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  1. Iraq War Deaths Exceed Vietnam War Numbers

    Department of Veterans Affairs Reports 73 Thousand U.S. Gulf War Deaths

    By Gary Vey for viewzone

    More Gulf War Veterans have died than Vietnam Veterans. This probably is news to you. But the truth has been hidden by a technicality. So here is the truth.

    The casualties in the Vietnam War were pretty simple to understand. If a soldier was dead from his combat tour, he was a war casualty. There are 58,195 names recorded on the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, DC.

    Some of these brave men died in the jungles of Vietnam while others died in Medivac units or hospitals in Japan and America. A dead soldier can surrender his life anywhere in his service to his country. It really doesn't matter where this happens. The location of a soldier's death in now way colors his sacrifice to his country.

    But something odd has happened with the Iraq War. The government, under the Bush administration, did something dishonest that resulted in a lie that's persisted since the war began -- and continues to this very day. They decided to report the war deaths in Iraq only if the soldier died with his boots on the ground in a combat situation.

    What's the difference, you might ask?

    The combat in Vietnam was in rural areas, far removed from medical treatment centers. Injured soldiers were treated by a Medic. Most died at the scene of the battle before they could be evacuated. Many died on route or were declared dead at the medical treatment facilities. The situation in Iraq is vastly different.

    Fighting in Iraq is mainly in urban areas. Soldiers who are injured are quickly evacuated with armored personnel carriers or helicopters. It's a much more efficient system than what was possible in Vietnam, but for those that are seriously injured it means that death is more likely to happen while they are in transit or at the treatment facility.

    Under the new reporting system, deaths that happen en route or post evacuation are not counted as combat deaths. This is why the number seems unusually low -- a little over four thousand as of 2009.

    The actual figures have been hidden from the American public just like the returning, flag draped coffins were censored from the press. But the figures are now available and we can only hope that the American people will be outraged when they learn how they have been misled.

    According to The Department of Veterans Affairs, as of May 2007, reports in the Gulf War Veterans Information System reveal these startling numbers:

    Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846
    * Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
    * Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999

    The stastics for non-lethal injuries are likewise staggering:

    Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874
    Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
    * Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
    * Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

    Percentage of combat troops that filed Disability Claims 36%

    I know you probably will think this is another conspiracy theory -- I did when I first heard about this -- so please read the original report for yourself. [Source: http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf Note: Sometimes this link is not active so we have posted the pdf file on viewzone 393 kb.]

    Read more: More Deaths and Mystery

    http://www.viewzone.com/wardeaths.html

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 7:11 #
  2. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Jinnah Saheb while addressing the cadets and officers of the air-force said," A country without a strong air-force is always at the mercy of an enemy".

    Saddam had surrendered all the possible effective weapons on the demands of the UN. At the time of attack, Iraq was a totally defenceless country.

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 7:24 #
  3. HF, you said it. Any country wishing to hold on to some kind of sovereignty must have a strong airforce and an army worth the name. In the case of Iraq, the engineered Iraq-Iran War, followed by Desert Storm and then 12-years of crippling sanctions saw to it that Iraq had nothing left in its hands militarily.

    All the more commendable, then, that the mighty Iraqi Resistance held out with such deteramination for so long. Who says Muslims are not among the best fighters in the world?

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 7:29 #
  4. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Iraqi people are no doubt gallant. Their gallantry is praiseworthy. However, the rulers should have sense of responsibility to keep their countries invincible.

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 7:49 #
  5. HF, I'm glad you recognised the gallantry of the people of Iraq. If I may, two more points here. One: arranged or by chance, I do not know, but between Iraq and Afghanistan we saw that kind of Muslim unity which we all only dream about as a rule. Iraq took the heat off Afghanistan, gave the Afghans time to organise themselves and when they were ready, they calmly repaid Iraq by shifting the brunt of west attacks onto themselves- Two: when the west casualty figures for Afghanistan finally reach the public, we'll see they did even greater damage to the invaders than Iraq managed to do.

    As for the Baath Party under Saddam, I think they did their level best to protect their people and country. But by then Iraq had simply grown too weak not to succumb to shock and awe as a disciplined force. Today, all we can say is they nonetheless managed to inflict damage on a large scale. I hope we'll never again hear things like how great the Vietnamese were and how awful the Arabs. They were both great. History will do full justice to both their fighting skills and patriotism.

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 8:26 #
  6. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    According to some analysts the media is not projecting the situation of Iraq rightly. Some reliable sources narrate that Saddam knew the limitations of his ill-equipped army. He knew that command & control system will also go off his hands after the fall of Baghdad. He worked out the solution to be a guerilla war. He divided his army into hundreds of small groups. They all were provided ample quantities of arms & ammunition with financial resources for their survival over a long period of time.

    When the Allied forces attacked Iraq, the Iraqi army did not pay much resistance as their plan and let the aggressors occupy Baghadad. The real fighting then erupted after the fall of Baghadad. There are witnesses who themselves saw even Saddam and his generals firing on the Allied forces from different points.

    Later, the Americans covered their setback by a propaganda against Al Qaeeda. They alleged Al Qaeeda being involved in the attacks over the American forces.

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 13:57 #
  7. Just_one
    Member

    What is this?:

    http://antiwar.com/casualties/

    Now the contest with the god damned communists, the Vietnamese?

    Their territory didn't fell in a month, with triumphant march of the occupying forces through the capital.

    Iraq war was a cruel joke later turned into a brutal sectarian conflict.

    There are not even remnants of Saddam, his bath party, the dictatorship anymore in Iraq.

    It is not justice to compare this with the long, hard struggle of the North Vietnam which kept its territory and reclaimed all Vietnam eventually.

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 14:06 #
  8. Mr Just One how do you think its fair to justify one of the greatest Human Rights Violations in Iraq by US and its Allies by sharing the number of American Military Casualities in Iraq?

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 16:32 #
  9. Even the Americans (a notable percentage) in America and in Europe have condemned this brutal act in Iraq and Afghanistan which shows their love for humanity,their propagation of the notion "equal rules,laws and rights for all sorta ppl to live in this world irrespective of their religion,race and place",their objectivity when speaking for muslims,nonmuslims,asian/arabs etc then what is wrong with our very own born muslims and asians that they dont find it appropriate to openly condemn such unfair wars and attacks on ppl their heritage their homeland their kids....

    Posted 10 months ago on 04 Jul 2011 16:41 #
  10. Just_one
    Member

    @RhyME,

    Who is justifying anything?

    Posted 10 months ago on 05 Jul 2011 8:37 #
  11. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    In case of Vietnam, China was very helpful to them. China's help and their own gallantry enabled them to give a tough time to the USA.

    Posted 10 months ago on 05 Jul 2011 9:27 #

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