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Is Musharraf in trouble?

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  1. paki_politik
    Member

    Recent political developments in the country give a kind of signal that things in Pakistan are becoming more and more serious for Musharraf. It all started when former Protocol Officer to Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto and member of the PPP Federal Council Chaudhary Muhammad Aslam, Advocate, has formally sought registration of a murder case against former President Pervez Musharraf and others for their alleged involvement in her assassination.

    This news appeared in the daily News on the day when the UN commission arrived in Pakistan to probe the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. This really was very disturbing news for Musharraf and all those who brokered the deal between Musharraf and the PPP.

    To counter this perception about him that he has nothing to do with the murder of Benazir Bhutto, Musharraf bought the air time on Aaj TV and very cleverly he chose ‘Bolta Pakistan’ for this purpose because he knew that when both Mushtaq Minhas and Nusrat Javed would say anything about him people would listen. And it did work. Almost entire show was discussed on a group of Britons of Pakistani origin which calls itself ‘Lovers of Musharraf’ wants to re-launch the general into Pakistani politics soon after the two-year post-retirement mandatory period comes to an end in September this year and is confident that his return would be even more triumphant than the one which was witnessed during Benazir Bhutto’s 1986 return home.

    I strongly believe Musharraf will never come back but the news of his return from ‘Lovers of Musharraf’ did create some anxiety in Zardari because Zardari had agreed under a deal that he or his party will not register any FIR against Musharraf. But in case if Musharraf decides to return Zardari or his government would be under tremendous pressure from the people and there would not be an easy escape for them this time around.

    The ideal situation for Musharraf would be to see serious differences between Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. But Zardari very cleverly makes his move and decides to meet Nawaz Sharif in Raiwand. The political analysts and media were of the view that both leaders would be discussing the issues like repeal of 17th amendment, energy crisis, war on terror etc but it wasn’t the case. This move of Zardari was to send a clear message to Musharraf.

    If we recall a very important event when Musharraf before his resignation had visited Karachi and there he talked against the PPP government. This visit cost him dearly. Zardari felt threatened and it ended up into resignation of Musharraf.

    I would like to state here that why Musharraf talked against the newly formed government despite of his apparently weak position. Though he never considered that he does not have the same power he used to enjoy as the COAS.

    The deal U.S. brokered between Musharraf and Benazir was that after the elections the prime minister would be from the PPP and Musharraf would remain the president. Although, Musharraf because of his dictatorial mindset had initially refused to share power with Benazir but Condi Rice played a major role in brokering the deal. Even after agreeing on the deal Musharraf wasn’t 100% ready to honor the deal. He had other plans on his mind. On December 27, 2007, world witnessed the implementation of his plan.

    Ever since the formation of the PPP government after the Feb 18 elections not a single PPP minister ever said any strong words against Musharraf. But sensing the current political developments and weakening political position of Zardari, Finance minister from Punjab cabinet, Tanvir Kaira held Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz responsible for every mess in the country and demanded his trial upon his return to Pakistan. Now even Chaudhries who were the most beneficiaries like the MQM since October 12, 1999 till Musharraf’s resignation are holding Musharraf responsible for Lal Masjid incident, Bugti’s murder etc.

    So, the message for Musharraf is very loud and clear that “DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT RETURNING BACK TO PAKISTAN”.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 8:42 #
  2. i hope ...that be true .
    but the matter of the fact is that
    in our country ....
    an army general ,no matter serving or retired ,never ever gets punishments and neither even some one can hold him accountable ....
    that's the biggest tragedy of this nation .
    and that's the biggest reason of our downfall.
    army is a holy cow .
    every general is a holy piece of ........(fill in the blank as i cant use a bad word ,my personal ethics wont allows me so.)

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 8:51 #
  3. msohail83
    Member

    Nothing will happen to him. Establishment will do anything to ensure he doesn't get prosecuted.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 9:08 #
  4. aristotle
    Member

    no armyman(higher ups) could be in trouble...

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 11:54 #
  5. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    His Lords are taking care of him, no one can harm him...

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 13:59 #
  6. Was Musharraf the only one who caused us so much misery we Pakistanis are subject to and going through never ending suffering? Honestly, why not grill the whole group that was the strength of Musharraf and surrounded him in thick and thin. However powerful one may be, this is still not a 'one man show'. Ask punishment for the whole group. In this way the leader and his group of mischief mongers would get what they truly deserve.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jul 2009 14:16 #
  7. sasherwani
    Members

    Just another tactic to switch the people's attention from the "real" issues like unemployment, inflation, gas crises, power crises, poverty, corruption etc etc etc etc!

