continuation of this roller-coaster relationship like to talk about the tensions between the two countries as if they were issues between a married couple. They say that the spouses will continue to bicker, but divorce is not a possibility. They say the two countries are indispensable to each other and, therefore, it is imperative that they find a way to reconcile their conflicting positions. The US needs Pakistan's cooperation to ensure a favourable end to the deathly game it has been playing in Afghanistan for a decade and Pakistan cannot be on the wrong side of the sole superpower that sponsors its civilian government and military operations with its dollars, they say. Actually, this is not a fair assessment of the relationship that was obviously not made in heaven. While the US is clearly dependent on Pakistan to fulfil its hegemonic designs in the region, notions about Pakistan's dependence on the global bully are exaggerated.

    When it becomes obvious that the continuation of a marriage would result in murder, a divorce is the only option.

    Posted 10 months ago on 18 Jul 2011 11:27 #
  28. aftab arif
    Member

    I am sorry to say no divorce is on the horizon

    Pakistan military high command, for all its sizzling rhetoric of scaling back military ties with the US, is nevertheless quite keen to stay engaged with Washington and is not ready to allow relations to go into freefall. From Washington’s decision-makers, the meetings carry the message that there is still some carrot left for Pakistan to nibble at, provided the country does not mind the accompanying stick.

    This phase of engagement by Pakistan’s military circles with the US is particularly remarkable considering the fact that in the weeks preceding these meetings Washington lost no opportunity to rub Pakistan’s security establishment’s nose in the dirt.

    The number of drone attacks surged since the attack on Kabul’s Intercontinental Hotel on June 28. The pounding of alleged safe havens in both the Waziristan agencies indicated that the US had decided that this facet of counterterrorism would be a constant in its interaction with Islamabad.

    In fact, a double attack in North and South Waziristan that killed over 50 people happened the day the ISI chief left for Washington. This was also the day when news reports on the corps commanders’ meeting quoted unnamed officials saying that the Pakistani military could counter terrorism on its own steam, without foreign assistance.

    This statement was in the context of President Barack Obama’s senior representatives saying that US military aid worth some $800m had been put on hold to manoeuvre greater compliance with Washington’s demands, the most important of which is to deliver Ayman Al Zawahiri, the new Al Qaeda chief, and other leaders of the outfit.

    Preceding the meetings in Islamabad, besides publicly arm-twisting Pakistan, Washington ran an aggressive image-assassination campaign against the Pakistan’s security establishment. Adm Mike Mullen accused the Pakistan government of sanctioning the murder of journalist Saleem Shahzad. Stories, that appeared to be leaked, in the New York Times and The Washington Post gave context to this remark. These reports said that the CIA had evidence of the involvement of high-ranking ISI officials in the murder. News plants also played up accusations that military heads had been bribed by North Korea years ago to give it nuclear enrichment technology.

    All in all, the run-up to last week’s meetings in Islamabad and Washington between the military and intelligence heads did not look promising. In fact, the bilateral environment appeared so hostile that the fact that the meetings were held at all looked quite an event.

    But then, there have always been two sides to Pakistan’s policy towards the US — private and public. These two realms have completely different tracks, with different moods, different tones and different attitudes. Far from the bravado that forms the centre of the military’s public diplomacy on matters pertaining to Washington, lies the privately acknowledged reality that the army’s doors, though slightly narrower than before, are still open to the US.

    This in itself is not a bad thing. Even the most powerful countries that are completely self-reliant avoid diplomatic rows.

    Pakistan should do the same — particularly in the realm of military matters — where its compulsions at this point are pressing.

    If engagement can defuse mounting tensions with Washington and puncture anti-Pakistan propaganda, then why not?

    However, the problem is that there is no indication that Washington is willing to give Pakistan any space in which to breathe easy. What transpired in these meetings is hidden in the usual miasma of secrecy that has been the hallmark of the Pakistan military’s previous engagements with the US. We do not know whether these meetings were terse or cordial, whether the US complained to Pakistan of non-cooperation or if Pakistan was on the demanding side of the table.

    Put differently, we do not know what terms of engagement are being negotiated, and how different these are from the ones on which the two sides agreed to build a strategic dialogue which collapsed after the Osama bin Laden episode. What, then, is the agenda of discussion between the two militaries?

    Nobody other than the generals knows. The civilian side, sloppy and self-absorbed in seedy politics, has no time to pay attention to the spectrum of national defence and foreign policy. No one is even asking questions about the context of these meetings and the direction in which they going to take the Pakistan-US dialogue.

    All that is visible is that Washington’s drubbing has not disturbed Pakistan’s security establishment enough to change its US-centric policy. They still stand toe-to-toe with America on matters of mutual interest.

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/18/matters-of-mutual-interest.html

    The Pakistanis have approved 87 visas for CIA officers working in the country, according to US and Pakistani officials.

    "That will bring the agency back toward normal operations in Pakistan, after what both sides say was a low point after the January arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis," the Washington Post said.

    The daily said joint-counter terrorism has resumed.

    "Under new rules of the road, the CIA — in theory, at least — will share with the Pakistanis more information about what its operatives are doing in the country. Sources say, for example, that joint CIA-ISI counter-terrorism operations have resumed."

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/CIA-to-resume-normal-operations-in-Pakistan-Report/Article1-722632.aspx

    Posted 10 months ago on 19 Jul 2011 20:40 #
  29. Thanks, aftab. Now that Shahid Masood is back, he might be able to shed some light on where the Pakistan army really stands as regards its US partnership. But he has already had occasion to point out that the virulent anti-army campaign in this country ongoing for the past two months or so has now begun to lose ground and we are now back to grumbling about the establishment under our breath instead of screaming out imprecations against its incompetence at the top of our voice.

