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Iranian Irrationality? Maybe Not

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  1. Migel9
    Member

    The current hysteria about Iranian nuclear weapons has meaning, but the meaning is almost completely obscured by official propaganda. The best first step in the effort to sort through the propaganda is to consider which countries already have nuclear weapons. And the second step is to look at a map of Southwest Asia.

    There are eight nations in the world known to possess nuclear weapons. All of them are close to Iran, either literally close or close in the imperial sense. Five of them—China, France, Russia, England, and the United States—are officially a part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, or NPT, described as “the cornerstone of the global nonproliferation regime.” Three states—India, Israel, and Pakistan—also have nuclear weapons, although none have joined the NPT. Israel “does not admit to or deny having nuclear weapons,” according to the Arms Control Association, but everyone knows they have them. Maybe 200 or 300, no one seems to know for sure.

    Now look at, or picture, our map of Iran. Imagine being an Iranian, and looking around to see from which direction a threat to your nation—nuclear or otherwise—might come. What would you see?

    Immediately to the west of Iran is Iraq, effectively under U.S. control (this is the meaning of close in the imperial sense). U.S. covert activities aimed at destabilizing other countries are often based in U.S. embassies, and the U.S. has built “the biggest, most expensive embassy ever” in Iraq, according to the Christian Science Monitor. The New York Times reported on October 9th that “The Americans hope that by next spring, they will be operating from ... 6 supersize bases and 13 smaller ones” in Iraq.

    Immediately to the east of Iran are Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistan is a major, if erratic, U.S. ally, and has its own unregulated and unsupervised nuclear arsenal. Afghanistan, like Iraq to the east, is functioning as a staging area for U.S. imperial activities, even if it’s not totally under U.S. control. While the Obama administration officially debates what to do, “The CIA is deploying teams of spies, analysts and paramilitary operatives to Afghanistan, part of a broad intelligence ‘surge’ that will make the agency's station there among the largest in CIA history, U.S. officials say.” That’s according to the Los Angeles Times of September 20th.

    We see that “the largest embassy ever” lies immediately to the west of Iran, and one of the largest CIA stations in history lies immediately to the east. So the means are there to back up the repeated U.S. threats against Iran—the U.S. has said repeatedly that “no option is off the table,” the accepted code for a military threat. In addition, the Middle East’s only nuclear state, Israel, is not shy about threatening Iran. A fairly typical headline appeared recently on CBS News, reading “Israel Prodding U.S. To Attack Iran.” And the Associated Press reported on July 5th that “Vice President Joe Biden signaled that the Obama administration would not stand in the way if Israel chose to attack Iran's nuclear facilities.”

    Beyond the countries it is occupying, the U.S. maintains additional military facilities all around Iran. Not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in Turkey, another country that borders Iran. A number of U.S. military bases (half a dozen, perhaps) are maintained just across the Persian Gulf in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates—a distance of 100-200 miles from Iran. Again, refer to our map.

    I would be remiss if I did not mention in this context the massive U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia, which GlobalSecurity.org’s John Pike refers to as “the single most important military facility [that the U.S. has] got.” The base, used for secret detentions and torture as well as a launching pad for attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, is named “Camp Justice.” Iran is well within range of the U.S. bombers based at “Camp Justice.”

    The Upside-Down World

    In the world of Empire, illegal detentions and torture are transformed into Justice. But that’s not all that gets inverted in reporting on the maintenance of the U.S. Empire.

    On September 28th Iran announced that it had test-fired some missiles, saying that “Iranian missiles are able to target any place that threatens Iran.” The Associated Press report on this event bore the headline, “Iran Tests Advanced Missiles, Raising More Concern.” The “concern” arises in part, according to the AP, from the fact that “U.S. military bases in the Middle East” would now be “within striking distance” of Iranian missiles.

    In this Upside-Down World, defense thus becomes offense. Consider: The World’s Only Superpower maintains military bases around the world (more than 700 of them!), including in two countries that it is currently occupying. This Superpower possesses approximately 10,000 nuclear weapons, remains the only country that has ever actually used such weapons, and also happens to be the country that overthrew the democratically-elected government of Iran in 1953. The country that lies in between the two U.S.-occupied countries, and which is surrounded by U.S. military bases, is thought to be attempting to acquire the capacity to attack the bases of the Superpower that lie near its borders. Yet the global reach and bloody history of the Superpower in the region is not what “raises concern.” What “raises concern” is the possibility that the weaker state may be developing the capacity to defend itself. Iran has not launched an aggressive war in modern history, notes scholar Juan Cole.