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Jul 2009 6:22 #
  8. khayal
    Member

    More than Musharraf, its Pakistan which is in trouble. The government has decided to open new issues to divert people's attention from unfulfilled promises, failing to realize that this will open up more discourse among the citizens. To prosecute a dictator, who held elections and left the country in the hands of politicians, unlike President Ayub who handed it to the military, will only ensure that future military rulers stay till death like Zia ul Haq.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jul 2009 18:52 #
  9. Anonymous

    They are opening this issue because 2 years ban for Musharraf to enter in public politics is coming to an end very soon.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jul 2009 18:57 #
  10. First of all I agree that nothing will happen to Mussharaf. He will eventually end up with either a new political party or will High jack PMLQ.

    Mussharaf have damaged pakistan more then his positive steps but the media should ask for the trial of all Army Generals who raped this country by their weapon of mass destruction in the shape of "use of uniform"

    Ayub khan, Yayha khan, Zia, Mussharaf should all be tried and the dead should be sentenced according to their crimes. Also an Judicial investigation in Bhutto's trial, Lyaqat ali khan assasination, 1971 events, Meer Murtaza Bhutoo assasination, BB's assasination, Hakeem saeed and target killing in karachi and Baluchistan should all be investigated. Unless u resolve these old wounds, your nation will never move forward as we are the nation who cries at its past without worrying about our messed up future.

    Also, People who supported these Generals should also be disqualified as a minimum punishment.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 2:12 #
  11. Anonymous

    "Khan sahib said "People who supported these Generals should also be disqualified as a minimum punishment."

    I think that would be very difficult to do to determine who facilitated and who did not. Ch. Iftikhar took oath on PCO. Nawaz Sharif facilitated by signing maafi nama, MMA facilitate, Q-League facilitated, Imran Khan, MQM and ANP also facilitated at some point. So civilian leadership who indirectly should be kept out of this issue and only generals should be tried.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 2:41 #
  12. But why should we let civilians go if they are partner in crime. Just like... People (not the victim but the bystanders) who stay quite against an opressor are equally responsible!

    Why should we live with rotten politicians? |Can't we produce group of 40 / 50 people who can guide/lead this country? why should we try again those corrupt people anyway.

    I don't think that Nawaz, Zardari , altaf, Asfandyar or any of chaudhrys or any of Diseal maulana should be given another chance! But if you believe in accepting the lesser evil then IK and NS will be the natural choice but unfortunately the recent silence (since his re-formation of punjab govt) put him again into the classification of traitor yet once again...

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 2:52 #
  13. Anonymous

    KHAN_Sahib
    "But if you believe in accepting the lesser evil then IK and NS will be the natural choice "

    NS = nawaz sharif??

    r u crazy?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 2:59 #
  14. lol

    I know your love for lahore badshah! ;-) ha ha ha

    Sorry.. It was to pull ur leg.... My present list actually start and ends with IK but with every day, his silence and no practical step disappoints me from him too

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 3:34 #
  15. skyfacts
    Blocked

    Ye dono jahanon me zaleel ho ga........mind it..

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 5:17 #
  16. i hope that day will come sooner ,when we can actually witness a military dictator in trouble.

    and i also hope too ,that that day comes in our life times.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 6:25 #
  17. Anonymous

    KHAN_Sahib
    , aap pakray gaey. IJI kee aap lay dil mein chupee hoee mohabbat aaj zaahir hogaee. Kisi ne sach kaha hai, ishq aur mushk chupaey nahi chuptay.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 7:24 #
  18. aysey ishq say tou moat acchee
    jiss ishq say atee hay purvaz may kotahee

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 9:20 #
  19. msohail83
    Member

    Did anyone watch his interview with Mehreen Khan???

    What do you think about it?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 11:39 #
  20. Anonymous

    his = Nawaz Sharif?

    What is the name of the show and what date?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 15:10 #
  21. who is Mahreen Khan?
    Another brick in the wall?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 15:18 #
  22. msohail83
    Member

    She's the host of program "Debate with Mehreen Khan" on Aaj TV. She's interviewed Musharraf in London inside his newly owned FLAT!

    It was funny see to musharraf as 'bheegi billi'.

    He expects CJ and SC will do justice to him. lol

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jul 2009 15:33 #
  23. msohail83
    Member

  24. khayal
    Member

    I agree with Khan Sahib. The bastions of justise aka Geo and Justise Chaudrie should ask for a trial of all those who broke the law. How come General Chistie can roam around after killing Bhutto. How come no one bothered Ayub or Yahiya after they broke the country. Is it selective justice to settle old scores?