    The arrival of 87 new CIA officers is not the best of news, but time will tell what the purpose of this agreement might turn out to be.

    Posted 10 months ago on 19 Jul 2011 23:41 #
  30. oneUp
    Member

    @MG Dr Shahid touched on the 87 visas issue in today's show. I hope he discusses the mysterious OBL episode as well. That's something we haven't been able to digest. To be honest nobody can say for sure what happened that night.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 1:56 #
  31. Oneup, I absolutely agree with you. The OBL affair was one of the most obscure events imaginable. Shahid Nama will surely bring it up at some point or the other. And now let's read the story below. Who says everything is hunky dory between the Pak forces and their US counterparts?

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:42 #
  32. US-Pakistan relations worsen with arrest of two alleged spiesWashington claims men were intelligence agents while Kashmiri lobby group allegedly 'channelled funding'

    Declan Walsh guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 19 July 2011

    US secretary of state Hillary Clinton attends the US-India strategic dialogue with Indian foreign minister SM Krishna in New Delhi.

    Relations between Washington and Islamabad deteriorated further when the US justice department charged two men alleged to have been in the pay of the Pakistani intelligence service.

    One was involved with the Kashmiri American Council, through which it is alleged Pakistan channelled millions of dollars to influence members of the US Congress. The US said there are also Kashmiri centres in London and Brussels that the FBI alleged are run by elements of the Pakistani government. FBI special agent Sarah Webb Linden, in an affidavit unsealed , named the one in London as the Justice Foundation/Kashmir Centre run by Nazir Ahmad Shawl.

    The FBI arrested the executive director of the Kashmiri American Council, Ghulam-Nabi Fai, aged 62, at his home in Fairfax, Virginia, later. The other, Zaheer Ahmad, 63, is believed to be in Pakistan. Both are US citizens and face a prison sentence of five years if convicted.

    Relations between the US and Pakistani intelligence have been increasingly strained this year after the arrest of a CIA operative, Raymond Davis, in Pakistan and the revelation that Osama bin Laden had been in hiding near Islamabad.

    Read more:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/19/us-pakistan-arrest-alleged-spies

    (This is US offering India, where Hilary Clinton is at present, a small bribe for loss of influence in Afghanistan?)

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:46 #
  33. ajhons
    Member

    MG Sir
    how's that. Obama sent Hilary to cool down india and Zardari to cool down Iran and Saudia.Zardari seems tobe more of US Foreign staffer then the president of Pakistan.Well we are the one bridge china-US relations now again we are hired to do the job.

    US lost trillions of dollers in Afghanistan and now on the verge of collapse and will take down Inda also with him.
    Poor India LoL

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:17 #
  34. Pak Truth
    Member

    Pakistan has taken a good stance to bounce back and forces Washington to step back on the issues od Aid.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:24 #
  35. Super, ajhons! No wonder I always gave you full marks for a bird's eye view of the world. I loved your way of describing Zardari's new duties and I do believe you're absolutely spot on. As you are when you end by saying LOL to India! LOL it is many times over.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:27 #
  36. india nahi girta itni aasani se.
    raha US imdad suspend hona.
    tou hawa ukkhar gaye ISI ki,
    Shujaa Pasha ko hazri deni pari US darbar mein.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:28 #
  37. ajhons
    Member

    Choosy Bhai
    I beg to differ.
    Is dafa Pakistani he nahi US ki bhi hawa ukhar gai hay warna kabahi bhi aid suspend nahi karta.
    Rahi India kay girnay ki baat tu yaqeenan itni asani say wu nahi geray ga magar aik bohat zordar jhatka zaroor lagay ga india ku, ju us ki bunyadun ku hila day ga aur phir shayeed us kay leyeah dobara sambhalna namumkim nahi tu mushkil zaroor hu ga.
    Its all depend how we play our cards, as pointed out MG

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:37 #
  38. ajhons
    Member

    MG Sir
    Thanks for your kind words.Its true that india will be the main looser. US will definitly not going to leave with facing saving measures and they will come out afghanistan potrying as going home after finishing job.But India never admitted their role and now how they will cope thier "withdrwal"

    Iran and saudi's role will be very important.They both, if sensibly device a post US strategy the India will definitly be a like rat caught in the hole who rest of his life strugling to come out.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:43 #
  39. @Ajhons bhai,
    kash kay wohh din aaye
    jab Bhurta US ka ban jaye
    aur India bhi gir jaye

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:54 #
  40. All our enemies gone with one blow, choosy? God willing, God willing. If we are not just daydreaming here and it all actually happens as our instinct tells us it must, we'll have much to be grateful for to the people of Iraq and the invincible Afghan Resistance.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 10:25 #
  41. he he he
    jab Afghanistan America ko nako chanay chabwa sakta hay tou hum kion nahi.
    aik din aaye ga.
    jab hum dekhien gaye.
    in saray baray Burj tot girein gaye.
    inshallah.

    aik student jab america mein degree leenay se mana kar sakta hay tou kiya hum nahi kar saktay apni izzat ki hifazat?

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 11:07 #
  42. This is a comment I picked up on a US blog:

    "US citizen arrested in Fairfax, Virginia for spying for Pakistan. Ghulam-Nabi Fai, director of Kashmiri American Council arrested for lobbying members of Congress. Arrest took place while Hillary Clinton was in India, which controls most of disputed Kashmir. Hey FBI, while your at it, would you like a list of Americans who lobby Congress for Israel in return for legislation? You can find it easily -- it's called the AIPAC membership list."

    Bearing this in mind and after having read Petraeus's latest comments on Pak-US relations, I'd say all this is simply what one likes to call a "Topi drama". Nothing more, nothing less. Hope Dr Shahid Masood understands this, too.

    Posted 10 months ago on 21 Jul 2011 11:02 #

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