    The pattern repeats itself in the media endlessly. As in a story that ran over the UPI wire service on July 25. The lead paragraph was accurate, saying “Iran would bomb Israel's nuclear facilities if Israel were to attack Iran, the head of the Revolutionary Guard said Saturday.” Sounds like self-defense, right? But here’s the headline: “Iranian General Threatens Israeli Nukes.”

    Iran is well aware of the fact that the most recent victim of U.S. military attack and occupation was Iraq, a weak state that seemed to have little capacity to defend itself, while North Korea, which has tested nuclear devices and has weapons-grade materials and has tested its own missiles, was left alone.

    Iran Irrational? Maybe Not

    Since 1979 Iran has been portrayed in this country as an enemy of the United States, and in recent months the news is filled with talk of the “Iranian threat.” But Iran was a big ally of the U.S. before 1979. According to University of Virginia professor emeritus R.K. Ramazani, “the United States itself actually relied primarily on Iran to perform the role of the ‘policeman’ for the Gulf region” until the Iranian revolution. So we can see that there is nothing inherently “anti-U.S.” about Iran.

    If Iran is now a threat to the U.S.—and everything the U.S. government does and says indicates that they consider Iran to be a threat—what is the nature of that threat? Is it really nuclear weapons? I think that’s unlikely, for a number of reasons. Here they are:

    Dr. Subhash Kapila, a scholar writing in a 2006 paper for the South Asia Analysis Group, states bluntly that “Iran with or without nuclear weapons can never match American military predominance.” This point is supported by everything I’ve been saying about U.S. military strength in the region.

    Kapila adds that “The main strategic impulse that formulates US threat perceptions arising from Iran is the emergence of ‘Iran as a regional power in the Gulf Region’ and its consequent effects on US national interests in the region.”

    Congressional foreign policy advisor Gregory Aftandilian stated in October of 2008 a point that is rarely heard in the U.S.: “Iran is not stupid enough to strike Israel…it has a long history, thousands of years, of statecraft…Tehran is not suicidal.”

    His point is reinforced by the words of John Negroponte, speaking before the Senate Intelligence Committee when he was the Director of National Intelligence back in 2006. He said that “Iranian conventional military power constitutes . . . a challenge to US interests. Iran is enhancing its ability to project its military power in order to threaten to disrupt the operations and reinforcement of US forces based in the region—potentially intimidating regional allies into withholding support for US policy toward Iran—and raising the costs of our regional presence for us and our allies.

    “Tehran also continues to support a number of terrorist groups, viewing this capability as a critical regime safeguard by deterring US and Israeli attacks, distracting and weakening Israel, and enhancing Iran’s regional influence through intimidation. Lebanese Hizballah is Iran’s main terrorist ally, which—although focused on its agenda in Lebanon and supporting anti-Israeli Palestinian terrorists—has a worldwide support network and is capable of attacks against US interests if it feels its Iranian patron is threatened.”

    Note that the “threat” posed by Iran takes two forms. One is the capacity to challenge “U.S. interests.” The other is the ability to “deter US and Israeli attacks.” That is, to defend itself.
    Still another reason that it’s unlikely that U.S. planners are worried about Iranian nukes is that Iranian leaders have spoken of a religious prohibition against nuclear weapons. A statement by the Iranian government to the International Atomic Energy Agency on August 10th 2005 stated this: “The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the Fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons.” Everything I’ve read indicates that Khamenei is the real power in Iran, despite the fact that President Ahmedinejad gets all the headlines in this country.

    It appears that the most rabid disseminators of fear of Iran base their propaganda, in part, on the alleged religious fanaticism of Iran’s leadership. Wouldn’t Khamenei’s fatwa seem convincing proof to such people that Iran is not a threat to use nuclear weapons?

    In summary:

    1. There is no evidence that Iran is actually aiming to produce nuclear weapons;

    2. If Iran were aiming to do so, it would not be evidence of irrationality, given the nature of the threats against that country (nuclear weapons themselves are evidence of irrationality, as I’ll discuss next week);

    3. If Iran were to actually go ahead and acquire nuclear weapons, the likelihood of them being used in an offensive way is almost zero.

    If one accepts the above points, then all the hysteria about Iran in this country must be motivated by something other than a supposed nuclear threat posed by Iran.