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jul 2009 0:06 #
  25. khayal
    Member

    Musharraf is the bone that Zardari has thrown to Sharif to get him off his back. Sharif was raising heat for an early elections. Now that Sharif has been freed from the courts to contest elections, he is smelling Islamabad. I think Sharif brothers have been courting Gilani, so that he stays as the Premier and help Sharif become the President. After all, thats the real seat of power. Zardari is running into some support issues within his own party. He has sensed all this, thats why he had to throw this bone to Sharif.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jul 2009 0:20 #
  26. Mehreen Khan is the FAVORITE HOSTESS of Mr.Dictator...
    u know ...she use to host a show for PTV in Musharraf era ...
    it was suppose to be an informal show at every Sunday night.
    and this lady ,with his London based education ,gora accent and expression less face ,use to ask scripted questions with Musharraf and than in audience ,made off so called civilians,like one Modern Mullah ,one Doctor ,one student use to ask again scripted and approved question to Musharraf .

    dono,why Aaj Tv has hired her as a hostess .
    she is only good for a dictator,who loves to see lovely faces .....
    otherwise ,good for nothing .

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jul 2009 4:31 #
  27. khayal
    Member

    can anyone tell me why the unlawful actions committed by Musharraf havent been reveresed yet. Shouldnt the wrong actions of Musharraf be corrected before prosecuting him for those actions. Why hasnt the Lal Masjid been handed over to its original owners. Likewise, the elections held by Musharraf after the Nov 3 action should be void. People asking for Musharraf's head are the ones enjoying his loot, but they arent willing to give it back to those who actually suffered.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jul 2009 21:44 #
  28. khayal
    Member

    this government hasnt fixed any issues that they promised they will fix. Even after two years in power they keep blaming the previous government for everything. What they are targeting are the few things that actually work. By disrupting the city government system, and replacing the elected Nazims with their hand picked cronies, they will do great unjustice to the people.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Jul 2009 3:19 #
  29. khayal
    Member

    Remember them, anyone? What happened to the puppies he sported in the first weeks in power? Given our sudden desire for punishing Musharraf, he could now also be accused of first using them to offend the faithful and then abandoning them to their fate as he made off to London. Animal rights activists of civil society, please step forward.

    The cacophony surrounding the demands to bring the former president-general to justice makes a spectacle of the way we do politics. Retribution, when it is a one-sided affair, is vendetta; and justice cannot be served by certain individuals in power bent on settling scores, albeit with a wrongdoer.

    It is a sorry commentary on our system that an independent judiciary should now appear to succumb to popular demands as opposed to the wishes of autocratic rulers in the past. In doing so the so-called ‘doctrine of necessity’ will still seem to be playing itself out, where the popular will can be seen as replacing the shackles put on the judiciary by autocratic rulers earlier on. It is well worth asking: what, then, has changed since the dawn of this new brave era of democracy, post-Musharraf?

    Public memory anywhere is short-lived. In Pakistan it is also steered by the shortsightedness of those who insist on erasing it from the record altogether. The transition to democracy is hardly a fait accompli as we speak. Democratic institutions weakened by Gen Musharraf’s tinkering with the constitution are far from being stable entities today. While anyone in their right mind must blame the general for the mess at hand, the judiciary should also show the moral courage to shoulder its part of the blame.

    The fact that it was the Supreme Court headed by the same honourable chief justice which gave Gen Musharraf the right to amend the constitution single-handedly in May 2000 cannot be overlooked. This was far more than what the then chief executive had expected to get from the apex court; he had just sought indemnity for the circumstances under which the Oct 12, 1999 coup took place. The general himself did not stage the coup from mid-air, aboard a PIA commercial flight which was not even in Pakistani airspace when the 111 Brigade struck to depose the prime minister.

    How could the same judge(s) now be prevailed upon by those wishing to settle vendetta against the general to indict and punish him for a deed, and all that followed it, for which he was only partially responsible? When the dust kicked up by Musharraf’s opponents settles, public sensibilities based on moral grounds can equally challenge the judiciary’s acquiescence in the whole sordid affair. Can the judiciary survive yet another fall from grace in the public eye that history books will ultimately assign it if it succumbs to the temptation of punishing someone who was also its tormentor?

    Speaking of tormentors and violators of the constitution, and of public trust, there have been many. Any attempt at retribution in the past has only remained just that. Remember the post-1971 Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report, which has only gathered dust all these years? No one, including Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s fiercest opponents, has had the courage to act on the facts ascertained in that document, and bring those held culpable to justice. Before that, the Liaquat Ali Khan murder and subsequently, the Zia plane crash still remain shrouded in mystery. What the very expensive UN commission on Benazir Bhutto’s murder will accomplish in real terms will be also there for all to see.

    In the 1990s — that brief interlude when democracy struggled to strike root — we also saw the then discredited policies pursued by the elected leaders who were readily manipulated by the civil-military establishment to their own disadvantage. In the process, besides using the judiciary to set up their rivals in courts of law, presidents and army chiefs were removed, the Supreme Court was attacked, a chief justice was humiliated and thrown out of office.

    Then, the removal of the last army chief proved a case of one too many; the army for the first time struck as an institution, and not as an instrument of its commander’s ambition to pack up a democratic order that had become more of a disorder. The tragedy is that Pakistan’s elected leaders have also acted like autocrats.

    While no military coups can ever be justified, especially when our ambitious generals have overstayed their welcome every time they overthrew a government in the past, the popular perception of politicians’ failings has also remained a sad constant. Democracy does not mean a free-for-all arrangement; it means first and foremost, living up to the people’s expectation, leading to good governance. It also means engagement and dialogue aimed at consensus-building among political and social stakeholders, which should lead to effective and transparent governance that is accountable to voters.

    Given our sudden zeal for retribution, and the sense of urgency that some are attaching to bringing the autocratic Gen Musharraf to justice, what an ailing polity like Pakistan really needs is a consensus-based truth and reconciliation commission if the demons of the past are to be exorcised. Such a commission must be representative of all political parties and opinions, including those of marginalised and consistently wronged sections of society. Among such groups, the poor, women, the religious minorities, the Baloch and the Ahmadi community readily come to mind.

    If the urge is so strong today to start with a clean slate, all old and new holy cows must be brought to the altar of justice which, when dispensed, must also be seen by all to have been done.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 3:29 #
  30. jiyepakistan
    Member

    Why only musharraf?
    Simple, because this is not about justice, its just about personal revenge and due to this the whole nation will suffer. Pakistan ka khuda he hafiz !

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 8:47 #
  31. @Shiekh sahib,
    we have to start from some where .
    late Ayub Khan and late Zia ul Haq were lucky ...
    why we let Mushrraf get away with his inhuman acts ?
    while he is very much alive?

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 10:33 #
  32. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    how do you plan to trap Musharraf then?

    when Supreme Court is not willing to do anything about it?

    dont you think things have been kind of downsliding for Pakistan, another fiasco would certainly not be in best interest of the country. wait for a couple of years, let Pakistan get back up from its fallen position, maybe then you could think of hanging Musharraf.

    I would love to see Musharraf in court by the way, exposing every single misdeed of some big players.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 11:36 #
  33. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    this thought that we are waiting to see a past dictator in trouble will not work.

    because it was certainly a hijacker that brought this dictator in power due the necessary "need of the hour". first lets see Nawaz in trouble for hijacking for which he has been exempted. the court in itself is extremely biased and a political tool so you should know what you are hoping for.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 11:39 #
  34. jiyepakistan
    Member

    I think not only dictators but all should be accountable for including politicans. As our politicans have caused greater damage to Pakistan. We should not choose and pick according to our personal agenda.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Jul 2009 13:53 #
  35. khayal
    Member

    supreme court said that Nawaz is not responsible for hijacking Musharrafs plane because, although he did order to close karachi airport, he physically didnt jijack the plane.

    now supreme court says that Dogar was an illegal CJ but the Presidential oath delivered by him is legal.

    This is a free and independant court.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Aug 2009 5:38 #
  36. khalid Ahmed
    Member

    I donot understand u people,why r u so againts of Mus.what did he do wrong for u,all the politision who are telling a lie all the time,u guys appritiate them what they have done with Pakistan within 1.5 year,why Mus. is wrong,bcz he gave oppertunity to everyone to express thier feelings in the way of priviate media,and now everybody says that he was a dictator(aamar)............at the moment,this goverment doing such a big big blunders with the people of Pakistan but nobody criticise them,if u ask one question to any politition that why load sheding is to much?all polititions will give u the ans that it is bcz of Musharaf,oh my God what he had done ......why excisting goverment is not paying bills to the priviate power generation companies.....and our people who donot know what is going on behind the parda...and what type of criteria of politition should be????just say some sentences againt Musharaf...........thanks for reading kdh

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 17:09 #
  37. moelash
    Member

    what good it will do to pakistan what about mr 10%

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 22:43 #
  38. Anonymous

    @khayal, well said!!

    "supreme court said that Nawaz is not responsible for hijacking Musharrafs plane because, although he did order to close karachi airport, he physically didnt jijack the plane.

    now supreme court says that Dogar was an illegal CJ but the Presidential oath delivered by him is legal.

    This is a free and independant court. "

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Aug 2009 22:49 #
  39. khayal
    Member

    Thanks bsobaid!

    It looks like the only thing free in Pakistan is the media and the lawyers. Infact, the lawyers are almost free of any boundaries. As far as the Supreme Court is concerned, it's trying to appease the people who got them their jobs back.

    In the best interest of the country, all the current Supremem court judges should resign and a parlimentary committee should pick new judges.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Aug 2009 14:31 #
  40. aristotle

    'no armyman(higher ups) could be in trouble... '

    Very well said. Its the truth of pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Aug 2009 14:42 #

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