    The “game”—as the geo-strategists residing in the Empire would say—in the Middle East is to be the regional power, the country that, at best, shapes events in the region and, at minimum, has veto power over any actions by any states that might interfere with one’s designs. The U.S. wants itself—in partnership with its client state, Israel—to be the power. Iran has long thought of itself as the power. The potential of Iran to challenge the hegemony of the U.S/Israel team in the region is the real “threat” of Iran in the eyes of U.S. planners.

    The very bizarre world of the Middle East that most USAmericans see in the media is thus upside-down for a reason, and that reason is to conceal U.S. imperial designs in the region. It well serves the interests of U.S. planners to have the population believe that the “threat” posed by Iran is the result of unreasoning hatred and religious fanaticism. In the face of such an enemy, the only reasonable stance is to maintain a warlike posture, to be prepared to “pre-empt” the likely attack of the fanatics.

    The workings of the U.S. Propaganda system in regard to the volatile region that we call the Middle East thus works in our minds to create a perception of the world as a harsh and threatening place. And that’s the point, and that’s precisely why we have an Iranian Threat, and a Terrorist Threat, and why before that we had a Communist Threat. The cost of maintaining the U.S. Empire is high, and only a terrified population will agree to divert almost $700 billion for a single year’s military spending, as is the case this year. And that number, as high as it is, balloons to more than one trillion dollars if we include veteran’s benefits, military spending in the space program budgets, military grants to other countries, interest on debts incurred for previous wars, and so forth. The cost of Empire is high, and the level of fear needed to justify it must be high as well.

    Those of us living inside of the U.S. Empire need to be able to see things right-side-up, and to focus our attention on the things that are the biggest threats to our well-being. Iranian nuclear weapons should not be on that list.

    Jeff Nygaard

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 3:34 #
  2. very lengthy post.

    we agree that Iran is only muslim country having patriotic leadership and emrged as the only high ego independent people/nation.

    otherwise ,all other muslim countries are dead nationalities, corrupt leadership and puppets of West.

    GHERATMUND AUR KHUDE BULAND QOUM.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:48 #
  3. Sirf Pakistani
    Member

    Who told you that "Iran is only muslim country having patriotic leadership and emrged as the only high ego independent people/nation"

    we've seen what happened in presedential elections . Unfortunately all muslim countries are influence of dictatorship (fauji or iranian type)

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 7:45 #
  4. i am pakistani, muslim, pray 5 times a day regularly and not a shia.

    fact is fact.

    saudi arabia is a monarch haing one family kingdom say dictatorship based on wahabi sect of religion. No other school of thought is allowed to work in s.arabia except Wahabism.

    s.arabia has been funding deobandi/lashkare jhangvi type finatic groups in pakistan to kill shias. they consider shia as kafir.

    all the following important countries have either monachy or dictatorship and puppet of West , you can not ignore;

    s.arabia, UAE, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Indonesia, etc. All these governments are West/USA puppets, having dictorships or monarchies.

    Islamic system never supports family kingdom, monarchy or dictatorship.

    All the above mentioned countries adopt policies according to the dictation of uSA/West.

    All these countries have foreign bases and getting all type of aids/supports of USA/West.

    Iran has different policy and not taking dictation of USA/West.

    one should be true enough to appreciate the fact/truth.

    Truth is that Iran is independent country in all aspects.

    We should appreciate Iran as alive nation/country not like S.Arabia, pakistan and others puupets.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 8:28 #
  5. Adonis
    Member

    Being pro-western or anti-western is not good or bad per se for the government of a Muslim country. What is more important is that national policies should be reflective of the public opinion. This generally does not happen in a dictatorship.

    Iran was also a dictatorship till people ousted Shah. However, the populist Islamic revolution changed that. Now it is a semi-democracy. "Semi", because the "vilayat-i-faqeeh' theory has installed the positon of "Marjaa". Still, public opinion is reflected in most, though not all, of Iranian policies.

    Similarly, public opinion is reflected in policies of most other Muslim democracies like Turkey or Malaysia.

    Unfortunately, in Pakistan, our democracy is still nascent and constantly under threat. That is why our rulers tend to ignore people's wishes (and care more for military wishes) while formulating their policies because they know that if a general decides tomorrow to impose martial law, none of the people would come out in protest.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 12:01 #
  6. amin1924
    member

    Pakistan is different than most other Muslim 'nation states' carved up after sykes-picot secret agreement.

    What is unique about Pakistan is that there are many 'nations' who joined together on the Ideology of Islam in one region.

    Ideology was left to rot while dictators already in key positions took over and since then all are oppressed either under military dictator or pre-planned 'parchi' dictator.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 13:23 #
  7. Ghareeb
    Old-chechen

    "Truth is that Iran is independent country in all aspects."

    This is absurd. Iran is very much aligned to US and Israeli interests and has helped facilitate American occupation of Afghanistan. It is no secret. They also helped the US install a pro-US puppet Maliki in power in Iraq. They have been courting war criminal Putin in getting nuclear technology. They have turned their back on inhuman atrocities in Russia which is conducting genocide in Chechnya. Iranian leadership has embraced war criminal Putin, US puppet Karzai and others. They have supported Indian occupation of Kahsmir and are always cozying upto Indian leaders. They have dubious role and are puppets too.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:27 #
  8. amin1924
    member

    Of course without Iranian collaboration Iraq/afghanistan would never have been invaded.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:35 #
  9. Migel9
    Member

    Come on guys Ghreeb and JJ..The word collaboration=Pakistani criminal elite. Just look at Pakistanis leadership minus Qaid e Azam..COLLABORATION, AKA Brown goras treating pakistan like a prostitute to learn their masters language..

    Iranian leadership roots are in ther public, as for coward traitor puppet uneducated puppets roots are in USA EMBASSY,Fact and you guys know it.It is our neighour brotherly country we need to have great relationship period.

    Policy look at Pakistan,second most cia ops in the wworld after egypt..You cant defend our policies can you?Dallal have no ethics or moral ghareeb nawaz..

    REVALUTION=WILL SAVE PAKISTAN FROM INBRED VULTURES.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:47 #
  10. amin1924
    member

    Pakistani leadership may have collaborated by deceiving people, but you know feelings of Pakistan people.

    Where as in Iran they are enjoying piece of pie in Iraq and in Afghanistan. On the other hand people of Pakistan are suffering.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:52 #
  11. USA is doing every thing in their national interest not in Pakistan interest.

    Iran is doing in their national interest, o.k.

    What we are doing and in whom interst ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 15:21 #
  12. amin1924
    member

    personal self-interest!

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 15:35 #
  13. Migel9
    Member

    JEWSA is doing every thing in their national interest..First
    F USA..Muslims under the leadership of Pakistan will be bringing this fraud jew run Christian empire to its Criminal knees.

    Empire built on Beach sand will not survive, as ju and napak hindustanis can see..

    It is over for Satanic empire...Signs are there for brown goras to see..

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 18:17 #
  14. Anzal
    Member

    1) Iran, whoever their leader, their only objective is to control the Kaaba Shareef in S. Arabia.
    2) Iran is closer to Israel and US than any other muslim country.
    3) The nuclear programme is only a way for nations like S Arabia to be afraid of them and subsequently, the Arabian kingdom will allow the US armies to remain in their land for ‘their so-called security’- they are unable to see that the Americans are becoming more and more in S Arabia.
    4) Since Al-Quaida and Taleban’s reputation was increasing at an unbelievable extent since 9 11, they were getting more and more funds internationally. At this moment, the Shia (Iran) builds up Hezbollah in Lebanon to defeat the Israelis. Unfortunately, unknown to the world, Hezbollah is much closer to Israelis army and the 2006 war was only a film to increase their status and subsequently decreasing that of the Al-Quaida.
    5) In Iran, they have their own Al-Mahdi but as known by Sunnis, the Guided One will be from Madina - another evidence how deceitful the Iranians are!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Nov 2009 12:02 #
  15. Ghareeb
    Old-chechen

    What is the difference between these grave worshippers and Lahori Data durbar grave worshippers.

    Every Ayatollah will demand a "Taj Mahal" or is it just the ignorant followers? This is ridiculous when poor are dying and there is no water and electricity in most of Iraq.

    Iraqi Shiite Party Spends Millions On Mausoleum
    by Quil Lawrence

    November 12, 2009

    One of the largest Shiite religious parties is spending millions on an Iranian-style mausoleum to its fallen leaders. It's by far the biggest construction in the city of Najaf, but residents say they'd rather see the money spent on services. And there is one sign that construction has begun. Aside from the dozens of small hotels built for visiting pilgrims, the only tall crane on the skyline rises up from a sprawling brick compound west of the city center. Jawad al-Hakim(ph) is directing the construction of the shrine, mosque, guest house and college, all named for Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Nov 2009 15:13 #

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